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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Steve on June 18, 2004, 03:12:05 AM
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Just wanted to say "goodbye" to the community of the MA, I've had so many laughs w/ all of you and made so many friends... too many to name here. Thank you so much for all the laughs and fun!
AHII is a MAJOR step back for Aces High. From Generic Range Icons(400-600-800.. etc) to rediculous gunnery, this game now sux. To those of you who disagree and like the new changes I say: "Bully for you, I'm glad they work for you!"
I'm not exactly sure why but it's the generic range icons that were the last straw for me. This seems a blatant digression to me and I cannot fathom what HT was thinking. Just.........plain..........s tupid.
All my reasons for my quitting relate to the failure that is AHII.
I'll miss you guys in the MA, thanks for sharing your leisure time with me.
Steve
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See ya steve
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Cya Steve. I actually like the new icons, still compensates for the lack of real world depth perception, but doesn't just hand the range to you on a silver platter. What don't you like about the gunnery?
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Bah Steve - don't be a "titty-baby crying whiner"™. You've gone from being #1 fighter pilot in some tours to cancelling your account. WTF?! Is your quest to win all the time so strong that you cannot adapt to AH2, or cannot bear to slip to #2 while you do? Didn't you ever play the beta? Face it. You're not going to get 800yd shots any more, by which I mean the option to cause major damage from that range is gone. Try getting to within 300 yds like I always have. The gunnery is as it should be, and is a HUGE step forward IMO - though admittedly I have flown only a few hours of beta.
AH2 looks prettier, but I suspect the overall gameplay is much the same? - I haven't had an opportunity to play and won't have one till Saturday. I won't be quitting. I was able to get kills at 300yds after a little practice with the F4U1D - same guns as your P51D. I don't mind adapting to something new, but I'm not a "game-the-game-gottawin"™ or a T-B-C-W™.
Pull your head out, Steve, wipe off that brown smear, and play on.
And get your hands off my neck! :lol
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Bummer to cya go Steve. Hopefully, Maybe we will cya some time later if ya get an urge to try out AH2 a bit more.
its been great havin ya in the squad.
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Originally posted by beet1e
T-B-C-W™.
Somehow, I doubt that is a true trademark. It is somewhat clever, though.
Other than that, I agree with beetle here. Why leave? Just because your hit percentage isn't 18% anymore? I would be willing to bet that you would have been able to do as well in AH2 as AH1 had you stuck around.
Oh well. Cya when you come back as Steve1.
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Cya in a month Steve:D
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Cya in a month Steve:D
Hehe, who are you kidding Steve?
Where would you go?
I thought AH2 loved your ride?
Naaah, you're pulling my chain...
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Originally posted by Steve
AHII is a MAJOR step back for Aces High.
Steve
thats true my comp just cant handle it
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Originally posted by Stratocaster
thats true my comp just cant handle it
Does.....not.....compute....
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Originally posted by Steve
Just wanted to say "goodbye" to the community of the MA, I've had so many laughs w/ all of you and made so many friends... too many to name here. Thank you so much for all the laughs and fun!
AHII is a MAJOR step back for Aces High. From Generic Range Icons(400-600-800.. etc) to rediculous gunnery, this game now sux. To those of you who disagree and like the new changes I say: "Bully for you, I'm glad they work for you!"
I'm not exactly sure why but it's the generic range icons that were the last straw for me. This seems a blatant digression to me and I cannot fathom what HT was thinking. Just.........plain..........s tupid.
All my reasons for my quitting relate to the failure that is AHII.
I'll miss you guys in the MA, thanks for sharing your leisure time with me.
Steve
I like ya Steve but your being a damn retard. Quitting after one day like some lil girl is not cool.
Yea gunnery is harder, yea the new icons are a bit less convenient but what do you expect when AH1 had all of that set way too easy?
This is progress. Its much more like the suff that I read about in ww2 like having to close to 300-400 yards to get good hits.
I guess your expectations were made unrealistic with AH1. I remember how you once told me:
"Grun you were dead anyway, I was saddled 500 yards on your 6"
Well that was AH1. AH2 makes several changes.
Long range sniping is more difficult in general.
Tracers are a bit different.
Planes are a bit less stable and more twitchy.
The hit areas on models are smaller now. AH1 had a sort low resolution hit model which made near misses into hits. This is gone now.
And overall its just a new more advanced game, It will take time for all of us to learn. Even us old aces. The only reason we got good was by practicing and learning. This takes time no way around it.
So dry off your tears, put a new set of diapers and sign up again. If youre good you might even get your name back...
See you next week.
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Ok so you can't hit those 'under the cockpit' shots easily anymore. Nor can you land the 600 yard deflection shots so easily.
So stop relying on gamey shots and start going for that 150 yard 'can't-possibly-miss' shot that the real world aces talk about.
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The icons and the gunnery are both huge improvements in my humble opinion.
Now you have to judge a little more if the con is gaining or dropping back, having the icons underneath is also a good feature.
As for the gunnery, (even though I am guilty as charged of shooting out to 1.2 <---- dweeb) now that you have to get up close and personal it makes for more interesting and skillful fighting.
edit your post quickly and get back in the fold
wipass
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Play Il2 AEP for 8 weeks - Ah2 is pretty easy after that.
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Originally posted by Steve
Just wanted to say "goodbye" to the community of the MA, I've had so many laughs w/ all of you and made so many friends... too many to name here. Thank you so much for all the laughs and fun!
AHII is a MAJOR step back for Aces High. From Generic Range Icons(400-600-800.. etc) to rediculous gunnery, this game now sux. To those of you who disagree and like the new changes I say: "Bully for you, I'm glad they work for you!"
I'm not exactly sure why but it's the generic range icons that were the last straw for me. This seems a blatant digression to me and I cannot fathom what HT was thinking. Just.........plain..........s tupid.
All my reasons for my quitting relate to the failure that is AHII.
I'll miss you guys in the MA, thanks for sharing your leisure time with me.
Steve
One less channel 1 smack talker to squelch, I hear warbirds could break the 20 subscriber mark this week, enjoy!!
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A Whine Has Been Recorded...
This is almost as funny as SirPyro's whine about how he hated AH2 because he could no longer solo capture an undefended base.
If these guys had played in the beta they would have known what to expect. Same with the guys that are whining about their systems not being up to par. They've all had ample opportunities to test out AH2 before it went live.
ack-ack
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Steve, the gunnery isn't that hard. Just had a 6 kill sortie in a spit 9 with 92 rounds of 20mm leftover. 5 of the 6 kills were @ d200 icon range, the other was @ d400. I usually got close before firing anyway in AH .
However i have had several d600 kills in the mossie in AHII... so long range kills are still possible. It just requires more luck than skill now. As perhaps it should be.
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always whining huh?
AHII step in the RIGHT direction!
Originally posted by Stratocaster
thats true my comp just cant handle it
thats your fault not HTC's........
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AKAK.....what most of us have been posting the last month or so.
Telling Peeps they best get to AHII to get used to it.
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But they wanted to score and score like a potato
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He isn't quiting.
He is getting a ghost account until he can get a good rank as Steve again.
In a month or so we will read the "I'm Back!" post.
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No, I think it’s a major change, not a step back Steve. And if it indeed is, the community will make it known, and HTC will listen. But not after 2 days. Your not done with AH.
Look, getting used to it will take time. I can’t remember ever feeling real bad for slaughtering newbies in AH1, but since the change, a lot of the “Vets”, if you will, are feeling that frustration because everything you learned is now a bit different and new. I know I am.
It’s time to relax, keep playing, and make a decision in a month or 2 at least. These quit posts were as certain as taxes, and for you HTC faithful piling on them, is just as bad and doesn’t help HTC at all.
Take a breath, fly more than ever, get used to it. If you don’t like it after a month, sure, voice your opinion, and vote with your $.
But to judge what you like in 1 or 2 days and stop playing? Your wife is pry ecstatic.
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Heh...AHII just gave me an exuse to justify (to myself) a new video card.
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I think this is a great post.
AHII is significantly different from AHI (in spite of what some have posted on the subject) and because of that, we are going to lose some players. Steve's talked about what he doesn't like, and what's caused him to leave the game, and while he questions why these changes were made he recogonizes that it's all a matter of opinion.
Anyhow, I bet there would still be people playing with "Periscope" view, from AW if it were available.
Hope you come back sometime Steve.
-Sik
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The icons take about 2 days to get used to... lol... he was half way there.
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You will be back, we all come back. Cya then!
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Personally, I feel much the same way Steve does about the range icon. By the time the graphics tell me what the other guy is doing...I am pretty well screwed. Quit? Nay! But, I will no longer chase higher dots, daring them to come down and get me (winning those kinds of fights was always my favorite guilty pleasure :)). Heck, all a decent roper has to do is reverse within 500 yards and I won't know it until he is already in my face.
Bottomline for me, I would have liked to see the changes phased in over a period of a few months, instead of dumped in all at once. Can I adjust and learn the "new" game? Of course I can. I'm just not sure I am willing to put up with the sever buttwhoppin' it will take to do so :D.
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Originally posted by Hajo
AKAK.....what most of us have been posting the last month or so.
Telling Peeps they best get to AHII to get used to it.
True Hajo, I agree, but some of us have been playing beta a bit with some problems, asking questions about these problems and working on trying to get the probs corrected and still have gotten no resolution to them.
I guess it will all come out in the wash.
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Maybe it is because I have only been playing AHI since this January, or maybe because my skill level was relatively low to begin with so I didnt have far to get back to where I was in AHI, but I did not find adapting to AHII all that hard. I think AHII is significantly different (read better), especially the range data. I dont think the gunnery is different, I think the lower level of range data is causing people who depended on the "laser range finder" in AHI to think gunnery is different when it is not. It only took me about 30 min to adapt and I cant imagine anyone quitting over the difference.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I guess it will all come out in the wash.
What a twist, the babys are going *before* the bathwater.
:cool:
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Personally, I feel much the same way Steve does about the range icon. By the time the graphics tell me what the other guy is doing...I am pretty well screwed. Quit? Nay! But, I will no longer chase higher dots, daring them to come down and get me (winning those kinds of fights was always my favorite guilty pleasure :)). Heck, all a decent roper has to do is reverse within 500 yards and I won't know it until he is already in my face.
Bottomline for me, I would have liked to see the changes phased in over a period of a few months, instead of dumped in all at once. Can I adjust and learn the "new" game? Of course I can. I'm just not sure I am willing to put up with the sever buttwhoppin' it will take to do so :D.
I agree to a point, it takes about a week to expand the SA and see where they are coming from and going, I had the same problem at first but I've managed to adjust by keeping tabs on everyone a bit sooner and follow their maneuvers a bit more. You cant blow off an icon for 10 secs and reacquire knowing what he's up to right away anymore.
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The changes to AH2 are improvements IMO, and some of the stuff (like not being able to see hit sprites under the nose of your plane) are major steps toward better realism and gameplay.
The same folks who were good in AH1 will excel in AH2 after an adjustment period. It is different in many respects, but different does not necessarily mean harder. You're good enough to adapt to it and do just fine, Steve.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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As for the icon range counter I have started to retrain my mind too it. I watch it from 1 out. When it switches to 1000 I start to focus more on watching the enemy plane size. At 600 I try to completely ignore the counter altogether and instead focus on the size of the plane to judge distancem direction, E.
Getting better results this way than I previously did. And guess its a little bit more realistic to focus in on looking at the plane when close than the counter.
Just have to adapt.
As for the gunnery model and damage model it has resparked my interest in flying in AH2 instead of doing admin stuff as a squad CO and as a CM.
I find it much more challenging .. gone are the one kill snapshots. Or I should much reduced. With the reduced hit bubble / hit shell hitting the enemy plane is much more challenging and judging angles more important to me. Plus, holding fire until closer.
Also found that flying sloppy and using combat maneuvers helps a whole lot more here than in AH1. Jinking about has kept LA7s off me quite a bit when they were out at 200-400 via the range counter.
On the DM model and FM with 8 points of force working on the plane I have seen planes able to withstand more damage and keep on flying since their are 8 factors affecting flight with the loss of a control surface. B17s and Lancs can really keep on flying with good chunks of their wing and other parts gone.
Opposite side is that if you go into a spin yits that much more work to come out of with 8 points instead of 4 working on your plane.
Its different but in truth its not rote and adapting to the new things in I am find challenging and is getting me to fly more because of the challenge.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I'm just not sure I am willing to put up with the sever buttwhoppin' it will take to do so :D.
LOL No Body , that is too funny. 'splains the times in AW, when..... hehehe if you can remb that far back. :rofl :aok
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Same ol same ol hard to please steve ;-)
Dude, AH2 smokes the living pants off of AH1. I would assume you are more on the side of can't easily adjust to change then backing out because the game sucks.
Isn't this the same ol Steve from AW who sniveled when AW3 was transforming into AH3.5?
Same guy who snivels about change, yet when it comes runs for your life?
Here's a kleenex, wipe the tears and get back in the game. What would we do without asll your sniveling? We're gonna be lost!
j\k
Anim
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Play Il2 AEP for 8 weeks - Ah2 is pretty easy after that.
LMAO! I was thinking the same thing, makes the AH2 hit "bubble" feel like a 777 or something!
Personally I cannot think of ANYTHING in Ah2 that is not an improvement over AH1, or course once the Infinity map gets into the rotation I'll have to change my mind :D
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You wouldn't think the learning curve on the new gunnery is high enough to make you drop your sticks and quit.
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Icon counters. The dots just aren't represented well enough. I find myself using "ZOOM" all the time. Something to consider.
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Look, getting used to it will take time. I can’t remember ever feeling real bad for slaughtering newbies in AH1, but since the change, a lot of the “Vets”, if you will, are feeling that frustration because everything you learned is now a bit different and new. I know I am.
