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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 12:23:16 AM
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AH2 i hear has so many errors why can't it still be in the Beta phase???
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Where you perfect when you came out of your mother?
Didnt think so.
She sat up late every night coaxing you along your tender age.
Right now Ah2 is a helluva lot better than it was when it was first introduced as Beta. If you only knew how many fixes and bugs where taken care of maybe you'd realize and more so understand just why we are calling this AH2 2.0 and NOT AH2 Beta 1.9987752342345.
What should we do? Push it back in the womb and hope it comes out better next time?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by jay1988
AH2 i hear has so many errors why can't it still be in the Beta phase???
i hear that those who hear somthing and take it as fact without having any experience or insight into what they are hearing are mearly trying to reinforce their own dillusions or opinions upon which they have already made decisions about and are grasping for evidence to reinforce their unsubstantiated beliefs that in essense have no substance whatsoever.
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You have so many spelling errors, why can't we push you back into beta?
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Originally posted by Estes
You have so many spelling errors, why can't we push you back into beta?
Estes, you're now in my book of priceless wizecrackers.
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Originally posted by Citabria
i hear that those who hear somthing and take it as fact without having any experience or insight into what they are hearing are mearly trying to reinforce their own dillusions or opinions upon which they have already made decisions about and are grasping for evidence to reinforce their unsubstantiated beliefs that in essense have no substance whatsoever.
Did you write that all in one breath? :lol
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Where was everybody when it was in beta?
Why do they log on just now and then start complaining how they can't run it?
Curious, just curious.
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Originally posted by jay1988
AH2 i hear has so many errors why can't it still be in the Beta phase???
I hear that there are some people who are bad mouthing AH2 in the hopes that other people will feel the same way and somehow "force" HTC to turn AH1 back on so they can play until their new computer for AH2 is ready.
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LOL, but how can i say something bad about AH2 if i never played it???
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Originally posted by jay1988
LOL, but how can i say something bad about AH2 if i never played it???
If ya ain't cooking or tasting - stay outta the kitchen!
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I thoght this was a message board to ask questions??
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Morpheus,
wrong metaphor.
Were you put straight to work to make money when you came out of yor mother's womb? Or were you first raised and educated?
Surely AH2 needs to be made better, but maybe it was a bit too early to get rid of AH1.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Morpheus,
wrong metaphor.
Were you put straight to work to make money when you came out of yor mother's womb? Or were you first raised and educated?
Surely AH2 needs to be made better, but maybe it was a bit too early to get rid of AH1.
Agreed:aok
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Nicely said Blauk
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Originally posted by jay1988
AH2 i hear has so many errors why can't it still be in the Beta phase???
Heh, you've heard? Have you actually flown in AHII?
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This thread is based on assumption only. There is no material so to speak to back it up. Try to play it before ya even hint to put it back in the beta phase.
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I hear that there are some people who are bad mouthing AH2 in the hopes that other people will feel the same way and somehow "force" HTC to turn AH1 back on so they can play until their new computer for AH2 is ready.
Ugraded CPU, mobo, ram, vid card in anticipation of AHII.
Played AHII, hated it, deleted account. dunno about "some" people, but I'm not one of them.
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Anyone who has worked in IT delivering software to users who number in their thousands will understand that no amount of beta testing meets the acid test - which is when the thing goes LIVE. Sure, there might be hiccups to begin with, people will have to change settings etc. When the dust settles, we can expect 2.01 within about a month, maybe sooner.
Relax, guys. Be patient.
And HTC.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Relax, guys. Be patient.
It almost sounds as if you think you're typing to rational adults. If you do, you're mistaken. ;)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Anyone who has worked in IT delivering software to users who number in their thousands will understand that no amount of beta testing meets the acid test - which is when the thing goes LIVE. Sure, there might be hiccups to begin with, people will have to change settings etc. When the dust settles, we can expect 2.01 within about a month, maybe sooner.
Relax, guys. Be patient.
And HTC.
Well I hope I am doing the right thing spending 700 dolars for 1 game( my mom thinks i am crazy ) so it better be worth it, Or hitech needs to let me play for free.
