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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ET on June 18, 2004, 04:28:02 AM
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AH2 has not been released 24 hours yet and I have already
read several threats to leave the game. Ah1 was not perfect in earlier times and HTC staff corrected everything they could as time went along. There are things I don't like in AH2 but I know they will be corrected or adjusted as time goes by. Give the staff a break and voice your complaints and the bugs you see without all the whining and threats.
"Determined people working together make conditions, they do not become the victims of conditions."
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Let them keep that mind set. Most of them know nothing about programing , modeling ect. and expect everything to be absolutley perfect. Considering it just came out of beta phase people should know that there are still going to be updates and such. Some people are just never pleased:)
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Hear, hear!
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if my business released a piece of software from beta that worked like this then the vast majority of my customers would be pleased.
When a piece of software is bug free ........ it's out of date
wipass
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It's a simple problem, and mostly is unrelated to the bugs.
One day you're a good pilot, racking up easy kills. You get used to it, you get used to not dying. The next day you're no longer able to hit anything, you die repeatedly for stupid reasons, to people who already know how to deal with the new system.
It can be terribly frustrating when "I'm a good pilot" becomes too much a part of your gameplay, and suddenly the people who took the time to play the beta have a huge advantage over you.
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The smart guys have spent the last month in the beta learning how to deal with the changes.
The ones who spent the last month in the main all of a sudden have no clue on how to compete.
Geee imagine that.
AH2 is in many respects a whole new game from the ground up. You didn't learn to fly ah1 in a day did you?
So give AH2 a month or 2, or 3.
TA is up & running with some cool new settings. We have trainers available, and lots of people who realise that they have lots to learn again.
If your having problems, come join us.
Don't let your ego walk you out the door.
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Originally posted by wipass
When a piece of software is bug free ........ it's out of date
Couldn't have said it better myself, every program/game/product is in one way or another an open beta. It wil always be getting updated patches to fix things.
how many times have you all had to put a new patch in for XP, winme, win2000, etc...get the message?
and as Ghosth said, it is like flying Relaxed arcade type flying and switching suddenly to a more indepth flight model that most are not use to anything like it.
hang in there take your bumps and bruises you will come around soon and love it!;)
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So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me
LTARprts
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Havn't heard this one in a while. Been to long between updates, most people don't know are normal operation mode.
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Originally posted by shaky1
So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me
LTARprts, can you enlighten us on your knowledge of coding, game programming, building, production. So we can make an adequate assement on your ability to know if a game is ready for release or not, and how you know that AH is 1/2 done.
I would love to be able to have this knowledge. please share please!:D
The only thing you stubborn people are accomplishing is making yourselves look very bad toward the rest of the community here when you post messages like this. Get onboard and be a teamplayer, help out don't be so negative. Negativity breaks the AH community down
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I cant run ah2 so I wasnt able to run the beta versions, But i am sure that i will catch up. I am on the game 22 hours a day. Gee I love the summer time.:D
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Originally posted by shaky1
So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me
LTARprts
ROFL -Ignorence is bliss:D
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So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me
It's a game full done with very minute bugs in existence. Unfortunately, like Innom said and I agree, rarely any of the real complaints are about bugs that exist.
The only thing that's half done is their understanding about AH2 that it is different from AH1.
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So your saying that because im not a programmer i dont know when a product is ready for the public use?
Then along that line of thought lets say you go buy a game from your local store and only some of it works would you return it or just keep it and say well the next update will fix it i'd bet you would take it back that day and wonder why it was released before it was ready.Then again as HTC will tell you almost every time the problem is not on their end its the lag
LTARprts
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So, what is it in AH2 that's not for 'public use' ?
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While it's fun to read these posts on the board, ultimately the market will determine whether or not AHII works or not.
Although, how many here went through the initial release of WWIIOL?
And yet that game survived.
I haven't had any crashes in AHII (not counting Beta of course), and in my limited playing since Wed, I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that I would call a "bug." As I mentioned in another post, a lot of what people are complaining about has more to do with lack of understanding the changed (wrt fuelburn, or channel 200, or right clicking ect).