Bingo for me. I have yet to land even 2 kills when 2 and 3 were the norm for me. Not a great stick, but above average. Now... well I stink and it is frustrating to be sure. How these guys are landing 6 and 8 kills, lol to them. :)
Don't know you Steve, but you did not give it a fair shake.
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Or is this thread really about no channel 1...lol
AHII is easy mate... learn the blackouts....gunnery is the SAME but looks different.... and as for Icon... U are kidding me lol.
Bleeding good job us Brits didn't give up on Jerry after 1 day.....get the point?
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Icons - no problem. Like someone else said, in two days you'll be used to it.
Gunnery - just fill half your windshield with plane and you rarely miss - convergence 250:)
Sun? Now that sun is going to be hard to get used to. I have to turn the brightness and contrast down on my monitor to avoid a migrain or eye strain. Don't get me wrong - I like the effect it has on game play. But as is, it like staring at a welder's arc (as someone else posted in another thread). I was just hoping it would be easy to code to make the whole screen go a little dimmer when sun effects (glare) come into play. Blinding the user base can't be good.
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Typical response from a man who needs everything handed to him on a platter...
Generic icons / gunnery as an excuse is laughable. I think it's interesting to see these virtual hotshots talk all the trash in the game then whine like stuck pigs when the have to work to get some victories. The task is simple: learn to adapt to a new system and stop whining. Or, don't let the door hit ya.
Some fragile egos shatter so easily, it seems...:rofl
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i like the new ranging... dont like the icon position
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Steve,
H8 to see you go bro.......can you send me your video card??
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i agree with steve for the most part. im not gonna quit, right away anyways. im not a big fan of the icons, woundnt be that bad if it werent for the dang warping(i didnt have a problem with before). gunnery, well some adjustment is needed, but someone said that "150 cant miss range" how you know when your 150 off? i was at 200 off in a 38 and missed everything, so ya can miss. but, like i said, some adjustment needed. i do understand what everyone is saying about realism, but too much just isnt my bag i guess. im a simple man that comes home from work, argues with wife, plays with kids then enjoys some online time shooting at virtual planes. i dont really want to be a ww2 pilot, i dont have a fan in front of me on high, with flight goggles and scarf around my neck flappin in the breeze, just like to shoot those little images.
but like mentioned a few time before, its all personal opinion and what you look for in a "game".
~S~
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I suppose we all have some disappointments with AH2, but we have to give it a chance before running off. Treat it as a completely new game but you don't have to create another stick map for it.
Simply put, I'm staying... the good definitely outweighs the bad.
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Pro:
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- Clouds- blocky at the edges, but a real nice effect.
- Graphic damage- seeing holes in your wings, etc, not enabled on my P38 yet tho.
- Ground clutter- makes the GV fight alot more fun, not to mention low alt furballs
- Aircraft feel more (what I'd guess) is accurate aside from a couple examples
- Tracer smoke- really helps distract you, Reminds me of the gun camera films.
- CVs- I really like the way they smoke now, looks awesome.
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Con
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- The requirements seemed too high and even a good machine has stutters
- The way the ground redraws when you come within visual range of the trees.
- Icon range- I wish it was in increments of 100, rather than 200 to make up for net lag
- The two dimensional trees, and the fact tanks can hide within and not take ANY damage from bombs. Real bad feature, imho.
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Originally posted by Delirium
IThe two dimensional trees, and the fact tanks can hide within and not take ANY damage from bombs. Real bad feature, imho.
i have found the exact opposite.
4 times i was killed trying to hide in trees from the planes. they just nosed down and dropped where i was and boom.
right through the trees, right on me too, like the could see me better than ever.
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Originally posted by Sox62
Heh...AHII just gave me an exuse to justify (to myself) a new video card.
New video card? Arrggghhh...I need a whole new system. FX5200 running on a PIII 550 is just not enough.
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It must hurt to go from 1st to just-like-everyone-else, eh? :rolleyes:
Whiner.
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Originally posted by Innominate
Ok so you can't hit those 'under the cockpit' shots easily anymore. Nor can you land the 600 yard deflection shots so easily.
So stop relying on gamey shots and start going for that 150 yard 'can't-possibly-miss' shot that the real world aces talk about.
Actually it was more like 25-35 meters, but whose to say a couple extra feet mattered :)
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There will be crying towels sold in the ladies washroom. Steve, you might want to have yours custom made.
The new gunnery is awesome. No more D1000 lucky SOBs shots tearing your plane to bits. Now there are some serious dogfights and only the ones that can adapt to change or have even a bit of skill will survive.
Later Steve. :lol Hope you didn't throw out your old Atari.
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I like this thread, it sums up alot of concerns and opinions that likely represent the community fairly well. I like AH2, of course I am nowhere near as successfull in AH2 after 3 weeks as I was in AH1 after 1 and a half years, just as I am no where near as successfull in AH1 as I was in AWFR after 7 years. Everything takes time, time to re-learn, time to adopt new styles and techniques, time to get comfortable with the subtle nuances of your chosen ride(s).
There are alot of subtle changes to the GM and FM in AH2, this is going to require ALOT of practice to become fully compfortable with and get the feel for. Like we told all the newbies that came to AH1, "the learning curve is steep, very steep", heck I've been playing AH for well over a year now and still learn something new everyday and I am a very long-time WW2 Combat flight sim veteran.
But, I contend that it is this need AH2 creates for learning again that is actually going to be its secret allure. You can only enjoy that "I have arrived" feeling so long before the whole experience starts to feel more like work than an enjoyable entertainment experience. Just persevere, enjoy it for what it really should be, entertainment, the unparalleled success with all flow from that with time.
Zazen
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I haven't flown in a couple of months now, but I'd of picked STEVE as the last guy to quit over issues with AHII. I had a couple of great fights with eagler and others (D pony vs 109{G-2 I think})...anyway I know I couldnt touch eagler in the 109 in AH1 (got waxed enough in CT to erase any doubt) and I think I was 3/4 in the Beta setup that day with him. To me the pony went way way up in overall leathality especially in a phone booth fight....
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What don't you like about the gunnery?
This is a fair question SOB. The gunnery system requires closer ranges and longer gun solution to down a plane.... a dream come true for TnB guys. For those who like more realism this may also be a boon and I respect that they are enjoying the changes.
I was tired, but should have posted that the game sux "for me".
My apologies to HT, when I've dealt with them 1 on 1 they have always been polite, freindly even...thank you.
To those who mentioned that maybe it's because I went from being "#1" or whatever to being average my response is that you are incorrect.
It's like Killn said, I just want to come home from work, shoot down some bad guys, die a few times, talk a little smack, have some laughs w/ my virtual friends and log off. I'm not a big "realism" guy and I don't want to play a game that feels like work.
Lots of people in here laud the changes as being more realistic and like I said, that's great for them. I'm glad they are enjoying the new things in AHII. I loved the game, it's not like I'm happy to leave. I spent several hundred dollars on upgrading my computer so I could run AHII well.
To those who offered constructive input, thank you!
To those who have thus far tossed off assorted insults... ahh never mind, you have shown what kind of people you are.
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If these guys had played in the beta they would have known what to expect
AKAK I tried Beta several times and had the same concerns throughout.
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Maybe they will turn on channel one again for ya.
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Maybe they will turn on channel one again for ya.
Huh? I didn't really care one way or the other.
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Originally posted by Steve
AKAK I tried Beta several times and had the same concerns throughout.
I don't think the beta thing has all that much to do with making the change now. I spent maybe about 4 hours in beta and there was only a few people in it, not a lot of fighting opportunites, and I'm fine with it.
I personally don't think anyone should be lampooned for not liking it, it's their choice. And if some people want to vent a little, let em have at it. I think there are flaws and deficiencies in the game, it's certainly not perfect. All of this current talk will be ancient history by this time next week, why trip?
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Steve,
I have great respect for you and will miss your presence on the Rooks.
I have to say though, bagging it after 1 night is lame. Give it a month and if you still don't like it, so be it.
You're not being fair to HT or to yourself if you don't.
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i forgot to say, sad to see ya go steve. any plans on future sims? i was thinking about tryin WBs, although id rather not. so im gonna give this a few weeks or so, see if it grows on me. and time for them to fix some things.
~S~
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Killn, and Mosq, thanks... really nice of you to say.
Not any plans on other sims, since I hear they are even more "Realistic". If they ever change the range icons back I might just back in. There are several reasons why this is a gamebreaker for me.....yes the range icons are more "realistic" now, I'm not arguing that. I was one of those dweebs who was happy to sacrifice some "realism" for playability.
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Originally posted by Steve
This is a fair question SOB. The gunnery system requires closer ranges and longer gun solution to down a plane.... a dream come true for TnB guys. For those who like more realism this may also be a boon and I respect that they are enjoying the changes.
I was tired, but should have posted that the game sux "for me".
My apologies to HT, when I've dealt with them 1 on 1 they have always been polite, freindly even...thank you.
To those who mentioned that maybe it's because I went from being "#1" or whatever to being average my response is that you are incorrect.
It's like Killn said, I just want to come home from work, shoot down some bad guys, die a few times, talk a little smack, have some laughs w/ my virtual friends and log off. I'm not a big "realism" guy and I don't want to play a game that feels like work.
Lots of people in here laud the changes as being more realistic and like I said, that's great for them. I'm glad they are enjoying the new things in AHII. I loved the game, it's not like I'm happy to leave. I spent several hundred dollars on upgrading my computer so I could run AHII well.
To those who offered constructive input, thank you!
To those who have thus far tossed off assorted insults... ahh never mind, you have shown what kind of people you are.
Steve. If the game sux for you...then it Sucks..Its dat simple. After All, You are the thread starter. I too think the new AH sux in many ways. And it is dissapointing. Though i dont plan to leave (Present Mafia CO) I still dont like some of the changes A LOT! :D
I will miss ya. And hope to bump into ya again. Salute!!
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All I know is I didnt totally care for AH1 last summer when I tried it. Since trying AH2 it seems all the things I didnt care for are gone and a great game stands in its place. Im staying.
So I guess as one is cancelled one is gained.
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Now who is Fubar616 gonna hate?
You have to hang in there Steve!
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I don't see what the big deal is. Other than graphics and constantly worrying about fuel, it seems pretty much the exact same to me.
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Originally posted by MOSQ
Now who is Fubar616 gonna hate?
You have to hang in there Steve!
:rofl
best thing said in this entire thread.
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I feel pretty much the same as Steve I'm not going to cancel my account but I won't be online until some of the problems are solved. Using fighters I've not found any real bugs just some things i don't care for.
But other tools like the new rockin osti, field guns that lock in one spot, disco's in 8" ship guns, bombers that won't stay on target. Trees I thought were to protect vehicles from air attack
well they don't I killed a tank in the trees with 2 rockets. I have more but they have been mentioned by others.
And yes i flew bata saw the flaws figured they would be fixed before the release (my bad)
No i dont have a crappy computer.
The folks at HTC have provided me with hours heck years of fun hope to be back soon
Ok now rip away
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If steve says its not ego, Ill give the benefit of the doubt. The next alternative is lazyness. IMO its silly to bag it so early while almost everyone is adjusting.
I am not pleased having to adjust to the new GM, DM (enjoying the improved FM so far though), but all I have to do is look around at others performance to see Im actually adjusting pretty well. It dispells the frustration that I cant do everything I could in AH1.
Kind of silly to throw yourself behind the curve so soon when in all practicallity you are probably ahead of the curve, but .
steve, dont be a stranger buddy.
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That's weird Steve, I love the FM's and the gunnery. I really like the range icons the most. You have to watch the plane. I like that.
The fights I've had so far when they came up in beta were the best "fights" I've had in a long time.
I spent a good deal of time in WBIII with their FM's and gunnery. The FM's are familier to me. WITHOUT that fuggin mush that WB has.
The gunnery while being much harder is much better IMO. Control surface input effects the shot as it should. While after 2 years of trying I could never get the hang of the "laser" gunnery of AH1. You indeed did.
All this balled up makes for some real fun fighting. It's the fight that's fun. I was flyin a spit V the night she went live and flew over to a pair of 51b's for a tussel. Over the next few minutes I was attracting Ponies from everywhere. There was a least four. Great fight, great working it.
That wasn't possible in AH1. Fun stuff.
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Today is June 18. Steev be back by July.....hmm.....17th.
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Steve had some great fights man .. gunna miss them . hope to see ya back soon ... 38maw
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Steve, you really do get used to the icons in just a few days. They do show reversals and you get a feel for where you're at in a certain icon margin (200(250 or 350?), 400 (430 or 580?), 600...1000 etc.) You begin to see when something that had been steadily pulling away (2,4,6 etc.) sort of hangs on a number, its probably reversing or slowing.
Closer fights and faster reaction times. 10 lkill sorties are probably a thing of the past, but they should be - or at least extremely uncommon.
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Hope you come back soon Steve
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Cya Steve, sure you'll be cherry-pickin' somewhere else in no time. Welcome back Filth.
both of ya's.
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Hate to see you leave, but I got the feeling you'll be back. Then I'll get the chance to finaly shoot you down after 2 years of trying..lol.
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I really don't see me coming back. The FM didn't bother me at all really. Gunnery did. I literally couldn't hit anything. I made passes at a dead stick glider flying straight and level.... and missed lol. I tried several times in Beta to enjoy the game, just hated it every time. Maybe the icon/gunnery thing is just too hard for a guy like me. alll I know is... it was no fun at all. I'm quite certain there are many people just like me out there.
Edit: someone said there would be less kills per sortie now. This is exactly my point. The more kills I got, the more action I got. therefore the more fun I had. So now I'd be getting much less kills, ergo, much less fun. How people can consider this a step forward eludes me.