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Originally posted by jetb123
Well I hope I am doing the right thing spending 700 dolars for 1 game( my mom thinks i am crazy ) so it better be worth it, Or hitech needs to let me play for free.
Tell your mom that she isn't alone in that assessment.
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Originally posted by Mathman
Tell your mom that she isn't alone in that assessment.
Well I really dont care what you think of me.:aok
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Originally posted by SOB
It almost sounds as if you think you're typing to rational adults. If you do, you're mistaken. ;)
on the "rational" count or the "adult" count?
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Originally posted by jetb123
Well I really dont care what you think of me.:aok
True, but maybe your mom does? If not, then don't worry about it. Part of posting here is getting cracked on. You should know this by now.
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When AH came out it was no way near perfect. I remember problems with it. A lot of people who just started play AH never experinced the bugs it had. I mean how long would you expect it to be in beta? AH was really behind in the current time it was a time for a change. AH2 has come a long way, its playable. Most of the bugs now dosen't effect game play. And thats why it isn't a beta no more. Also the wait was killing everyone.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
on the "rational" count or the "adult" count?
Take your pick of either, or if you're feeling saucy, pick both!
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Originally posted by jetb123
Well I hope I am doing the right thing spending 700 dolars for 1 game( my mom thinks i am crazy ) so it better be worth it, Or hitech needs to let me play for free.
Well, one could argue that purchasing a new computer would allow a person to increase their awareness of the the rest of the world, utilise the machine to improve scholastically and interact with others from different cultures through the internet.....
Or you could say "I wanna fly cartoon airplanes and pretend I'm a fighter pilot!!!!"
Attempt both of these arguments with the parent in question and let us know which bears fruit.
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Originally posted by Citabria
i hear that those who hear somthing and take it as fact without having any experience or insight into what they are hearing are mearly trying to reinforce their own dillusions or opinions upon which they have already made decisions about and are grasping for evidence to reinforce their unsubstantiated beliefs that in essense have no substance whatsoever.
Give ya' 5 bucks if you can say that sentence in one breath.
-WMLute III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Well, one could argue that purchasing a new computer would allow a person to increase their awareness of the the rest of the world, utilise the machine to improve scholastically and interact with others from different cultures through the internet.....
Or you could say "I wanna fly cartoon airplanes and pretend I'm a fighter pilot!!!!"
Attempt both of these arguments with the parent in question and let us know which bears fruit.
roflmao!! Good one!
AH2 i hear has so many errors why can't it still be in the Beta phase???
This strikes me as a poorly disquised attempt to get HT to reverse the decision to kill AH for AH2 so you can still play. Sorry to burst your lil bubble and this is something you need to learn: in the real world companys and technologies dont grind to a halt to "wait" on a few. It just doesn't happen. So go mow some lawns or whatever, get yourself a puter and join us. If you need help we are here.
Just dont attempt to stand in the way of progress...you'll get runover!
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Maybe one way to figure out when the beta is ready could be to compare how many people are playing in free open beta of AH2 and how many are still at AH1 arena.
The few times I logged on to either of these during past week, there were always more players in AH1..... I really wonder why?
I dont know really, but would it not be a better moment for a switch when there are more players in AH2 than in AH1?
... just wondering...
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the good thing about making it AH2 now is, it forces more people to play it.....= more bug finding...hopefully
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Knew the whines and threats were on the way.
Many of us have been posting....suggesting that you get to AHII
to check it out. Some of us posted also about the comments and
whines we are reading today, up to two months ago.
Your own fault....should have sampled beforehand. Everyone
had ample opportunity to try AHII....and also had the opportunity
to offer input.
The whines are coming from those who neglected the obvious.
AHI was going by the wayside....and a slightly changed FM and
Gunnery model was on the way. If you've offered no input while
in Beta...your fault.
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Originally posted by jay1988
Agreed:aok
How can you even comment on it if you have never played it as stated in one of your above posts?
Frikkin newbies....this is the way HTC does things. You will usually have a patch every other day or so correcting errors as they are discovered after a new release. Maybe if more folks spent more time testing the product in beta there wouldnt be a lot of errors to correct.
