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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rude on January 11, 2000, 11:41:00 PM
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Would appreciate if someone could post their fps using celeron 500 and p3 500.....
just curious (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude
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Celeron 466@525 mhz V770 TNT2 (not ultra) 50-55 FPS in 800x600 32 bit with hi-rez patch,same in 1024x768 and 1280x1024
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Rude;
P3-500 128mb v770 ultra
I get the same as Weazel's FPS numbers.
Mino
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My brothers system here, P3 500 with a 16 meg vidio card "not sure the brand off my head but not top of the line" and I could get between 45 and 55fps never dropping below 40 running low res 800 by 600. I dont play on it anymore because I cant affoard a new system and would have to have one if I got used to his (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hmmmm....Celeron @ $160.00....PIII 500 @ $300.00....no difference?
In a low furball(at least 10 planes)what is the lowest fps u guys will see?
Once again.....thx (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude
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Rude:
With a Celeron 300 O/C to 450, 128 MB RAM and a 32Meg CL TNT card mine does about 45 frames in 1024 hi res, dropping to 35 in the furballs. It was a relatively cheap setup too..$90 for the Chip, $100 for the MB and the CL card was low too.
Don't think any of those older Celerons are around now tho.....
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Rude,
Have a Celeron 400 O/Ced to 450Mhz. 64 M RAM, Viper 550 16 Mb, Normal 36-44 FPS, Furball 30-35 FPS.
Trying to talk wife into letting me get a Celeron 500. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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My advice is for the most bang for your bucks go here -> http://www.step-thermodynamics.com/ (http://www.step-thermodynamics.com/) and get the Celeron 366 package,guaranteed to run 550 mhz. If your not convinced the Celeron is the best option for you go to Intels web site and browse through their performance indicators for the Celerons and compare them to the P-III`s. They no longer have the data available for the 550 mhz P-III`S but the Celeron 500 (66mhz FSB) hits 57 on Winbench 2000 floating point performance in 3-D apps,the P-III 650 mhz(100mhz FSB) only hits 59 in the same test. This is Intels "dirty little secret" The Celerons are still the king of CPU`s for 3-D gaming-expect even better performance with the 366@550 mhz (100mhz FSB) Hope this is of help to you.
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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I don't have a fast machine, P2-366, with TNT2 Ultra, but still maintain 35-41 FPS in high res(1040X) with min. 30 FPS on runway. I would venture to guess that anything over a 266 would probably get good FR as long as you have a good video card.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
"Whats this button for?"
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I have a Celeron 266 that is on a Slot 1 board. The new Celerons seem to be PGA, rather than Slot1 1. How do I put a new PGA Celeron in my system? Is there a Slot 1 adapter? Can I just pop the old Celeron out of its socket, and pop a new one in?
popeye
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Is there a standard test like they use to benchmark Warbirds ?? Have a look at this URL (check out the framerate link) and see what users are getting with there systems, I think the AH graphic's engine is much the same as the WB's
http://wbexperience.tripod.com/framerate.html (http://wbexperience.tripod.com/framerate.html)
My Sys
Celeron 300A(@504) 128MB CLTNT2-Ultra
FPS @ 1024
50's normal flight
70's at high alt
30's in the thickest furballs
If you are in the market for a CPU I'd get a Celeron if you are looking for value for money.
I put my sys together for flight sims and I picked a celeron.
laika
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Well i have a 300a @ 450 with a voodoo3 3000 and i get around 65 - 70 when flying alone. 60-65 with flying in a group, and never go below 60 when in a furball.
I'd go with the celeron. they are easy to overclock if the default sped wont cut it anymore. I heard the new 533's can go to 600 pretty easy.
Since you can get a celey 500 for about 130 if you look. i'd fork that out and wait on the PIII's to come down.
Oh yea, i'm running at 1028x768
Raz
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Ya know I was gonna let this whole Intel posting ride, until I read the post a few from here.
How come you all don't talk about the AMD K-7? A far less costly 810 Mhz processor. Already clocked at over 1000mhz!
Answer me this. Any of you using a 32bit operating system like NT? I bet you all use WIN9x, a 16bit OS, with a 32bit emulator.
The P-3 call chips are killer 32bit CPUs. Designed to run on a 32bit OS.
Get my drift. Until Gates or Redhat comes up with a purely P&P 32 bit OS, I'll stick with AMD.
Mr.ED
Pony Driver
Knight
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Both the celron and pentium III have the same FPU (the thing that does all geometry in case you dont know)** exception would be a GPU which offloads the CPU but thats another ballgame.(Geforce owners)
At equal clock speeds they should be within 1-2 fps given similiar hardware.
Now future games may employ the special instuction set which is similiar to MMX but more 3D oriented.
Those games would take advantage of the P3 and really produce a higher framerates due to the extra instruction set.
software makers are just now adopting this coding.
My advice is buy a celron they are really the best bang for the buck.