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Originally posted by Steve
Edit: someone said there would be less kills per sortie now. This is exactly my point. The more kills I got, the more action I got. therefore the more fun I had. So now I'd be getting much less kills, ergo, much less fun. How people can consider this a step forward eludes me.
W.A.D.R., it really just sounds like you're more of a video-gamer than a 'simmer.' U'll have fun at the arcade playing Asteroids -- you can't miss there. :p
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it really just sounds like you're more of a video-gamer than a 'simmer.' U'll have fun at the arcade playing Asteroids -- you can't miss there.
Yes, I am, I guess. You've taken two cheap shots at me in this thread and I don't even know you..... I'm glad for that though, don't think I'd like to know someone like you.
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Originally posted by Steve
Yes, I am, I guess. You've taken two cheap shots at me in this thread and I don't even know you..... I'm glad for that though, don't think I'd like to know someone like you.
Well, sorry for the first one. But, your post sounded like a whine.
And, the 2nd 'cheap shot' was actually an observation. :)
So, pardon me for being a big mean man, but shut the hell up, re-instate your account and learn the fuggin' sim like the rest of us are forced to do. :D
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Hey Steve,
I really think you should give it some more time. I know it took me a few flights in beta and now in the real version to get the hang of it. I'm still not close to my old aim but I know I'm improving.
Why give up all the fun of this game because you are unwilling to put some into learning something new? And thats how you come across in your posts, at least to me.
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Steve the gunnery is still there. I regularly make kills at 600-800 with Hizzokas. I even wounded an LA-7 last night at D800 with the 7.9mms on a 190 A-5.
It's just a matter of a little practice. Give it a week and you'll be in the groove.
I for one like the new fuel management and gunnery much better. You can actually fly farther now than before if you watch the way you fly.
And your favorite ride, the P-51, has tremendous range, so the fuel change should make no difference for you. Just fewer LA-7s vulching the base you're trying to up at.
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LOL Tbolt... it was a bit of a whine.. sorry for snapping at you.
Mosq, I couldn't even SEE planes at 600-800. They were specks.
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Why give up all the fun of this game because you are unwilling to put some into learning something new? And thats how you come across in your posts, at least to me.
Grun, to some extent this is quite accurate. I don't want to relearn a game, really. Call it lazy, I'll understand if you do.
The icons/icon range/gunnery were way beyond my abilities.
People hitting at 800 yards? lol I can barely see a plane that far out.
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Originally posted by Steve
Grun, to some extent this is quite accurate. I don't want to relearn a game, really. Call it lazy, I'll understand if you do.
Can't see how finding another sim you've never played and learning it from scratch (with a bunch of people you don't know) would be any different?
I'm not a great pilot but I can land 5-6 kills in SpitV in AH2. Get alot of hits with .303s at 600+ too. Oh well....
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Originally posted by Steve
I really don't see me coming back. The FM didn't bother me at all really. Gunnery did. I literally couldn't hit anything. I made passes at a dead stick glider flying straight and level.... and missed lol. I tried several times in Beta to enjoy the game, just hated it every time. Maybe the icon/gunnery thing is just too hard for a guy like me. alll I know is... it was no fun at all. I'm quite certain there are many people just like me out there.
Edit: someone said there would be less kills per sortie now. This is exactly my point. The more kills I got, the more action I got. therefore the more fun I had. So now I'd be getting much less kills, ergo, much less fun. How people can consider this a step forward eludes me.
i dunno, ive gone from NOT landing sorties of 2-3 kills in AHI (with 109s and 190s) to landing 4-6 kills in them....... Im gratefull for the "poor" gunnery, no one can hit me! LOL :lol
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Originally posted by Steve
The icons/icon range/gunnery were way beyond my abilities.
No they aren't. And I think you know that too. Put in two weeks at it, and you'll be just fine. I noticed last night that my aim was off a bit; lots of assists or near-misses that baffled me. So I went off-line, turned on tracers, and adjusted my aim and convergence based on what I saw.
Shotgun blast kills with wing-mounted guns have become more difficult, so I made every gun converge to a pinpoint at the same distance, and I pulled that distance in an extra 100 yards over where I'd had it before. The result was that I seemed to hit with much, much more lethality for the rest of the evening, and my aim improved dramatically.
So before giving up entirely, why not tinker with convergance and aim offline? A few simple adjustments could make all the difference in the world.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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ya know, steve an i have certainly had our beefs over the years. but here he is 100% on target. hitech has left at least 1/3 of us behind just because we dont hav the equip to run the dam thing.(ah2 is the only piece of software i have tht wont run on my present puter) i have more thn enough equip (according to hitech) to run it, (not buyin new puter just for hitech either) but even after fdisk and clean install of xp, im doing good to pull 30fps (i pulled 60-70 in ah1), and for what ? a little bit of eye candy. seems like the operaters of online gaming always miss the obvious. had they simply read the ch1 txt buffer, they woulda known wht a mistake this "improved" version is. pretty sure im gonna join the rest of the dropouts at wb's. or alternativly just get drunk, smoke a doob, and remember the good times. just once id like to see a software developer completly debug a previous vers. before comin out w/a new one. but tht's buisiness in america these days, quality dont count fer chit. only way to send um the message in a way they can understand is to dump um. seeya steve.
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Originally posted by dsrtrat
There will be crying towels sold in the ladies washroom. Steve, you might want to have yours custom made.
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Later Steve. :lol Hope you didn't throw out your old Atari.
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Well, who would have thought it! I have been looking forward to the AH2 whinefest and account cancellation sulkfest, but who could ever have guessed that Steve would be the one to establish himself as the archetypal titty-baby-crying-whiner?! :eek::lol
So you're sorry you can't land 15 kills in your runstang? Whether AH2 has been a step forward or a step backward depends on what you want from it. I want a WW2 flight sim. For me, it has been a step forward. If all you want is a line-em-up-shoot-em-down arcade turkey shoot, I guess it's been a step back.
But really, Steve old chap. It ill behoves you to whine like this.
I have yet to log my first sortie since the beta ended. Sure, I'll get killed and I'll miss shots I thought were dead certs. But a lot of the crap will be gone - nikky helicopter spray shots, duck-n-tuck SpitV 800 yard cripple shots. I guess you should have done more reading about WW2, and read some of the accounts written by the pilots. The ones I've read all suggest that the AH1 gunnery was way too easy and unrealistic. W.A.D.R., it really just sounds like you're more of a video-gamer than a 'simmer.' U'll have fun at the arcade playing Asteroids -- you can't miss there.
LOL - I used to have a PC version of that asteroids game -my second favourite arcade game ever. AH1 was the first!:p:D
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I guess that for me the gunnery changes are good and bad.. I think it has given rise to the return of the fish out of water "floppy fish" move that was so popular in WB's but...
it is hard to feel sorry for the snipers who flew nothing but the fastest planes in the game and now are complaining that not having the huge advantage of gameing the game is ruining there online fun... You were sniping against people in lesser planes and able to create a risk free environment for yourself with little or no effort and it was further aided by long range gunnery... Now... you will have to have a little more SA... Loiter a little longer on target... lose some of the risk free behavior but..
you will still have the huge advantage of the fastest plane with good acceleration and climb and turn and... well a very good plane compared to the rest.
the new pee 51 is still the plane of choice for those who don't want to compete on an even basis... It is even better in some respects... you just lost a tiny bit in gunnery.
lazs
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Steve will be back. He's probably altready staring at his credit card, sweat beading on his forhead----hands trembling :p
when Steve does come back, it wont take long (IMO) before he will be landing 10 and 15 kills in his mustang again. He was the same in Air Warrior RR and carried that over to AH ( a bigger change than AH to AH2). And for those that think it's easy to take a Mustang and do what Steve consistanty does, you are kidding yourselves.
Laz, you think you could match Steve's K/D , hit % or K/T in a p-51? It's not the plane, it's the pilot. Not a lot of people can get the results that Steve consistantly does in a P-51.
The guy is good and more than able to adapt to the changes. I just think he was initially frustrated and maybe had a bad day.
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Originally posted by Steve
Mosq, I couldn't even SEE planes at 600-800. They were specks.
Now we are getting somewhere. What video resolution are you running in AHII?
Go offline and try 1024x768, or even 800x600. At 800x600 the planes are huge.
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Originally posted by NUKE
And for those that think it's easy to take a Mustang and do what Steve consistanty does, you are kidding yourselves.
Laz, you think you could match Steve's K/D , hit % or K/T in a p-51? It's not the plane, it's the pilot. Not a lot of people can get the results that Steve consistantly does in a P-51.
Bollocks, NUKE.
Those last two sentences contradict each other. You say that it's the pilot not the plane, and then quickly add that not many can do what Steve does in a P51, ie. you qualify the plane type having just said that it's the pilot that counts, not the plane. I once checked Steve's stats for other planes - particularly with regard to k/d, and found they were not much different from mine - worse in some cases. I agree with Lazs and I don't fly P51 for the reasons Lazs says: The P51 is the plane of choice for those who don't want to compete on an even basis. (Except in AH, there are so many others that pick the P51 that many fights will be P51 v P51.)
I say again - in WB the last time I flew the P51 I got a 27 kill streak and never even got pinged in the whole session. It was easy as pie. The only reason I was flying it was because of squad night, and I even asked my CO a little later if I could switch to F4U so that I could have a plane that provided a challenge.
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I didn't contradict myself with those last sentences Beetle, they actually support what I said.
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particularly with regard to k/d, and found they were not much different from mine - worse in some cases.
Beet, that's because w/ the other planes I do things like up capped bases, even vulched ones to get instant action...something I've never seen you do.
Now... you will have to have a little more SA...
My Sa was always fine, thanks.
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Go offline and try 1024x768, or even 800x600. At 800x600 the planes are huge.
Wait a second, are you kidding me? people were telling me to turn my resolution up! I had it at the second highest, then highest setting.
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say again - in WB the last time I flew the P51 I got a 27 kill streak and never even got pinged in the whole session. It was easy as pie. The only reason I was flying it was because of squad night, and I even asked my CO a little later if I could switch to F4U so that I could have a plane that provided a challenge.
Flying w/ a whole squad. You did it once... wow. I challeneged you time and again to do it in AH, you always ignored me or shrugged it off.
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T-bolt may be right though, maybe i'm a gamer and not a "simmer". Simmers love all that micromanaging of flight, I wasn't into all that. I'd like to have a beer while flying around shooting at pixels and goofing in the text buffer.
And, since this is a flight "sim" maybe in that regard AHII is a step forward and I'm just a dinosaur.
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Originally posted by Steve
Wait a second, are you kidding me? people were telling me to turn my resolution up! I had it at the second highest, then highest setting.
crap Steve, higher rez=smaller objects.
See you flying soon then?
And Beetle is full of carp. I was going to go into a more detailed defence of your skills, but it's not worth it.
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Nuke, don't sweat it. Beetle and I have gone rounds on this before. He's a good chap, just a little misinformed. I'm gonna wring his neck if he doesn't get that last sig line off though.
Edit: could I have doen something hasty or rash? You and Mosq are saying the planes and not just the text of the icons get bigger in smaller resolution?
Lol for those of you that know me, you know I am quite capable of this. You also know that when I feel I have made a mistake I admit it and take my lumps.
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yep, you made a mistake dik-nose.
Steve I know you so well that I predict you will be flying tonight :D
I like Beetle too b.t.w.
Call me about the trip if you get a chance.
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I noticed last night that my aim was off a bit; lots of assists or near-misses that baffled me. So I went off-line, turned on tracers, and adjusted my aim and convergence based on what I saw.
Todd.
I still had my convergence at 375-350-325. where did you finally settle on?
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Nuke, Mosq, etal. so just to be clear: If I had set my resolution lower the planes/objects would have gotten bigger, not just text?
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If I remember correctly when he came on he said he had dropped everything to 200 yards.
Steve, you put a few hours in I swear you'll like it. Give it a week, drink your beer and give it a shot.
Make sure it's cheep beer and you won't have a problem.
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Originally posted by NUKE
when Steve does come back, it wont take long (IMO) before he will be landing 10 and 15 kills in his mustang again.
Not shooting at 600yds+ he won't. :D
Steve, you know I love you too. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/8/8_8_10.gif)
But if you're as good as NUKE says you are, you're quite capable of adjusting to AH2. I cannot believe that you of all people would simply bag it. You should confine your running to your P51. :lol;):)
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Beet, I'm not speaking to you til you get that last sig off. I make a big enough boob of myself on my own without your help.
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Steve - sign up as Steve2 in AH2, and I'll edit the sig.
Oh, er... and you have to fly 3 109E sorties too! :rofl
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
It must hurt to go from 1st to just-like-everyone-else, eh? :rolleyes:
Whiner.
LOL....so true.
Adapt and overcome.
Or whine and begone.
AH2 is a blast, got back into my grove after just a few days.
The update cycle has been put into gear and AH2 will only get better as time passes.
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Not shooting at 600yds+ he won't.
Agreed, I never fired til they were w/in 400 though, unless I was trying to catch a fast plane by forcing them to evade. *
*Exception: There was that rare time when a faster plane would run away "Straight and level" It was always fun to pour lead into them at 800 to 1k out.
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Thanks, Lars. you're a big help.
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Originally posted by MrLars
The update cycle has been put into gear and AH2 will only get better as time passes.
I missed that. We're going to have continual updates again. Once it gets rolling it's gonna rock.
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Originally posted by Steve
Nuke, Mosq, etal. so just to be clear: If I had set my resolution lower the planes/objects would have gotten bigger, not just text?
Yes, Steve
It helped me to turn off tracers also
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Originally posted by Steve
AKAK I tried Beta several times and had the same concerns throughout.
