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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ridenlow on June 17, 2004, 02:44:59 PM
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Yes this is a question for HTC are we ever going to see any new bombers in AH2? I am a bomber person myself and i have been waiting for a nbew bomber besides the crappy ar234, i mean come on we need something new and fun :)
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halifax,
he111
do217
and the big ugly russian thing
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(http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/images/frenchbomberbookreviewse_1.jpg)
:rofl
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What's funny Arlo ?
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It's not Jerry Lewis. You won't get it. :D
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Total meat in the MA, but I'd like to see the Betty next.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/g4mbetty.htm
-Sik
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Originally posted by Arlo
It's not Jerry Lewis. You won't get it. :D
:rofl
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Originally posted by Arlo
(http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/images/frenchbomberbookreviewse_1.jpg)
:rofl
MY EYES!!!
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BenDover,
Those are dang pretty compared to:
Farman 222:
(http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/wwii/france/f222-d.gif)
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Please... B-29.
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we need a bomber for the red star
the US dont need anymore big bombers!
the B29 would be the only one because it could be a useful perk bomber i like the jet bomber and i used very well hit targets and everthing but its hard to fly very hard to bomb with and i dont know anyone that is going to take that thing with only 3 bombs
betty would be good for the CT and SEA thats it
Helldiver would be nice tho
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Originally posted by simshell
betty would be good for the CT and SEA thats it
The CT, SEA and TOD are the only reasons for new aircraft models anyway. :D
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last time i looked there is 30 guys in the CT ever-night prime time and there is 400 to 500 in main so no the main comes first to the SEA and CT
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Faulty logic.
Last time I looked the players in the main use 6 types of fighters and 4 types of bombers (with a few exceptions .... probably players who fly both the CT and MA .... but they do use the goon and all the GVs). Also last time I looked in the main players could fly whatever ride made by whatever country for whatever chesspiece they adored.
The main doesn't need new models. The CT, SEA and TOD arenas do. You'll probably see more players go there then. ;)
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I cant really think of the b-29 being in ah2. Its just to big man just think of it taking off. The b-29 would take up the whole airfield. :eek:
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Ya but this is a ww2 flight sim is it not? then why cant we have it? ppl would have to fly it at there own risk, and even if they did perk it, i bet alot of ppl would fly it, i know i would fly it all the time:D
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WWII also had bi-planes. But there's not a single bi-plane modeled. How fair is that, huh? Not a SINGLE bi-plane! And the bi-planes were around much longer than your B-29! Much longer! And we don't have any! And they flew during WWII!:D
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There are no seaplanes at all in AH.
Italy had some medium bomber seaplanes during WWII
(http://www.aerei-italiani.net/Foto%20aerei/cantz516.jpg)
(CANT Z-516)
and most of all we had the best Italian medium bomber SM-79 Sparviero
(http://utenti.lycos.it/AEREOFAN/images2/SM79.1.jpg)
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Brady! You hear that? SM-79, Brady! SM-79! Hehehehe!
Yes!:aok
:D
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Originally posted by jetb123
...Its just to big man just think of it taking off. The b-29 would take up the whole airfield...
You're making me drool! Thanks for the nice visual!! But guys dont worry, i dont want a perked atom bomb or anything so nutty... I just want a B-29 - A Big bomber that had a great impact on history and would have a great impact in the game. No flight sim/game has ever modeled this plane as far as i know.
As far as Biplanes are concerned, they disappeared soon after the war began for the most part in the more advanced countries. The only biplane that had a significant impact that i can recall off the top of my head is the swordfish, and it was quite successful in sinking Italian Battleships at Taranto Harbor and unless I am mistaken (And God himself knows it has happened a FEW times) The swordfish was also used to attack the German battleship Bismarck Didn't The Hurricane and Wildcat start development as Biplanes?
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Some Italian units were flying them as late as 1943 (that would be 4 years out of a 6 year war if we accept 1939-1945 as the time period). The B-29 was not deployed in the European theater at all and it wasn't deployed against Japan until the last two months of 1944.
My point was if "being a WWII sim" is the prime qualification for including the B-29 .... that still puts it pretty low on the list. Even in regards to impact it's main claim to fame is firebombing Tokyo and dropping the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It's pretty much the period at the end of the sentence. We haven't got the sentence even half written. ;)
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How about a FW 200 Condor
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HE 111 and b-24 and Im happy even if my AH2 performance isnt that great
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Those are good suggestions Strat; the He111 would be important for this summer's Battle of Britain event, and the B-24 was a mainstay of the U.S. bomber fleet, used by both Army and Navy, in every theater I believe.
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Tu-2!
Oh, and the missing gun on the boston/a-20! (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58301)
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What about the Lancaster Mk 1 Special?
It sunk the Tirpitz!!!!!!!11111
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He111, G4M2, IL4, Pe2
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Yes, the Betty would have little use in the MA (but the 20mm defensive guns would be pretty funny). But with the impending arrival of the ToD, I suspect that plane development will be focused on fleshing out specific Planesets that can be used in that concept.