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Originally posted by sling322
How can you even comment on it if you have never played it as stated in one of your above posts?
Frikkin newbies....this is the way HTC does things. You will usually have a patch every other day or so correcting errors as they are discovered after a new release. Maybe if more folks spent more time testing the product in beta there wouldnt be a lot of errors to correct.
Is it me or is there alot of guys that have been really snappy theses pass days?
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Well isn't it? I mean every single program I have ever installed on my Computers overtime were always having some type of bug pop up, from Winblows to Netscape to IE, to Paintshoppro, photoshop you name it these software/program companys are always building on making their product better and from the begining to the end you will always have an upgrade patch until the program is pushed aside. ( this holds true for all them other online flighyt sims too, AW, WB, FA, TR/TK, wwiionline, etc.....) the more some of you younger greenhorns play games and become aware of how they work then you will realize this.
Even cd games you buy in stores have bugs, so really there isn't anything to fuss about. Just do your part and help the AH community if you find something fishy/buggy report it. ;)
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well said.
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My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done. Infact it wouldn't suprise me if there are less bugs in AH2 than AH1. After aprox 16 months with out a release , most people do not know that AHI's last release had 4 patches to fix bugs, Then somthing like the TBM issue in AHI was not even know about until almost a year after release.
And I would realy like to thank all the beta tester for giving us the feed back we needed to make AH2 2.00 .
Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.
HiTEch
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Originally posted by jay1988
Agreed:aok
How can you agree if you haven't played it?
There are a number of changes that have skinned the frogs of a few players, the two things that I hear most complained about are actually features, and not bugs.
1.) No Channel 1. Most people cool out about this when they are pointed to Channel 200.
2). The new fuelburn model. Each time I log on, I happily explain the use of the +/- keys to adjust RPMs (I mapped it to a rotary on my throttle) to lean out their fuel consumption, and explain that climbout doesn't generally reduce flight time (since the higher you go the less fuel you're burning). Some people take the advice and are a bit happier, others are still pissed that they cant run balls to the wall for an hour. I've had one guy complaining that A: rpms had no effect on fuel consumption, and B: He has to take too much gas in a Pony. (As a Yak guy, the second part acutally made me laugh until I cried).
The new Range counters torque some people.
But the funny thing is, this has all been gone over to death in the Beta forum, and while there is never a 100% agreement, I think we have a consensus that once you get used to the changes, AHII is a better game.
Right Clicking the map has a lot of utility too.
-Sik
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I played some in beta,and played a little last night.
The range thingy I adapted to in about,oh,30 seconds.The gunnery?Just shoot a bit closer,and give'em a little more lead on deflection shots.
Other than that,it didn't "feel" any different to me at all.
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I been playing Ah2 beta since it came out, it has come a long way and is very indeed playable. It is very different then AH1, but also it is very much improved then AH1. IMO, most of the ones that cant play are usually the ones that whine about every little thing and cluttered up Ch1 with whines.
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Were you put straight to work to make money when you came out of yor mother's womb? Or were you first raised and educated?
IMO HTC did just that. At this point questioning Hitech on why he brought out AH2 2.0 would be questioning his judgment to run his company. And thats something I dont really think any of you have the right to do.
And to question AH2 with out EVER playing. Only one simple word comes to mind. Childish. But again I must remember who Im responding too here and who started this thread.
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Originally posted by hitech
My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done. HiTEch
Yah...was gratified to see that there wasn't a patch to d/l last night. Most releases have had at least one patch within the first 6 ours of release. Well done HT :).
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Funnily enough after playing AH2 for last 6-8 weeks here are my opinions -
1) Its playable.
2) Lot better than previous releases.
3) Still bugs (including ones that have been around for some time now)
4) RE 3: HiTech is getting around to fixing them.
5) Fuel burn really kills short legged fighters like Spits. ( I know take a drop, but this affects climb rate).
6) Funny watching newbies to AH2 complaining they can't hit anything. Even old AH1 pros! Our squad has been on AH2 last 8 weeks getting acclimatized.