Bah! Don't quit over one night's bad shooting make you quit. My gunnery is back to n00b levels and it's a pisser but it's something that will return to normal in a week or so. You just have to get used to it and the flying part is still the same.
ack-ack
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OK, what about the slider bar in Video settings: "displayed object size". Will someone please tell me exactly what that pertains to?
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Originally posted by Steve
Todd.
I still had my convergence at 375-350-325. where did you finally settle on?
I changed everything from 325-300 for the .303s and 275 for the 20mm cannons (the default convergence settings for the Spit V/Seafire) and brought them all in to 200 yards without any staggering. Due to the higher hit resolution, wing-mounted guns no longer seem to enjoy a real shotgun effect across a large area. If you're not hitting with lots of lead in one spot, the other plane just will not sustain critical damage.
After doing this and making sure my snapshot aim was where I liked it, I turned tracers back off and went online. I noticed an immediate and substantial increase in hit percentage and lethality. My first sortie up, I killed four guys within 30 seconds on the exact same kind of blind snapshots that weren't working for me earlier.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Any change will make some people unhappy.
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Originally posted by Steve
T-bolt may be right though, maybe i'm a gamer and not a "simmer". Simmers love all that micromanaging of flight, I wasn't into all that. I'd like to have a beer while flying around shooting at pixels and goofing in the text buffer.
And, since this is a flight "sim" maybe in that regard AHII is a step forward and I'm just a dinosaur.
Steve,
The great thing about AH2, though, is that there is room for both the simmer and the video-gamer. Believe me, until AH pilots have to practice serious engine management, constantly trim each time we change our RPM, manually switch fuel tanks, never have the option to use auto-take off or auto-climb, AH is about as gamey as a 'sim' is gonna get.
It sounds like you were using the worst possible screen res; that would frustrate anyone. Now, you just gotta put in some seat time & pretty soon you'll be back to your own self @ the top of the dog pile.
So, from the rest of us who will ALWAYS just suck, allow me to say <<<>>>> before you get too big headed & famous. :D :lol
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Originally posted by Steve
Nuke, Mosq, etal. so just to be clear: If I had set my resolution lower the planes/objects would have gotten bigger, not just text?
Planes will be bigger; but more "blockier"; that's to say; at lower resolutions the visual object will fill a physicaly larger screen area; but have jagged edges.
People are going all gooey over high resolutions because with a BIG screen and a high resolution you can see every little detail
But I don't care if I can count the rivets from 600 yrds; I just want to make sure I can hit SOMETHING at 400; hence; for me; 1074 is my upper limit on a 17" monitor.
You may well wish to experiment with 800 (chances are you'll get more FPS too).
I think displayed object size relates to hangers and the like; but I'm not really sure.
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Steve,
Ah, so you're showing some interest in settings etc. When can we expect you back?
Still, this whole debacle has revealed a new dimension in AH whinery. You're never going to live this down. You know that, don't you? TBCW personified! :lol
Steve in the ladies washroom yesterday
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Originally posted by Steve
Todd.
I still had my convergence at 375-350-325. where did you finally settle on?
I'll agree with what DMF said in his post. The new hit model really means you have to hit your target dead on or you dont get much effect.
In AH1 the hit resolution was very low, this meant you did not have to hit the plane in order to do damage. It was effectivly a "hit bubble."
In AH2 the hit resolution is much higher which means that you must hit the plane and the close shots are not good enough.
So now if you spread your convergence across three ranges of 75 feet each, 75 feet is a lot, you may only be hitting with a few of your guns at any given range for a small target.
In AH1 you would probably hit with all of them. In AH1 this was a crutch, it was a fake advantage and now its gone.
Set your convergence to 200 or 300 yards on all guns and try it again please.
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You're never going to live this down. You know that, don't you?
Well, I'll take my lumps if it turns out I had my res too high... and lumps, and lumps, and lumps. I'm used to it though, my life is rife w/ mistakes... I just try not to repeat them. Oh, and I'm not talking to you.
ut I don't care if I can count the rivets from 600 yrds; I just want to make sure I can hit SOMETHING at 400;
AMEN!
FWIW I have a 19" monitor... but it is an old (5 years I bet) monitor. The DP is pretty good but it is an old cheapie Arcus that will not die. As silly as this sounds, will a new monitor w/ a similar DP improve graphics quality?
allow me to say <<<>>>> before you get too big headed & famous.
lol, if I make it back three is no need. Not only could I not hit anything, I never lived to land. lol I'll be a nice, fat, juicy, toothless target for you.
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In AH1 you would probably hit with all of them.
well you're right. and even w/ my shotgun convergence at anything under about 450 I could snipe off specific parts. It's why my hit % was never over 18 or so. I was shooting at wingtips, tails.
In AHII I could have shot at Godzilla at 50 yards and missed :D
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Any change will make some people unhappy.
Thanks for piping in Fariz... although this doesn't apply to me.
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Originally posted by Steve
FWIW I have a 19" monitor... but it is an old (5 years I bet) monitor. The DP is pretty good but it is an old cheapie Arcus that will not die. As silly as this sounds, will a new monitor w/ a similar DP improve graphics quality?
Well Steve, a lot of us were having these upgrade discussions way back last October time. Check the H/S forum. I posted this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100237) thread about monitors. What I had read on the BBS up to that point was that it's not much use having a top end video card if your monitor does not have the refresh rate to realise the video card performance. For that reason, I upgraded to my current iiyama VisionMaster Pro-454 which was recommended by Nexx/Replicant.
So if your monitor is 5 years old it probably has a crappy refresh rate, and you're not getting the best out of your vid-card.
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Originally posted by Steve
well you're right. and even w/ my shotgun convergence at anything under about 450 I could snipe off specific parts. It's why my hit % was never over 18 or so. I was shooting at wingtips, tails.
In AHII I could have shot at Godzilla at 50 yards and missed :D
Now you have to be mindful of your wing gun convergence settings.
At 50 yards with your convergence its very likely that you are shotting around your taget. Thats a big disadvantage of wing mounted guns.
In AH1 this wasnt a problem because you basically had a sort of "hit bubble" due to a low hit resolution setting which was actually larger than the target plane so near miisses were counted as hits. Now you have to hit the actual body of the plane.
Set convergence to one point at 200 ot 300 yards and try again.
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Excuse me gents, but would any of you mind posting a few screenies or vid of the icon thing that is causing Steve to take the bus?
Sorry, but the windows puter i have atm is not good enough to see for myslef...thx
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Nilsen was your kid born on May 2nd?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Steve - sign up as Steve2 in AH2, and I'll edit the sig.
Oh, er... and you have to fly 3 109E sorties too! :rofl
the 109E is GREAT in AHII.......:D
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Originally posted by MrLars
The update cycle has been put into gear and AH2 will only get better as time passes.
That's the best part of AH.. all the new toys and enhancements. It's like xmas every month for simmers.
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Lol sign back up. You guys are so forgiving. I eat a lot of crow... you'd think I'd get used to it.
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Originally posted by TW9
explain how this could happen.. considering the width of the enemy plane isnt goin to be drastically less than the width between the wing mounted guns if it is at all, and the fact that the rd's merge closer up until whatever ur convergence is set at.. Not till then will they begin to spread.. The enemy aircraft would have to be a considerable distance beyond the convergence of the rds for them to go around an aircraft..
Imo its probably just a lead thing that takes some getting used to..
Very simple.
Now we have a much higher resolution hit model, ie you really have to hit thev 3D shape to score hits and do damage. This was not exactly the case in AH1, where near misses often counted as hits.
So with that in mind you will get more misses when you shoot at a plane especially with wing mounted guns because gun batteries are so far apart and and cover only a small field of fire.
Therefore the old "shotgun" method is far less effective baecuse now rounds will miss more often and not do critical damage.
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Originally posted by Steve
Lol sign back up. You guys are so forgiving. I eat a lot of crow... you'd think I'd get used to it.
Yea honestly you would get some watermelon from people. :D
But thats why we want you back.. I mean that and uhhhm so you can have fun with the game, yea that too. ;)
But it's gonna be a lot easier to get back in right now rather than under some alias when you finally cave in next month. :)
And yea I think you will get used to the AH2 in a few weeks..
So you back Steve?
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Stop kissin his arse Grun, Steve knows he's king dik-nose.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Stop kissin his arse Grun, Steve knows he's king dik-nose.
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What? I'm just being honest as to the fact that I think its dumb thast he quit for the above stated reasons. The only difference is that I'm expressing that opinion constructively.. For some reason I'm in a good mood today. :)
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Originally posted by Steve
Lol sign back up. You guys are so forgiving. I eat a lot of crow... you'd think I'd get used to it.
About time, now get in there and relearn how to pick cherries. :rolleyes:
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The gunnery is more fun for me...An advantage for people with good flying skills and a disadvantage for the lucky long range/spray and prayers(and snapshot/HO artists).
The stall/spin model is finally where I always thought it should be.
Two HUGE improvements over AH1 imho.
Btw..My first sorte landed 11 kills F4ud:D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No they aren't. And I think you know that too. Put in two weeks at it, and you'll be just fine. I noticed last night that my aim was off a bit; lots of assists or near-misses that baffled me. So I went off-line, turned on tracers, and adjusted my aim and convergence based on what I saw.
Shotgun blast kills with wing-mounted guns have become more difficult, so I made every gun converge to a pinpoint at the same distance, and I pulled that distance in an extra 100 yards over where I'd had it before. The result was that I seemed to hit with much, much more lethality for the rest of the evening, and my aim improved dramatically.
So before giving up entirely, why not tinker with convergance and aim offline? A few simple adjustments could make all the difference in the world.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Same experience I had in the 190s. Couldn't hit jack, pulled the convergence in on the wing guns to 225 yards as opposed to 300 and presto.. I'm landing snapshots again.
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theres alot of things i dont like on ahII but im gonna stick with it. make the best of it. ive tried to make a game.. its hard work.
i respect htc greatly:aok
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Originally posted by TW9
explain how this could happen.. considering the width of the enemy plane isnt goin to be drastically less than the width between the wing mounted guns if it is at all, and the fact that the rd's merge closer up until whatever ur convergence is set at.. Not till then will they begin to spread.. The enemy aircraft would have to be a considerable distance beyond the convergence of the rds for them to go around an aircraft..
Imo its probably just a lead thing that takes some getting used to..
Well.. this is how I see it. Please pardon my godawful ASCII art, but I cant think of an easier way to show it.
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----x-----x------O--------x-----x----
Do me a favor and pretend that is a plane. Now pretend you are in a plane just like it, with wing mounted guns where I put the X's on the wings. You have your convergence set to 400 yards (a somewhat typical setting in AH1, maybe even on the short side for some spray and prayers). This means that the bullets coming out of those X's will hit the same spot in front of your nose (the circle) at a range of 400 yards. At 800 yards they would be diverging and would actually cross the wing and land on the barrel of the gun on the other wing (outside to outside, inside to inside). Now imagine that the plane you are firing at (which is identical to yours) is 200 yards in front of you. Unless you are *perfectly* aligned with that plane, at least 3 of your 4 guns are going to miss. More than likely all 4 will miss. Imagine if you were perfectly aligned with him but 5 feet above him. Well, all your bullets pass 5 feet above his wing, on either side of his little circular fuselage.
Now imagine that your convergence is set to 200 yards, where you open fire. Now, you are aiming at the middle of the little circular fuselage, and that is where your bullets are actually going. So even if your aim is a little off, your rounds have a better chance of hitting the plane because there will be a concentration of rounds in the same general vicinity as the enemies plane.
Thats a laymans explanation, but then... I'm a layman. Hope it helps.
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Steve,
High Resolutions = smaller enemy planes. But they are smoother and prettier little specks.
This is made up for with 21" monitors. Larger screens make larger planes.
Low resolution = Bigger enemy planes. Not as pretty as the hi res ones.
Now for me: 50 year old eyes means 21" monitor AND 1024x768 or I couldn't see a darn thing but "specks".
That's how I knew what the problem was when you said "Mosq, I couldn't even SEE planes at 600-800. They were specks."
Try 800 x 600 offline and tell us if they are specks at 600.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERTZ
Nilsen was your kid born on May 2nd?
yup :)
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Gonna miss the verbal barbs from Steve, on chn1. Oh thats right,
thats gone too. Yeah yeah, but tune to chn 200. I'ts not the same.
I hate the icons as well.
I hate the gunnery. Hit % down 5%. In 2 days. (when the AH1 numbers were transferd)
I hate the friggen oil streaks on the windscreen.
I dont like the idea of more "realism" being employed in the game.
I'ts just a game, if I want realism I will get my own plane and do air racing.
I cant think of too many "improvements" to the game thus far, but I'll stick around a wee bit longer to see if HT can change my mind.
Oh I did like the blood from the pilot wound. 1 improvement!
Look I know alot of you are gonna flame me just like you did Steve. Good for you, and I'm glad you like the so called improvements to the game.(Butt kissin at its best) But as it is now, over all, I do not like the game as much as before. Maybe that will change, maybe it wont, but I'll give some more time before I opt out.
Besides, its only 15 bucks.
Bye Steve, see ya somewhere, I'm sure.
ZZ3
Athlon 64 3400
MSI K8TNEO
ATI 9800 PRO
1gig Corsair XMS DDR 400
SB Audigy 2 ZS
DSL
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what kind of framerates do you get with that system ZZ3 ?
im going for a 64bit 2800 processor myself but the ati800pro
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Originally posted by ZZ3
I hate the friggen oil streaks on the windscreen.
I dont like the idea of more "realism" being employed in the game.
I'ts just a game, if I want realism I will get my own plane and do air racing.
Makes me wonder why you picked a game like AH. Aces High is a WW2 Combat Simulation. Oil leaks happened in WW2.
