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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on June 22, 2004, 07:35:06 AM
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to your country?
the lies of michael moore (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/)
ya think if in 1942 someone said FDR was Hitler he'd get away with it? How about if he made a film of it? So why does this slob get a free pass to say/write/film anything that comes out of his bush hating anus?
America needs to get a grip but I am afraid the minds of many, maybe too many, are mush and that grip is as weak as a 90lb womans...
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So, his new movie any good?
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Traitor? No. Scumbag? Possibly. That was a very well written article, by the way. Good reading.
He'll sue, Moore says, if anyone insults him or his pet. Some right-wing hack groups, I gather, are planning to bring pressure on their local movie theaters to drop the film. How dumb or thuggish do you have to be in order to counter one form of stupidity and cowardice with another? By all means go and see this terrible film, and take your friends, and if the fools in the audience strike up one cry, in favor of surrender or defeat, feel free to join in the conversation.
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Ya gotta love it. For 8 years all I heard was a Republican witch hunt that cost us Millions of dollars and all they could dig up was the guy got a hummer. Get over it Eagler, the Republicans can't have their cake and eat it too. You made the President and his personal life fair game.
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We should actually hang anyone who doesn't agree with the president, or for that matter, anyone whose political philosophy strays from Eagler's. And should any of these scumbags dare to insult the president too, we should torture them before we kill them!:mad: :mad: :mad:
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
:lol
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uh ohh... starting to fall apart allready..
The left controls the media and as the man says... they are a credulous audience for any tripe that leans... no, crushes to the left..
This is a replay of the bellisiles book "the arming of America" in which lefty weazel claimed that he researched records and found that there were no guns in America and that right wing cowboyu movies of the 40"s and 50's made us think we had a tradition of being armed... he used made up records to "prove" it ... the left got all wet and gushy and heaped everything from good reviews to tearful speeches to the highest awards the country had to offer.
they defended (with moore like armyb of lawyers) all those who would challenge their hero... when it all fell apart... the so called work of research (like moores so called "documentary") was shown to be nothing but half truths and out and out lies...
well.. first thing... a few jealous lefties who were not getting enough attention fell upon him... soon the landslide of hate and lefty resentment hit.... awards were taken back... the man is now a non person in the lefty community .
moore is just as vulnerable as his works are pure crap. and... he is one ugly little troll who can't speak well... he is the chicken with blood spots on him... it's just that the other lefty chickens haven't all noticed yet.
he will probly help Bush get re elected if the lefties don't do some quick damage control.
lazs
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Good read Eagler. The really sad part is that he actually has an audience for his obvious lies and propaganda. This excerpt typifies Moore's disingenousness:
"In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion."
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I have never liked anything Michael Moore has ever done but I have slowly gotten on the dump Bush bandwagon lately.
My personal beef with Bush started with the FCC and their crackdown on free speech.
I enjoy listening to the radio each morning on the way in to work and on the way home at night. Now the shows I listen to have been butchered with self censorship as they are afraid of the FCC and Colin Powell's son. Howard Stern's show has been on for years and if you listen to it regularly you know it is totally harmless. Lately they are in the position of not being able to run tape of shows they did years ago as now those shows would be considered obscene.
There is one person in Florida who has logged countless complaints against the show with the FCC (he is a lawyer who has little to do with his time except listen to the whole show hoping to find an "indecent" moment so he can log a complaint. The FCC uses his complaint as an excuse investigate the show and fine it. That cyber nazi's have the power under GWB to enforce their perverted view of what is decent on the whole country strikes me as not just wrong, but infuriating.
For that cause alone I say turf GWB out on his ass. I don't like to see power perverted this way. The FCC should not be a muzzle to stop opinions you disagree with from being heard.
One ironic result of the whole FCC mess is that GWB will lose some important swing states as a result of it. Howard Stern has enormous influence with his listeners. He has started an anti GWB rant that will probably result in many non voters registering this election and many GWB supporters switching sides.
