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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 11, 2000, 07:45:00 AM
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When I first played this sim a couple of months ago (v.34) I was pleasantly pleased...as of late, totally estatic!
I still can't get over how much immersion this sim gives one..I fought in an eight-plane furball (we had 4, they had 4) in the mountain valleys, talk about a kick in the pants! I about had a heart attack by the time the 10 minute duel was over! Totally immersed. Told the wife she may come home from work one day with me slumped over the keyboard, couldn't think of a better way to go out!
Dogfights in the clouds, Wow! though the icon disappears, you can still make out the silouettes, too cool, wish the game had more weather, even thunderheads, but I imagine that would kill FR. HT, run for President,and have Pyro, etc. for your cabinet... you'll get my vote.
Does anyone know if GUNCAM will work on this? I haven't tried it yet, I know it works in about 3 sims I have...also, did a few screen captures, and the colors are all messed up when I view them, is this caused by my JPG viewer?
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
"Whats this button for?"
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Having finally played long enough that I have acquired some minimum gunnery skills (read: I no longer use the Brand W "D4" as the firing limit) I would have to agree. Skill level seems to be rising all around as everyone gets the hang of it. The flight modeling is coming along well, too, and this is helping to make all the planes more competitive. Yes, some planes are still easier to kill in than others for me, but that is more a play style issue than something wrong with the modeling.
Looking with anticipation to the future!
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"Does anyone know if GUNCAM will work on this?"
You know that AH has a built-in guncam, right?
popeye
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Popeye, I did not know that! How has it affected your FR when turned on? I guess I'll answer that question tonight when I try it.
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Yep. Some of us Air Warrior types are coming along as well. Took a little while to get used to the lack of a "hit bubble" and the constant need to trim, but whats nice is that the ACM and SA skills from Full Real over there applies exactly the same over here.
Unlike AW, the Mustang even has a place in air combat.
-Ding
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This is my first on-line sim and Ripsnort I could not agree with you more. The last few weeks have been very intense.
The flyers have been more and more experienced and there is trouble where ever you go.
Sunday night, Knights were protecting F20 that had no ack! Oh Boy!! Talk about a Rook beacon. Everyway I turned there were Knights and Rooks shooting, getting shot at, exploding, smoking, and breaking up. Six calls all over! Totally wild!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Last night someone called that F16 was in trouble and within 2-3 minutes there were about 7-10 Knights there to defend against one of the most deadly team of Bishops I have ever seen. These guys were good!!! We held them off but did they take a toll!! I finally went to bed and couldn't sleep!
I logged off at about 11:15pm EST. and it was still going full force. I don't know if I can take much more of this! I do have to do a lot less flying as I am taking accounting for the next 16 weeks! Two nights a week! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But I will be on once in awhile to give BaneX a chance to find me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P.S. If you know either TT or Dolomite are up in that damn C205, give them a wide berth unless you have a distinct advantage. Those SOBs are good in that thing!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P.S.S. Should of written "those guys/gals were good" Covering all possibilities!
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 01-11-2000).]
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Rip: Use alt-r to toggle guncam, it doesn't affect FR as far as I can tell.
(did u really tell your wife u couldn't think of a better way to die than playing AH?)
--ra--
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Last night someone called that F16 was in trouble and within 2-3 minutes there were about 7-10 Knights there to defend against one of the most deadly team of Bishops I have ever seen. These guys were good!!! We held them off but did they take a toll!! I finally went to bed and couldn't sleep!
Curse you rooks! 33rd tried to turn the tide there last nite but there were just too many Nits uppin from the field. Bish's had some real killers up and running around there last nite...Wardog, Hangtime, TT, Wlvrn, Nuttz. Lotta good Bish pilots.
Seems everyone is getting pretty good now. Even was going to congratulate an enemy Stang pilot on some "Interesting evasives there" when I was pleasantly greeted with a "Yeah, you woulda been dead if it werent 3 on 1" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Funny, despite the fact that he was in my gunsite the whole time, I didnt realize I was in such mortal danger! I need to be a bit more careful next time! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nice flying Nits!
-Ding
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Its a shame some people never tell the whole truth.. That person in question was DoctorYO..
I would like to state that psuedo-antagonistic behavior such as making comments "interesting maneuvers" as opposed to “hey nice evasives” could be taken as a trash talking. Yes I will say again if it weren't for the 3 on 1 you would be dead... Your comments after were "yeah you warped etc**... etc**..") Note the warp comment is not posted on the BB, Typical…
**etc standing for other bull you said.. in one ear out the other..
In a 3 on 1 if the 3 in 7-8 gun passes can't kill the low slow mustang who is pulling every trick he has, throttle chops, side slips, clever jinking and scissors; that only shows the novice piloting on the attackers part. Give me that situation and 2 gun passes. How you ask? simple throttle chop.. All three of you never chopped throttle and locked on to my tail like you should have and I exploited your excess speed by using the ground as a corner to back myself into. I bought myself 35-45 secs after initial engagement, but due to knights inferior numbers help never came.. All in all you were finally victorious and thats how it goes usually in a 3 on 1, but don't expect me to say nice kill when you spray and pray and then make questionable comments to boot.