If you had half an interest in WW2, you would embrace the changes that have been made. If you are NOT interested in all that WW2 stuff, perhaps you would be happier with another game, like Quake or Doom.
In AH1 the simmers were whining about the gaminess we saw. In AH2 the gamers are whining about WW2/realism.
Looks like the whine has been moved to the other side of the fence. :lol
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Originally posted by beet1e
Makes me wonder why you picked a game like AH. Aces High is a WW2 Combat Simulation. Oil leaks happened in WW2.
If you had half an interest in WW2, you would embrace the changes that have been made. If you are NOT interested in all that WW2 stuff, perhaps you would be happier with another game, like Quake or Doom.
In AH1 the simmers were whining about the gaminess we saw. In AH2 the gamers are whining about WW2/realism.
Looks like the whine has been moved to the other side of the fence. :lol
bottom line is...there will ALWAYS be whiners and there should be. Nothing evolves if everyone is happy with things the way they are. There was whining about my hat, and i removed it....progress :D
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Originally posted by beet1e
Looks like the whine has been moved to the other side of the fence. :lol
:lol
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I just logged off AH2 this morning after i put six rockets and god knows how many 50 cals on a single ack gun and notta. Considering the usual hostilities of the BB's here I almost hate to say it, but I don't like AH2. Frame rate goes from 85 to 20 in a spilt second, icon range goes from 1000 to 200 before I have a chance to react, half my squad is gone, unable to make the upgrades. I can see through mountains in patches, the trees offer no cover for GV's, one hit to the engine and your cockpit is covered in slime, the ground details appear magically unrolling out like shelf paper... it's buggy, way too graphics dependent/intensive, and I think Steve had a point with the realism vs playability. Yes this game is a sim, but I think they have taken the realism too far given the limitations of systems and connections. If I had T3 and a super computer, I might think differently, but I didn't have a problem with AH1. I am more than willing to give this version a chance, and I will continue to play the game but it is turning from a fun gaming experience to a unpleasant struggle to hit and or kill anything. I think the new graphic engine isa problem rather than an improvement, and I hate to loose so many players, I'll give it a shot, but I honestly don't like it.
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Originally posted by tzr
Yes, Steve
It helped me to turn off tracers also
hehe me too!
Now I can almost hit a Lanc from D200!:(
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Originally posted by twitchy
I think the new graphic engine isa problem rather than an improvement, and I hate to loose so many players, I'll give it a shot, but I honestly don't like it.
If someone were to say, "...AH2 was released way too soon," I would agree w/out hesitation. I think this thing should still be in Beta. HOWEVER, I'm gonna guess that HT & crew made AH2 as compatible as it's going to get; anyone that simply can't run the game in a semi-decent way just isn't going to cut it in any future updates.
HTC has a plan. Don't write-off the game already...it's still the first week of prime time. :lol
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Totally agree with Steve, Let HT offer a choice AH 1 or AH 2 and see who plays were.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Totally agree with Steve, Let HT offer a choice AH 1 or AH 2 and see who plays were.
Dont you think that would weaken the game by spreading the players over 2 MA's ?
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Whining at its best or should I say worst.... nothing is constant in life but change.... welcome to life I say....
~Birdo
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You don't offer choices and you don't split arenas fellas.
It's been tried, and it's a total and ABSOLUTE failure.
WB has 80 primetime Friday night in their Main as a testiment to that FACT.
You had to wait to GET IN at one time. ( Dale was runnin the show ;) )
Is it that cheese on top of your neck ??
Keeping your eyes open is a necessity when you make the world go round..
..and it helps with keeping up on the plane payments.
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So the number of people we have lost because of AH2 hasn't weakin the game?
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AH1 had and old graphic engine, not to mention other things that weren't available it it's present form.
It was a few YEARS behind the times. By having a new engine all the bells and whistles that are the norm NOW can be added once it's running smoothly.
It's still behind, but it HAS to be to appeal to those without the juice. Wanna have an online game where you need a screamer to run it ?? Not practical when it comes to the bottom line.
But you have to draw the line on a minimum juice to play. The line has been raised with a year and half warning.
You lose some, the potential for gain far outways the loss.
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Whining at its best or should I say worst.... nothing is constant in life but change.... welcome to life I say
I don't really care much what you say.
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so steve did you delete your account? I dont wanna go thru 4 pages of posts. If you did are you comming back?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Play Il2 AEP for 8 weeks - Ah2 is pretty easy after that.
true
:aok
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so steve did you delete your account?
Yes, I did. If you are having any trouble w/ icons or gunnery you may want to peruse the thread. Some of the gang gave what sound like really helpful pointers.
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Originally posted by Steve
Yes, I did. If you are having any trouble w/ icons or gunnery you may want to peruse the thread. Some of the gang gave what sound like really helpful pointers.
I thought you said earlier that you re-instated your account. :confused:
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Honestly I have been reading over the thread here... I have to say something on the Icon topic... The way I look at it is, if you have to look at the number on the icon.... your still to far out for a shot... From what I have heard that in ww2 they used to fill the gunsight with the plane and take the shot... granted that having that number is a plus... but I don't think it is necessary...
Sorry to see you go Steve... I went head to head with you early in my AH career... 51 to 51 it was a pretty good fight... but stinks coming out in the chute in the end... as I did... Good Luck
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Nilsen...
I get ave 150fps, and I run the sliders more to the left. When there isnt much to render like being over water, or high alt, iget over 200fps.
beet1e...
I could care less what you bring to the conversation. All you do is belittle anyone who has a difference of opinion.
Perhaps you could try to bring up your point and discuss it in a manner thats repectful. But all you do is mudsling.
ZZ3
Athlon 64 3400
MSI K8TNEO
ATI 9800 PRO
1gig Corsair XMS DDR 400
SB Audigy 2 ZS
DSL
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Originally posted by Steve
Yes, I did. If you are having any trouble w/ icons or gunnery you may want to peruse the thread. Some of the gang gave what sound like really helpful pointers.
Thanks anyway but, I been playing since beta 9 and got all that already sorted out;)
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Hi all it's nice to be back and hear all the same old BS is still around lol. I remember when FiLtH, Jag15 and I 1st switched to FR in AW and could not turn my plane without stalling and dieing right after take off. Filth couldn’t even fight in a fighter and was a bomber pilot and now is one of the best fighter pilots in the community.
Those that remember me from AW knew what they had a good fight coming and I was good and cocky at the time. I didn’t realize it at the time that I could be a smacktard talking all that BS because I was good and had nothing else to learn in the game and started talking BS instead of flying. What it really was is that I was getting bored and didn’t even know it and just stopped flying after AW. I haven’t flown in the past 5 yrs and now I am back and feel like I am new at it again. Now that I have matured I know where the real fun is (learning, and having new challenges to over come without it, it’s just a game) So don’t be stupid like I was and let your ego get in the way and you will have more fun in the long run trust me.
I didn’t realize what good people I had meet in AW till I came to AH2 and all the old names that I shot down many of times and talked BS to are here and are willing to help me have fun and learn again. Thanks for helping me in the game now and forgetting any stupid comments that I have maybe said in the past 8). I salute you and thank you for your help in AH2 and my growth as a person in this community. ( You know who you are friends and foe's a like)
I am having a lot of fun even if you are shooting me down now Salute 8). I could care less if there were no icon ranges at all it will make the game more fun and lasting longer in the long run and this is what will make it a great game trust me. Well enjoy killing me while it last because the rust is wearing off fast and these game improvements will even make me better than I was while having fun doing it.
I think its great seeing all the old names in AH2 that I knew in AW and respect that you are still around flying and having fun.
BTW if I do slip and say something stupid just remember that it isn’t you so don’t take it personal. It’s just me being stupid for something I did stupid and was frustrated.
Salute all iKo
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iko, maybe I left at the right time. I haven't seen anyone stroke themselves so much since I watched a behind the scenes documentary of a porn movie.
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Well Steve don’t even really know you but now that you have shown your real maturity the community sounds like its better off without you. Sorry to see you go I am going to miss all the whining it sounds like your capable off doing. I can always use a good laugh.
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Iko, your scores... yikes.
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Sorry but I never really was in to the score thing and probly will never be. I dont have the time to play as much as I would like do to real life. Thats way i stoped playing WW2 online takes to long. What I really like is just turning and burning in a good fight with a good pilot till i am dead, out of ammo or kill my nme. 8) This is what I have funing doing to each his own. Specially when I am the one paying on the account lol.
BTW like I said I can admit I am very very rusty and any pointers would be takin kindly its been a long time but it will wear off. The old timers will understand and the people that dont know me will think i am probly just full of it lol. But time will tell.
Happy hunting
iKo
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Totally agree with Steve, Let HT offer a choice AH 1 or AH 2 and see who plays were.
Better yet, why don't you offer to pay for the cost of hosting and maintaining AH1? I'm sure then HT might be willing to listen.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Sooner00
So the number of people we have lost because of AH2 hasn't weakin the game?
you don't think for anyone that leaves there isn't a warm body to fill the empty slot?
does anyone realize what happens to an online game that doesn't stay current or evolve?
do you know what it takes to maintain two seperate online games?
ack-ack
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one warm body reporting for duty lol brought 3 others with me to 8)
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does anyone realize what happens to an online game that doesn't stay current or evolve?
It's true, for this as in any business: If you're not growing, you're shrinking to extinction as others gobble up your market share. Change is good but not all changes are good.
AKAK I don't have a problem with the new system requirements for AH2.. as I stated I spent several hundred $'s upgrading specifically for AH2. New Fm's mean to challenges sure, but there are probably new tricks to learn as well... no problem there.
I don't care for the icon counter range. I strongly feel that the detailed icon counter range was a worthy sacrifice of reality for playability... now more than ever since gunnery has become more difficult.
Others like it and that's great for them. I think it is a little childish to call someone a whiner simply because they have a dissenting opinion.
Iko, you talk about how you've matured... and also mentioned something about mine(which was completely non-sensical since all I was doing was voicing my opinion.)
You're either an idiot, a child or both. Get on topic or get out of this thread.
Edit: The idea to keep both AHI and AHII online came w/ noble intentions from those who suggested it... an idea to keep everyone happy. I agree that it is not a good idea nor is it probably feasible for reasons that folks have mentioned. I hope Dale and Co. make some tweaks(hint for HT: Icon range!) that will help playbility. Again, this is just my opinion. I accept that others think all the recent changes are for the better and I also respect their position on this.
I do feel bad that some people w/ old equipment cannot play AHII but those who mentioned that AHII isn't any more demanding than any other recent release are correct. I think it is unreasonable for these people(oldre machine owners) to expect HT to bring out a game that is behind the curve graphically and otherwise to accomodate machines that should perhaps be put to rest or upgraded. I'm sorry if this seems harsh. I hope everyone that wants to play gets their PC's up to speed.
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ZZ3 – sorry, didn’t want to sound patronising, but I genuinely feel that if you dislike WW2 realism, a WW2 combat sim is an unusual choice of game out of the ones available. That’s all.
My biggest disappointment with AH2 is that Steve has bagged it. Up until now, I had been speaking about AH2 based on time in the various beta versions. Last night was the first time I played the 2.0 production version. I flew off the CV all the time in Hogs – both C and D. I want to practise the gunnery in those first, and will then try out the more difficult cannon armed planes like 109. As expected, I died quite a lot, but got lots of kills too. I was trying out different moves against adversaries to see what I could and couldn’t get away with.
There’s nothing wrong with the gunnery! The only slight difficulty I have is judging the distance with the new ranging system, because 400 yards is too far, and 200 is starting to get too close! I tried some S&P shots at 400/600yds. Got occasional hits as expected, but no blasting wings off at that range, which is as it should be. Some of the old gamey tactics are gone, like the N1K helicopter 800yd vertical spray shots, and that is a good thing. The buff gunners’ 1400yd laser beams seem to have been toned down.
I had two thoroughly enjoyable sessions yesterday, and will definitely be coming back for more. Originally, I had been disappointed about TOD not being part of AH2, but the revisions that set AH2 apart from AH1 have put paid to much of the old gamey crap we used to see in AH1, so my disappointment has been allayed considerably.
Now come on, Steve. Stop being a TBCW poofta. I know that there are difficulties for some with the required hardware upgrade(s) but I don’t think you’re affected by those difficulties. Go offline and practise shooting at 300yds or less. Get into the MA and show a little humility. You might have to die to dweebs like me. Swallow your pride. I realise that in your case that’s a meal that may require several sittings. :lol;) If you can’t do that, then just start up a 2-week account so you can die anonymously. Admittedly, cherry picking could well be a lot harder. Deal with it. But don’t bag it, else I’ll have to come over there to wring your neck! I'm even going to make it easier for you by changing the colour of that quote you don't like. When you get back, I'll delete it altogether.
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The only slight difficulty I have is judging the distance with the new ranging system, because 400 yards is too far, and 200 is starting to get too close!
Beet, what do you think about the old icon ranging system from AHI being plugged into AHII for arguments that I've mentioned?
Swallow your pride. I realise that in your case that’s a meal that may require several sittings.
Good shot... this is just plain funny. :lol
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Beet, what do you think about the old icon ranging system from AHI being plugged into AHII for arguments that I've mentioned?
Why ?
I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you.
The new system gives all the info required, the range is nailed down to within 200 yds, its still pretty obvious whether your closing or losing on the target.
If you feel the need to range at eg 500 yds then just go offline follow a drone and adjust your gunsite until wingspan matches outer ring, if you dont have 1 then try making a sight that works for you.
Personally if i was estimating ranges for real it would be in the form 2 to 300 yds or 5 to 600 yds not 653 followed by 652 followed by 651 yds.
The only reason i can see, that may be why you do not like the new system, is it does not give you exact rate of closure info.
