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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on June 18, 2004, 12:44:25 PM
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News just reported that CNN is trying to confirm an Arab TV report that the latest US captor was beheaded.
:mad:
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If it's true, which it may very well be, we can expect the video of such in a day or two.
To say that it is a beheading is mild. These types tend to remove the head by carving and slicing with a knife as opposed to a single blow with a beheading sword. It's quite a cruel and gruesome thing to see.
Unfortunately I believe we will be seeing more of this sort of thing in the future. It always baffles me to understand exactly what these characters hope to accomplish by such acts.
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Al Qaeda is nothing but a bunch of thugs and murderers. They will be hunted down like the animals they are.
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Better get used to seeing news of this nature.
The war on turror is going to last a long, long time.
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yeah and just how many of you will choose to watch it?
count me out. :mad:
Well, they tried, and our saudi buddies went door to door, asking if there were any hostages inside ...WTG :mad: :mad:
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Animals....I don't consider them part of the human race. I expect this will be over shadowed by the prison abuse stories just like last time. Our own media is helping these fanatic dogs.
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Sick.
I believe Seal Team 6 is dedicated to rescuing hostages. I wonder if they were mobilized for the particular case?
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Sun, for Seal team six to work we would have had to have had a location.
RIP
Paul M. Johnson Jr.
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They're animals indeed.
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Ok...I had a nice explanation for Rogwar, but by the time I hit save changes Skuzzy must have brought the board down and I don't remember or feel like retyping about those ****holes in the Middle East.
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Only 9 posts in this thread?
Amazing.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Better get used to seeing news of this nature.
The war on turror is going to last a long, long time.
Why such a mocking tone?
"turror" Is that a play on Bush's accent?
Pretty low sandman...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why such a mocking tone?
"turror" Is that a play on Bush's accent?
Pretty low sandman...
Dont you get it Grun? Bush is responsbile for the death of this man!
(Been awhile since youve said "DETH TO AMEREEKA!" now's your cue)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Only 9 posts in this thread?
Amazing.
it is getting to be old hat as it should
the murderering thugs want a reaction, I guess they don't know how easily we become bored with the ole same ole same ole...the best thing for this is if it isn't mentioned at all on the news as that is exactly why they did it.
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Originally posted by Eagler
it is getting to be old hat as it should
the murderering thugs want a reaction, I guess they don't know how easily we become bored with the ole same ole same ole...the best thing for this is if it isn't mentioned at all on the news as that is exactly why they did it.
Somehow, I doubt the Berg's and Johnson's are as casual as you can afford to be. let's really hope no other family has to tolerate this...
yeah, right....
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Originally posted by Goth
Ok...I had a nice explanation for Rogwar, but by the time I hit save changes Skuzzy must have brought the board down and I don't remember or feel like retyping about those ****holes in the Middle East.
Thanks...
I do know all the various reasons given by them and others. It still just amazes me though.
It's just how they expect to really acomplish anything using these methods is baffling...
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Originally posted by rogwar
how they expect to really acomplish anything using these methods is baffling...
exactly.
the more **** like this they pull the more pissed off the american public gets (or at least i hope so). the more i myself want to go over there and "hurt" them.
i dont like to be a part of these political discussions, but when i say "hurt" i dont mean jailing them, or even quickly having a sniper pick them off when found. i want them to see the true nature of violence, and what the word retribution really means.
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Originally posted by rogwar
It's just how they expect to really acomplish anything using these methods is baffling...
Made me think...
throughout history our human race has done stuff like this...in ancient times, the Romans would feed Christians to lions for the publics entertainment....then how about the British drawing and quartering: getting dragged through the street by horses..then slit from the rectum to the rib cage and your insides removed while your alive and then burned, then you are quartered...and in the American west, the public hanging and lynchings..in France, the public guillotine for beheadings..
maybe it's just in us to act this way?? I dunno...what do you guys think?