He has supported democrat and republican politicians in state and city elections in the past and his candidates have always won. Even when they were not the incumbent.
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The FCC has always had ultimate control over the public airways. The laws they are enforcing aren't new but have been stretched beyond recognition over the years. There have been recent attempts to stretch them beyond the point of breaking. These attempts were perhaps a wakeup call to the FCC?
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habu... stern can go to any pay per venue he wants but... he can't do it because he is a no talent hack who can only survive by bending the rules he signed onto. He can only shock by doing what no one else wants to risk. Do you think that he is the only guy that can do what he does? In a pay per venue he would be a nothing and he knows it. the competition would slaughter him...
He has been skirting the edge for profit for a long time in order to make up for lack of talent... he got noticed and caught and now he is the most pituful crybaby whiner I have ever seen.
I have listened to him in the past as he was mildly entertainig but could see his getting slapped was inevitable.... I won't listen to him now because all he does is whine in the most obnoxious way imaginable..
his staff of butt smoothcers was allways embarassing but now they are so over the top in thier knee pad devotion that it is embarassing to listen to.
lazs
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Originally posted by SOB
We should actually hang anyone who doesn't agree with the president, or for that matter, anyone whose political philosophy strays from Eagler's. And should any of these scumbags dare to insult the president too, we should torture them before we kill them!:mad: :mad: :mad:
You forgot to add the use of nuclear weapons whenever possible to solve any disagreements or if the insults come from a citizen of another country.
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Originally posted by SOB
We should actually hang anyone who doesn't agree with the president, or for that matter, anyone whose political philosophy strays from Eagler's. And should any of these scumbags dare to insult the president too, we should torture them before we kill them!:mad: :mad: :mad:
Just send them all to Abu Ghraib.:aok
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Originally posted by Torque
Just send them all to Abu Ghraib.:aok
That really doesn't have the effect I think you desire. It doesn't cause much shame or embarrassment to conservatives because it's been distorted all out of proportion and it no longer serves the liberals for the same reason.
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few neurones = use of big words
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Originally posted by Saintaw
few neurones = use of big words
[SIZE=8]WHAT DO YOU MEAN?[/SIZE]
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At some point someone with a lot of discreationary funds and too much time on their hands will follow that sow mikey moore around and produce something called mikey and me. wonder what reaction that would trigger?
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Originally posted by AKIron
The FCC has always had ultimate control over the public airways. The laws they are enforcing aren't new but have been stretched beyond recognition over the years. There have been recent attempts to stretch them beyond the point of breaking. These attempts were perhaps a wakeup call to the FCC?
The problem is there are not clear laws to break. The FCC has carte blanche to make up what is indecent. They say they investigate complaints (a perverted process when you have individuals like the guy in Florida who log every show and file countless complaints) and then they decide if it is indecent or not.
So stations do not know where the line is and if they have crossed it.
Stern is often portrayed as "low brow" or "shock jock" but if you listen to him you realize he is actually intelligent. More intelligent than guys like Limbaugh or Dr Laura or any one of the countless mindless idiots on the air these days. Stern has an opinion on things that is based on his view of the world. He likes to make money, is afraid of violence and crime, hates traffic, envys others success, likes guns and has many other traits that result in a very complex person. As such he does not just support or disagree with an issue because it is politically correct, or democrat or republican or pro women or whatever. He sees how the issues affects him personally and then decides if he is for or against it.
That is what makes him entertaining, he is so self serving in his opinions. Rush Limbaugh is so predictable he is boring. Many other radio personalities are afraid to rock the boat or even have an opinion. For this reason Stern can be complex. He supported Bush after 9-11 (because Stern is afraid of terrorists and hates them) but after he decided that what Bush is doing is not making him any safer he started to question his support. Eventually he decided that Iraq was not a good thing. So he stopped supporting Bush. What other radio guy has the courage to be so honest?
Stern's problems with Clear Channel and now the FCC seemed to start exactly the time that he stopped supporting Bush (who he had supported strongly after 9-11) and started supporting Kerry.
