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Title: Will this computer work???
Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 12:36:43 AM: Just waundering will this computer work

I updated it to a AMD now chech it out Click Here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941)
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 01:03:17 AM: Yep, would run it pretty good.
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Post by: XtrmeJ on June 18, 2004, 01:35:51 AM: Lacking on the processor tho.
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 01:37:50 AM: What do you mean lacking cause i am getting the same processor i dont want to have any anything that wont run ah2.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 01:40:09 AM: What is the matter with the processor so i can fix it???
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Post by: mipoikel on June 18, 2004, 01:47:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
What is the matter with the processor so i can fix it???

It is Prescott and it runs very very HOT. Much safer / easier would be INTEL P4 FSB800 2.8G BOX S478 NORTHWOOD.

Prescott works ok but so far I would take northwood.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 01:56:57 AM: What if i get a good fan??? i want to buy my computer from 1 company and newegg does not have a 2.8g
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Post by: mipoikel on June 18, 2004, 02:02:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
What if i get a good fan??? i want to buy my computer from 1 company and newegg does not have a 2.8g

Yep. It should work.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:09:18 AM: the fan that i have will that work???
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 02:10:40 AM: I didn't catch that go with Northwood. Are you asking fi you current fan in your pc will work? Or if the one you was going to buy for the prescotte cpu?
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:14:22 AM: It has thermal paste that comes with the fan. What happens if i did not use the paste???
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 02:15:04 AM: If you don't use the paste you cpu will overheat.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:16:33 AM: THanks just waundering
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 02:22:00 AM: The heat sink you pick out is good. I know a couple of people with the exact same one.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:24:13 AM: how much should you put on???
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Post by: 2bighorn on June 18, 2004, 02:24:32 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
the fan that i have will that work???
Which fan do you have?

You're buying OEM ver NOT retail. OEM comes without fan.

Get THIS FAN (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-032&depa=1) and you should be all set...

WARNING
It's very loud but cools well....
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 02:25:04 AM: Jay I am getting the same cpu as you but I dont see where it says Paste comes with it.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:26:21 AM: The fan we are getting has the paste
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 02:26:35 AM: If the cpu is an OEM this means just what it needs to run. In otherwords just the cpu. Now the heat sink is not OEM it will come with everything you need including paste. All you need is a pea size drop of paste.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:31:25 AM: that big tube and just a pea size???
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Post by: 2bighorn on June 18, 2004, 02:32:01 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
The fan we are getting has the paste
Man, get some Arctic Silver 5, it's only $7 or so
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 02:34:52 AM: No the tube will have enough applications for more than what you need. All you need is a small drop on paste. Then spread it around on the bottm of the heat sink in a thin layer. But like I said the past might be already applied on the bottom on the heat sink. Mine was like that but my brothers had a tube and he had to apply it himself. Also it might have thermal pad. If it does you just attach the heat sink.
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Post by: TBolt A-10 on June 18, 2004, 02:36:16 AM: dang, someone move this thread to "tech support" or somethin'. :)
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 02:39:53 AM: Does it have to be a certain thermal paste??? What is the best thermal paste.
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 03:12:09 AM: No, it dosen't have to be a certian thermal paste. Artic silver is the best you can buy.
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Post by: Reschke on June 18, 2004, 11:21:42 AM: Jay,

I noticed that you mentioned Newegg doesn't have the Northwood core CPU...No I haven't finished reading the thread but...here it is with the Newegg part number and the cost is $180 for the retail box on this CPU.

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail

Model# BX80532PG2800D
Item # N82E16819116161
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Post by: Ecliptik on June 18, 2004, 12:16:17 PM: Quote
that big tube and just a pea size???

Yes, the coating should not be too thick or you'll just make a mess.

My tip is to use tape to mask off the areas of the heatsink that don't contact the CPU (not much of a concern for Intel processors, but for AMD the surface area of the core is very small), then put a glob of thermal paste on the exposed area and spread it evenly using a card like a credit card (use something you don't really need, I use an expired gym membership). Make sure the paste completely covers the exposed area, but the coating only has to be little more than paper thin. Then take off the tape and attach the heatsink. Nice and neat.
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Post by: Overlag on June 18, 2004, 12:45:11 PM: the cooler isnt good enough for the prescott your getting
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Post by: koda76 on June 18, 2004, 03:20:14 PM: You need to go to computergeeks .com and look at their barebones systems....I got more for $100 less than what I saw on your quote.....
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 05:03:03 PM: Yea the 2.8c only has 512mb of catche. But if the catche really does not matter i will change processors.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 05:09:11 PM: What if I get the same processor but the retail one??? Will the fan that comes with the processor (retail) will the work well???
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Post by: Flyboy on June 18, 2004, 05:17:02 PM: why??? jet??? and??? jay??? put??? three??? question??? marks??? it??? really??? bugs??? me??? and??? i??? do???? belive??? that??? one??? question???? mark??? will??? do??? the??? trick???