Certainly, planes that fullfill uses both in the ToD, and in the MA exist (the Ki-84 being a prime example). As it stands, I don't feel the B-29 would work in the ToD, as there isn't anything modeled that could intercept the thing.
I agree that one of the Tupolevs would be handy though.
-Sik
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Since this is a WW2 sim it should have the b-29. Maybe not the a-bomb, but it should still be included. when i installed ah2 i went to the hanger to see if there were any new bombers. NONE. i am a bomber person myself and i expected there to be atleast 1 new bomber. y not make it the b-29??
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Originally posted by ace25th
i am a bomber person myself and i expected there to be atleast 1 new bomber.
HTC was rather clear that there would be no new planes with the initial release of AHII.
-Sik
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that aint what i heard from pyro
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Oh realllllllllyyy, care to post some proof of it?
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As much as I'd like to see some new bombers for the CT/SEA we need the terrain editor to make the maps for the arenas first.
The He111 is needed but with it's weak defense and pitiful bomb load it's bound to be a disappointment.
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Yes your right the b29 has never been modeled in any other flight sim, and with the release of AH2, if they added a b-29 or a b24 that would step the game up dramaswtically.
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i heard a good quote that said the french build the worlds most beautiful women and the worlds ugliest bombers.
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Screw new AIRplanes. Since subs have been mentioned by HT to be in the future we need this:
KA-1
(http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/foto/kayaba_ka-1.gif)
-The Japanese government, after acquiring and testing a Kellett KD-1A autogyro in 1939, turned the aircraft over to the Kayaba Industrial Co, which subsequently built an inline-engined version of the aircraft as the Ka.1. This was powered by a 240hp Kobe engine (licence version of the German Argus As.10C); the first Ka.1 was flown on 26 May 1941 and eventually some two hundred and forty aircraft of this type were built. They were employed during World War 2 by the Imperial Japanese Army for artillery observation and cooperation duties, and by the Navy for coastal or carrier-based antisubmarine patrol carrying two 60kg bombs or depth charges. One Ka.1 was modified for trials with small auxiliary rockets at the tips of the rotor blades.
SLICER
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Originally posted by Arlo
WWII also had bi-planes. But there's not a single bi-plane modeled. How fair is that, huh? Not a SINGLE bi-plane! And the bi-planes were around much longer than your B-29! Much longer! And we don't have any! And they flew during WWII!:D
YEAH!!
I want a Glouster Glad, Swordfish, CR 32, CR42, and the Avia B-534!!!!
Gunns
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Originally posted by ace25th
that aint what i heard from pyro
What did you hear from me?
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All AH needs in terms of bombers is
G4m3
G3M3
He111
FW200 (troops and bombs)
Fighters
LaGG3
MiG3
Early Yak's
P39
Fw190A3
BF109G14
Bf109K4;)
Meteor
God forbid the ugly looking Whirlwind
Every japanese plane HTC can model.
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oooh yeah!
Gladiator!
Wouldn't that P.O the lala / spit / N1K drivers to get popped by a Gladiator.
Probably have to perk them though, otherwise everyone will be flying them. I know I would. The entertainment value would be priceless.
cheers,
RTR
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As it stands, I don't feel the B-29 would work in the ToD, as there isn't anything modeled that could intercept the thing.
-Sik [/B][/QUOTE]
as far as i know the TA152 was made to intercept it
and i feel it could in AH2 tho it still would be hard
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ta152 was made to incept high bombers coming into germany. germany didn't even know about the B29 only the japanese knew about it.
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Originally posted by simshell
As it stands, I don't feel the B-29 would work in the ToD, as there isn't anything modeled that could intercept the thing.
-Sik
as far as i know the TA152 was made to intercept it
and i feel it could in AH2 tho it still would be hard
I was talking about ToD, since the B-29 was not deployed to Europe, the Ta-152 wouldn't come into play.
-Sik
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(http://img.thefreedictionary.com/wiki/1/12/Beaufighter.cafsite.750pix.jpg)
The Whispering Death
Tronsky
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I just wonder, what kind of planes are needed for the TOD startup?
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Originally posted by Arlo
(http://misc.kitreview.com/bookreviews/images/frenchbomberbookreviewse_1.jpg)
:rofl
HAHAHA
what was they doing? Flying away?!?! ;)
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Originally posted by Xjazz
I just wonder, what kind of planes are needed for the TOD startup?
Well the first ToD scenario was going to be the 8th AAF taking on the LW...so besides a recon plane and proburly some odd ball luftwaffle planes we're all set.
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For those [censored] finding the pict of a French bomber plane so humourous you would better buy this book and learn.
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Does it tell you how the french bombers blinded the germans with ugliness?:p
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No but it does tell how big shold be the pair of bo*** of a French pilot to fly bomber missions.
Considering how the HQ made stupidity and badly prepared those missions.