The only good thing about all of this is that by making an enemy of Stern the FCC (and GWB) actually may have caused themselves enough damage to lose the next election. Stern can swing hundreds of thousands of votes to Kerry. He talks about the issues every morning..
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Originally posted by Habu
The problem is there are not clear laws to break. The FCC has carte blanche to make up what is indecent. They say they investigate complaints (a perverted process when you have individuals like the guy in Flordia who log every show and file countless complaints) and then they decide if it is indecent or not.
So stations do not know where the line is and if they have crossed it.
Stern is often portrayed as "low brow" or "shock jock" but if you listen to him you realize he is actually intelligent. More intelligent than guys like Limbaugh or Dr Laura or any one of the countless mindless idiots on the air these days. Stern has an opinion on things that is based on his view of the world. He likes to make money, is afraid of violence and crime, hates traffic, envys others success, likes guns and has many other traits that result in a very complex person. As such he does not just support or disagree with an issue because it is politically correct, or democrat or republician or pro women or whatever. He sees how the issues affects him personally and then decideds if he is for or against it.
That is what makes him entertaining, he is so self serving in his opinions. Rush Limbaugh is so predictable he is boreing. Many other radio personalities are afraid to rock the boat or even have an opinion. For this reason Stern can be complex. He supported Bush after 9-11 (because Stern is afraid of terrorists and hates them) but after he decided that what Bush is doing is not making him any safer he started to question his support. Eventually he decided that Iraq was not a good thing. So he stopped supporting Bush. What other radio guy has the courage to be so honest?
Stern's problems with Clear Channel and now the FCC seemed to start exactly the time that he stopped supporting Bush (who he had supported strongly after 9-11) and started supporting Kerry.
The only good thing about all of this is that by making an enemy of Stern the FCC (and GWB) actually may have caused themselves enough damage to lose the next election. Stern can swing hundreds of thousands of votes to Kerry. He talks about the issues every morning.
Nice attempt at a thread jacking. consider yourself as having 8 caps popped into your arse and the jacking prevented. waddle your silly opinion to the appropriate thread.
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You are a traitor when you want to sacrifice the freedoms of others to your bigoted political aggenda eagler.
Still the "press is liberal"
What a joke. The press is conservative. Way conservative. How can big business be anything but?
Some people are so brainwashed its stunning.
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Let me clarifly my opinion.
I now hate GWB because he is sicking the FCC against Stern. Moore made a very anti GWB film.
The enemy of my enemy is now my friend.
:aok
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Originally posted by Habu
I now hate GWB because he is sicking the FCC against Stern.
:aok
What an intelligent and insightful way to choose the politician you support.
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Originally posted by storch
At some point someone with a lot of discreationary funds and too much time on their hands will follow that sow mikey moore around and produce something called mikey and me. wonder what reaction that would trigger?
Why don't you do that storch?
You seem to have lots of time on your hands.
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Excellent post.
It's one thing if the right objects to Moore. It's quite another if the left does as well.
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Originally posted by Martlet
What an intelligent and insightful way to choose the politician you support.
Martlet when you have a guy like GWB who is not the strongest intellect around, has a very questionable background, seems to have ridden in on the coat tails of his dads name and the mightly republican machine and not due to his own skills, then a policy that affects the 2 hours I listen to the radio each day is enough for me to say turf him out.
Let Kerry get in and if he screws up turf him out again.
Do not reward failure by re electing a dolt.
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Originally posted by Pongo
You are a traitor when you want to sacrifice the freedoms of others to your bigoted political aggenda eagler.
Still the "press is liberal"
What a joke. The press is conservative. Way conservative. How can big business be anything but?
Some people are so brainwashed its stunning.
Only in your twisted mind. mikey is pretty close to a traitor, the press is total left wing. they should all move to Canada. they should take the homos with them. you guys like traitors and homos it seems.