:)

now move this to hardware or tech support forum please
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Post by: 2bighorn on June 18, 2004, 05:42:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
What if I get the same processor but the retail one??? Will the fan that comes with the processor (retail) will the work well???

Yes, as long as your case has sufficient air flow and you won't overclock.

I always buy retail versions of CPU because of 3 year warranty vs 1 for OEM.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 06:04:44 PM: I'm buying the retail one then. Also I am getting a better fan then the one that comes with retail.

Does anybody know how to move this thread?
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Post by: RTR on June 18, 2004, 06:19:50 PM: What???? How??? When??? but..but..???

LOL Jay and Jet, thanks for the chuckles. You guys just put a bright spot in a dreary day for me. :)

Now, I don't know how you, personaly, can move this thread. I think HTC can do it for you. However, it is probably easier to just start a new thread in the hardware forum.

Wish I knew more about this stuff to help you out, but I am pretty much a dolt in the computer department.

Hope you get sorted out, and are up and running in AHII soon though.

Cheers,
RTR
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 06:45:13 PM: OK, I got the retail 2.8E but I found out that fan sucks, so Click Here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807308) to see my new fan, I think it would work really good
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 08:21:15 PM: Sorry guys I am just a little shaky about buying this computer since I have to set it up I dont want any promblems. I am trying to get the same basic stuff as Jay so he canhelp me in building it.
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Post by: snapperhead on June 18, 2004, 09:10:41 PM: ECS motherboards are poop
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 09:20:47 PM: Snapperhead it will run ah2 thats all I care about.
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Post by: snapperhead on June 18, 2004, 11:18:24 PM: Why not ditch the Intel chip, get an AMD chip and a better motherboard.
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 11:27:04 PM: Dont have money. Plus i dont want to wait to log before getting ah2 already knowing that everybody there has more experence than me.
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Post by: Jayclark on June 18, 2004, 11:28:11 PM: Amd is cheaper than Intel. Just a heads up.
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 11:30:15 PM: It is well than I might look into it but if I do go amd. Can I keep the same fan that I got know. Its the one jay just put on link. And somebody was telling me intel was better than AMD.
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Post by: Icer on June 18, 2004, 11:31:55 PM: You do know you are missing HD/CD-DVD/Input (KB-Mouse)/Monitor, yes? I'm guessing you are going to transplant these from your current system?

That system should run AH2 just fine IF that lowball Mobo and Case don't fry. $28 for a 400W PS and case? My Antec 1080 case and 430W PS cost 4X that (you get what you pay for)! Unless you like problems look to quality parts when you build. You might want to concider AMD processor/Mobo for more power at the same price, look at Antec cases, ASUS/ABIT/GIGABYTE mobos etc...

Let me know if I can help you with your build, its what I do...

:aok
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 11:38:08 PM: THanks, I know nothing about AMD:confused: please help me. Also i'm saving money by using my old stuff. I may upgrade the HD though only 20 gig, but i only have Aces High on it.
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 11:40:54 PM: Alright what is a good AMD mobo and cpu i should get and a godd case from newwegg?
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Post by: Flit on June 18, 2004, 11:47:59 PM: do some research on the 9600xt 256
I think * that the 128mb memory is faster then the 256 version
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Post by: jetb123 on June 18, 2004, 11:49:08 PM: and whats wrong with the cases we have i really am not up for spending to much more money. But i would like to get a AMd procssor and mobo for atleast 250 altogether.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 11:49:54 PM: I think the case can get up to 3 fans in it so that my mobo does not fry. I also read the reviews of the products to see what problems things have. They said the case was pretty good for the money.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 18, 2004, 11:55:17 PM: What AMD has the equal value of the intel i am getting?
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 12:00:57 AM: Or can you pick me out a very good Amd processor?

Here is the new link check it out here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807854)
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 12:49:37 AM: XP2500 Barton Retail with Heatsink and Fan

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-379&depa=0

Radeon 9600Pro or 9600XT...no need for 256MB

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-326&depa=0

Shuttle Nforce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-150-045&depa=0

Maxtop Case with 350W PS

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-150-015&depa=0
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 12:54:33 AM: How much of a power supply do i need? also you reply fast
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 12:57:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
Or can you pick me out a very good Amd processor?

Here is the new link check it out here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807854)

1st of all there is no need to spend twice the amount of money on a Barton 3200, a simple tweak of the motherboard will allow it to run at or above 2ghz.