7) Think maybe some more time in Beta was required but not my call.
Overall I think it's better, the option of different skins is a good idea (now if only they could sort out the actaul skin problems!).
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Originally posted by hitech
My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done. Infact it wouldn't suprise me if there are less bugs in AH2 than AH1. After aprox 16 months with out a release , most people do not know that AHI's last release had 4 patches to fix bugs, Then somthing like the TBM issue in AHI was not even know about until almost a year after release.
And I would realy like to thank all the beta tester for giving us the feed back we needed to make AH2 2.00 .
Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.
HiTEch
Fun cool stuff??? hehehe can hardly wait!!! WTG on AH2 BTW :cool:
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Originally posted by Citabria
i hear that those who hear somthing and take it as fact without having any experience or insight into what they are hearing are mearly trying to reinforce their own dillusions or opinions upon which they have already made decisions about and are grasping for evidence to reinforce their unsubstantiated beliefs that in essense have no substance whatsoever.
Oh yeah...sig material! :D
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Kweassa, Hajo, very well said both of you! Couldn't agree more!
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umm maybe because they couldnt run it in beta either??? Personally, ive known since the 1st beta i wasnt gonna be around for ah2...
Now in your case, I'd say that really is unfortunate. By some twisted fate your machine specs may have been so crappy that it cannot handle AH2.
However, I'm not exactly running a state-of-the-art machine here also. It's basically one~two years behind the latest 'tech curve' in PC specs suitable for games of nowadays - I haven't had an upgrade in machinery for 3 years, and it still handles AH2 just as it handled AH1. So, if my machine spec is behind the tech curve by 2~3 years, geez, it's definately time to get a new machine, don't you think?
However, most of the 'complaints' here TW, basically has nothing to do with actual bugs, or running the system - none of them has any basis so far in my opinion.
They all confuse a matter of taste with matter of playability. They also confuse their own personal dislikes, with inherent game faults.
Don't do that folks. It makes people laugh. We've had months to adapt and prepare with the beta, what it will offer, how things will change and evolve. What kind of technical problems one may face, what kind of specs he might need and etc etc etc... it's all been discussed among us.
Basically the long run of more than 30 beta versions have clearly hinted on us on what we could expect and what we should prepare. It's what we've been discussing in the Beta Forums all along.
And, in the Day1 of AH2, people log in, play for 30 minutes, and start crapping on how he don't like icons, how the FMs strange, how the clipboard is porked and yakyakyakyakyakyak.
Gosh, we have an ancient saying which goes;
"beating the drums when the song's already over"
... Like I said, where were you guys when beta was on?
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Ok, can we get one thing straight. EVEN THOUGH IT DOSEN'T HAVE BETA NEXT TO ITS NAME, DOSEN'T MEAN ITS BUG FREE. This dosen't apply to anyone in the thread really but I looked through the forums and people seem to think just because it dosen't have beta next to its name it going to be perfect. I think the worst complaints are AH should stay around longer. Everyone knows why people say this because their pc can't run AH2. And if not that dosen't apply to you. O, yeah guess what NEWS FLASH THIS ISN'T A BOX GAME. HTC DOES NOT HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO TEST THIS SO IT CAN BE BUG FREE BEFORE IT GOES LIVE. I also see people say this is so buggy and is a step down from AH. Well I guess I'll call it a prequeal then. For the people who think I need to settle down. Well I can't because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning and someone pissed in my corn flakes this morning and I think its the midget under my bed who did it. Can you catch a midget with a mouse trap? Rat trap? Wonder if they like cheese?
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Originally posted by BlauK
Maybe one way to figure out when the beta is ready could be to compare how many people are playing in free open beta of AH2 and how many are still at AH1 arena.
The few times I logged on to either of these during past week, there were always more players in AH1..... I really wonder why?
I dont know really, but would it not be a better moment for a switch when there are more players in AH2 than in AH1?
... just wondering...
As to numbers....Seems reasonable, but with with some stipulations - first AHII scoring "didn't count" and secondly, not everyone had the bandwidth (or the desire) to keep up with the updates.