My total setup for a 300a--->450 barebones was about $400 US delivered and that was a year ago.
current prices for say 500mhz cel with 64 megs barebones is about $300-400 give or take specials...compare that with 500-700 for the P3 and you make the choice..
For gamers the celron is king of the low ball systems...
good luck.
DoctorYO
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Popeye you can put a PPGA Celeron in your PC by using a "slotket" adaptor. Make sure your mobo`s BIOS can be updated to support the latest Celerons before you buy.
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Popeye, I replaced a slot1 PII 233 with a ppga 466 cel($104 retail box) and a $14 Asus "sloket". Mine was an ALX board. I had to update the bios. On my board some slokets did not work.
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Cel 500 - V770 TNT2: 50-55fps 16-bit / 45-50fps 32-bit 1024x76
40fps 32-bit 1145x<something..>
P133 + voodoo I: 7fps :P
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Let's see Mr. Ed,
My Celeron 300A cost $80
My abit bh6 board was $120
Overclocked to 450 100FSB
You cant get a K-7 chip for the total cost
of what I had spent. Plus K-7 are realivly new. Amd has always had a problem with
floating point. Never has been an issue
with intell. Also once an OS that is
put out that will support multi processors
and runs games well. Then I can buy the Abit board and slave the second cpu (Celeron)
and have a 700 to 900 mghz system for about
$200. K-7's maybe ok but until the gamers
give them a good run thru and the price drops. Most will stay with intel.
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I just want to thank all of you for your posts.....I really appreciate it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll still have to kill ya if I see ya, but, still a nice thing for all of you to respond (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Salute!
Rude....................Out
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My Celeron 300A cost $80
My abit bh6 board was $120
Overclocked to 450
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Well lets call an apple an orange.
An AMD K6 450-3 cost $70 and can be overclocked to 566. With a $80 FIC 100mhz Motherboard, I've gotten a faster PC for less. A few of my AW3 buds fly this vary PC.
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You cant get a K-7 chip for the total cost
of what I had spent. Plus K-7 are realivly new.
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Speed costs son, how fast do you want to go?
(borrowed from HT)
Yes the K-7 is brand spanking new and the 500 is under $200, the 710 about $250. I'm not able to pay the ungodly price for the 810. I'm waiting for the motherboard that will take the 500-810, I'll but the 500 now, and wait for the 810 price drop.
The K6-3 500 is right around $100.
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Amd has always had a problem with floating point. Never has been an issue with intell.
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Man I KNEW this was going to come up, now I'll set you straight. Yes the AMD K-6s can't handle heavy 6 or greater digit number crunching, like spreadsheets, this is a fact, but they aren't designed for that. Also The 3D instructions are far superior to Itels.
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Also once an OS that is put out that will support multi processors and runs games well. Then I can buy the Abit board and slave the second cpu (Celeron)and have a 700 to 900 mghz system for about $200.
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Well someday you can have a patched together system, & yes NT & Intel can do it now, better than AMD, but with no Plug & Play support. I looked heavly into a duel Intel system with NT. What I found out is that very few non-business apps will run on a duel CPU set up, heck if AH didn't run I'd have a super fast PC, and not be able to fly :-(
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K-7's maybe ok but until the gamers give them a good run thru .
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Already been done. ZD TV's show "The Screensavers" are building super gaming PCs. Both with Intel & AMD. Go and read their site .
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Most will stay with intel.
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Most will, Like I said, when someone sells me a true 32bid OS with PnP, I'll go Intel also.
I've ran my K-6 200M2 for 3 years now 10-12 hours a day, 7 days a week, and have had no problems, and great flying.
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and the price drops
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Gee My wholesaler always has AMDs for less than Intel.
BTW I live 30 minutes form the Intel plant, here in Washington. Let me tell you a bit of travia. You know how AMD got their start? They were an Intel start up company that made Intel 486 CPUs, when Itnel couldn't keep up with demand back in the early 90s. They new the 32bit CPUs were coming out and told Intel that until the OS cought up, that sticking with a 16 bit hardware, was the way to go. The Super socket seven is still the fastest 16 bit motherboard for benchmarking. Oh yes the Alpha and others are faster, but they run NT and are 32 bit.
Oh yeah, the world is flat!
Mr.ED
Pony Driver
Knight
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I'm running a 400 celeron (in slocket adapter btw. Intel AL440LX mbd.) 96 mb ram, with Intel 740 8MB v card. Usually I get 40 - 45 fps in 800 x 600 hi-res mode. Slowest I've ever seen is 23 in massive furball.
My friend has a K6-2 350 and only gets 10 fps in low res. (I think this has to do with the historically poor floating point performance of AMD processors. Athlon should be amazingly fast though.)
Originally I was running a P2-266 and only got around 25 fps back in .36. Upgrading to celeron is a great way to improve game performance. (In most cases, Celeron is just as fast or faster in games due to cache design.)