Until HT develops a ladder type of system I will not be able to prove my claim that you would be worked over like mess hall bacon by me, but I think I can wait till then.. Can you??
Please don’t take my comments to heart I don't want to cause you any strife.
BUT
In a nutshell if you talk trash, expect trash back; and don’t go whining on a BB for acceptance from your peers.
exp. Bash had a nice head-on on me(if there is such a thing) I taunted by saying "nice head-on" he quickly parried with "you gave it to me" my response, “Baaah” ... you know he was right...
See a nice friendly verbal exchange can be given. No whining continuously or BB Spam. Just your comment, and then my comment… or vise versa: end of exchange…
Don't see him whining on this BB...nor do you see me telling partial truths to further my own acceptance in this AH community.. get a life and cry on someone else’s shoulder.
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Dweeb flames on grammar spelling and other bull is lame, this is E type and treat it as such.
If you have flames contact me directly as opposed to clogging this BB with Funk..
Dryoh@hotmail.com
Regards,
DoctorYO
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Perfect case in point. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
-Ding
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eHmmmmmmmmmmm..... Mr. "DoctorYo" I must take exception.
.. anybody who gets killed is DEAD.. squeaking about the conditions of death do not in the slightest modify the FACT of the event.. you screwed up; obviously. You're dead. And your griping after the fact is "Talking Trash"
As far as "interesting evasives" goes.. well I've seen warping and stick stirring.. I suppose we all have. I can clearly recall several occasions when I've asked other pilots engaged on a target "did you see THAT?" and I am of course referring to the target under fire hopping about like a rabbit on hot coal.. I usually type to the pilot "please ck your connect; you are warping" Most often the pilot responds with "thanks; I'll relog". Sometimes I get "not me; amazinhunk" When I hear the second I figure I've got a stick stirrer.
So; Good Doctor.. I suggest that the pilot who relayed amazement at your (unsuccessful) evasives was only attempting to find out if you were warping, exhibiting a new Kevlar AC type we ain't familiar with.. or doing something else.
Your hostile response to an even toned question (it was not accusatory) told him the answer.
>>>In a nutshell if you talk trash, expect trash back; and don’t go whining on a BB for acceptance from your peers.<<<
Peer?? You?? Not hardly. I submit you reside far further down the foodchain than pilots like Bash, Dingy or Swager. I don't give the proverbial rats behind how well you can fly whatever it is you fight in.. yer nasty attitude will make shooting you down at a severe disadvantage in this arena with tactics and teamwork a pure pleasure. ... but thats not the point of Dingys post; or the train of this thread.
Further, aside from your rather surly remarks online you then take Dingys and others positive comments on this BBS regarding the quality of an enjoyable engagement and use them as an opportunity to twist it into your own diatribe on the assumed lack of your opponents skills and then question their judgement in challenging your connect or possible stick stirring...? Then convey yer sooooooooo damn good that a ladder match will prove it??.. LOL. Sounds ta me like you are and were the one talking trash "Doctor".
No sir.. I don't know (nor care) just what bug crawled up yer bellybutton and made you decide to hop on Dingy & Swagers posts with this ration of crap; but it's uncalled for, useless, and purely outta line. I think yah owe the guys an apology.
Of course; this is just my opinion.. I could be wrong. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 01-11-2000).]
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Grrr.
That was ME hang.
In the La-5FN outside F16
And yes it was a damned good fight but there was no "whining" at the end. Fact is that I was ticked off you guys made that deflection shot on my tail just as I went for my reversal to try and move in on the stang that was following me. It was good timing and luck on his part as he must have started his dive a good 5 seconds before I started my loop.
The 3 vs 1 comment was simply a statement of facts, it was because of the odds I died so quickly. At which at least Wardog got the humour and needled me a bit. And yes, when I get a pony in the weeds I _NEED_ blood to keep me happy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) considering the amount of work it takes to get you buggers down there.
As I recall you didn't consider it whining at the time, you were replying that you actually loved flying the P51 in the canyons. A comment that had me headed back for you with doc in tow ASAP looking for a little fun. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
BTW I don't think Dingy meant me, he mentioned an enemy P51 pilot.
[This message has been edited by Sorrow[S=A] (edited 01-11-2000).]
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Yer right Sorrow!! 100% Dammo.. my apologies. My original post was edited while you were posting yours... I had some dinner after the first post; replayed some of my recorded sections of the fights last night and realised I had the engagement with you confused with DrYo's. After the edit I found your post.. Most folks will be confused by this.. they'll not see the account of that amazing fight in the canyon.. all of it edited out of the post as it stands now.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (one of the best I've ever been in)
Sir; My aplogies.. again, that was an awsome fight.. and my hats off ta yah. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I beg your forgiveness.... I grovel... I'm not worthy....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Hey, no problem.