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Originally posted by Habu
Martlet when you have a guy like GWB who is not the strongest intellect around, has a very questionable background, seems to have ridden in on the coat tails of his dads name and the mightly republican machine and not due to his own skills, then a policy that affects the 2 hours I listen to each day is enough for me to say turf him out.
Let Kerry get in and if he screws up turf him out again.
Do not reward failure by reelecting a dolt.
Lots of accusations, not a lot of substance, though. What's his "questionable background"? He was elected on his own merit. His father was a one termer. How are those "coat tails"? The country booted him.
He took Clinton's popped economic bubble, recession, and 9/11 job market hit and turned it into the fastest growing economy in 20 years.
Now a member of his administration is doing a job that has been neglected and you want to get rid of him because a radio DJ is upset? I like Stern too, but he doesn't dictate my politics.
It's your right, but it's an ignorant way to cast a vote.
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GWB has a very questionable background in business. He bankrupted 3 companies but always seemed to have backers step up and set him up with a lucrative new business (or ownership in the Astros for example).
Moore's film explores the relationship between the Bin Lauden family and the Bushs.
GWB is not an effective public speaker. I cringe every time I hear him talk. I just wait for the gaffe that I know is coming each time he strays from the written text.
GWB won the election because the democrats were stupid enough to nominate Al Gore (a characterless man whos only claim to fame was claiming to invent the internet and the fact that his wife led the fight for music lyrics censorship).
That is what makes my support for Kerry ironic. I know that that the democrats are far more likely to want radio censorship that the republicans. However Bush seems to have made this one of his pet projects so he deserves to face the wraith of people who support free speech.
Free speech (or as you call it support for a radio DJ) is not some trivial issue. It is a very important component of the fabric of US society. I have lived in many countries with censored news and TV and radio. Free press is what makes America better than all those unwashed countries over in the middle east and asia.
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Originally posted by Habu
GWB has a very questionable background in business. He bankrupted 3 companies but always seemed to have backers step up and set him up with a lucrative new business (or ownership in the Astros for example).
So being able to raise VC is considered a bad thing now?
Moore's film explores the relationship between the Bin Lauden family and the Bushs.
Actually, Moore's film made misleading correlations between events and dates that when you follow the assumption he leaves, gives you a completely false conclusion.
GWB is not an effective public speaker. I cringe every time I hear him talk. I just wait for the gaffe that I know is coming each time he strays from the written text.
So pulbic speaking is more important than National Security or the Economy?
Free speech (or as you call it support for a radio DJ) is not some trivial issue. It is a very important component of the fabric of US society. I have lived in many countries with censored news and TV and radio.
While Stern tries to make Free Speech the issue, it isn't. The community has said there needs to be decency standards on the public airwaves, and the FCC was delegated to enforce those standards. If the community feels they should no longer apply, then it should work to remove them. Not blame a serving POTUS for having an administration that enforces those standards which were established long before he came into office.
Again, if these are the issues you use to choose a POTUS, then you're either still living at home and your parents are supporting you, or you have a priority set that completely differs from my own.
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LOL I read the article..(didnt skim it toad).
Ill probably end up aggreeing with the guy. Moore can make a point I aggree with in a way that I disagree with. He almost makes me change my polititcs away from him.
After bowling for Columbine I almost wanted to stock up the gun closet and vote Charlton Heston for president.
Moore just rubs me the wrong way.
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Originally posted by Martlet
So being able to raise VC is considered a bad thing now?
When the money is given to you for future political favors from your family it is.
Actually, Moore's film made misleading correlations between events and dates that when you follow the assumption he leaves, gives you a completely false conclusion.
Is that your opinion or are you parroting what someone who has actually seen the film has said?
So pulbic speaking is more important than National Security or the Economy?
The only time you can see the emporer has no cloths is when he shows himself in public.
While Stern tries to make Free Speech the issue, it isn't. The community has said there needs to be decency standards on the public airwaves, and the FCC was delegated to enforce those standards. If the community feels they should no longer apply, then it should work to remove them. Not blame a serving POTUS for having an administration that enforces those standards which were established long before he came into office.
