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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Happy1 on June 19, 2004, 03:36:36 PM
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Greetings every1 :D Here's a book to warm the cockles of ur hearts in flying correctly the above listed planes :
1- Flying the P-38 in Combat as given by Capt.W.K. "Kenny" Gi-
roux, a double ace in the P38.
2- Flying the P-40 in Combat as given by Capt. Robert M. DeHa-
ven, a 14-victory ace.
3- Flying the P-47 in Combat as given by LtCol. Wm D. Dunham,
a 16-victory ace.
The reports are extracted from "Twelve to One-Fighter Combat
Tactics in the SWPA (Southwest Pacific Area)", a 5th Fighter Com-
mand publication.
4- Combat Tactics in the Southwest Pacific Area by Capt. Thomas
B. McGuire, Jr.
Here's what the aces thought of the P-38 & it's views,"The
cockpit was comfortable & NOT the tight fit of the P-39 nor the deep
seat of the P-47. You sat HIGH with plenty of room with EXCEL-
LENT visibility except at the 2 o'clock & 10 o'clock positions due to
the engine nacelles.
The cockpit was large enough so that you could loosen your safe-
ty belt & stretch out a bit. The P-38 could be trimmed up to almost fly hands off.
The name of the book:"PACIFIC SWEEP: THE 5TH & 13TH FIGHTER
COMMANDS IN WORLD WAR II", an illustrated, anecdotal history by William N. Hess
I highly recommend this book for all, interesting reading holding
ur attention all the way. This book is available from the Book Libraries. (Check ur Library) Enloy & Learn ! :aok
Cheers,
Happy1 :D
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Thanks! Always up for some good reads. :D
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i realy wish i could find out how well that thing does when faced with good pilots and not slow vals or 109g-6s with pliots that had 2 weeks of training
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Originally posted by simshell
i realy wish i could find out how well that thing does when faced with good pilots and not slow vals or 109g-6s with pliots that had 2 weeks of training
Bong and McGuire seemed to have no troubles against vet IJAF or IJN pilots.
ack-ack
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As a matter of fact, some pilots who were avg fighter pilots in the SWPA (SouthWest Pacific Arena), when transferred to ETO, be-
came aces.
Fighter pilot Preddy (P51s) was but one (1) of these, that in itself
tells u that the Japanese IJAF & IJN were better than avg pilots
the 1st three (3) years of the war.
What made the difference was different aerial tactics used in different theatres of war & the better pilots being killed off by
well-trained U.S. pilots, type of tactics used & better planes.
Happy1 :D
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Speaking of P-38s...
AKAK, I went offline and performed some of the same maneuvers I did in the old AH1 films to see how the AH2 P-38 matches up. I was actually able to loop the thing completely using two notches below full flaps. It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.
I can't think of anything else in the game that can match those kinds of vertical capabilities.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Pyro stating the lift from flaps was being altered.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114508&highlight=flaps
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Speaking of P-38s...
AKAK, I went offline and performed some of the same maneuvers I did in the old AH1 films to see how the AH2 P-38 matches up. I was actually able to loop the thing completely using two notches below full flaps. It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.
I can't think of anything else in the game that can match those kinds of vertical capabilities.
-- Todd/Leviathn
you can also do a double Immelman with a stall loop at the end with as little as 225mph IAS.
ack-ack
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It seems much more flaps responsive than before. I also managed to hang it in the straight vertical at speeds approaching 0mph before it would drop its nose gently down.
I've managed to get to 0 mph and accelerate backwards before flipping over.
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Originally posted by Ecliptik
I've managed to get to 0 mph and accelerate backwards before flipping over.
I would love to see that on film.....please :D
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I'd like to see that film too. All I've been able to make it do when it reaches 0 MPH is to have it automatically flip it self over without any input. Reminds me of the old AW stall loop.
ack-ack
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It was once after a lot of trying, in the earlier AHII betas. Your center of gravity has to be so perfectly balanced that getting it is a crap shoot. I filmed a few tries the other night and this was the closest I got. (http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~wilson/film28.ahf)
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what does performing these manuvers accomplish?
can't someone come from under and catch u dead in the air?
or can someone take me into arena and show me what it can do if im on your 6?
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They can't catch you if they're flopping around below you stalled out.
ack-ack
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^ exactly
If equal E states exist and you're on the edge of stall and out of their firing range, they will also [most likely] be stalling. On the way down, you'll find yourself perched on their six :)
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And since no other plane is capable of reaching 0 mph in a vertical zoom, the 38 has a definite edge there. In the 38 it's often possible to rope someone who has a little more initial energy than you, especially with double and triple immelmans.
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how did the P38 fair in europe say during 41 to 43 thats if it was there in 41
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Originally posted by simshell
how did the P38 fair in europe say during 41 to 43 thats if it was there in 41
The P-38F was active in Euro in '42. There were some early mechanical problems with the early P-38s that hindered its performance at high altitudes and coupled with extremely poor pilot training and 8th AAF politics, gave the impression that the P-38 was at best a second or third rate fighter. Even though by the time the P-38J-25-L0 series rolled out that fixed most of the problems and then the L model that also had the fixes and improvements to the airframe, the 8thAAF high command which had a bomber pilot's mentality had pretty much written off the P-38 as an effective fighter. Of course they were proven wrong when you look at the record of the P-38 in the MTO and the PTO/CBO theaters.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
They can't catch you if they're flopping around below you stalled out.
ack-ack
(http://www.jamesreese.org/hangarflying/images/S_i5p5i1.jpg)
It was even in Lockheeds newsletter
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I have been having alot of fun "tumbling" the p38 with one engine, you can really snap it around like this, turning off one eng at critical stall while performing a hammer then providing aggressive throttle in that eng so you dont swing like a clock pendelum. Also i am working on regaining control once put into a complete crazy spin, trying to turn it upside down and using alerons backwards when falling to your 6 and such. I bet skill at doing this would work well fighting a6ms and spits.
I wonder what kinda moves bong did, i hear he beat the heck out of his plane, poping rivets and bending the air frame from his intense flying, which suggests he did some crazy arobatic moves.
It seems i find something amazing the p38 can do every day. :)