Your forgiven just as soon as you repost your take on that fight.
<Very evil grin>
Being in the same squad as Leonid, Botwa and Gie as well as 202854 means I need every reassurance I can get that I am flying the plane well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(in that company I am considered a beginner.. doesn't that scare you a little bit?)
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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I think it was two night ago, Pang33 was in a Pony and I was in a pony also.
He started with E, but I mangaged to turn inside him.
I looped around and he went nose down, and looped back.
Pretty soon we were in a vertical fight and he dragged me towards a veltro, the veltro had too much E for an Effective pass but I couldn't allow him the easy shot, we sort of had a quick HO and instead of biting for the Veltro, I saved my E and went back after Pang who did a flat turn (I suspect hoping that I was in a fight with the veltro.)
Pang must have been suprised to see me in on him again, cause again his nose went down. we got in to tighter and tighter spirals, noses heading to the ground, throttles chopping and then sliding full again.
Lotta blackouts and red outs.
I noticed we were getting low, and hauled back on the stick, there was a black out, and when I cleared I rolled over and started an inverted loop. The next thing I see is Pang making an impression on the ground.
I think in that 10 minute or 30 second fight I didn't even squeeze the trigger.
I got the kill cause I was closest when Pang hit the ground.
Right away in the buffer I see a message from Pang.
"Whoa, my palms are sweaty."
I replied that it was a hell of a fight.
I don't wanna say my SA was better than Pangs, I didn't have the added distraction of someone on my six at the time of the fight.
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Hals und beinbruch!
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BTW another rook who must have seen most of the fight between Pang and I commented on how cool it looked.
I also got congradulated on an HO pass at a Nik, but I was low, and he was High, and I didn't have the speed to run away, so I flipped him the bird as he killed me. I just got lucky and took his wing.
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Hals und beinbruch!
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BTW I don't think Dingy meant me, he mentioned an enemy P51 pilot.
You are quite correct Sorrow. I did not mean you, I was referring to Yo.
I also had a chance to fite Downtown in 51s last nite! That was another interesting fite! It shows what happens when a smart pilot (Downtown) with more E gets on the six of a lesser pilot (me) using "interesting evasives". I was able to use a sideslip to blow LOTS of E quick and Downtown quickly blew past me. Was he in mortal danger? Of course not. He pulled up into a verticle zoom climb which I then tried to follow. Since he had so much more E than me, I quickly wallowed at which point he came back down and killed me as was trying to regain control.
E kills.
-Ding
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Anyone ever notice how INTENSE the game gets in those 15-60 seconds of "I know I'm going to die", but you fight like a "White Banshee" trying not to get splashed?
Those 15-60 seconds last so long, when you are in the silk, you say to yourself "Dang! I'm tired, that lasted forever".
More to get the "Kill", but that ain't so UN FUN either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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Hangtime,
Be happy... I know it sucks up in Long Island this time of year but don't take your bad day as the jump on the flame Doctor Yo bandwagon... This thread originaly was a nice pleasant exchange of complements which was turned into a whinning match of opinuated fact.
This was one of the first actual decent threads on this BB as opposed to whinning and crying about aircraft and flight models..
It caused me pain when someone whinned and I put my two cents in.. Now you get involved and I need my wading boots from all the dung comming out of your mouth. You even did the dreaded cut and paste technique of dweebism.
This is starting to remind me of a Linux/NT debate of complete nonsense and biased opinions.
Didn't you get your so savored kill last night when I was low and slow.. You even tried to taunt but I gave you no satisfaction...(last night I thought your "nice break" was advice or complement but this morning after reading you dung post I can see it was only a trivial attempt to taunt me.)
Some advice "Pipe Down" a bit its better for your heart.
8D 8D 8D 8D smiles make you live longer........
Regards,
DoctorYO
PS: of course you need to have the last post(its in your Tristate Area Gene Code) so put in your dweeb comment.. and don'y worry I wont post on this thread no more..
"good riddens DoctorYO,your rebel scum"
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Hey it's hangtime.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well i to will have to agree. The night i started back playing AH i took off in my trusty P51 "Nick named the Wildride if anyone cares" and turned towrad a base. about halfway there i came across 5 bad guys with only 2 of my guys. So i turned down on them and figured i'd help them out. Well after pulling in behind 2 bad guys following one of my guys, i desided to take them out. after picking off the closest guy to me. i took out the other guy and turned to find out what happen to my 2nd guy. After finding him running low being chased. i turn on the bad guy chasing him and opened up with everything i had. The plane lost a wing and rolled in. I then turned back to see another guy coming in from above. I looped back to get off a good burst, it was enough to get him smoking and i think he lost some parts too. He flew for a bit but then crashed before i can give him anymore lead. With one of my other guys getting the 5th guy i turned back to base since i was now winchester. went back to base and landed. My first night back to AH was the best mission i have flown inthe game yet.
AH has me hooked again...
Raz
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I'm not going to get into the trash talking, "you suck" , "no , YOU suck", part of this thread.