The problem is that there has been no huge public outrage against Stern. It is a campaign by a couple of organizations that is trying to get him banned.
If he was so offensive then the public should shun advertisers that fund his show. Problem is that the public gives his show huge rateings and the advertiseing is so lucrative that most of Viacoms (and CBS's) revenue comes from the radio division.
Are you saying that the FCC knows better than the American public what they should be listening to on the radio?
Again, if these are the issues you use to choose a POTUS, then you're either still living at home and your parents are supporting you, or you have a priority set that completely differs from my own.
I consider free speech the most important issue in this election. GWB has many weaknesses I would be willing to overlook but I draw the line at this issue.
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I think you become a traitor the minute you stop supporting the rights of all Amercans to voice their opinions.
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Originally posted by storch
Only in your twisted mind. mikey is pretty close to a traitor, the press is total left wing. they should all move to Canada. they should take the homos with them. you guys like traitors and homos it seems.
You could always just locked the homos and traitors up in a place they'd feel at home in, like the J Edgar Hoover Building.:D
Close by so Cheney could see his daughter on a regular basis.
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Originally posted by Torque
You could always just locked the homos and traitors up in a place they'd feel at home in, like the J Edgar Hoover Building.:D
Close by so Cheney could see his daughter on a regular basis.
Hoover??!!!?? oh yea I remember him!!!! JFK and LBJ's bud given broad power by FDR Hoover the homocrat right? He's dead now. Or was it that he moved to Canada and only thinks he's dead, I don't remember.
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When the money is given to you for future political favors from your family it is.
What political favors has he given his family?
Is that your opinion or are you parroting what someone who has actually seen the film has said?
I can see where you would be confused. Just because you "parrot", doesn't mean we all do.
Read the reviews. Read the content outline. Read other people's opinions. Then form your own.
To answer your question, it's neither. It's fact.
The only time you can see the emporer has no cloths is when he shows himself in public.
Excellent quip. Care to answer the question now?
Are you saying that the FCC knows better than the American public what they should be listening to on the radio
I'm saying that's one of the roles of the FCC. You completely side-barred my point in obvious avoidance. Care to address it, or do you intend to continue to dance?
I consider free speech the most important issue in this election.
That's great. Only free speech isn't in jeopardy. You're trying to spin it as an issue, when it's not.
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Originally posted by Habu
There is one person in Florida who has logged countless complaints against the show with the FCC
Code name: Storch...:lol
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Originally posted by Martlet
What political favors has he given his family?
The Bush family is heavily connected to the oil industry. Look at GWB and Bush seniors record on drilling and exploration issues. Look at his record on pollution laws. Which industry is benifiting?
I can see where you would be confused. Just because you "parrot", doesn't mean we all do.
Read the reviews. Read the content outline. Read other people's opinions. Then form your own.
To answer your question, it's neither. It's fact.[/B]
Kind of like writing a book review when you have not even read the book? Sorry Martlet you are a parrot when you go to secondary sources then make such a biased claim about a movie you have not even seen.
Excellent quip. Care to answer the question now?
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I did. When GWB opens his mouth his intelligence (or lack of) is there for all of us to see. Spin doctors can paint him any way they want but when he talks we see him for who he is.
You judge people your whole life this way. Talk to them and you very quicky can tell if they are intelligent or not. GWB is a puppet.
I'm saying that's one of the roles of the FCC. You completely side-barred my point in obvious avoidance. Care to address it, or do you intend to continue to dance?[/B]
You don't understand the issue. The FCC is not a democratic institution. Powel is a political appointee and he is using the FCC in ways that it should not be used. Don't argue with me, argue with the 8 million people who listen to Stern and think he is not indecent. If they feel strongly on the issue they will vote and you don't vote for or against the FCC commisioners, you vote for or against the government that appointed them and that they report to.