Some will still not like the changes, but they aren't bugs. I'm thinking about putting up a "changing from AH to AHII" webpage to help people with the transition.
-Sik
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I haven't encountered any real problems with AH II. So far, my computer has handled it without a glitch.
Playing it in beta was very enjoyable. Far less crowded and the horde mentality was less prevalent. (A shame that HTC felt it necessary to take it out of beta. Grin.) Most of the whines seem to be coming from those who waited until it came out of beta before trying it out. It has a learning curve, to be sure, but there isn't an insurmountable difference between it and AH I. Much of the gamey quality is no longer there.
Sure, the new range icons take some getting used to. As does the gunnery. Where I used to set convergence at 500, now I have set it at 350. I may reduce it even more. Those who used to fly cannon-armed fighters and lived by the ho are going to be disappointed to learn that ho kills are much harder to attain. Spray and pray shooting is going to be greatly reduced. Ammo conservation is now more important than in the past. ACM is also going to gain in importance, at least in my opinion.
All of this is as it should be. More realism...less gameiness.
Take the time to learn it...adjust...and enjoy.
Shuckins/Leggern
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Originally posted by shaky1
So your saying that because im not a programmer i dont know when a product is ready for the public use?
Then along that line of thought lets say you go buy a game from your local store and only some of it works would you return it or just keep it and say well the next update will fix it i'd bet you would take it back that day and wonder why it was released before it was ready.Then again as HTC will tell you almost every time the problem is not on their end its the lag
LTARprts
I hope you quit. You are about the biggest whiner in this game.
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GREAT JOB HIGH TECH:aok
only prob now is that wife ack has moved into beta version,
its getting Louder, more annoying and more frequent.
goin being hating the full release of wife ack II
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Originally posted by shaky1
So your saying that because im not a programmer i dont know when a product is ready for the public use?
Then along that line of thought lets say you go buy a game from your local store and only some of it works would you return it or just keep it and say well the next update will fix it i'd bet you would take it back that day and wonder why it was released before it was ready.Then again as HTC will tell you almost every time the problem is not on their end its the lag
LTARprts
ah a LTAR
Guess what- This is aww2 Flight Sim, not a WW2 Tank SIM
You should be grateful there are even gv's in the game.
you wanna tank, go play WW2ol, thats what I do.
and BTW, your sig says you regestered in feb. I don't think that 5 months of playing gives you the right to whine at all.
Those of us who have been here awhile(3+ years) know what to expect from here on out, i.e. patches and upgraded features from here on out on a semi-regular basis ( every 10 days to 3 weeks)
{Please let me know if that is totally off the mark HT}
So, stop your whining please, I'm wasting flight time to respond to this
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm thinking about putting up a "changing from AH to AHII" webpage to help people with the transition.
This would be a great thing, if one did not have to study and thereby had time to do it.
- oldman
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Originally posted by shaky1
So your saying that because im not a programmer i dont know when a product is ready for the public use?
If he isn't, I will:
Because you're not a programmer you dont know when a product is ready for public use.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
This would be a great thing, if one did not have to study and thereby had time to do it.
- oldman
Heh, no class this summer pops :) But lots and lots of yardwork to do.
-Sik (who recieved the worst grade of his career in contracts II)
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Originally posted by ET
AH2 has not been released 24 hours yet and I have already
read several threats to leave the game. Ah1 was not perfect in earlier times and HTC staff corrected everything they could as time went along. There are things I don't like in AH2 but I know they will be corrected or adjusted as time goes by. Give the staff a break and voice your complaints and the bugs you see without all the whining and threats.
"Determined people working together make conditions, they do not become the victims of conditions."
Let them threat. Let them leave. Anyone and I mean anyone who actually does leave. Their absence will be noticed cept for maybe a few they hung with. For about as long as it takes to find the next fight.
So as they say in my neck of the woods.
"You wanna leave then leave. Dont see any anchor tied to your butt keeping you here.
And dont let the door hit ya in the prettythang on the way out"
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Oddly the tanks are 300x better too
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Actually this is only partially correct.