This would not affect people who are willing to get close to the target as they can get this info from aircraft size, however if you are used to picking off targets at ranges of 600 to 800 yds then i concede you are going to have problems.
But should HT change the ranging system back because one person stomps his feet, throws a paddy and deletes his account ?
I don't think so.
Having said all that i can respect any decision you or others make as to whether AH2 is the game for you.
But i will join the others who say give it a fair go before committing to leaving.
Playing it for one night and deciding to dump AH2 is kinda extreme.
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Yet another drama queen seeking attention from the masses :rolleyes:
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So my 15 bucks a month for the past year and a half didn't pay for AH 1 ??? All I am saying is give me a choice!!!!!
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Originally posted by Steve
AKAK I don't have a problem with the new system requirements for AH2.. as I stated I spent several hundred $'s upgrading specifically for AH2. New Fm's mean to challenges sure, but there are probably new tricks to learn as well... no problem there.
This might help with gunnery. I know it sounds silly, but turn your tracers back on. I kept them off in AH2 since that's how I few in AH1 but with my gunnery dropping down to 1% at one point, I was hurting.
I accidentally left my tracers on after playing in a manned ack and flew with them on. I don't know why but this time the tracers actually helped and I was able to score hits regularly on the bandit. Just remember to use the gunsight to lead the target and not the tracers.
ack-ack
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And my the way the number playing have been way down from what I have seen. My squad numbers are down at least a 3rd, closer to half really. Let HT sell AH1 and complete with AH 2, I bet it would put AH2 out of business.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
So my 15 bucks a month for the past year and a half didn't pay for AH 1 ??? All I am saying is give me a choice!!!!!
you do have a choice...play or not play.
ack-ack
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Why in the world does people personally jump on someone for stating their opinion?? I don't need you to tell me my choices dik!!
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hehehe
funny thread - thanks for the laughs :)
ah2 is just the begining, the platform for TOD
bye bye AH1
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The only problem I've encountered with the new ranging system is that it is possible, under conditions of low visibility, (i.e., low con blending into ground detail) for a con to suddenly reverse and attack you head on before you realize what's happening. The old ranging system made that easier to spot.
However, this keeps you on your toes.
The spray and pray crowd that like to fly fighters with multiple hizookas are gonna have a difficult time adjusting. Pinging an enemy con at distances beyond 1k is considerably more difficult...AS IT SHOULD BE! We've all been in situations where we were trying to extend and had some dweeb fire off half their ammunition load trying to ping off some vital part at distances where they had to use zoom to identify us an aircraft. (The use of zoom views in an aerial combat sim has never made any sense to me.)
As a result of these changes, I am finding that evasive maneuvers are much more effective than they have been in the past. Unless the enemy con that jumps me is flown by a better pilot, I now have a real chance of surviving the encounter. Again, this is AS IT SHOULD BE!
The gameyness is largely gone. The sim is now more realistic...and it is really not more difficult to play.
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Yo, Steve. In addition to the screen res tips.....
Look down and to the left. Note the "Z" key.
Use it when yer engaged and about to close to guns range.
culero (old and getting weak of eye, too ;) )
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Play Il2 AEP for 8 weeks - Ah2 is pretty easy after that.
hit the nail on the head there!
IL2 FB AEP is superb. More beautiful, better gunnery and damage model, supports TrackIr mouse look, has complex engine management and using hyperlobby you can find loads of games.Theres even 24/7 servers running wars, you do a good mission it affects the next one. its great
The only thing it cant touch though is the number of players online in one arena. AH always had the best server for numbers and so always will be easier to use if you like to find a fight quick.
If your thing is playing a bitmore realistically then you either have to wait for the promised TOD or try your hand with IL2 FB AEP.
Theres actually room for both i think,
I'll use AH for dogfighting and IL2 for jabo missions / bombing / flying in realistic manner / scenarios. it works out quite well.
Steve if you play JUST AH you WILL burn out at some point. Its impossible for HTC to please everyone all the time.Take a month off, maybe try IL2 or maybe lock-on, then come back and play AH again.
Ive taken a break ,and had a HD crash and lost all my settings, bought a new joystick (X45) , bought trackIR, played IL2 FB AEP, and now im playing AH2 now its released properly. It has become a novel new game almost and it does look better , flies better and has lots of the best bits kept in from AH whilst updating much that needed it. Ive spread my attention between several games and it has helped me enjoy all of them not get frustrated by just one.
good luck steve.
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Saying that numbers are down and people are leaving appears to be true, but as the word goes out new players and old who have left will return and the numbers will surge back up past the old totals if HT has done his job right.
I've already seen some old players in the arena who had been gone for awhile.
Oops I'm one of them +)
My only beef is the game doesn't seem to have changed quite enough. It isn't offering much if anything new to learn. Well the new terrain is just great for gv's, makes it a whole new game in that respect. +)
SKurj
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I have room for both games
AH2 does have a bigger arena and u can landgrab play in gv's any many more.
Il2 does have smalller maps but there isn't radar so realism is biginning with this.
Than there is a better damage model u really have to shoot the crap out of an nme plane to kill it. But a well places shot might give u some luck at times.
The graphics are awesome and gives a real feeling like ww2 footage, at least i do.
AH2 doesn't make it in graphics but i bet it can do more than u see now.
In Il2 u can expect the nme coming from some direction. In AH they can come from a lot more directons (more fields).
The bigger map and the bigger crowd gives it more dynamic.
When i started to really play Il2 because of the p38 added . I got dissapointed on the fm and gunnery because i was so used to AH.
But after indeed about 8 weeks u get used to it. I now can do multiple kills and land em. Somehow it's an another kind of challenge.
The point is don't give up to early
That's the same as losing.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
I don't need you to tell me my choices dik!!
Apparantly you did.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Steve
Beet, what do you think about the old icon ranging system from AHI being plugged into AHII for arguments that I've mentioned?
Nothing to add to what the others have said since you asked. The RL pilots of WW2 didn't have ranging software, head up displays etc. They had a gunsight - that was it. The icon/range thing in flight sims is, IMO, a concession to the fact that we are playing a GAME on a computer screen. It is necessary. I tried the Dotbirds experiment and didn't like it. I wouldn't like I|2 if it has no icons at all.
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No the Thread was "Deleted my account" based on a flight model and damage model that is not as much fun as AH 1. The icon range counter is more realism, its a computer game and if some dont find it as much fun than so be it. Weather I play or not is my choice, and weather AH 2 changes for the better or not is HT's choice. Its base on what each person enjoys or not. On that note if AH 2 remains the same I will Delete my account also. So this play or leave stuff has no place on this thread.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Weather I play or not is my choice
Well, there you have it. I'm glad we had this talk.
-Sik
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Sikboy, for someone that only has flown 3 hrs 8 mins 40 sec. in Tour 53 has no place making comments on this thread.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Sikboy, for someone that only has flown 3 hrs 8 mins 40 sec. in Tour 53 has no place making comments on this thread.
Huh?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Sikboy, for someone that only has flown 3 hrs 8 mins 40 sec. in Tour 53 has no place making comments on this thread.
I think you're right. I shouldn't have been wasting my time in the Beta arena learning the new system when I could have been racking up quality time in AHI so that I could earn membership in this thread :rolleyes:
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sooner00
No the Thread was "Deleted my account" based on a flight model and damage model that is not as much fun as AH 1. The icon range counter is more realism, its a computer game and if some dont find it as much fun than so be it. Weather I play or not is my choice, and weather AH 2 changes for the better or not is HT's choice. Its base on what each person enjoys or not. On that note if AH 2 remains the same I will Delete my account also. So this play or leave stuff has no place on this thread.
I think that Sikboy's underlying intent was that HT IS NOT going to change it ... he may tweak it ... but he ain't gonna change it.
With that in mind and what you have said above, then you still have the same 2 choices ... play or don't.
I have 18:29:32 hours ... and Levi has 16:46:31 hours ... compared to your 62:41:47 hours ... I hope that qualifies our existence in this thread.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The gameyness is largely gone. The sim is now more realistic...and it is really not more difficult to play.
Excellent observation Shuckins.
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Originally posted by culero
Yo, Steve. In addition to the screen res tips.....
Look down and to the left. Note the "Z" key.
Use it when yer engaged and about to close to guns range.
culero (old and getting weak of eye, too ;) )
CULERO! Ya old fart, give 'Becca a hug for me :c)
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Play Il2 AEP for 8 weeks - Ah2 is pretty easy after that.
I'll second that! I've been playing Il-2 AEP for a little while and there are no icons. You have to have excellent aircraft recongnition in that game. No little red flags to help you out. No sight directly behind you. It's a tougher game and much more realistic than AH1 or 2.
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Tour 53 includes the last several days of AH 2, just don't see how 3 hrs with AH2 as the MA gives anyone a place to comment on game play. I think his intend was to be a smart- _ _ _. I hope it is tweaked, maybe it will be fun again, the point of this thread, fun again or I look for another game to play.
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Originally posted by 2stony
I'll second that! I've been playing Il-2 AEP for a little while and there are no icons. You have to have excellent aircraft recongnition in that game. No little red flags to help you out. No sight directly behind you. It's a tougher game and much more realistic than AH1 or 2.
:eek:
lol like to see a week in MA with friendly only icons on....then the *****ing would really start.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Tour 53 includes the last several days of AH 2, just don't see how 3 hrs with AH2 as the MA gives anyone a place to comment on game play. I think his intend was to be a smart- _ _ _. I hope it is tweaked, maybe it will be fun again, the point of this thread, fun again or I look for another game to play.
bye bye already
begone
don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya
CYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep, the would be whinning hard. They don't realize how easy AH is compared to Il-2. The graphics and "flybys" are very cool and reason enough to try it out.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Let HT sell AH1 and complete with AH 2, I bet it would put AH2 out of business.
If AH2 goes out of business, so does HTC.
AH1 is dead, get used to it.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Tour 53 includes the last several days of AH 2, just don't see how 3 hrs with AH2 as the MA gives anyone a place to comment on game play. I think his intend was to be a smart- _ _ _. I hope it is tweaked, maybe it will be fun again, the point of this thread, fun again or I look for another game to play.
Unlike you, there were quite a few of us that played in the beta regulary. We did this with the knowledge that AH1 is going to go away soon and decided to get a leg up by seeing if our systems were up to par and to get used to the new changes. So guys like Sikboy have all the standing they need to comment on AH2.
If you want another game to play, I think EA still has Bunny Love, it might be up your alley. I would recommend the Relaxed Realism of Fighter Ace but I have a feeling from your stats in AH2, that Fighter Ace might be a little beyond your abilities.
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Steve. Best of luck to ya. It won't be the same wondering if the Rook pony on my 6 about to blast me out of the air is you.
Glove
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Hmm, sounds like there are a couple improvements in the new version. I'm a BnZ kinda guy mostly thriving on the quick get in, kill and get out tactics. This new version sounds like it would be tougher for a guy like me? I like realism, that's why I play.
I'll be waiting a couple months or better before coming back, wait till you guys online work the bugs out. I remember the old AH rollouts of the past. Since Steve has quit, perhaps I'll steal his handle when I come back? :lol
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while they are at it I think they should do away with the stall limiter also :rolleyes:. Its like having training wheels on.
And stop all this nonsense so we can get a new post on that one. That would be a bigger post than this. One thing for sure is this post is very fun had lots of laugh's reading it thanks guys.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Tour 53 includes the last several days of AH 2, just don't see how 3 hrs with AH2 as the MA gives anyone a place to comment on game play. I think his intend was to be a smart- _ _ _. I hope it is tweaked, maybe it will be fun again, the point of this thread, fun again or I look for another game to play.
Sorry dude, but Sikboy has done more to help this community than you will ever do. Quit yer *****ing about AH1 and get over it. Ah1 is dead. The new regime has begun.
Screaming for HTC to "change or I will delete my account" never has had much effect on Dale's business decisions from what I can tell, but knock yourself out. You may be the first. :rolleyes:
And before you go running off to check my stats, I haven't played any quantifiable amount of time since about August of last year. But that was my choice. I was burnt out and found something else to do until AH2 came out. I flew it once or twice to make sure I could run it on my current system and it worked just fine so I snuck back into the background to wait for its release. Now its here and my time in the MA should increase a little.
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Originally posted by Gloves
Steve. Best of luck to ya. It won't be the same wondering if the Rook pony on my 6 about to blast me out of the air is you.
Glove
On the plus side I can now feel safe going AFK for a smoke flying around Rooklandia without fear of being shot down.
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Originally posted by iKo
while they are at it I think they should do away with the stall limiter also :rolleyes:. Its like having training wheels on.
And stop all this nonsense so we can get a new post on that one. That would be a bigger post than this. One thing for sure is this post is very fun had lots of laugh's reading it thanks guys.
The stall limiter is there to aid new players in getting use to the flight model. Any 'vet' that uses the stall limiter is only hindering himself and will not give a pilot any advantage over those that don't use it.
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I think I should start by saying that I hope the likes of Steve and Sooner, and all those who are considering leaving the game, stay. Even those whom I have little or no use for in game, even the one guy I actually ejected from an event (can't rember the name), all of you. I really do hope that you choose to stay here and play AHII.
But that's AHII. Moving forward. If however, you are unable or unwilling to make the change, then that's OK, sub optimal perhaps (as levi would put it) but OK none the less. Play, or Don't. It's not just a matter of whether or not I think Dale and Co. will respond to the threats of quitting as much as I do not believe that it is correct the thing to do.
But what is really frosty is having an imbittered comunity up in arms about the transfer. If you're reporting bugs or having technical problems that's one thing. If you're against concious gameplay decisions, I feel that's another. There are other sims out there, and each sim caters to a different group of people.