But from a purely tactical point of view, I have to disagree with this statement.
. Give me that situation and 2 gun passes. How you ask? simple throttle chop.. All three of you never chopped throttle and locked on to my tail like you should have and I exploited your excess speed by using the ground as a corner to back myself into. I bought myself 35-45 secs after initial engagement, but due to knights inferior numbers help never came.. All in all you were finally victorious and thats how it goes usually in a 3 on 1, but don't expect me to say nice kill when you spray and pray and then make questionable comments to boot.
I guess if your sole objective is to "get that kill" you may be right.
But to me, the great pilots are ones who get kills, and then get home to land them.
To me the pilot that got 50 kills in a tour, and only died 5 times, is a much better pilot that got 350 kills but died 200 times.
This is pervasive misconception in AH pilots. Many compare kills, but they neglect to look at how many times they died getting those kills. Typical Turn & Burn mentality.
If you are engaging an enemy who is both lower and slower than you are, it is downright stupid to give up that advantage, by chopping throttle and dropping onto his 6 to "lock in". Especially if he is flying a P-51, F4U, or Fw190.
Here's why:
1.) He can now reverse on you. Why give him the chance? He can't reverse if you have both Altitude and E, unless you let him. And a smart pilot will never let him.
2.) You are now in the exact same energy/positional state that he is in. In other words if you thought he was "easy meat". You now just put yourself into the exact same position for any of his buddies that come along during the fight.
3.) Who cares if the guy buys himself 30-45 seconds? Dead is dead. And now you have a superior position for the next fight, or for your extension or rtb.
4.) If his buddies show up on the horizon, you actually have the ability to dis-engage yourself from the fight you are in, and extend to the support of friendlies or a base. Or as Juzz likes to call it "Run like a Screaming little Girl" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes, I know many of you find this style of flying boring. But this is what the reality of real WWII ACM was all about.
"Live to Fight another day"
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) "
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 01-12-2000).]
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'Or as Juzz likes to call it "Run like a Screaming little Girl" '
Why pick on little girls? I've always liked what the DI said in Battle Cry, "...then take off like a striped-ass ape" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Spinny, VF-17, The Jolly Rogers 8X
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But did they have as much fun?
My belief is not to judge the quality of a pilot by their K/D ratio.
Many of my deaths have been from taking off from a vulched field in a vain attempt to keep it from being captured. Just something I like to do! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The other deaths come from pilots, both with high and low K/Ds, blowing me out of the sky. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Oh! I also crash alot!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Trust me there are some top notch pilots out there with even or low K/D ratios. (Even being 1).
Yes, one of the main objectives is not to die.
With this said it comes down to what a certain individual is looking for in a combat flight simulation. What is that person's definition of fun? What is the flying style?
What keeps that person comming back time and time again? It is not always the high K/D.
Just my thoughts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Have a nice day!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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Originally posted by Swager:
But did they have as much fun?
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With this said it comes down to what a certain individual is looking for in a combat flight simulation. What is that person's definition of fun? What is the flying style?
What keeps that person comming back time and time again? It is not always the high K/D.
Just my thoughts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Have a nice day!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Perfectly stated! S!
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Having fun is a personal preference. Do what you want and have fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I am not trying to tell you to fly my style. And I much admit that flying to live is somewhat drier. And no K/D is not everything. But getting the intended job done in the most efficent manner is what is important.
Also it is not a matter of flying style. You can TnB, E Fight, or BnZ, all with the intent too live. In fact the most deadly plane in the arena is someone who flies a Spitfire, in a vertical style like a 109.
Personally, I see taking off from a vulched field a bad choice as a pilot, you would have been much more effective in defense by taking off from a rear field. So here I wouldn't judge anyone a bad pilot because they died, but because they were less effective than they could have been in their stated intent of defending the field.
So how would you judge a "good" pilot? By the number of kills? Yes I see some names mentioned as being "killer pilots" because their name shows up in the kill buffer alot. Ironically, they also show up alot under the "was killed" category too.
But are they a good pilot, or a good gunner/shot? If your a good shot, you can easily take a Fw190 and N1K2 and dive into the fur and rake in the kills. But IMO a good pilot would have gotten out of that alive to go home and land those kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Its easy to sit back and pick apart my definition (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) So tell me yours, what makes a good pilot? And provide examples.
But lets go back to my original intent of my post on the Tactics of the fight under discussion. The topic wasn't about what is the most fun way to conduct a aerial fight, the topic was which was the better way to kill the bandit low and slow on the deck.
So you would say that its better to "lock in" on the enemy's six that is low and slow?
FYI: I don't think of myself as a good pilot either, I don't fly enough hours to keep up a razor sharp edge. I make bad judgements, die when I shouldn't, and like you Swager about half of my current deaths are crackups on takeoff and landings (strangely, mostly on takeoff). Another point to consider is that even after 6 years of flying I still have incredibly horrible gunnery. So this is definitely not a "I'm better than you are post". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) "
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 01-12-2000).]