It started as a WWII flight sim but has evolved into an overall WWII sim that includes both Air, Sea and mechanised ground forces. which now can play a major role inthe game.
Judging from the amount of effort that has been put into having the ground war in play One can no longer say this is a flight sim alone.
The balance now on many of the maps can be as much as 60-40 Air to ground
Originally posted by Flit
ah a LTAR
Guess what- This is aww2 Flight Sim, not a WW2 Tank SIM
You should be grateful there are even gv's in the game.
you wanna tank, go play WW2ol, thats what I do.
and BTW, your sig says you regestered in feb. I don't think that 5 months of playing gives you the right to whine at all.
Those of us who have been here awhile(3+ years) know what to expect from here on out, i.e. patches and upgraded features from here on out on a semi-regular basis ( every 10 days to 3 weeks)
{Please let me know if that is totally off the mark HT}
So, stop your whining please, I'm wasting flight time to respond to this
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Originally posted by Innominate
One day you're a good pilot, racking up easy kills. You get used to it, you get used to not dying. The next day you're no longer able to hit anything, you die repeatedly for stupid reasons, to people who already know how to deal with the new system.
Thats what they get for continuing to rack up easy kills in AH1 for the last 4 months instead of learning the new modeling by flying the beta.
But I couldn't agree more that the whiners are annoying, even more so when they threaten to quit over it, at times I figure we'd all be better off if they actualy DID quit. But I am sure that is not the opinion of HTC.
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Last night P 14 was captured by the Knights by CAP and C-47 loaded with goons.
30 minutes later, it was retaken by the Bish by armored assault. I don't think THEY were having any issues with the armored game play.
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Was playing this game when Air Warrior was around which BTW did the same thing this game is doing when AW2 came out where can you play that now?
LTARprts
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"When a piece of software is bug free ........ it's out of date "
Ah - the school of Bill Gates. If everone releases crap, people will expect crap. And if you have different levels of crap, they'll pay for even more crap.
Well what would you expect from a pirate?
Not that AH2 fits in that category. But I hate the idea that bugged filled programs are routine now. They used to be bullet proof on release. Then Gates came around and marketed a whole new level of mediocrite.
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Originally posted by shaky1
Was playing this game when Air Warrior was around which BTW did the same thing this game is doing when AW2 came out where can you play that now?
LTARprts
What's the Parallel? AW2 came out as a Box game in 1997, and wasn't particularly bug riddled.
-Sik
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Originally posted by shaky1
So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me
LTARprts
Hey LTAR.
If you dont like it leave dude.
No one is holding a gun to your head saying you better keep paying your 15 a month or else!
I've said it many times before.
Eat whats on your plate or go hungry.
In other words, either play and be happy and deal, or stfu and leave.
But please stop whining.
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Originally posted by ET
AH2 has not been released 24 hours yet and I have already
read several threats to leave the game. Ah1 was not perfect in earlier times and HTC staff corrected everything they could as time went along. There are things I don't like in AH2 but I know they will be corrected or adjusted as time goes by. Give the staff a break and voice your complaints and the bugs you see without all the whining and threats.
"Determined people working together make conditions, they do not become the victims of conditions."
I saw a big bug on my windshield this morning and it's still there.
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Originally posted by Furious
I hope you quit. You are about the biggest whiner in this game.
I couldnt agree more. Since you seem to be so damned uphappy with this game maybe you should just quit.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually this is only partially correct.
It started as a WWII flight sim but has evolved into an overall WWII sim that includes both Air, Sea and mechanised ground forces. which now can play a major role inthe game.
Judging from the amount of effort that has been put into having the ground war in play One can no longer say this is a flight sim alone.
The balance now on many of the maps can be as much as 60-40 Air to ground
I agree, I think they've gone a long way to bring gv's even more into the game than they were. So for all you "This is primarily a flight sim" people, welcome to the brave new world.