Like I said, I hope that you guys all stay, but barring that, I hope you have fun playing Fighter Ace.
As for my playing habits, I've been in the Beta arena all month (and on and off ever since the enabled the Yaks) I'm not sorry that I haven't played enough since Friday to satisfy your requirements, however I would point out two things. 1. I did spend all of my "game time" on Saturday working on a Skin for my favorite plane in AHII. And 2. You don't need a full arena to know whether or not you like the new ICON system.
Thanks to those who stepped up to vouch for me, its good to feel loved :p
Vote with your hard earned $15.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Thanks to those who stepped up to vouch for me, its good to feel loved :p
-Sik
I just wanted to keep my free access to the Shill sheep pens.
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Steve if you're still here...
... I'm sucking wind too! Couldn't buy a kill in a 109G2. Switched to F4, slightly better. P47D25 - got waxed 3 times straight. :( Couldn't go to bed on that, so played some more after the Patch-1 reset. Landed a few in P47 then went back to my favourite F4U1D to cheer myself up.
It's coming - I will prevail. Point is - I didn't quit just because it's been hard these first 2 days of playing AH2.
If there's any of that pride left that you haven't swallowed yet, get your wife to put the rest in sandwiches for tomorrow's lunch. But mind you don't start putting on weight. :lol
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Is the T.O.D. thing in the trash can now? Im kinda with Skurj on the 'sameness' thing-- the flying, gv's, terrain, etc is 1 million % improved....but in prime time....100 rooks at 1 base....100 bish at another base...and 110 nits at yet another base (Nits the best blobbers)....just one group of human wave attacks after another--few actual fights to be found there...Somethin new in that regard be pretty neat. CT rarely has enough peeps to be anything but a dueling arena for early-war planes
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Account deleted wave Bye Bye to another $15 bucks HT
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Account deleted wave Bye Bye to another $15 bucks HT
Think of the plus side...you'll have enough money to buy all the Ovaltine you can drink.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Think of the plus side...you'll have enough money to buy all the Ovaltine you can drink.
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Awwwwwww man! Bro please don`t go bringin Ovaltine into this drama queen fest. Why you can drop a couple of jiggers of Ole Thumb Sucker off in that stuff and get an energized drunk goin.
When I gets it , it makes me happy
When I don`t gets it, it makes me sad
When I gets it it makes me frisky
I aint talkin bout what you think I am
I`m talkin bout whiskey
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I don't think Sooner00 is of shaving age yet.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
CULERO! Ya old fart, give 'Becca a hug for me :c)
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aight Jose :)
culero
PS - heyas, there any wastebins there fulla PS2 kiddy stuff? Josh's getting tired of the ones he's got.
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Steve. Best of luck to ya. It won't be the same wondering if the Rook pony on my 6 about to blast me out of the air is you.
TY Glove nice of you to say. I received some helpful tips on how to make icons bigger and also some valuable gunnery info from Todd and others. And I am starting to think my old eyes need a bigger/better monitor(19" currently). I'd appreciate input from anyone on Viewsonic... I'm considering a Viewsonic 22" flat screen CRT.
On the plus side I can now feel safe going AFK for a smoke flying around Rooklandia without fear of being shot down.
:lol
On the other side of the coin, I remember having a nit p38 solidly roped as I spiraled over him, patiently waiting for his nose to start to slide.......only to have the no-tracer-using bugger somehow pull lead and shoot my plane to bits at 800 yards. :D
We've had some fun over the years eh AKAK?
Beet, by "still around" if you mean am I still in the game, the answer is "no". As I have gathered the very valuable help the many people in here haver patiently offered me(thank you all!), I'm starting to think there may be hope for me. I didn't want to leave and my system is more than adequate. If i think I can make the suggested adjustments and enjoy the game, I'll gladly eat the very large helping of crow that will be served up and will stoically take the verbal abuse/jabs that will no doubt be coming my way. :)
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Hope to see ya back soon Steve, I'm flying over in rookland current with the squad and I need someone ot belittle on those long slow climbouts to 10k. :)
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Since Steve has quit, perhaps I'll steal his handle when I come back?
LOL
there's any of that pride left that you haven't swallowed yet, get your wife to put the rest in sandwiches for tomorrow's lunch. But mind you don't start putting on weight.
Another good one... I'm an easy target.
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No the Thread was "Deleted my account" based on a flight model and damage model that is not as much fun as AH 1.
No offense to Sooner but I have no issue w/ changing flight modeling.... I can adjust to this but was unable to do anything w/ gunnery/icons.*
*Again, this was prior to all the very helpful tips I received in this thread, maybe if I get a new monitor it will be the final piece.
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Steve,
It looks as if you may be staying and the only thing bad about you staying is this: That 25K cherrypicking d*@khead rook pony just might be you!! :mad:
However, the plus side is that I too liked the old icon range setup, it sorta makes up for the lack of real depth perception - i mean throw in a momentary freeze-frame or just a second of lag and if you werent sure of your closure rate going into the freeze, you are screwed without the benefit of a reacharound. I have never been 100% satisfied with any game going back to '93 or '94 when I first started playing RedBaron on INN (Imagination Network) But I always found a way to have fun and work around the problems I may have had with the game I was playing, at least until something better came along.
I have always felt that it is easier to make changes and pool support for those changes from the inside rather than the outside. The realism guys can be a bit hardcore on some things, me I like to come home from work, Drink a beer, kill a few people, blow up stuff, then return to my peaceful existence. Realism and scores don't matter AS MUCH as having fun and blowing off a little steam.
Of interest though, the new gunnery model... people are saying that it is tougher - I can't agree with that - or it could be that I suck so badly that the new model works great for me! I am definitely getting more kills than in AH1 and landing them. My stats are not impressive by any means, that is for sure, but I know that I am getting and landing more kills. I prefer to think that I was just getting ripped off before! ;)
So, to Steve and anyone else who is trying to tough it out with the rest of us - good luck & good hunting!
6GunUSMC
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Steve - sounds like you're thinking of coming back. I'm quite a few years older than you, but I do OK with a 19 inch monitor. You want to know how to make the icons bigger? Get closer...
Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
I am definitely getting more kills than in AH1 and landing them.
Perhaps wou are one of those noble gentlemen who always closed to <300 yards to shoot, ie not a 800yd S&P merchant. In that case, the gunnery is not a whole lot different.
As for landing more kills, what has happened is that many in AH2 never tried the beta, and are still trying to deploy their old AH1 gamey tricks. I flew a 109G2 last night and was duelling a Spit. He pulled all the AH1 tricks - turning in horizontal merge to try and shoot me as I went past, realigning and shooting at me from 800yds... I went vertical because I knew he burned a lot of E in his 180° turn. As I got above him he tried to pull into helicopter mode (for a vertical spray shot) - that used to work in AH1, but not any more. I saw his nose flip-flopping and he dived into a valley. The chase was on but he ditched before I could get within range.
That was when I switched to 109F4 - a much better turner than the G, and better for dogfighting Spits at low speeds/alts. And in the e-fites against Spits you really can outclimb them in a spiral to get on top - without them doing a helicopter job followed by the dweeb trademark 800yd VSS.
So yes, I was in a AH1 certain death situation about 6 times last night, and lived to tell the tale.
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Originally posted by Sooner00
Account deleted wave Bye Bye to another $15 bucks HT
That's the spirit! Good luck in FA
-Sik
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Originally posted by Steve
We've had some fun over the years eh AKAK?
Yeah we have
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If i think I can make the suggested adjustments and enjoy the game, I'll gladly eat the very large helping of crow that will be served up and will stoically take the verbal abuse/jabs that will no doubt be coming my way.
You must really like crow 'cause you have been eating your fair share lately.
I was, on one hand, very surprised at your reaction and intentions to leave. On the other hand, I was not that surprised.
I don't know you personally, but over time, reading your posts and conversing over CH 1, you just don't come across as a quitter. Your are very emotional, but not a quitter.
I had a feeling that after you took your prescribed "10 DEEP BREATHS" (Dr. SlapShot's standard advise to Steve), you would be back and I hope you are.
Remember, 10 DEEP BREATHS = A lot less crow !!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I was, on one hand, very surprised at your reaction and intentions to leave. On the other hand, I was not that surprised.
Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing! :lol
I must present myself for analysis on Dr. Slapshot's couch some day. Hehe, a little birdie told me that I am mentioned on your squad website. :eek: But said little birdie would not be drawn on the exact content. ;)
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Steve...
If you do come back, which I really hope you do, I certainly wont hold this discussion against you.
As I stated before, I feel very much the same about the new aspects of the game.
If I see you in the arena, Ill give ya a Salute on chn200 and welcome you back! Nothing else, and I'm sure most others will do the same.
BEET...
NP, I understand where you are coming from.
ZZ3
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Originally posted by Steve
No offense to Sooner but I have no issue w/ changing flight modeling.... I can adjust to this but was unable to do anything w/ gunnery/icons.*
*Again, this was prior to all the very helpful tips I received in this thread, maybe if I get a new monitor it will be the final piece.
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you didnt even TRY
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you didnt even TRY
sure I did, playeds Beta several times.
Beet, ... get closer thing. You seem to think I was some guy that sprayed away. well, I rarely fired... almost never... over 400 yards. my hit % would bear that out.
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Hehehe ZZ3, I appreciate that. I'll have my "thick skin" on for a month or so.
I'm flying over in rookland current with the squad and I need someone ot belittle on those long slow climbouts to 10k.
Lol Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Originally posted by beet1e
Sounds like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing! :lol
I must present myself for analysis on Dr. Slapshot's couch some day. Hehe, a little birdie told me that I am mentioned on your squad website. :eek: But said little birdie would not be drawn on the exact content. ;)
You are probably mentioned on every squads website so no biggie there.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You are probably mentioned on every squads website so no biggie there.
Won't see anything about beet1e on the 479th site...not worthy enough to warrant a mention.
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I'm far from a ace stick but prob about avg. Havent seen AH2 except to screen that freezes up on me. I also deleted my account then they tried to charge me anyway so I think I see How Hitech is going to stay afloat. Any of you that have quit check cc bills make sure u aint still paying!!!! And has far has new video card for computer its not worth the 120 too me not when there are plenty of sim's and games online that would love my 14.95 a month!!! Now will i miss being shot and shooting you down YES. But like many others we will surive... So Steve what game now man ??? And to the rest of you Happy hunting. And no worries about the flying skillet up in AH2 so you all safe LOL...:aok
Oh btw morph thank you for the lessons in 38's
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Sooner00,
Like to point out a little overlook fact here. While AH2 was in beta the stats page did not track hours for Beta Arena. Many players spent most of their time flying in the Beta Arena over the past month to several months and less and less time flying in AH1.
This time was not track or added to the stats page for Camp 53 or any other camp.
So you are making some unfounded assumptions about a person flight time and experience with AH2 here. For all you know Sikboy could have spent most of his time over in the beta arena this month.
To tell somebody they don't have the right to voice opinions and comment based on an interpretation of hours spent is rather pretentious. Find fault with his logic or disagree with opinions but to dismiss and slam on this basis says alot about you.
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Skillet, don't go around spreading false rumors about us billing.
Your card was decliened on 05/26 and again on 6/01.
You card was billed on 6/16 for the past due amount.
You deleted on 6/22
HiTech
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Originally posted by SlapShot
You are probably mentioned on every squads website so no biggie there.
:lol
Hey akak - you saw fit to mention me here - tnx!
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but what about the email u sent to me on the 1st of june saying "It's billing time again. Unfortunately, your credit card was declined for
this billing period. In order to maintain your Aces High account, HiTech
Creations will need another form of payment.
You may change your credit card information directly through our secured
web site. You may also either e-mail, phone or fax us the information to
avoid service interruption. Be sure to include your full name, login ID and
game ID so that your payment will be posted to the correct account.
If no response is received within one week of this notice, all declined
accounts will be deleted.
We value you as a subscriber and look forward to seeing you in the skies
for a long time to come. "
Now i would assume you have read it and was the 22nd 7 days from the 1st ???????????????????????
So why was i billed on the 22 when account should of been deleted on the 7??????
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and if u have a problem with them checking cc bill I feel for them. Be kinda dumb to pay for something i cant use huh!
Now yes I hope that was just a big mistake but you dont want them to know about it hitech??????
In what world is the 7th the 22nd ???
And by your email it should of never been put thru again ??????
and yeah answer just the questions u are in good standing about
So yeah Guys if you have quit check your bill unless you like giving money away...
and hitech u put my money back on card yet ????????
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So your saying you didn't wish the free time in AH1?
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how about u answer the questions at hand and what was the reply?
and what ???So your saying you didn't wish the free time in AH1?
everyday i signed on after reciving the email knew it could be last time.. But Why wasnt account deleted like the first email said it would be?????????????????????/
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first off i let my account slide on purpose. Knew computer video card wasnt good enough and was ok with that. Second if you look at the email i posted it says " If no response is received within one week of this notice, all declined accounts will be deleted. " and I recived that on the 1st of june .... and 7 days from the first is??? oh the 7th not the 22nd. Maybe my math is wrong but even my 7yr old knows that.... And i think its cute how he responses quickly and never addresses the true questions...
And no i dont think hitech is a aol company. Truly think it was a mistake but one that should be addressed. And fixed. Asking me about free time on ah hmmm looks like if somewone did job on 7th would be a issue?
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Lets see if I get this right ... Skillet has been flying since 5/26 without paying for the service.
HTC tried three times unsuccessfully to charge the supplied credit card. Declined all three times.
They sent at least one warning on 6/1, according to you that they would shut down your account by 6/8 for non-payment but instead didn't. Possibly giving you the benefit of the doubt.
