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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on June 21, 2004, 11:49:27 AM
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040619/D83A0PJ00.html
This is silly...
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I was so sure Bradbury was dead??? oops.
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No doubt Moore planned for this. He is a master of manipulation.
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plow Bradbury..Good thing he doesn't work in the music industry..He muight have a heart attack.
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Or the porn biz...
Edward noodle hands etc.
Get over it Ray.
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intellectual property infringement.....:aok way to go you thieving fat dufuss.
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If the title is still copyrighted then Moore could be in deep doo-doo. He should have known better.
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Seems like the name changed to me. Is any title with Ferenhieght(whatever) in it copyrighted for perpetuity?
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"Fahrenheit 451" - The temperature at which books burn.
"Fahrenheit 9/11" - The temperature at which freedom burns.
Aw...anyone can see that it is JUST a COINCIDENCE. No attempt at copyright infringement at all.
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That's right... paper didn't burn at 451F until Bradbury said so.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That's right... paper didn't burn at 451F until Bradbury said so.
What do you mean..African or European paper? Are you suggesting paper migrates? Perhaps it was carried by a swallow.
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Reminds me of the Beatle's Apple company suing Apple computers and winning. Apple agreed not market music or something, and paid the real "Apple" millions in damages, twice.
Now Mac has the I-pod, don't know the ins and outs there.
Ray may have a case.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I was so sure Bradbury was dead??? oops.
He was interviewed by a US Senate commission on space exploration recently. It's interesting reading, I hope you'll easily find it on the Net. I have read this interview in Russian press. He is still very popular here in Russia, so they couldn't miss this.
Bradbury's last book, a short-story collection with some new stories, called "In a blink of an eye" (I have to translate it back from Russian, so I may be mistaken) was published in mid-90s.
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moore is getting all the lefty attention that bradbury covets. Lefties can be soooo *****y.
lazs
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Maybe the loser will go after Bradbury candy next...those thieving scoundrels :mad:
chances are his book will get a few more buyers because of all the press, lighten up.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Maybe the loser will go after Bradbury candy next...those thieving scoundrels :mad:
chances are his book will get a few more buyers because of all the press, lighten up.
A Paean of the modern age. if you can steal, copy, paraphase, bastardize or just plain get away with, it's cool.
These are just the Loser's Books.
Dark Carnival (1947) - Stories (Published in UK as The Small Assassin)
The Martian Chronicles (1950) - Novel (Stories) (Published in UK as The Silver Locusts)
The Illustrated Man (1951) - Stories
No Man Is An Island (1952) - Lecture transcript
Fahrenheit 451 (1953) - Novel
The Golden Apples of the Sun (1953) - Stories
The October Country (1955) - Stories
Switch On the Night (1955) - Juvenile Fiction
Dandelion Wine (1957) - Novel
Sun and Shadow (1957) - Short Story
A Medicine For Melancholy (1959) - Stories (Published in UK as The Day It Rained Forever)
Something Wicked This Way Comes (1962) - Novel
The Essence of Creative Writing: Letters to a Young Aspiring Author (1962) - Three abridged letters from Bradbury to Clinton Lenoir. Published by the San Antonio, Texas Public Library.
R Is For Rocket (1962) - Stories
The Anthem Sprinters and Other Antics (1963) - Plays
The Machineries of Joy (1964) - Stories
The Pedestrian (1964) - Short Story. Limited edition of 280. Hand-printed by Roy A. Squires.
The Autumn People (1965) - Published by Ballantine
A Device Out of Time (1965) - Play. About 35 or 40 copies were prepared for Bradbury's personal use. Trade edition published in 1976 by Dramatic Publishing Co.
The Vintage Bradbury (1965) - Stories
The Day It Rained Forever: A Comedy in One Act (1966) - Play. Published by Samuel French, Inc., New York.
The Pedestrian: A Fantasy in One Act (1966) - Play. Published by Samuel French, Inc., NY.
S Is For Space (1966) - Stories
Tomorrow Midnight (1966) - Published by Ballantine.
Twice 22 (1966) - Stories (Collects the stories in A Medicine for Melancholy & The Golden Apples of the Sun.)
Creative Man Among His Servant Machines (1967) - Lecture transcript
I Sing the Body Electric (1969) - Stories
Old Ahab's Friend, and Friend to Noah, Speaks His Piece (1971) - Poetry. Limited edition of 485 numbered copies published by Roy A. Squires Press, Glendale (Apollo Year Two).
The Halloween Tree (1972) - Novel
Pillar Of Fire: A Drama (1972) - Play. This edition issued prior to the collection Pillar Of Fire and Other Plays. Only 35 to 40 copies were prepared for Bradbury's use.