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I don't think that anyone meant to offend you, Vermillion. I think (at least the way I read it) Swager was trying to point out that being a good pilot isn't necessarily tied to living or dying strictly. Moreover, he hinted that while flying to live is good, it can be boring. I find that furball flying can teach me ACM faster (in some ways) than the lone, high-alt missions that I often do.
What is a good pilot? To me, it is the one that can kill you anytime he wishes. I respect those with high K/D ratios, and for a time I was doing pretty fair at it. But in the end, I am having far more fun, and becoming much more proficient, by wading into the fights with different aircraft. I am learning what works and what doesn't. After this is no longer beta, and if I'm so inclined, I will look at the scores more. As it stands, I feel reasonably competent to mix it up in any aircraft with any other aircraft and know what to do to win.
When I fly high all I learn is to stay high and pounce. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Verm your post had this in the signature:
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfire"
I fly both, what would I be, a Real Nancy Man? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
"Whats this button for?"
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Dolomite: I didn't get offended (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Was just debating the subject at hand. It takes alot more than that to piss me off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ripsnort: Nahhh.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) your still a Nancy Boy, until you totally give up that crutch of a dweebfire and move over to a manly plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Just kidding.
Actually I used that line one day in the arena, to taunt someone who was bragging about how good of a pilot they were... in a Spitfire.
I got so many laughs and funny comments on it, that I thought it would make a great signature.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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LOL Sorrow.. OK; per your request; an account of the Monday night fight in the canyon.
Sorrow was in an La5; headed from f16 to f5, about 2k over the canyonland plateau when we spotted him. I was (as always) in a P51 with Dingy in trail (also P51) at co-alt with the La5; closing headon at D6. Above us was Rude; also a P51; who had called the con and had started a diving attack. The La5 made a smart reversal, and Rude; having a substantial head of steam on; pulled back up high to bleed some E. Meanwhile; the La5, noting our close proximity (about d3 at this point) ducked into the canyon. Right about here my ears perked right up… having the better turnfighter but being outnumbered the La5 has elected to use the terrain to equalize the situation. Since this is exactly what I would have done; I figured we had a good fight brewing..
As Dingy and I pursued; the la5 made another reversal; bringing guns on both of us.. declining a direct HO, Dingy broke right; I went left. When I got my eyeballs on the la5 again he was saddling up on Dingy. Dingy pulled a bit up; tucked under into a low yo-yo and avoided the tracking shot the la5 was developing and bringing the target closer to me. I was pretty far back; basicly coming back to an HO in a two circle fight when the La5; seeing the impending guns solution I was setting up; snapped back into the vertical.
Dingy and I passed each other cockpit to cockpit; on the deck at the bottom of the canyon while the wily La5 was roaring up right above us. “hunh” I mumbled.. “this guys good..” Now separated from Dingy, the La5 has forgone the chance to flick over the top of the canyon rim to safety (rude was up there.. still looking for a shot at him) and he roars back down on me with a good top-down crossing shot.
This is a very uncomfortable place to be.. just about out of E and in the ditch with a hot turnfighter on the perch lining up a killing shot with kannonen… I snapped the stick back; cross controlled to get out of his plane of fire and rolled; pushing down hard as the stang got inverted. The La5 got some pings in; but nothing significant fell off and I looked back around expecting to find the la5 Yo-Yoing back onto a deep six position… but NO! He’s crossed the canyon to Dingy; now coming back in hot and fast looking for the very setup I expected the La5 to pull. Instead the la5 trims up; and dodges the HO being pressed by Dingy, he reverses and quickly saddled up on his break; crossing angles with him setting up an in trail deflection shot.
Damn.. this guy is making NO mistakes; he’s using the vertical perfectly; what shots I’ve had have been very brief; and the guy won’t settle on either of our sixes; instead he breaks and attacks the unengaged fighter when that fighter begins to press.. twice more he switches from Dingy to me and back again as we progress further and further into the canyon. The La5 is using the terrain brilliantly.. and neither Dingy or I can stay with him as he climbs over the top on the turns against the canyon walls. Finally; I get a shot opportunity.. I’ve managed for the first time to get slightly above him and as he sees me coming to a solution I know he’s gonna try to pull over the top… so I break high early; roll away from him and pull back down.. and there he is; crossing slightly below; pinned against the canyon wall and dead in my sights. I squeeze off a quick burst.. .. I see parts fly from his tail.. he spins… it’s over.
My hands are shaking. I look at the map.. we’re at the extreme end of the canyon; almost to the end of the grid. I typed.. “heluva fight!” And heard back ‘lucky shot”.. I agreed.. it was. We chatted for a few moments about how he expects to see pony blood when he gets one on the canyon floor.. and I empathize completely. In this situation with this pilot I doubt I’da come out alive if not for Dingy and Rude… again the La5 pilot made no mistakes.. not one.. and lost because he was outnumbered. No shame in that.. none at all. And I had some VERY good help.
Salute Sorrow!
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Hi Verm!! Well thought out and presented post.. and I heartily agree.. with you.. swager and dolomite. How SO??