2nd Stay way away from VIA chipset motherboards, Nforce2 is the only way to go...TRUST ME!!!!!! (major compatibilty issues with the KT chipsets)

3rd Celestica video card...lol....wtf save your $$$$ get the sapphire 128MB 9600XT for cheaper 256MB is pointless

4th if you dont plan on overclocking the stock Heatsink and Fan are fine no need to drop $30, the case I linked earlier has plenty of airflow.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 12:58:11 AM: How good is the processor I got?
I DONT overclock will to spend the money.
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 12:58:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
How much of a power supply do i need? also you reply fast

The 350W one that is in that case is actually a very good power supply.......You dont need a better one, the 9600 line of cards dont need to be directly plugged into the PS.
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 01:00:07 AM: Take the $80 difference b/t the XP3200 and 2500 buy some a tad bit better memory or more memory
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 01:00:56 AM: Is the 3200 better than the p4 2.8e? What about the 2500??
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 01:03:13 AM: For gaming............yes both AMD processors are
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Post by: Jayclark on June 19, 2004, 01:03:33 AM: My brother just bought the AMD 2500+. Thats a good one to. It very overclockable since the cpu isn't locked. I totally disagree with the VIA chipset and the Nforce. VIA's make good chipsets. So does Nforce. But VIA is proven to be more stable while over clocking. But the Nforce mootherboards can overclock higher. And exactly what compatability problems do they have? I would like to know so if its real bad I can stay away from them myself.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 01:06:50 AM: is the 2500 faster than the p4 2.8e?
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Post by: MOIL on June 19, 2004, 01:14:03 AM: Geez, you guys crack me up, about 90% of ya don't have a clue on what your talking about.

Jay, if you would like all the in's & out's on computer and or gaming systems feel free to contact me.

sales@marincomp.com

Have fun
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Post by: Jayclark on June 19, 2004, 01:18:53 AM: Glad I gave you a laugh then. I don't think I said anything incorrect have I? When comparing AMD and Intel cpu don't compare them by the core speeds.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 01:21:21 AM: Will the power supply they gave work moil?
Will the 2500 work well or should i go with the 3200??
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 01:28:04 AM: Quote
Originally posted by MOIL
Geez, you guys crack me up, about 90% of ya don't have a clue on what your talking about.

Jay, if you would like all the in's & out's on computer and or gaming systems feel free to contact me.

sales@marincomp.com

Have fun

nice sales pitch.......
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 01:30:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by MOIL
Geez, you guys crack me up, about 90% of ya don't have a clue on what your talking about.

Jay, if you would like all the in's & out's on computer and or gaming systems feel free to contact me.

sales@marincomp.com

Have fun

Its pretty simple really, XP processors are better for gaming, VIA chipsets DO have compatibilty problems with hardware, just b/c you have your own "company" doesnt make you an expert. But I guess its a good way to make a sale
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Post by: Jayclark on June 19, 2004, 01:36:03 AM: I see it wasn't just me that thought he made a sales pitch. About the VIA chipset is it the whole KT family? I do agree that XP cpus are better for gaming for various different reasons. I would go into it but its a lot of reasons. But the Intel will do the same but why pay more when you can get it cheaper? Go with the 2500. Its cheaper than the 3200 and get the same results in performance. As for the power supply. As snapper said 350 is enough.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 01:59:17 AM: I want to stay with the 3200 but check it out 20 dollars cheaper now AH2 Computer (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941)
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Post by: MadSquirrel on June 19, 2004, 02:10:52 AM: Quote
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Originally posted by MOIL
Geez, you guys crack me up, about 90% of ya don't have a clue on what your talking about.

Jay, if you would like all the in's & out's on computer and or gaming systems feel free to contact me.

sales@marincomp.com

Have fun
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nice sales pitch.......

Hummm, looks to me like Moil is offering help based on his professional experience, not asking for a sale.

But that is just how I read it.

LTARsqrl

~~:aok~~
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Post by: Jayclark on June 19, 2004, 02:13:55 AM: Wasn't the sale pitch part that bother me. Just he said 90 percent of you don't know what your talking about. And just because he has a bussiness dosen't mean he is a "professional" And if he is, he should feel bad instead of critizing people he should correct them instead. Looks good Jay. How long before you get it up and running? Want to see what type of frames rates you get.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 02:29:23 AM: Can you guys check out this computer? AH2 Computer (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941) Please tell me if there are any problems.
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Post by: Roscoroo on June 19, 2004, 03:39:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
Can you guys check out this computer? AH2 Computer (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941) Please tell me if there are any problems.

im curious as to why the 3200+ it only has a slight edge over a 2500+ oced to 11x200 which is 2.2ghz and they only cost 80 bucks .

as for a mainboard i use the asus a7n8x -x or the deluxe
its more $ then your shuttle but its a great mb.

the video card and ram is fine

if i was gonna build with 3200+ id just pay the little extra and go with a 64bit cpu
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Post by: Blixen on June 19, 2004, 07:52:21 AM: u dork(http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v292/BlixenDen/jay1988.jpg)
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Post by: Icer on June 19, 2004, 09:10:42 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
Can you guys check out this computer? AH2 Computer (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941) Please tell me if there are any problems.

