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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Flyboy on June 19, 2004, 08:02:46 AM
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which one is the batter one?
allso, both of them are AGP8 cards, and my MB only has a AGP4 slot, will i get a performence decrease when using 1 of those cards?
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The AGP will make little or no difference. Both those cards are about equal in performance terms.. Go for the cheapest of the two. Be careful though, cards a lot faster are only a litle more expensive at the moment. A 128 Mb Radeon 9800 Pro can be had for £120 here in UK at present.
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Both those cards will perform well though.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
which one is the batter one?
allso, both of them are AGP8 cards, and my MB only has a AGP4 slot, will i get a performence decrease when using 1 of those cards?
9600XT will have a slight edge over the 5700u.
whels
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Turn on AA and AF and watch the Nvidia card come to a crawl.
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Don't bother with AA, AF. You turn it off for Halo, on for AH, off for Far Cry ya-da-yada. Best leave it off. They are both overrrated anyhow.
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thanks guys, ill go for the radeon then :)
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1 more question here.
where is the bottle neck in my machine, since i am allready in too upgrading.. i might as well change it too
intel P4 1500
motherboard- Biostar M7TDA/B/R/E/F/P4TDK
256Mb memory SDRAM
(soon to be a radeon9600XT 128ddr)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
1 more question here.
where is the bottle neck in my machine, since i am allready in too upgrading.. i might as well change it too
intel P4 1500
motherboard- Biostar M7TDA/B/R/E/F/P4TDK
256Mb memory SDRAM
(soon to be a radeon9600XT 128ddr)
1. Processor Speed
2. Amount of memory
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I have Athlon 1.4GHz and 512Mb system. I had originally GF2 but last week i updated it to 9600XT 128Mb. At first there was a slight increase of frame rates with the Catalyst drivers that came with the card. After I updated to the latest drivers (4.6) the frame rates dropped, now they are about the same as with GF2. At lowest (e.g. 10-20 planes nearby) about 15fps, so its almost inplayable.:mad:
The new card improves frame rates and graphics quality very much in all other games I have, but not in AH2. I have not tried all graphic 'tweaks' of AH2, but don't expect too much from AH2 if you buy 9600XT.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
1 more question here.
where is the bottle neck in my machine, since i am allready in too upgrading.. i might as well change it too
intel P4 1500
motherboard- Biostar M7TDA/B/R/E/F/P4TDK
256Mb memory SDRAM
(soon to be a radeon9600XT 128ddr)
yes the p4 1.5 is weak link, need to get around 2.5 or 3ghz.
Mem u really need 512, DDR if ur board can use it.
whels
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Originally posted by TimRas
The new card improves frame rates and graphics quality very much in all other games I have, but not in AH2. I have not tried all graphic 'tweaks' of AH2, but don't expect too much from AH2 if you buy 9600XT.
really?!
anyone els use a R9600xt and have those bad FR? sounds fishy to me :confused:
Timras maybe AH2 is set on too high on your computer? just a thought.
-another point, how can i check if my MB suport DDr memmory?
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With the processor you have the 5700 will smoke the 9600 but you will need at least a 400W power supply to run the 5700 whereas the 9600 will run ok at 350W.
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Originally posted by TimRas
I have Athlon 1.4GHz and 512Mb system. I had originally GF2 but last week i updated it to 9600XT 128Mb. At first there was a slight increase of frame rates with the Catalyst drivers that came with the card. After I updated to the latest drivers (4.6) the frame rates dropped, now they are about the same as with GF2. At lowest (e.g. 10-20 planes nearby) about 15fps, so its almost inplayable.:mad:
The new card improves frame rates and graphics quality very much in all other games I have, but not in AH2. I have not tried all graphic 'tweaks' of AH2, but don't expect too much from AH2 if you buy 9600XT.
$100 says you didnt COMPLETELY remove some of the old stuff left over from your Nvidia card (drivers, dll files etc etc ). It is very well known that going from Nvidia to ATI will severly degrade the performance of your new ATI card. My suggestion................... ......reformat, clean OS install
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Don't bother with AA, AF. You turn it off for Halo, on for AH, off for Far Cry ya-da-yada. Best leave it off. They are both overrrated anyhow.
I take it you either have a crappy monitor or crappy eyesight ;)
To me, FSAA makes a *HUGE* difference.
With my Radeon 9800 Pro I can leave 4x FSAA and 8x AF on all the time with little performance drop on any game, including Far Cry, UT2004, IL2 AEP, AH 2.
In KOTOR I can even use 6x FSAA and 16x AF below 12x10 res and its perfectly smooth and looks absolutely gorgeous.
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ok so there are 2 questions now
1. how do i check if my MB can suport DDR memmory?
2. how do i get a 400W power supply to the vid card?