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I think that those animals only have regard for their own lives and need to be put down.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Made me think...
throughout history our human race has done stuff like this...in ancient times, the Romans would feed Christians to lions for the publics entertainment....then how about the British drawing and quartering: getting dragged through the street by horses..then slit from the rectum to the rib cage and your insides removed while your alive and then burned, then you are quartered...and in the American west, the public hanging and lynchings..in France, the public guillotine for beheadings..
maybe it's just in us to act this way?? I dunno...what do you guys think?
i think that there is a religous nature to some of this, and i will NOT get into that debate.
never-the-less, i think every group you have mentioned has "grown out" of that stage, and seen the error of their evil ways for lack of a better way of putting it.
i think the mention of the dark ages is not just coinsidence. IMHO those in the middle east (for a generalization) are still living in the times when king richard and the crusades were going on. they have not advanced in intelligence, nor class or stature or whatever you want to call it.
there was a slow, but very real "awakening" by the societies you mentioned, where they all "matured". distinct changes happened and the people of those societies were better off. they also wanted the changes.
it wasn't just technology that influenced the change either. though it was involved (the industrial age and such) there were ways of thinking that were changed. you may argue that the technology is what changed the thinking, or the thinking changed the technology, but either way they were somewhat connected.
over there, i truly dont believe they want change. they almost want an evil dictator back. they seem to want to use some of our (our being the rest of the civilized world) modern convinences, while still living and thinking like 2000 years ago. those two are not good bedfellows. imagine if genghis khan had automatic weapons, and the like, or if hannibal had helocoptors. imagine the violence someone in those positions could display.
part of the situation there now has to do with the fact they ahve access to a multitude of weapons, and technology without "earning" it. to quote a movie charecter ian malcom I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.
kinda fitting though huh? i think thats partially what is to blame in the middle east. the question is how do you stop it?
well thats enough for now, im sick of typing.
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Islam is Peace.
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funked is what our mothers warned us about as children.
hehehehe
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I try to think of something thoughtful to say and all I can come up with is "Islam = global cancer" and its inoperable. Not real thoughtful, not at all useful and probably wrong as hell but its what Im thinking......
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I'm sure he died because we weren't 'nice' and we all have to share the blame for his death. Right..?
Wrong!
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Yeager-
It's not all Islam. It's Militant Islam, or Fundamental Islam or whatever it is they call it.
Hell, maybe it is just Islam and this is how these people really all feel about the non-believers.
My business partner of 10 years is Islamic, from Guyana. Never once seen him pray and he's hilarious at topless bars. Guess he's a bad example.
Anyway, this is one reason I feel we were right for going to Iraq. Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, and the retaliation for the Prison scandal would have happened whether we went to Iraq or not.
These animals just use these as excuses. We all know that.
But at when it's all said and done, WMDs or Not...Liberation of Iraqi's or not...our military is killing these mother-****ers by the truckload over there. And though I mourn the loss of any innocent, I fully support further action, until every Terrorist, or Militant Muslim is destroyed in the most ruthless means possible.
In respect for this thread, I will not debate anything about the Iraq war. I just wanted to share what gives me a modicum of peace on a day like this.
And the Coalition military is the only solace I can find right now.
Go get 'em fellas.
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Originally posted by Otto
I'm sure he died because we weren't 'nice' and we all have to share the blame for his death. Right..?
Wrong!
Don't worry, the New York Times will run another Abu-Dabbi "Torture" headline tomorrow and you can go back to feeling guilty. (They ran this story on page 1 for 23 of 27 days...what's to change, right? We are the great fukcing Satan, after all)
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Yeager
I try to think of something thoughtful to say and all I can come up with is "Islam = global cancer" and its inoperable. Not real thoughtful, not at all useful and probably wrong as hell but its what Im thinking......
This is silly. Lets say "religion = global cancer".
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Don't now about that. It isn't all the religions that feature so prominently in the "killing non-believers is good" race.
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I requested voluntary reinstatment to Active Duty on 12 Sep.... only to receive a nice letter and framable document stating how fine of an American I am...that following May.
I, myself, as an American is totally tired of the kidgloved watermelon America has been doing lately. We need to strongly, forcefully hold countries like Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Yemen and Iran responsible for the venomous hatered they spewl towards America's Freedom!
Never Again in my Backyard,
MacMAW
US Army Ret.
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Heh.....Two words.
Tactical Nukes.
Wanna raise eyebrows? Scorch a few of these bassturds holdouts.
Give Forceful warnings to Syria and Iran, Pressure Pakistan to do their share that was promised and paid for or we just add them to the list...THE GLOVES COME OFF!!!!
:mad:
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Let's start our own terrorist group.
We can go to Iraq and Saudi, kidnap poor and working class people...they're easy targets...kill them in horrible ways and post the pictures and videos here.
Hmmm..I wonder why you dont see retaliatory attacks against american-arabs here in the US.
Maybe because we're not fukcing savages?
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Dont you get it Grun? Bush is responsbile for the death of this man!
fool
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Payback?! (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/index.html)
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Sick.
I believe Seal Team 6 is dedicated to rescuing hostages. I wonder if they were mobilized for the particular case?
you watch movies too much.