The Wonderful Ice Cream Suit and Other Plays (1972) - Plays
When Elephants Last In The Dooryard Bloomed (1973) - Poetry
Zen in the Art of Writing and The Joy of Writing: Two Essays (1973) - Essays. Capra Press.
That Son of Richard III (1974) - Pamphlet. Limited edition of 400. Published by Roy A. Squires.
Pillar of Fire and Other Plays (1975) - Plays
Byzantium I Come Not From (1975) - Poem (broadside). Fullerton College
Long After Midnight (1976) - Stories
That Ghost, that Bride of Time: Excerpts from a Play-in-Progress (1976) - Play. Based on the Moby Dick mythology. Dedicated to Melville. Numbered limited edition of 400. First 150 copies signed by Bradbury.
Where Robot Mice and Robot Men Run 'Round in Robot Towns (1977) - Poetry
The God in Science Fiction (1978) - Quarto. Santa Susanna Press, Northridge
The Mummies of Guanajuato (1978) - Story. Photography by Archie Lieberman.
Twin Hieroglyphs that Swim the River Dust (1978) - Poetry
The Bike Repairmen (1978) - Poem (broadside)
Beyond 1984: Remembrance of Things Future (1979) - Poetry and essays
The Poet Considers His Resources (1979) - Poem (broadside)
This Attic Where the Meadow Greens (1979) - Poetry
The Ghosts of Forever (1980) - Poetry and articles
The Last Circus and the Electrocution (1980) - Stories
Stories of Ray Bradbury (1980) - Stories. Includes 100 of Bradbury's best stories, including six previously uncollected tales.
Doing Is Being (1980) - Poem. WED Imagineering, Los Angeles (broadside)
About Norman Corwin (1980) - Santa Suzana Press, Northridge, CSUN Library
The Complete Poems of Ray Bradbury (1981) - Poetry
The Haunted Computer and the Android Pope (1981) - Poetry
Then Is All Love? It Is, It Is! (1981) - Poem. Signed limited edition of 230, published by the Orange County Book Society.
There Is Life On Mars (1981) - published by Reader's Digest Press.
The Love Affair (1982) - Story and Poems
The Other Foot (1982) - Story. Published by Perfection Form Co.
The Veldt (1982) - Story. Published by Perfection Form Co.
Dinosaur Tales (1983) - Stories
Forever and the Earth (1984) - Radio Dramatization. Signed and numbered limited edition of 300 from Croissant Press.
The Last Good Kiss (1984) - Santa Susana Press, Northridge, CSUN Library
A Memory of Murder (1984) - Stories
Death Is a Lonely Business (1985) - Novel
Long After Ecclesiastes (1985) - Illustrated by D'Ambrosio. Gold Stein Press
The April Witch: A Creative Classic (1987) - Story. Illustrated by Gary Kelly. Published by Creative Education, Inc.
Death Has Lost Its Charm For Me (1987) - Poetry. Lord John Press, Northridge
Fahrenheit 451 /The Illustrated Man /Dandelion Wine /The Golden Apples of the Sun /The Martian Chronicles (1987) - Collection of previous novels & stories
Fever Dream (1987) - Story. Illustrated by Darrel Anderson.
The Fog Horn: A Creative Classic (1987) - Story. Illustrated by Gary Kelley. Published by Creative Education, Inc.
The Other Foot: A Creative Classic (1987) - Story. Illustrated by Gary Kelley. Published by Creative Education, Inc.
The Veldt: A Creative Classic (1987) - Story. Illustrated by Gary Kelley. Published by Creative Education, Inc.
The Dragon (1988) - Story
Falling Upward (1988) - Play. Dramatic Publishing Company.
The Toynbee Convector (1988) - Stories
The Climate of Palettes (1989) - Signed & numbered limited edition of 150. Lord John Press, Northridge
The Day It Rained Forever (1990) - Musical
A Graveyard For Lunatics (1990) - Novel
Zen in the Art of Writing (1990) - Essays on the art and craft of writing.
Classic Stories Volume One (1990) - Stories
Classic Stories Volume Two (1990) - Stories
Selected from Dark They Were, and Golden-Eyed (1991) - Story
Ray Bradbury On Stage: A Chrestomathy of Plays (1991) - Collection of previously published stage plays. Published by Donald Fine, Inc.