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after downloading the MB manual i came across this:
"supports up to 2GB 4 for single-sided or 2 double-sided DDR 200/266 MHz (with ECC) devices, running at 400/533mhz front side bus frequency.
guess that answer my question :)
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#1 Ahh you figured out #1
#2 You buy a 400W Power Supply and it comes with a nifty set of "directions". Should'nt be to hard figure out from there. GL Bud ! damnit, reflex !
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Connection wrote
I take it you either have a crappy monitor or crappy eyesight
No, I have an excellent monitor, I just don't notice the huge difference. Perhaps I do have crappy eyesight. I just hate how you have to keep going into the settings and changing them for every game. When the games have their own AA/AF settings it will be easier.
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I have a 128MB Radeon 9600XT and it is only fair for AH2, not spectacular. Remember that the 9600XT is a "value" board and only has about half the guts of a 9800 (ie half the rendering pipelines). At 1280x1024x32 with 4XFSAA and all AH2 sliders to the left I get unplayable frame rates (about 10 to 20 fps). With the sliders about 30% from the left I get a more playable 30-50 fps.
One aspect I noticed in changing from an Nvidia card to an ATI card is the ATI card has problems with z-buffer: things that should be hidden behind forground objects often show through them. This is especially annoying to GV drivers as you cannot tell if your shells are hitting long or short as a round that hit behind your target can show in front of it. This showed up with AH1 and continues with AH2. Perhaps I have something misconfigured, but everthing is stock (drivers, clock rates etc.)
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P4 2.8C, 512MB 400DDR dual channel ram, DX9.0a
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another question, the radeon 9800se is at around the same price of the 9600xt
which one of those 2 is preffered?
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Looking at the December benchmarking article at tomshardware.com, the 9600 pro wins some comparisons, and the 9800se wins others. You'd have to ask folks running these cards, who also have systems similar to what you intend to run.
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SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800SE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -BULK
Yes $134.00 Newegg.com
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Of your remaining components the one component you MUST
upgrade is your RAM. 512mb minimum.
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Until you upgrade cpu and ram, you won't see much if any performance increase out of an expensive card like the 9800Pro. As for the 9800SE it is not quite as fast as the 9600XT or 5700U. I used Tom's to score cards by comparing the frame rates in all 19 benchmarks to the frame rates of the 9800XT and expressing them as a percentage. If you give the 9800XT a score of 100, the 9600XT scores 69.6, the 5700U 68.2 and the 9800SE 66. These are so close, the games you play would be the deciding factor. Based on anecdotal evidence (problems reported on the forum by ATI users) the 5700U would probably be the better choice in AH2.
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hey yas, thanks for advice.
i'll go with an asus mb pc2700 want 3gig ddr- 400,333,266 fsb etc, with amd, and maxtor 120 gig 7200 rpm hd, 420 watt power supply with dual fans.
i was looking at asus site for water cooled but didnt see any, maybe i missed them.
anyone know of better or comparable MBs than ASUS?
again thanks:D
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*DO*NO*BUY*ANY*ATI*SE*PRODUCT!!!
People, please. There are plenty of benchmarks out there. Questions can be answered here but dont expect to get your hand held and guided as you plan to make a $100+ purchase.
Read the reviews, read the benchmarks, make a smart purchase.
http://www.anandtech.com
http://www.hardocp.com
http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.guru3d.com
http://www.firingsquad.com
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Hi guys.
It seems unbelievable but my new ATI RADEON 9600 256Mb (all tweaks at half way) run worst or equal at my previous RADEON 7200 64Mb with all the tweaks at minimum that means 25 to 35 FPS when screen is crowded.
What kind of tweaks may I use I don't know.
I've used Catalyst 4.6 and Omega drivers but
probably I'll reinstall the Catalyst 4.3 instead of those.
I think the 4.3 are faster.
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Originally posted by FOGOLD
Don't bother with AA, AF. You turn it off for Halo, on for AH, off for Far Cry ya-da-yada. Best leave it off. They are both overrrated anyhow.
He can use profiles for each game, look into it. Don't tell the guy not to run the cards AA and AF settings, thats the best part of new vcards.
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Originally posted by Sadist
hey yas, thanks for advice.
i'll go with an asus mb pc2700 want 3gig ddr- 400,333,266 fsb etc, with amd, and maxtor 120 gig 7200 rpm hd, 420 watt power supply with dual fans.
i was looking at asus site for water cooled but didnt see any, maybe i missed them.
anyone know of better or comparable MBs than ASUS?
again thanks:D
I don't know that any mobo manufacturer would offer watercooled options for their boards, they would leave it to the aftermarket people to supply these. There are some big sites dedicated to overclocking and cooling, jsut type those words into the browser search bar to get more info than you could ever use.
3 gig of ram is overkill, at least for AH2. There may be apps where that much could help, but none that I know of.