Well.. yes; a measure of a good combat pilot is the one that lands the kills. But!!!
Consider the old saying... "there are bold pilots.. and old pilots.. damn few old, bold pilots."
Then consider.. itsa SIM!! Hey.. I can be as bold and brash as the situation demands; and when I bite off more than i can chew; well hell; I can get a new half million dollar fighter and go at it again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now when this thing goes from beta to gold and the FM's are fairly dialed in I'll no doubt start looking at the style of flying I do in a diffrent light. maybe. Then again.. maybe not. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I guess we all go through the phase of staring at our scorecards.. and having to endure the self admonition of silly mistakes ruining our scores. All of us have heard the whining from the pilots who have wrapped themselves in the 'cloak of kills' and howl at our NERVE for blowing them outta the sky on occasion!!
Frankly; I'm currently having a blast; cutting up on line and off.. always pursuing the 'great fights'; looking for more interesting evasives and adversarys. I enjoy all this immensely.. and wouldn't trade a minute of intense furball fun for any amount of ego induced self congragulations on a 'perfect' score.
I think the yardstick to success in this sim is FUN.. the more yah have the more yah learn the more yah see the more fun yah have.
Speaking of which.. back to the wars. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hey did you guys SEE that awsome Mutang fight Tuesday night in the canyons east of F16 between the knits and bishes?? I have no idea who I caught down there.. but 5 of em died in 4 min.. Bash and Hollywd were engaged down there and got a bunch too... Lordy that wuz a fun fight! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang (salutes to the MOL! )
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
P.S... as Dingy notes.. E kills. I prefer to retain E as much as possible.. on a high to low intercept I never reduce my e state to the level of the targets. With an E advantage I can continue to press the fight; repeating the high to low attack as often as necessary (or prudent; given the circumstances) to get the kill. I am in complete agreement with Verm.. why give the sucker an even break? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 01-12-2000).]
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Great reading Hang,
I wish I had the skills to recall, and write about our wonderfull 1 on 1 last night. All I can say is between you, and the AH terrain, it was one of the longest, toughest, most enjoyable fights ive had in any flight sim.(and ofcourse I didnt record it! any chance you did?)
Was thinking maybe I could start an argument with you over the fight, so that you would create some more good reading (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Salute, Hang
Camel
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Well now, DoctorYO; since you really hate the cut and paste method of dealing with a statement in its original form (and ensuring that the original authors comments are being addresed in context) I'll continue the distasteful practice here again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
>>Didn't you get your so savored kill last night when I was low and slow.. You even tried to taunt but I gave you no satisfaction...(last night I thought your "nice break" was advice or complement but this morning after reading you dung post I can see it was only a trivial attempt to taunt me.)<<
Nope.. you assumption is incorrect. For the uninformed out there; the Good Doctor was racking up some Bishop kills in the area of F6. I noticed his name crop up as having just killed another and I inquired of the vanquished bish as to the location and plane type of the Infamous Doctor. Getting the desired info I set out in search of an F4u to the south of F6... and a few minutes later I spotted an F4u on the deak makin for f5; now in knit hands.
Low he was.. and slow he wasn't. I closed; and from the rate of clousure I estimated his speed to be about 350.. good corner speed fer the big blue bird. I dove in low and comming up fast and hard from behind started to set up a blind bounce from the dark hole every F4u has behind its headrest. The Good Doctor was savvy tho.. he eyeballed my approach; kept his nose down to maintain speed .. and waited. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At D2 he broke hard to the left.. and I stabbed left rudder, rolled a bit left and started to set up a deflection shot at his planform when suddenly the right wing came down.. he's rolling RIGHT!! Keeerist! I jam the pedal to the right; nudged the stick down; eased in some roll to get in plane with him again and gunned the section of sky he was heading for... a much poorer shot than I would have had if he'd continued the left turn. The big blue target ran thru the stream of tracers and left a wing spinning in the breeze. Scratch one F4U. Not a great shot.. but it was the only one he gave me.
I immediatly typed "Nice Break". I meant it then, I mean it now.. that second reverse to the right; off my prop torque was totally unexpected and damn near succesfull. It WAS a nice break. Anyway.. I got no reply. Not that I need one, mind you.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I bear no grudge against any pilot.. and quite often; as time and circumstances dictate I take the time to let the pilot I've engaged (win or lose) know he's done me damage and/or offer congragulations on a good fight.
Verm asked earlier on about what makes a good pilot... Here's a case in point. I think its one thats wise enuff to learn from mistakes; one that recognises his weaknesses and shortcomings and works hard to overcome them... in and out of the cockpit.
>>8D 8D 8D 8D smiles make you live longer........<<
LOL. Yes. Thats true. Thank you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
>>>PS: of course you need to have the last post(its in your Tristate Area Gene Code) so put in your dweeb comment..<<
ROFL.. I hate being so damn predictable. It's one of my great weaknesses.. and also sometimes (especially for those that know me..) a comfort.