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Think yourself lucky you can even play AH2 LTAR! i dont (as yet) have the PC power to even play AH2. i am missing my daily combat simulation intensely! i bet you would whine even if they made AH2 virtual reality and sent you a free headset. If you want my advice: Be happy with AH2 as (from what i have heard) a vast improvement from AH1. i mean, AH1 was 'bugged to chit' too wasnt it? so why were you paying full price for that 'half finnished game'? to sum up: either play AH2 and be happy with what you have, or, stop playing online games and go find yourself a real life that actually involves REAL things that actualy matter! Oh! sorry! i forgot. that 'life' thing is bugged to watermelon isnt it, i mean, theres no way that store assistant could have found the butter for me that fast, its simply not possible.........
sorry for huge text, thought i'd see what it looked like plus the added bonus of shouting at a whiner.
Bring on my new vid card. HTC, what you have created here is the work of a genius, keep up the good work. i will probably be playing through your server and paying the extremely fair price you charge for this magnificent game, as long as i am able to use my hands in co-ordination with my eyes!
edit: damn! the big text is not half as big as i thought it would be! i want a refund and compensation. AND I WILL QUIT UNLESS THINGS ARE SORTED OUT! THIS BBS IS BUGGED TO CHIT!
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Break out the Pampers and the pacifiers.
How about developing a little patience? The game is different...not worse.
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Originally posted by doobs
GREAT JOB HIGH TECH:aok
only prob now is that wife ack has moved into beta version,
its getting Louder, more annoying and more frequent.
goin being hating the full release of wife ack II
You aint seen nuttin,,,, Wait till you see KID ACK 15.6 or the expansion KID Insurance ACK 16.....
Gunns
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I've played AW since It was released AOL, been In AH since first day of beta release, And I've been very pleased. I think AHII is spot on for release timing of AHII, and works great. HTC crew Has squashed bugs and released new stuff at a pretty impressive rate for such a small company. My ONLY gripe with HTC is no Ki-84, thats about it. And if you guys think I am an HTC cheerleader , think again and remember some of my unsavory post:)
Congrads HTC on your AHII released.
Now Give us the new TE !!!
NUTTZ
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The replies to this post are worth the money LMAO
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Are you trying to pretend now that your rants aren't retarded?
.....was this all some sort of expurimnt? crybabywhiner.
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.squelch shaky1......not that would be a great BBS feature .
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these 2 are the best yet keep them coming
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hell microsoft release stuff that is so full of holes you can strain your cabbage but everyone is moaning about a couple of problems in ah2. A few guys and girls building a great game and doing a brilliant job.jeze if microsoft had people this good the products mihgt work quicker
lol thats my thoughts
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remember games like this are pioneering especially leading edge like AH1 & AH2 HAIL ALL THE NEW STUFF.thanks for the work on my planes too especially the new "skins for dummies" I LUV them esp since others see them also
:aok
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Originally posted by Sikboy
What's the Parallel? AW2 came out as a Box game in 1997, and wasn't particularly bug riddled.
-Sik
Thats because according to AW support Nothing was ever wrong with their game. If anything that was ever wrong it was always "Your computer".
I sure as hell dont miss those days
I may not agree with the way everything is done here but I have to respect they way they do it.
As far as gameplay, Game quality, customer support and just class overall HTC is lightyears better then the folks that ran AW ever was.
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Originally posted by shaky1
So all you folks are happy paying full price for a game thats half done?Makes perfect sense to me<<<<<<<
The game is not half done. Its 9/10 done. Its only need some corrections and thats all. And ofcourse new planes :)
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I hope the game is only half done at most...
Its an online game we get constant upgrades, additions etc..
When its "done" we will all likely have moved on to something that isn't...
SKurj
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Well, I gotta say it. AH2 runs better than it has a right to on my PC. Superb job HiTech (although I look forward to the replacement of those dinner theatre trees and shrubs hehe). Gawd those skins are looking beayoooooootiful too.
Framerates of 80 to 30 (20 with 200 rooks swarming one base hehe)
GeForce 2 64 Mb Ram
AMD 1.5 GHz
512 Mb Ram
Soundblaster Live
Win 98 SE
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Originally posted by jetb123
I am on the game 22 hours a day.
Do you supply a condom?