That's great. Only free speech isn't in jeopardy. You're trying to spin it as an issue, when it's not. [/B]
Yes it is
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Originally posted by Habu
I have never liked anything Michael Moore has ever done but I have slowly gotten on the dump Bush bandwagon lately.
My personal beef with Bush started with the FCC and their crackdown on free speech.
I enjoy listening to the radio each morning on the way in to work and on the way home at night. Now the shows I listen to have been butchered with self censorship as they are afraid of the FCC and Colin Powell's son. Howard Stern's show has been on for years and if you listen to it regularly you know it is totally harmless. Lately they are in the position of not being able to run tape of shows they did years ago as now those shows would be considered obscene.
There is one person in Florida who has logged countless complaints against the show with the FCC (he is a lawyer who has little to do with his time except listen to the whole show hoping to find an "indecent" moment so he can log a complaint. The FCC uses his complaint as an excuse investigate the show and fine it. That cyber nazi's have the power under GWB to enforce their perverted view of what is decent on the whole country strikes me as not just wrong, but infuriating.
For that cause alone I say turf GWB out on his ass. I don't like to see power perverted this way. The FCC should not be a muzzle to stop opinions you disagree with from being heard.
One ironic result of the whole FCC mess is that GWB will lose some important swing states as a result of it. Howard Stern has enormous influence with his listeners. He has started an anti GWB rant that will probably result in many non voters registering this election and many GWB supporters switching sides.
He has supported democrat and republican politicians in state and city elections in the past and his candidates have always won. Even when they were not the incumbent.
Howard Stern sux
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Originally posted by storch
Hoover??!!!?? oh yea I remember him!!!! JFK and LBJ's bud given broad power by FDR Hoover the homocrat right? He's dead now. Or was it that he moved to Canada and only thinks he's dead, I don't remember.
was he the guy who had a "special" assistant that worked for him and wore a dress?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
was he the guy who had a "special" assistant that worked for him and wore a dress?
No. Hoover wore the dress...or...was it only women's underwear? sheesh! No wonder he always seemed to have a burr up his a** ...
The double - lives of those who are drunk with power and control....:lol
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habu... get out from under the tinfoil hat man..
I have listened to styern for years off and on and he is one potty mouthed panderer.. He is a whiner of the sienfeld comedy sitcom class... funny for a while but then ... simply annoying.
He is getting slammed because he is just getting more and more filthy mouthed on public radio in order to up his ratings. He is trying to make up for a lack of talent with more on the air shock.
That is all fine but why doesn't he be a man and admit it? Why does he have to blame everyone for the mess he got himself in?
more importantly... How can someone who is reasonably bright fall for his... "i'ts all Bush's fault.. vote him out if you love free speech.." crapola? Your "i'm voting for kerry because bush is mean to stern" logic is sickeningly naive IMO.
you are willing to put in liberal judges and lfurther erode your 2nd amendment rights and slide toward socialism voting for kerry because... because you believe the crap that Bush is mean to stern?
lazs
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
habu... get out from under the tinfoil hat man..
I have listened to styern for years off and on and he is one potty mouthed panderer.. He is a whiner of the sienfeld comedy sitcom class... funny for a while but then ... simply annoying.
He is getting slammed because he is just getting more and more filthy mouthed on public radio in order to up his ratings. He is trying to make up for a lack of talent with more on the air shock.
That is all fine but why doesn't he be a man and admit it? Why does he have to blame everyone for the mess he got himself in?
more importantly... How can someone who is reasonably bright fall for his... "i'ts all Bush's fault.. vote him out if you love free speech.." crapola? Your "i'm voting for kerry because bush is mean to stern" logic is sickeningly naive IMO.
you are willing to put in liberal judges and lfurther erode your 2nd amendment rights and slide toward socialism voting for kerry because... because you believe the crap that Bush is mean to stern?
lazs
lazs
Stern has become less junvinile over the years. His show is what it is but he does not push the limits any more. That was being done by all the Stern wannabe shows out there.