Alas.. I do live here in the Tri-state area; but I'm a native Californian. I was sent here as part a radical genetic experiment... for every 10,000 New Yorkers that move to California one native of the golden state is required to assume residence in the tri-state area (NY;NJ;CT) to keep the gene pool straight. After being here over 20 years now I can say that I don't feel quite so ailen as I used too; but still grit my teeth at the damn NY accent my kid has. Ya know? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Bash <--was here read laughed n left (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
See you all in the ubnfriendly skies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bash
Waiting for my list of 109s (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Verm asked earlier on about what makes a good pilot... Here's a case in point. I think its one thats wise enuff to learn from mistakes; one that recognises his weaknesses and shortcomings and works hard to overcome them... in and out of the cockpit.
Well said, very well said. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Wow, you guys must have a lot of idle time...feels like I've been reading for days!
Thorns_Musketeer
CO Musketeer Escadrille
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Yo Camel! damn me; but I coulda died for real last night after that fight and gone out happy; win or lose. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) That was clearly and by far the best stang v stang turn and toast fight I've ever had..
I'll try to get some of the highlights up here for you ... we engaged co-alt 15k south of the mountains between F6 and F5.. I'd just finished up with DoctorYo and was grabbing back to the fight at F5 when I picked u up as a distant dot. I reversed; grabbed and keeping your dot in view worked up to your alt. When we merged I misjudged your e state and you nearly killed me on the first three turns. Desperate for some e and badly out of trim I extended out and down, then settled down to work on the problem: This guys good; he's ready for me and he's not about to give anything away in the turns. (you refused to let me get into a one circle mode; my favorite; and instead kept me in a 2 circle fight with only snapshot opportunites)
We again merged; you commin down the ramp with plenty of smash on and I did a roll away (you knew it was me then; didn't yah?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) as you went by and saddled up.
Still; you carried the e edge and grabbed away and up.. and as I started to sag, I pushed the nose back down and started after you from about d3 back.. low and in trail... and you headed into the canyon. And thats when I was sure it was YOU. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Who else would take me into the ditch to die like a dawg. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At this stage we'd gone from 15k to just about 4k; and the fights been on for at least 5 min because my wep's just porked out. Neither of us have landed any real damage to the other but we've both been mauled a bit. You went to the right side of the canyon and started up for a high wingover; rolled back down to me and landed a blistering crossing shot into my ass. The ping sounds switch to "WHACK WHACK" and I know my tail is damaged.. doing my second roll-away I get some AOT on you, then you break back toward me and the scissors is started. I risk a quick 'damage check' about here and find my rudder in red.. a jab at the pedals tells me the damn thing still works tho. (gift #2, thanks Pyro. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Grunting and sweating; hunched over my controls and keyboard as we slice back and forth; hanging on the stall; jinking around terrain bumps and canyon walls we go at it for what seems forever. I'm cursing now, hollering and yanking.. I musta pinged my cat.. she lets out a yowl and bolts from the desk; scarin the crap outta me. When my eyes find you again you're in a beautiful stall turn crossing my six... and as we all know, in a scissors the guy that can maintain the lowest controlable airspeed gets the kewpie.. and you just crossed my tail... I'm TOAST!
Desperate and feeling stupid (damn cat,, damn flaps,, he's GOT ME!) I lunge the stick forward; praying the canyon floor is further down than it looks; stab the wep button and roll inverted; pulling like hell. The gods are kind.. I miss the floor; break your track and return to the scissors.... but not before you get the best shot of the night.. I can still see that "I'm DEAD" view, looking directly into the muzzels of those 6 smokin .50's... and you didn't fire a shot! Nothin! Nada! I'm stunned, but continue to press.. My third gift from the gods this fight.
Finally.. we began to run outta canyon floor... deceptive down there; no horizon.. hard to tell we're comming into an upslope. I start nibbiling down on each sweep of the scissors.. down.. get e.. down.. I'm watching the canyon floor now.. dividing my attention equally between you and and the planes trim and the terrain. Time for flaps about now, and they thankfully respond when I key the toggle. We're still scissoring but not as hard; we're both at the very bottom of the the e well; and my biggest worry is becoming that speedo.. "cmon.. just get over 180.. c'mon!, dammit!" Your gaining angles.. but not getting the solid hits as I jink over the cuts... pings rattle around the plane;; one more turn.. NOW! I pull up a bit and roll hard into the turn, stall horn rattling insistently as you cross my tail; I swing downslope; you're forced up the rise and I come around full circle to find you on the edge of a stall; fightin to get around nose on.. ok; I'm a hair higher now.. you're gonnna go under me... there's a gully by the canyon wall; lowest point in front of you.. you HAVE to go there.... the 30 extra feet of altitude is all I need to get the nose down and the guns on train; you turn down into the gully heading under......