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Speaking in general terms, keeping an old version of a program alive in service with the new one side-by-side, is the worst choice an on-line contents provider can make.
It has nothing to do with any sort of judgement - whether or not a certain new version of a game is better, the people will always stick to where more people are. Come into beta, fly for a while, note to self "hmmm.. cool!!" - and then go play AH1. That's usually the pattern.
Was the same thing for me, until the last month where more than 60 people constantly started showing up the BA. Then I finally quit AH1 MA and got rid of AH1 from my system, and stayed with AH2 all along. It's basically a scenario of frontier-jumpers and lagging-behinders. Some people jump at newest established stuff, others mingle to the old one as long as they can.
As Machiavelli said, if you want to do something which may hurt, its better to do all of the required actions at once, rather than drag along unfinished business along the sidelines.
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Originally posted by hitech
Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.
HiTEch
Still looking for the Hot air balloon with the quad 30mm on it......
Gunns
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Basically some people just hate change , so instead of spending time in the ma and learning the new FM , they spend it i here typin ...hehe
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Originally posted by hitech
My opinion of AH2, is it with out a doubt, the most bugless version change HTC has ever done. Infact it wouldn't suprise me if there are less bugs in AH2 than AH1. After aprox 16 months with out a release , most people do not know that AHI's last release had 4 patches to fix bugs, Then somthing like the TBM issue in AHI was not even know about until almost a year after release.
And I would realy like to thank all the beta tester for giving us the feed back we needed to make AH2 2.00 .
Now back to the regular schedualed program of fixing the last minor issues, and then on to the fun cool stuff.
HiTEch
WTG HT, ignore, as much as you can the naysayers
most of them (not all ) are newbies( as in the last year) and have no clue of the constant improvement and development that will be ongoing.
I say let 'em stew, they'll thank ya in 6 months
:)
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Kweesa asked a valid question, "where were you guys during the beta"? I spent 75% of my time since beta 32 in the beta arena optimizing hardware settings, adjusting to the new clipboard interface and learning the flight models.
I upgraded my machine in stages over the past several months, and recently went for a new high-end MB and CPU. All in anticipation of AH2 going live. I'm not alone in this.
So, when AH2 went online, I was familar with it, my machine was ready for it and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
I like the new gunnery model, it suits my style of sticking the guns in my enemy's ear before I fire. I really like the new flight models. I don't find managing my fuel a problem, it adds to the immersion. I experienced one CDT in 6 hours of flying, none during the beta. The locking tailwheel set-up is excellent. The community designed skins are terrific.
A few minor glitches did nothing to knock the luster off the new game. Having been here for quite some time now, I know that these little bugs will be fixed ASAP.
What AH2 does do is make the game less fun for the "gamers". You can't pork the fuel any longer. You can't capture a base as easily. Cherry picking is much harder. The pray and spray horde can't hit squat at 1,000 yards. Those outrageous bomber guns now resemble reality, no more death lasers, no more ack-stars.
Hizooka snap shots are a damn sight tougher to score with, much less get easy kills. Those lazy-man HO artists are finding it far tougher to score hits too. Players are running out of gas because they didn't even bother to review the readme files.
All these changes make it less like an arcade and more like a combat simulator, and the gamers are dismayed and generally pissy about it. Poor little lambs....
The flight simmers are generally pleased with AH2.
Those of you who didn't bother to fly the beta are now paying for your lack of interest. Those of you who couldn't be bothered to find out if your hardware was up to the task are now complaining. Geez, you guys had a year to save your nickels and dimes for an upgrade. Technology evolves, HTC must evolve with it or face being uncompetitive. The same rule applies to user's computers. If you plan on playing PC based games, you can damn well expect to need to upgrade your system from time to time.
Those of you who ignored the beta are going to have to pay the piper and invest some time in re-learning the game. I figure that if you spent the time you have wasted pissin' and moanin' on the BBS in the Training Arena, you'd be half-way to being proficient with the new game.
My regards,
Widewing
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What WW said!:aok
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Agreed with WW - if anything I'd like more complexity on the engine management - like IL2 AEP.....radiator/cowl flap.......first and second stages dependant on alt, different for each a/c...make an easy mode that deliveres slightly less performance if you like.