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Screw the book, just send me some good cheese straffo, i am dying here. Saint-Nectaire is 16 euro for .25kg at http://www.fromages.com. Worse at my local cheese/wine shop. You wonder why we make fun of your bombers (snicker).. its cheese envy in my case.
I thought pyro mentioned something about making a new model just to see what they could do with the new graphics. Is that correct pyro? I cant remember which thread it was in.
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The CT is for pilots, the MA is for gamers...
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I agree completely. :aok
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88067&highlight=apdrone
There.. It gets back into the current rotation.. :)
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What we need are:
1. Dams built into the map
2. Lancaster Mk.1's
3. Bouncing bombs
Catch my drift?
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need? Thats pushing it the bounds of need.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Screw the book, just send me some good cheese straffo, i am dying here. Saint-Nectaire is 16 euro for .25kg at http://www.fromages.com. Worse at my local cheese/wine shop. You wonder why we make fun of your bombers (snicker).. its cheese envy in my case.
Ouch... that's the price for 800g of the finest here ! (half a saint nectaire)
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what about the Beaufort Bomber
(http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/museums/abbr.htm)
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what is this fixation on cheese ?
(Beaufort is one of the finest Savoie cheese if you didn't know :p)
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ah you must be a parmeson fan then
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Well if you really need something that stink more than combat gas get a "gris de Lille"...
It's also called "le puant" (le stink if you prefer)
the smell of the parmesan is pretty weak IMO :)
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Dammit, Straffo ... enough about French bombers. AHII don't need no steenkin' French bombers! I'm sorry I even brought it up in ... passing. :D
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naaahhh , you're just affraid of the hispano they usually had to defend their rear sector :)
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Did it pop out a larger white flag than usual? :D
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:rofl
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Originally posted by Arlo
Did it pop out a larger white flag than usual? :D
Yep and when dropped the flag will either
- stop the propeller by jamming it
or
- blind the pilot
in all cases it just kill another LW fighter.
Very clever no ?
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Originally posted by jetb123
I cant really think of the b-29 being in ah2. Its just to big man just think of it taking off. The b-29 would take up the whole airfield. :eek:
HiTech once answered my begging for a 29 on channel one with: "It would make a great perk bomber".
I see it coming to AH eventually.
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We need the B29!! mabey not in the MA but in some scenario mission.
You Cannot deny that this was the most important bomber in history!!
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[Cough]BS[/Cough]
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Originally posted by manticor
We need the B29!! mabey not in the MA but in some scenario mission.
You Cannot deny that this was the most important bomber in history!!
I'd argue that point.
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What Senerio could we possibly use the B-29 in at this point? The "watch helpless Ki-61s attempt a ram attack" scenario?
I'm not against the B-29 per se, there are just a lot of bombers I'd much rather have.
-Sik
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To paraphrase HiTech from last night:
He doesn't give a crap what the community wants.
So why ask?
Lets see what they produce...then criticize the hell out of them.:D
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I know, I know, double post.
I want the airmen to actually have rounds for their side arms when they land after a bail-out.
I can see it now...two HO-sukkas clash and bail. Land near each other and continue to duke it out with their side arms.
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Originally posted by Adogg
To paraphrase HiTech from last night:
He doesn't give a crap what the community wants.
So why ask?
That's quite a paraphrase. I think the more accurate version would be that he's not interested in wishlists when he's in the midst of tracking down a CTD bug and is specifically asking for information about them.
I missed my nephew's Little League championship game in which he was the starting pitcher because I was stuck at work. It was not because I didn't give a crap about seeing it and I certainly wouldn't like to see it characterized that way.
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Not all of us feel that way nor do we pay attention to others that seem to, P. Hope ya get to go to more games in the future and that the workload slacks (don't fret the small stuff).
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You have to admit, adding a perked B-29 with the A-bomb would be fun, although I do agree it would be a little too much, since you would have to set the perk so high or else you would have guys who have racked up tons of bomber perks just going and nuking the whole map... But still I think it would be interesting.
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Adogg: Your pharaprasing needs lots of work, because that is not even close to what was communicated.
My Line was.
I realy do not give a crap about what the community "DEMANDS".
Of course this was in response to some user stating somthing like
UserX:HiTech, The community demands an F16, (realy do not rember what what demand was)
If you do not belive I listen, implement,try to please,work my but off for what the community wants, (btw that is not the same as what they they ask for) then you havn't been around long enough, or look threw some realy foggy glasses to see how things are.
But also understand I do not point blank implement what is asked for, It must always in my judgment add to what AH is, and not detract from it.
HiTech
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If someone has to communicate a serious whishlist or demand what goes inline with the game, i'm quiet sure that HT and his team would at least think about this demand and maybe consider it as a future option.
But when someones asks a F-16 or M1 Abrams in here, i would give a crap as well on this comments. Those guys simply haven't got the point of the game.
Sorry for my way to answer. But such comments turn this board into a cheap chatroom and heat up usless discussions.
airmess
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Well said airmess :aok