He cannot even play tape of old shows from years back now as they would be obscene. It is the rules that have changed. Not Stern (except he is mellower).
I am as republican as they come. But voting republican does not mean I have to support an idiot for a president like Bush and does not mean he has the write to tell me what I can listen to in the morning.
I am not pro Kerry I am anti Bush.
I am not naive at all. I am afraid of much that Kerry might do if elected however he is not the one who is so arrogant as to alienate his supporters by letting the FCC go after radio shows they listen too and support.
If Bush is that dumb then turf him out I say. Good riddance.
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Originally posted by Habu
I am not pro Kerry I am anti Bush.
they are one in the same and vise versa
habu - that is the silliest reason I have ever heard - LOL
maybe you should write your boy howie and tell him just how mad you are - maybe he'll send you an autographed poster of himself in some obscene gesture LOL
back to my original question - what is different between now and 1942 or the 1950's or 60's? Imagine someone putting out a movie showing REAL links between daddy joe kennedy, unions and the mob while jfk was in office? no way jose - we have become tolerant of the intolerant, from our classrooms to the households & everywhere in between - anyone can do anything without accountability or real penalty or disgrace
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you believe the drivel that stern is spouting about Bush is after stern personally? you guys should share a tinfoil hat.
be honest... there is no opinion that stern has that is entertainoing or even well thought out enough to interest even the morons that smootch his butt on the show... if he didn't add the smut he would be down the tubes in a couple of weeks.
Bush isn't telling you what you can listen to... the FCC is telling members what they can broadcast on the PUBLIC airwaves. stern tries to wrap himself up in the cloak of lenny bruce but he is nothing like bruce who performed for paying adults.
Stern himself would not allow his children to listen to his show... That is what the FCC is all about... Think of them as the bouncer at the door checking ID's so that uneraged can't get in.
As for moore... he is a liar and a panderer and will be a flash in the pan when he becomes too much of a joke and liability to the left he panders to. Go ahead and count him as your friend... ignore his agenda in your zeal to defend stern against his imagined enemy Bush.
lazs
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Richard Nixon lost an election because he did not shave.
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Listen people, I have travelled back in time to warn you about the horrible mistake you are about to make. This thread will get to 2000 posts (none of which are by Ripsnort, surprisingly) and the BBS will crash.
That will give the posters lots of free time, which will cause the start of a new world war.
Please make it stop before it's too late!
Daniel (from the future)
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And Howard Dean lost a nomination because of media lies. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Habu
The Bush family is heavily connected to the oil industry. Look at GWB and Bush seniors record on drilling and exploration issues. Look at his record on pollution laws. Which industry is benifiting?
You didn't answer the question. What political favors has he given his family?
Kind of like writing a book review when you have not even read the book? Sorry Martlet you are a parrot when you go to secondary sources then make such a biased claim about a movie you have not even seen.
Where did I write a book report? The claims you've made about the movie are second hand, too. None of us have seen it. Second hand info is all we have. How is it fair for you to make claims about the book based on other's views, but now me?
I did. When GWB opens his mouth his intelligence (or lack of) is there for all of us to see. Spin doctors can paint him any way they want but when he talks we see him for who he is.
No, you didn't. The question was: Are you saying public speaking is more important than national security or the economy.
Are you ready to answer the question now? This is becoming a recurring theme with you.
You don't understand the issue. The FCC is not a democratic institution. Powel is a political appointee and he is using the FCC in ways that it should not be used. Don't argue with me, argue with the 8 million people who listen to Stern and think he is not indecent. If they feel strongly on the issue they will vote and you don't vote for or against the FCC commisioners, you vote for or against the government that appointed them and that they report to.
If the FCC wasn't meant to be used that way, why was it given content control long before Bush was in office? The fact is, that's EXACTLY how it was meant to be used. This brings us back to my original point: If you are casting your vote because a regulatory agency that was in existance long before Bush took office is enforcing existing laws and it affects an entertainer you like, you are out of touch with the real issues in this election.