Yestermorrow: Obvious Answers to Impossible Futures (1991) - Essays
Green Shadows, White Whale (1992) - Novel
The Stars (1993) - Poem
The Other Foot (1993) - Story. Illustrated by Gary Kelley
Quicker Than The Eye (1996) - Stories
Driving Blind (1997) - Stories
Dogs Think That Every Day Is Christmas (1997) - Poem
With Cat for Comforter (1997) - Poem
Ahmed and the Oblivion Machines (1998) - Juvenile fiction
Christus Apollo (1998) - Gold Stein Press
Witness and Celebrate (2000) - Lord John Press
A Chapbook for Burnt-Out Priests, Rabbis, and Ministers (2001) - Essays
From the Dust Returned: A Family Remembrance (2001) - Novel
Dark Carnival (2001) - Stories. Limited edition. Bradbury's first collection of stories, reprinted with supplemental material edited by Donn Albright. Gauntlet Press.
One More for the Road: A New Short Story Collection (2002)
I Live By the Invisible (2002) - Poetry
Let's All Kill Constance (2002) - Novel. Harper Collins Publishers
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Originally posted by AKCasca
A Paean of the modern age. if you can steal, copy, paraphase, bastardize or just plain get away with, it's cool.
Yup... It's the American Way, is this a suprise to anyone that any good idea will be copied, stolen, or cannibalized? It's flattery
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Yup... It's the American Way, is this a suprise to anyone that any good idea will be copied, stolen, or cannibalized? It's flattery
:rolleyes:
I believe the word is theft not flattery
copyright infringement = big $$$$
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"Zen and the Art of Writing" - Bradbury, 1990
Whoah!!
Bradbury stole this, obviously, from "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig.
Much ado....
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hated Ray Bradbury when I was in school....they forced me to read his books ....... I hated his books like I hate almost all fiction books.
On the other hand, I would ride my bike 5 miles to the library in order to search the encylopedias and check out history and other non-fiction books.
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lol Nuke......I was escaping Dickens and Jane Austen to read Bradbury.
I can only read so much factual stuff, and then I want my imagination back.
Ravs
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Wow... what an idiot.
You spend how many millions on a movie and you screw up the title this bad??
dumb dumb dumb
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Moore's use of the title was no accident. Some of the phrases he uses to promote his film are taken directly from the text of Bradbury's novel. He may have gotten away with side-stepping the rules of fairness and unbiased reporting in the past (Rules can be ignored if one is furthering a "noble cause."), but ignoring copyright rules is probably going to bite him in his ample posterior.
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I coulda sworn there was a copyright lawyer among us... I'd be interested in hearing what he has to say about it.
I mean, there are tons of bands and many more songs named after books. There's something about "art" and public domain that strike me as a bit different than if Moore named his production company Exxon. Especially when it's a play on words and not a direct lift.
In any event, Bradbury would need to get an injunction and fast to block F9/11 from the theaters, and I'm willing to bet that Jon Feltheimer and Harvey Weinstein's lawyers are bigger than Bradbury's.
Pay attention to the DVD box for any credit to Bradbury, because I think that's the only thing that may come out of this.
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Of course it wasn't an accident. The mistake was NOT getting permission.
I just can't imagine how NOBODY on his marketing team missed it.
That's gotta be up there in production blunders
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I'm not sure they even *needed* permission.
A courtessy, maybe.
Who knows? I don't...
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Originally posted by lazs2
moore is getting all the lefty attention that bradbury covets. Lefties can be soooo *****y.
lazs
i was just sitting here thinking......a leftist goes after a leftist.....who do the librals back up
It's like a computer getting two conflicting requests, wich one to process.
the solution.....wich ever one hates bush the most wins!
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Nash...the action is 'passing off' (in the UK anyway) and the test is whether people are likely to confuse F9/11 with F451.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
" ...the test is whether people are likely to confuse F9/11 with F451."
This sounds right.
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Originally posted by Nash
Bradbury stole this, obviously, from "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig.
Good book...also recommend Sun Tzu's The Art of War and Miyamoto Musashi's The Book of Five Rings.
All three of these books I reread from time to time and always find something new everytime.
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Wind in the Willows......and the Pooh books,
great wisdom there.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
Wind in the Willows......and the Pooh books,
great wisdom there.
Ravs
The books The Tao of Pooh and The Tao of Piglet are also very good books I have heard.
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The Tao of Pooh
(doh - ya beat me by seconds Drunky :). Haven't read the Tao of Piglet tho...)
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Bradbury has no case. It is a parody of his title and as such not an infringement on his property. It's the same as Saturday Night Live getting away with using the names and titles they have in their skits.
(http://www.gilbertv.com/coppermine//albums/06042004/owned_jc.jpg)