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they claim they got a chief (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040618/ts_nm/security_saudi_dc)
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Originally posted by Eagler
they claim they got a chief (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040618/ts_nm/security_saudi_dc)
bravo to the saudi's. Maybe the attacks on americans might go down, but still WTG!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"turror" Is that a play on Bush's accent?
Pretty low sandman...
You bet it is.
The war on terror is moronic.
Call it what it is. The war on militant Islam.
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Does anyone else think it's convenient that the Saudis caught up with them just after the fact and then killed the ringleader? Was he maybe shot while trying to escape?
Just some purely random speculation here. I just reminded myself of one of those tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. :lol
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Originally posted by rogwar
It's just how they expect to really acomplish anything using these methods is baffling...
they expect it to work because it does. a perfect example of the reaction they are looking for is in JB73's post (right after yours that I pulled the quote from).
not all of the people in that area are with these bastards. but if they can get us mad enough that we forget who we are and what we believe is right, we will lose control of ourselves. we will look the other way or say the victims deserve it when our people commit war-crimes, and other acts of cruelty, we will tolerate it when our elected and appointed officials ignore or condone violations.
others in these areas who didn't care much about us one way or the other will be easily convinced that we are the enemy when they see Americans at our worst.
fellow Americans who condone or dismiss as trivial violations of law or basic decency, because they think the victims deserve it, are missing the bigger picture, and doing more to support the enemy than America.
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fellow Americans who condone or dismiss as trivial violations of law or basic decency, because they think the victims deserve it, are missing the bigger picture, and doing more to support the enemy than America.
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On the surface your opinion is admirable but deep down inside, and you know I am right, when your in a fight for your life you do WHATEVER THE PHUCK you have to do to survive.
Thats my opinion and Im not going to change it for some admirable but flawed opinion about taking one up the pipe because its the "right thing to do".
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Originally posted by Sandman
You bet it is.
The war on terror is moronic.
Call it what it is. The war on militant Islam.
You are quite correct, Sandman.
And that's what the rest of the world need to realize.
Once we've defined the enemy, we can deal with it.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You bet it is.
The war on terror is moronic.
Call it what it is. The war on militant Islam.
militant Islam = terrorism
war on militant Islam = war on terrorism
not moronic to me
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Originally posted by Eagler
militant Islam = terrorism
war on militant Islam = war on terrorism
not moronic to me
Terrorism is just a tool.
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Originally posted by VOR
Does anyone else think it's convenient that the Saudis caught up with them just after the fact and then killed the ringleader?
In Miami now...and off to Chile in 1.5 hours...
That is a very very good question.
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Originally posted by Yeager
fellow Americans who condone or dismiss as trivial violations of law or basic decency, because they think the victims deserve it, are missing the bigger picture, and doing more to support the enemy than America.
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On the surface your opinion is admirable but deep down inside, and you know I am right, when your in a fight for your life you do WHATEVER THE PHUCK you have to do to survive.
Thats my opinion and I'm not going to change it for some admirable but flawed opinion about taking one up the pipe because its the "right thing to do".
I'm not saying you roll over for this kind of crap. these people need to be hunted down and dealt with.
but you still follow the law, you don't use this stuff as a excuse to abuse prisoners, or hide them from the red-cross. you keep your head and think things through.
I don't care if you're fighting 1 person or any number, if you let them goad you into doing what they want you to do, you will lose.
BTW- "the right thing to do" is always the best move, thats why they call it that.
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I'm sorry but with technological capabilities today, how about a GPS aware personal tracking system/implant.
Require all contractors/soldiers to recieve the implants while in a hot zone?
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Originally posted by JB73
i dont like to be a part of these political discussions, but when i say "hurt" i dont mean jailing them, or even quickly having a sniper pick them off when found. i want them to see the true nature of violence, and what the word retribution really means.
This is what capt. apathy is talking about.
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QU[OTE]Originally posted by VOR
Does anyone else think it's convenient that the Saudis caught up with them just after the fact and then killed the ringleader? Was he maybe shot while trying to escape?
Just some purely random speculation here. I just reminded myself of one of those tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists. :lol
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They caught them because someone saw them acting suspiciously in a car and took down their number plate according to media reports. Simple as that. In fact if there was any conspiracy it would be the other way around and involve letting them get away. There was some suggestion that the Irish cameraman who was killed recently was lured there in part by someone in the police or national guard.