The .50's chatter once at full burst and dribble to secondaires.. but it's enuff.. you're smokin.. I look front again.. the canyon wall is dead in front.. IT AIN'T OVER YET! I stab the gear key; cycle the flaps another notch and start to slide back down the slope... careful.. don't stall.. (where's that '51??) The gear kisses the slope.. I swing some rudder into the turn... she pivots, headin downhill now... the burm drops away more steeply.. the battered stang crawls reluctantly back into the air. I look back down the slope.. nope; he ain't there.. I look up.. no cons. I expand the textbox... Yup. It was Camel. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It took another few minutes to get the plane outta the ditch; retrim; curse the cat again and shout you up on the radio. My heartrate musta been off-scale.. I was gulping great breaths of air trying to not shake so bad, and I nearly wrecked several more times gettin outta the ditch afterwards.
Salute sir... I was the one that flew outta there and it was by sheer luck alone it wasn't you. I shoulda bought the farm a buncha times. Camel.. that was one heluva fight; my hats off to yah. Next time yah won't let me off so easy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Note to all: Beware the Humped Backed Mustang inna ditch. It's got TEETH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang (who can die happy now)
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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<snip Hangs account of the fite with Sorrow>
whoopee!!
I dont remember that one but it sure had my palms sweating as you relived it Hang. <S> Sorrow....awesome flying there bro!
-Ding
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Hiya Dingy.. that fight stood out because I've always had trouble dealing with La5's. I'm not sayin the planes modeling is suspect.. just that I have an awful time killin La5's and the latest revison of the Macchi with my Mustang. I take them nasty little buggers as a serious threat. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sure enuff this particular La5 fight was no exception. I'd get on Sorrow for just a sec and he'd turn; come up and over to roar back down shootin the red toejam at me. Shoot; twist; dodge... the damn thing never stopped manuvering. It was... well... Wild. I was astonished by the ferocity of the fight.
Of particular note was the way he'd come back at you.. twice I followed him up for a good corner shot as he followed you only to have him break off and come right back in my face. I felt like I was fightin uphill every second.
Finally when you got on him the last time I knew he'd go over the top and come back at yah so I pulled up hard; rolled over and pulled max G and sure enuff.. he popped right up, and I was commin down. All I had was one weeee opportunity ta tag him and got lucky. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And this guy's a "beginner" in the same squad as Leonid, Botwa and Gie? Gawd.. I hate La5's. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes, Sorrow.. it's scary!! Then last night I met up with yah in that furball outside of F5 and you were slicin and dicin with that C205.. Mayhem unlimited.. parts fallin everywhere.. (yeah Leonid.. he was in a Macchi!! I'm rattin him out!) Heluva fight!
Salute! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Damn well done, Hang
Thanks bud! Who needs a gun cam! I like this better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camel
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I haven't much read this forum lately but my ears were itching so I thought I'd poke my head in. There are times in online sims that are just magic, and you can't tell anyone that hasn't "BTDT" how you feel when you're done. Hang, that was BEAUTIFUL, and your post on our fight was terrific.
The flights that I remember most fondly from my 3+ years of online simming are with the pilots that cleaned my clock, but after an intense fight. That was one of 'em.
<S>
Pang
(http://www.teleport.com/~kwheaton/tinypang2.jpg)
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Hang, that was BEAUTIFUL, and your post on our fight was terrific.
Uhhhh...I think that was Downtown who was talking about the fite between you two Pang! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang's a good guy and flys on Bish's. Camel, Swager and Downtown are all BAAAAAAAAD! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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DOH, I musta hit my head too hard. See how well I remember things?
LOL
Pang
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Camel, Downtown, and I are not really bad, we were just born that way!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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I've had a couple of good go-rounds with Camel as well. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll tell you, Camel must have done one hell of a job. The pony will out-do the Hawg in about ever possible way.
Oh, also note... soon enough doing that landing gear trick will just rip 'em off. <G> Ground model is still a bit whacky, but the physics are all there. Earlier I got in trouble in the new rolling terrain and ran out of gas. I tried to set her down, but Big Blue ran out of speed and snap-rolled on me just before touchdown, ripping off my right wing and rolling me. I was on the top of a gentle hill... so of course I managed to barrel roll all the way down! It took over a minute, but I finally came to rest at the bottom. Hehehe, I felt like Bart Simpson after Nelson beat him up and rolled him home in a garbage can. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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Hehe Dingy,
Bad as in good right? Like Micheal Jacksons "Bad" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Im bad, im bad, shum-on-it!(sp? hehe).
Teto had me a tissue! Hey wheres my monkey!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hiya Lephturn!
[This message has been edited by Camel (edited 01-14-2000).]
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LOL.. The Camel vs Hang fight in the canyon was with a matched pair of version 0.45 Mustangs; before this latest revision. I say matched because both planes were at similar fuel and ammo states at the start of the fight.
Additionaly, the landing gear trick still works.. I saw MarkVZ use it in a DC3 last night gettin over the mountains. He flew right at the slope; angled the nose up at stall speed; dropped the gear and ran the damn thing right up to the top of the hill on its wheels. At the top; he just pulled up the gear and kept on going...
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8