At the very least from 6/1 you were aware that your credit card was declined and you had not payed for the service but you did nothing about it. Except to fly an additional 62 hrs from 6/1 to 6/22 (unless somebody else has the handle of Skillet in the game) when you shut down your account. Knowing full well you weren't paying for it but continuing to fly anyway knowing you had not paid for June and possibly May (not sure if 5/26 credit card declined means you had not paid for May or not).
You know I wish my phone company and power company were as lenient as HTC has been. They send a warning saying service will be terminated for non-payment if not paid by such a date and they do it. Only fault here is HTC was lenient and did not follow through with the termination with non-payment sooner.
Sort of funny how you are trying to implying things about HTC when you have been flying extensively in the month of June taking advantage of HTC good graces knowing you were not going to pay for it and other possible past charges.
Real classy.
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no paid for may havent played since first week in june. until g/f got cc bill and saw hitech... OH so I shouldnt take what Hitech says in email serious.. They say they will close it but dont hmmm... looks more like someone didnt do job.
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Skillett where i come from if your paying for something and wish to finish using that service you dont just let it slide.
You take action to terminate the account, by not doing so HTC was left in the position of sending you an email saying paymrent was due and the account would be terminated on the 7th.
You knew you had no reason to continue playing and yet you flew another 60 odd hours and expect to not pay for it ?
So you did not take action to delete the account until the 22nd, why did you suddenly decide at this point to do the correct thing and cancel the account?
Why not before ?
I hardly think you can complain about being billed for the time you logged.
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"until g/f got cc bill"
LOL. Say no more.
You've embarassed yourself completely in this situation and with that telling admission you've lost any shred of dignity you may have had left.
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i pay the bill on her cards too but that just shows how that you guys didnt even read the other posts and the Asst. Atty General of washington from the phone call just a min ago agree's with me too. Sent them all of it. And they replyed with if they dont return the charges then they will take care of it. So 2 people vs a asst atty general hmm 2 ah players vs asst atty general hmmm wonder who i will listen too
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So what is your handle in the game .. Skillet or no? If its Skillet in the game on not just the BBS then the logs show 62 hours. If its another handle simply state it and thus prove you have not flown in AH1 since what date.
As for them not following through with their termination. They gave a threat of termination, all you had to do is email back and say please shut it down and I have not flown this month. I am sure they would not pursue a billing matter if you had not used the service.
But to imply that they are purposedly trying to bilk their customers or continue to bill them after the customer has closed down their account or communicated with HTC to close down their account is what you are trying to do.
By your own admission you didn't tell them to shut down their account but ignored their communications until 6/22. They continue in good faith to try to resolve the issue and provide a service that you could be using (will know once you say your in game handle .. but HTC knows how much time you spent or did not spend) in lack of communication from you.
Okay they are automated and a software program did not terminate it. That is HTC they tend to try to handle things personally and I know of 1 case in my squad (Pyroman) where they left his account running because his house burned down and he did not have the money at the time to pay for the service. He caught up with payments later.
Sort of like the personal touch instead of the automated, cold route. But you are right that they dropped the ball and did not enforce their rights to terminate from their perspective.
Don't know how you can use this to imply they are purposed trying to bilk people:
Any of you that have quit check cc bills make sure u aint still paying!!!!
You didn't quit / terminate your service but let it run waiting for them to terminate it for non-payment. Far cry from somebody who email, called, or went online and told HTC to terminate their account so don't know your basis of warning people to watch out to make sure they are still be billed when they terminated their accounts.
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Take it to email please, this is not the forum for these billing types of things. It can not lead to anything good.
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I am rather skeptical that you can just call up the Asst. Attorney General of any state on a moments notice and discuss an issue of non-payment of $30 for services in the past what 30 minutes?
Creamo its not about billing.
Just pointing out that a person shouldn't throw stones and get others to throw stones or assume things about other people when they live in glass houses.
Nuff said.
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No, it is about billing, and it should be private. If skillet wants to take it public, he should be treated like people that cry "cheater".
Warned and stopped immediately. It can only go very wrong from the get go. I think the responces up to this point back that up.
Nuf said.
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you should get a better atty general then and friend works in the office
but i understand that they give grace periods but 21 days even so not my problem... I was told by email that "If no response is received within one week of this notice, all declined
accounts will be deleted." not 14 days not 21 days but 7. And this is last post not wasting time on you guys anymore. If the money returns I go on about business. If not they get nasty letter from atty general office and 2 weeks to make right. then they start the process.....................
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See?
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I know, was responding to it all, and skillet still going on.
Whatever. Not a real big deal, was just saying.
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I dont have anything better to do either...and Skillet played a whole month on HiTechs' good graces...KNOWING he (Skillet) was never gonna pay HiTech anyhow---now he basically saying HiTech was a sucker. I'm guessing Skillet in law school?
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Skillet , what you miss is that you owed us 14.95 on the 5/25, regardless of if we chose to deleted your account or not after the 25, you are still responsible for that 14.95. The email has no bearing what so ever on the comitment you made at registration.
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This is all Steve's fault !!
:p
Just kidding Steve. In answer to your Viewsonic monitor question (about three pages back,,) I've had a Viewsonic Professional monitor for many years. In the less time I've had a Dell Trinitron go bad and a couple of other off brands.
If you get a Viewsonic, get one of the Pro series. Stay away from the E series.
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by-law number 9.
9. In the event of rejection of any credit card charges or cancellation of your credit card, you agree to make immediate payment of all amounts owed by you to HiTech Creations within 10 days.
was that followed???
!!!!!!!!but at that time didnt owe them a dime!!!!!!!!!!111
billing cycle
2. Billing Cycle - YOUR SUBSCRIPTION FEES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NOT REFUNDABLE IN WHOLE OR IN PART. Upon registration, you will automatically be billed for one (1) month fee. You will be billed on the same date for each subsequent month of membe
rship.
so has oh the 26 they should of closed the account???
but they choice not too
and finally the email on the 1st of june
It's billing time again. Unfortunately, your credit card was declined for
this billing period. In order to maintain your Aces High account, HiTech
Creations will need another form of payment.
You may change your credit card information directly through our secured
web site. You may also either e-mail, phone or fax us the information to
avoid service interruption. Be sure to include your full name, login ID and
game ID so that your payment will be posted to the correct account.
!!!!!!!!!!!!please note the line below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
If no response is received within one week of this notice, all declined
accounts will be deleted.
We value you as a subscriber and look forward to seeing you in the skies
for a long time to come.
sry you guys might not agree with me and I dont really care but hitech doesnt have a leg to stand on even in there own RULES
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>>I am rather skeptical that you can just call up the Asst. Attorney General of any state on a moments notice and discuss an issue of non-payment of $30 for services in the past what 30 minutes? <<
Actually most states have web sites to the attny generals office and a complaint form to report credit card/internet fraud. But obviously this doesn't qualify. Leting an "account slide" to terminate it is just running up debt for one's self. Should HTC decide to persue it, I'm sure they could collect the debt and reasonable expenses. At the very least, they should make sure it shows up on your credit report :D
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skillet you nasty SOB!
HTC have given you the best fun online you have ever had, and you choose to make them suffer?
you big fat hairy loser!
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Skillet: You played after the 26 there by accepting the charges.
Or do you realy think you should be able to play for free?
In fact if you knowingly blocked the CC and continued to play that would constitue fraud. Care for us to realy make an exaple of you?
HiTech
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fight, fight fight! :D
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Creamo was not responding because it was a billing question. The particulars of the billing dispute will be hammered out between HTC and Skillet or not.
What got me posting was the one line comment that comes close to libel. Implying that HTC indulges in unfair trade practices and warning others to watch out for it (i.e. continuing to bill after a user explicity tells HTC to terminates their account. Which was not the case here).
Nuff said.
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It is really hard to start a sentence regarding this without a swear word. Here is a clear cut case of the preverbal ******* ******* moron that is dead set on screwing up things for everyone else.
The same kind of moron that got free use of what should be a community benefiting channel 1 removed from the game.
I for one appriciate that if I have any questions on my account, someone who is personally credited on the splash screen will answer my question. I appriciate that they are willing to make arrangments with customers when billing problems arise.
Needless to say, I dont mind seeing one of "these types" go.
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Well ******-******* said Mudr:aok --Skillet, perhaps you have a dying, elderly relative...ya could cash their social security checks for YEARS, mebe even get new computer...or, perhaps mail in ALL the credit card apps. ya get in the course of a month ALL AT ONCE! ya can prolly weasel out of paying them anyhow
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Libel? On the net? ha ha ha ha!
Skillet man, if you played the game the last billing cycle then pay the man and be done with it, hell its fifteen bucks. If you had emailed them to delete your account, I would be willing to bet they probably would have, but if you "let it slide" then I don't see that you have anything to complain about your regarding your bill.
You guys take this BB WAY too seriously, I mean Libel, Legal Action, Fruad, Attorney General's Office?
This BB is way overmoderated as it is, but taking it to some lofty legal status is setting a dangerous and silly precedent in the game.
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Well the crux of the matter is a business issue between Skimmet and HTC.
However if Skimmet did have an extra $15 month to spare (and his girlfriend let him) he'd be better of investing it at his nearest Sylvan Center. And then perhaps after he's written his letter of complaint and addressed his envelope to that assistant attorney general it may actualy get to that person and they'd even be able to read it.
(yes. I'm enjoying the pigpile. Because he's a stump and deserves it)
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Skillet you hurt my feelings and offend Yankee
i will give you15$ or 30$ just send adress, all this under one condition
such a moron like you will never show his bellybutton on this board and in AH2 game, deal?:cool:
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Originally posted by beet1e
:lol
Hey akak - you saw fit to mention me here - tnx!
but not on our website...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by hitech
Skillet: You played after the 26 there by accepting the charges.
Or do you realy think you should be able to play for free?
In fact if you knowingly blocked the CC and continued to play that would constitue fraud. Care for us to realy make an exaple of you?
HiTech
YES! Burn him at the stake!
ack-ack
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For me this is not about burning anyone. When someone makes a totaly false accusation of HTC buisness ethics,I just belive it is time to show other wise.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
Skillet: You played after the 26 there by accepting the charges.
Or do you realy think you should be able to play for free?
In fact if you knowingly blocked the CC and continued to play that would constitue fraud. Care for us to realy make an exaple of you?
HiTech
Sounds like we might here about this on "Stupid Crook News". DOnt think I would admit to a fraud case :rofl
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My business experiences w/ HTC have been nothing but pleasant. Each time I've dealt w/ them they have been quite accomodating....think I mentioned something to this effect early in this thread.
Edit: skillet I enjoyed our fights in the MA.... didn't read your whole discussion w/ HT as it seems like it should be a private thing... but it sure seems ugly.
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Steve, the correct spelling is "accommodating". I know you would have wanted me to inform you, stickler for spelling that you are. ;)
Can't believe anyone is arguing about $14.95, other than to make a stand. I've never had any HTC billing problems, except when my bank renewed my Visa debit card last August, and changed the card number. The first I knew was when I tried to log into AH and got "account locked". I would have appreciated an email - even an auto-generated one - to tell me there was a billing problem. I thought I'd been banned for criticising American cars on the BBS. :lol But all's well that ends well. I phoned Yankee who spotted the problem immediately, and within 5 minutes I was up killing Spits & LA7s. :aok
Hehe, this thread is getting off topic. I want us to stay focussed on Steve's forthcoming crow lunch. Is it time to take it out of the freezer yet?
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well... sure seems that a lot of people have learned to use the new pee 51's and d9's and la7's and even the 38 and 47 and to a lesser extent the hog.
the late war fast planes still rule the game.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... sure seems that a lot of people have learned to use the new pee 51's and d9's and la7's and even the 38 and 47 and to a lesser extent the hog.
the late war fast planes still rule the game.
lazs
Hey buddy! Step away from the p38 comments! :lol
I've always flown the pa - pa - pa - P38 POWER House! :p
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
YES! Burn him at the stake!
ack-ack
LMAO you evil p38 driver you!
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Originally posted by lazs2
the late war fast planes still rule the game.
lazs
Try this-------> .removetrainingwheels
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... sure seems that a lot of people have learned to use the new pee 51's and d9's and la7's and even the 38 and 47 and to a lesser extent the hog.
the late war fast planes still rule the game.
lazs
Some people are slow learners I guess...I learned how to motor along the unfriendly virtual skies in the P-38 over ten years ago. Probably the same amount of time you've been whining about what people fly.
ack-ack
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Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Your credit card declined and you had 10 days to pay it. You didnt. You are in breach of your agreement at that point.
Then after not paying what you owed you continued to log in to play thereby obligating yourself for another month of subscription charges. If your girlfriend wasnt going to let you play anymore, why even log in? Especially after you couldnt afford to pay the back payment that you owed in the first place.
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Criticising American cars...hmmm..... Beetle...Bet ya don't know why Brits don't make computers?
:D
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Geez, even when eating crow, I prefer not to dine alone.
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This is the last post
:D
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"Some people are slow learners I guess...I learned how to motor along the unfriendly virtual skies in the P-38 over ten years ago. Probably the same amount of time you've been whining about what people fly. "
ackie... are you saying that you are a slow learner or that you have allways chosen the easiest plane or both? Maybe you are just upset that I have pointed it out?
steve... what will your shades account handle be?
lazs
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Com'on Lazs.. have you even tried flying the 38? Its not easy guy.. Its twice the target of most planes.. Let me tell you something else, EVERYONE makes a pass on a 38.. lol EVERYONE.. Add that to the fact that it can be run down sometimes easily, its size, and everyone wanting to shoot at it makes the 38 very hard to fly at times..
Fly one a whole camp.. We'll see how many kills you get in it.. Then get back to me on the p38 being easy mode.. 8)
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steve... what will your shades account handle be?
I'll try to get my original name back. Not exactly like I'm trying to hide from anything.