Flaps that don't just automatically retract if you overspeed.........
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I barely find time to fly Ah1, let alone AH2 beta...However, I managed to fly it twice "straight outa the box" since AH 2.0 was released and to be honest I was afraid that my 18 month old P4 2.66, 512 RDram, GeF4 ti4600 was going to struggle considering the aparent need for a spare IBM super computer to run AH2 .
Quite frankly, apart from maybe playing with the v-sync so my fps isn't "stuck" on 59, AH can only move forward and imo AH2 is a good step forward..
Tronsky
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Originally posted by beet1e
Anyone who has worked in IT delivering software to users who number in their thousands will understand that no amount of beta testing meets the acid test - which is when the thing goes LIVE. Sure, there might be hiccups to begin with, people will have to change settings etc. When the dust settles, we can expect 2.01 within about a month, maybe sooner.
Relax, guys. Be patient.
And HTC.
This may indeed be the hardest thing I've ever said but.... here.... goes.....
I agree with Beet1e! There.... I said it! :p
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Dipstick! ;)
Originally posted by Widewing
Kweesa asked a valid question, "where were you guys during the beta"? I spent 75% of my time since beta 32 in the beta arena optimizing hardware settings, adjusting to the new clipboard interface and learning the flight models.
I upgraded my machine in stages over the past several months, and recently went for a new high-end MB and CPU. All in anticipation of AH2 going live. I'm not alone in this.
So, when AH2 went online, I was familar with it, my machine was ready for it and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
I like the new gunnery model, it suits my style of sticking the guns in my enemy's ear before I fire. I really like the new flight models. I don't find managing my fuel a problem, it adds to the immersion. I experienced one CDT in 6 hours of flying, none during the beta. The locking tailwheel set-up is excellent. The community designed skins are terrific.
A few minor glitches did nothing to knock the luster off the new game. Having been here for quite some time now, I know that these little bugs will be fixed ASAP.
What AH2 does do is make the game less fun for the "gamers". You can't pork the fuel any longer. You can't capture a base as easily. Cherry picking is much harder. The pray and spray horde can't hit squat at 1,000 yards. Those outrageous bomber guns now resemble reality, no more death lasers, no more ack-stars.
Hizooka snap shots are a damn sight tougher to score with, much less get easy kills. Those lazy-man HO artists are finding it far tougher to score hits too. Players are running out of gas because they didn't even bother to review the readme files.
All these changes make it less like an arcade and more like a combat simulator, and the gamers are dismayed and generally pissy about it. Poor little lambs....
The flight simmers are generally pleased with AH2.
Those of you who didn't bother to fly the beta are now paying for your lack of interest. Those of you who couldn't be bothered to find out if your hardware was up to the task are now complaining. Geez, you guys had a year to save your nickels and dimes for an upgrade. Technology evolves, HTC must evolve with it or face being uncompetitive. The same rule applies to user's computers. If you plan on playing PC based games, you can damn well expect to need to upgrade your system from time to time.
Those of you who ignored the beta are going to have to pay the piper and invest some time in re-learning the game. I figure that if you spent the time you have wasted pissin' and moanin' on the BBS in the Training Arena, you'd be half-way to being proficient with the new game.
My regards,
Widewing
Excellent post, WW. Best post since deployment of AH2 about AH2. I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about gamers v. simmers.
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Originally posted by jay1988
I thoght this was a message board to ask questions??
ROFLMAO...You are correct in assuming this.. BUT Think AGAIN.
The BBS actually evolved into a place to get you blankidy blank....blanking...blank flamed every time you ask a question!:rofl :rofl
Make no mistake...the HTC BBS has a very intelligent community.........there are a lot of Smart Arses dat is. :D
Like it or not...That’s the HTC BBS.
Morph tried to give a reasonable answer.
And allthough i dont like the repair as you go thingy. I think dats the best HTC can do.
Good Luck on future questions.
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stop whining, compared to EVE (we were still getting attacked by killer bug popups every 15 minutes) when it left beta... ah2 is practically bug free.