Hope you can make sense of my post, (I can't). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Mr ED,
Yeah the K6 is cheap but "speed for speed" ver a Celeron the K6 looks like a 486 (for games). I'm not interested in comparing FPS in AH until a standard test is worked out like the CV test for WB's. Have a look at the following page and view the WB's benchmarks (much the same graphic's engine as AH), The best listed K6 (400 o/c @ 450) runs at 24.5fps@1024, A Celeron 300 o/c @ 450 is listed 42fps@1024 with most Celerons running at the same speed are in the hi 30's, so the K6 looks about 10-15fps slower than a Celeron at the same speed (for AH/WB's...Yeah I know video cards play a big part but thats another story). And you have more chance overclocking faster with a Celeron than a K6. A Intel user that has a slot 1 Mobo can fit a Cel Slot1,Cel370,P2 or a P3.... good bang for your buck for upgrades http://wbexperience.tripod.com/framerate.html (http://wbexperience.tripod.com/framerate.html)
Just out of interest there is a Athlon 500 listed with 52fps@1024.... My Celeron 300A@504 is listed with 53fps@1024 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Yes the Athlon "may" be a Intel killer but we will have to wait and see, I know kryotek have Athlons at 1G but I've also seen P3's that have hit 1G
My 300A started out overclocked at 450, then 504, last weekend I managed to run it at 558 !! .... thats "good bang for ya bucks" in my book
laika (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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>>>>the K6 looks like a 486 (for games)<<<
POPPYCOCK! The K-4s did, they fixed Windows 9x to SEE the AMD CPUs, now everything is and has been the way it should.
>>>Just out of interest there is a Athlon 500 [K-7] listed with 52fps@1024<<<<
Well this is what I was talking about, not K-6. I only use 800x600 (old eyes) so It should do me fine. Overclock it to oh lets say 666mhz, just for shrimps and giggles and wait for the 810 price to go down.
And your right video cards make a big difference, as a young lady told me once "Bigger IS better!"
I bookmarked the benchmark site and will check it out. BTW I checke dthe ZD TV site last night. They went with the Intel... but put the CH Products flight gear away, and went with a Logitec FF stick for $40, said the CH was to complatcated for average user.
Yeah right.
Which goes to prove:
Different stokes, for different folks
Mr.ED
Pony Pilot
AMD abuser
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Mr.ED:
"but put the CH Products flight gear away, and went with a Logitec FF stick for $40, said the CH was to cpmplicated for average user.Yeah right."
LOL! CH Products is one of the easiest! They should try writing a macro for TM before they spout off about CH Products!
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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I got a celery 433 oc'd to 488, 128 megs ram and a voodoo 3 3000 running the latest drivers and dx7a. I've discovered that the screen resolutions plays a big part in your frame rate. In 640x480 I get 45 as an average...fur balls dont really slow it down, but when clouds, sun and mountains are all in view it'll bog down to 30fps. In 800x600 it's a good 10 to 15 fps faster. I havn't flown in any higher res so I dont know if that'll be improved upon.
CRASH
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You can always tell the guys that have the "uber" systems. Should you offer them a snapshot, they hit you like a hailstorm!
Rude, I have a P200MMX, runing AH at 5fps (3 in furballs). It is very rare that I can kill someone in one pass. That's why I stick to ambush. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Best "bang for the buck" right now is a Celeron 366 on an Abit BH6 II or something.
I'm running a Celery 366@495 stable with retail heat-sink and fan. I have the Abit BP6 though, so I can slap another one in when this machine turns into my server. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hopefully soon.
If you have a bit more $, the new 550E FC-PGA PIII will aparently go to 825Mhz... with the retail heatsink. You need an Appollo chipset mobo though. Check out http://www.anandtech.com/#3015 (http://www.anandtech.com/#3015) for more details.
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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Just ordered a Celeron 366 that is guaranteed for 550 MHz. Should be cookin with gas soon. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for all the good advice here!!
popeye
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Voss, nice to know i've got a better frame rate than some one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . I get about 8, don't notice in a furball cause i'm dead before my screen tells me i'm there. And higher res. doesn't help my FR at all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) .
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aka kjb ;)
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Mr. Ed,
The K-6 with 3dnow tech. would run neck and neck with Intel. If and only If the game
was optimized for 3dnow tech. If not intel
would kick its pants again due to floating point. If ya dont belive be put a Celeron
and a K-6 side by side same speed same FSB
and run any 3d game even AH and see who wins.
I have done this and the celeron blew the pants off the K-6 because the game wasnt optimized for 3d now.
I hope you get that K-7 pushed that fast, but I am sure your gonna need super cooled mineral oil to keep that puppy from burning the board. Any way good luck
With my celeron I have the speed I need for a little money. As long as the FPS dont go below 15 its playable and plenty fast.
FalconTX
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One more time....
K-6 = PentII
K-7 = Pent III
Stop comparing Celeries to K-6, diffenent class CPUs.
I'm done beating a dead horse
Mr.ED
Pony Driver
Knight