Thats much better... I'm not one for the "cheapo" Power Supplies that come with low end cases (I actually like the look of the case you picked out) but most work just fine. Worst case scenario is the PS goes and you replace it with a 420W Antec for $50 or so..

This is just one opinion, but it IS an educated one (I'm one of the "chosen" 10%.. LOL)
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Post by: snapperhead on June 19, 2004, 10:57:39 AM: I'll say it again...........dump the XP3200 and just get the retail XP2500, take the $80 and get 1 Gig of memory
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Post by: Max on June 19, 2004, 11:21:24 AM: Jay and Jet....

c'mon lads, fess up...who are you guys? Letterman writers on acid? Too funny guys...keep 'em comin'

DmdMax
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Post by: MOIL on June 19, 2004, 01:14:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Jayclark
Wasn't the sale pitch part that bother me. Just he said 90 percent of you don't know what your talking about. And just because he has a bussiness dosen't mean he is a "professional" And if he is, he should feel bad instead of critizing people he should correct them instead. Looks good Jay. How long before you get it up and running? Want to see what type of frames rates you get.

First off it's seems "you" included yourself in the 90%, not me.
Second, you state I should feel bad for critizing people and to "correct" them. I'm not going to get into some debate with someone on the BB trying to "correct" them.
I never stated ANYWHERE that you or anyone else was giving incorrect info did I ?
I was simply offering my assistance to the lad with what seemed like a bizillion questions. And no, it wasn't a sales pitch I can't compete with Newegg's prices, however you may save a couple dollars getting parts from them but what if you have a question? or need help? Newegg doesn't offer support on hardware/software compatability. They just simply move hardware & a lot of it.
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Post by: jay1988 on June 19, 2004, 01:44:21 PM: This is Jet and I spend most of our days now that we can't play AH2. Sorry, but you may see alot more than me.

Also I'm willing to spend the extra money for the 3200 also I don't really need a gig of memory because I'm mostly only going to play AH2 on it.

I may change the processor to a 2500 i need to think about it. I really dont want to overclock any system, I will be will to by the processor.
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Post by: Max on June 19, 2004, 10:10:01 PM: Jay1988...

Drop me an e-mail...I'm also looking to upgrade and have some suggestions. Perhaps we can share some input. My addy is
topchef52@adelphia.net

btw Jay...sorry for the earlier crack I posted...it wasn't at all in keeping with the information you were looking for. I didn't intend to take a cheap shot at you, or Jet...but re-reading it now...that's just how it reads. My sincere apologies.

DmdMax
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Post by: jetb123 on June 19, 2004, 10:22:11 PM: Bah Changes Changes:rolleyes:
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Post by: Overlag on June 19, 2004, 10:41:20 PM: A64 2800-3000-3200 retail
MSI K8N NEO or Asus K8VSE
512mb-1gig Corsair PC3200 XL
9800pro MIN
Any Seagate or Maxtor SATA HDD
Title: Re: Will this computer work???
Post by: AWMac on June 19, 2004, 10:47:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jay1988
Just waundering will this computer work

I updated it to a AMD now chech it out Click Here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishR.asp?ID=807941)

Great puter.

Not only that I have yer account number and can reroute the puter to a P.O Box in a State next to mine. Plus I added a few lil things like a vid cam, dvd burner, color printer and a nice flat plasm screen...

I know it's wrong but I feel like the most Beautiful girl in the whole developement..... :rofl
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Post by: jay1988 on June 20, 2004, 12:05:14 AM: Quote
Originally posted by AWMac
Great puter.

Not only that I have yer account number and can reroute the puter to a P.O Box in a State next to mine. Plus I added a few lil things like a vid cam, dvd burner, color printer and a nice flat plasm screen...

I know it's wrong but I feel like the most Beautiful girl in the whole developement..... :rofl

What do you mean I never put in a credit card # I only have my address???
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Post by: Bingo on June 20, 2004, 05:49:00 AM: You may want to check out ebay for used computers. You can pick up nice equipment at reasonable prices. BEWARE however you need to know exactly what you want in a computer and the parts that make it up! This message board is a good starting point but check other sources as well.

Good luck!

Bingo