On that point the Saudi problem is not just directed at Americans. The recent attacks killed people from all over the world. It's directed at non muslims and is intended to scare all foreigners out of Saudi. When that happens we are all in trouble because Saudi depends on foreigners to run everything. Their next step is to overthrow the current regime. If we lose Saudi oil we can look forward to depression and expensive oil. Bang goes your gas guzzling lifestyle. Forget about Iraq, Saudi Arabia is where the front line is now. Forget all the macho posturing and retaliation talk.
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we would not lose saudi oil
you think we have a military presence in Iraq?
you aint seen nothing if saudi got unstable...
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Are they considered unstable if they refuse to sell us oil? They might be making a big napalm bomb or something with it. Call up the reserves.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Are they considered unstable if they refuse to sell us oil? They might be making a big napalm bomb or something with it. Call up the reserves.
They are considered unstable if all western influence leaves Saudi. It's not a matter of unwilling, they'd be unable to sell us or anyone else oil. This is the whole idea behind frightening all westerners out of the country by picking one now and again and sawing his head off. With an unstable/defunct government comes certain opportunities.
The reserves have already been called up.
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Exactly VOR. Al Qaeda have a kind of year zero plan for Saudi. We don't get their oil and they revert to some kind of fantasy Islamic past. Saudi Arabia is the front line in the war on terror and ironically the war to protect our lifestyle. But invading or 'liberating' Saudi Arabia is not an option, Eagler.
Now I don't think the Saudi people really want an Al Qaeda takeover nor indeed do they want the current corrupt regime. Fundamental changes are needed there and that will in part be the biggest task for any American president in the next few years. Bush or Kerry. But they do not want foreign troops on their soil.
I don't believe it is exaggerating to say it but our whole way of life depends on Saudi and middle eastern oil generally. Until oil is replaced our future depends on the whims of the Arabs. Not very reassuring.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
I don't believe it is exaggerating to say it but our whole way of life depends on Saudi and middle eastern oil generally. Until oil is replaced our future depends on the whims of the Arabs. Not very reassuring.
Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'
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Originally posted by Sandman
You bet it is.
The war on terror is moronic.
Call it what it is. The war on militant Islam.
It very well may be but considering the Islam is now larger then even Christianity would you want to be the leader of a country that makes that statement outright?
LOL I know I sure as hell wouldnt
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Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'
There is almost no spare capacity in oil production left in the short term. Russia is already producing as much as it can, Iraq the same. About the only county that can increase production in the short term is Saudi.
Saudi already supplies over 10% of the world's oil, without Saudi production there will be around 12% less oil being produced than consumed. Reserves won't last long at that rate.
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Originally posted by Otto
Not really, there's lots of oil around. We're just used to buying a lot of it from the Saudi's. If we can strike a deal with Russia and get what Iraq has to market the Saudi's can 'Pound Sand'
We account for 75% of saudi oil sales but yet we still only get a very small percentage of our oil from the middle east..
Last time I checked it was like 25% of our oil imports were of middle eastern origin.
Least so said the Dept of energy
Had the link but cant find it now. Perhaps someone else does
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Listened to a talk show on the radio on the way to work (at hooters in the am) and he made some radical points:
A hypocrite Muslim is a peaceful Muslim.
The war on terror would end if:
Terrorist's religion ( I will not get into details with this one) is related to Mein Kampf
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We stop purchasing oil from Saudi Arabia as they do fund terrorists, but the Bush Admin is "in bed" with the Saudi's.
In all honesty, the amount of lives lost is not a lot, its the amount of lives involved that is making people mad, there are whole groups of soldiers who are past their due dates to go home. A lot of them are tired and I don't blame them, we've accomplished what we came to do and they want to see their family, not some "Mad Max"-style country with people being kidnapped and murdered and constant fighting.
I say bring all the troops home and let the Middle East brew in their own stew. They hate having foreign troops in there, and we want troops home right? There, problem solved. Sure, security may be needed but then again, what is the worst that can happen? All it would take is one slip-up in offensive action and we'd go back there and shut it down. Its a vicious cycle folks, and no doubt we'll be dealing with these threats for years to come.
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Originally posted by AWMac
I, myself, as an American is totally tired of the kidgloved watermelon America has been doing lately. We need to strongly, forcefully hold countries like Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Yemen and Iran responsible for the venomous hatered they spewl towards America's Freedom!
When you've quite finished wrapping yourself in your flag, you might like to consider the fact that America's traditional disdain towards "freedom" in some of the countries you list is at the root of the current problems in the region.
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Originally posted by RTSigma
..Terrorist's religion ( I will not get into details with this one) is related to Mein Kampf.
FYI... ;)
Hitler's Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler's "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race… are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.
Regards,
Badger