Yes it is
Then explain to me how the FCC enforcing existing content laws violates free speech?
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Originally posted by Martlet
You didn't answer the question. What political favors has he given his family?
Already answered (again)
Where did I write a book report? The claims you've made about the movie are second hand, too. None of us have seen it. Second hand info is all we have. How is it fair for you to make claims about the book based on other's views, but now me?[/B]
I saw the clips from the movie dealing with the Bin Laudin family. I know they are in the movie. You are just parroting opinions based on what others have written. Step back and read your replys, you are begining to look really stupid with the rubber glue argument.
No, you didn't. The question was: Are you saying public speaking is more important than national security or the economy.[/B]
Yes I did. And you saying no will not change that. Bush is an idiot. You may like some of the policys of the republican minders who tell him what to think and say but I object to an idiot as a president even if he is given good advice.
Are you ready to answer the question now? This is becoming a recurring theme with you.[/B]
I have answered your questions and you just reply no you didn't. You don't refute anything. You don't give examples of why I am wrong about Bush.
If the FCC wasn't meant to be used that way, why was it given content control long before Bush was in office? The fact is, that's EXACTLY how it was meant to be used. This brings us back to my original point: If you are casting your vote because a regulatory agency that was in existance long before Bush took office is enforcing existing laws and it affects an entertainer you like, you are out of touch with the real issues in this election.
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No I am not. Bush could stop the nonsense right now. Bush could veto the new legislation that will increase fines to 500,000 by saying he will veto it. If he is not against it then he is for it. If he is for it he deserves to get turfed. Not just I feel that way. Read the article I posted below.
Then explain to me how the FCC enforcing existing content laws violates free speech? [/B]
They are selectiving enforcing the laws (I just made a point there try to absorb that) and they are using the threat of fines as a way of stopping shows from airing content (you dont know you crossed the line until you get a 500,000 fine) and finally if you try to fight the fines and you have multiple stations they withhold license approvals and use other such tactics to prevent the challange from getting to court where it may be tossed out.
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Politics
Kerry’s Secret Weapon?
Hundreds of thousands of swing-state radio listeners may turn the unlikely Howard Stern into a presidential kingmaker
by Ross Douthat
.....
hough much has been made of the recent debut of Al Franken as a liberal talk-radio host, the most important political voice on talk radio this year may turn out to be not Franken but the usually apolitical "shock jock" Howard Stern.
Recent months have not been kind to Stern, who found himself a target of the backlash against indecency that followed the baring of Janet Jackson's nipple during the Super Bowl halftime show. In February the radio behemoth Clear Channel Communications dropped him from six of its affiliates for being "vulgar, offensive and insulting." The following month the FCC slapped him with a $27,500 fine for his on-air discussions of sexual techniques such as the "nasty Sanchez" and the "blumpkin" (don't ask). As Congress considers raising obscenity fines as high as $500,000, Stern is contemplating a move to satellite radio, where the FCC couldn't touch him.
The proudly boorish host has cast himself as the target of a Republican vendetta—sparked by his criticism of President Bush and spearheaded by Clear Channel (whose CEO is a Bush family friend). So Stern is fighting back, proclaiming "radio jihad" on Bush's re-election campaign and partly remaking his show—well known for its adolescent obsession with fart jokes, lesbians, and strippers—into a platform for anti-Republican invective. "Remember me in November when you're in the voting booth," Stern tells listeners. "I'm asking you to do me one favor. Vote against Bush. That's it."
The idea of Howard Stern as presidential kingmaker may seem absurd on its face. But Stern has successfully dabbled in politics before. In 1994 he launched a Libertarian Party candidacy for governor of New York, only to quit the race and endorse George Pataki, a Republican, over the incumbent, Mario Cuomo. Stern was polling at six percent before he dropped out, and several political observers believed that his endorsement helped Pataki pull off a narrow win. The previous year Stern had endorsed the Republican candidate Christine Todd Whitman for governor of New Jersey, on the condition that Whitman name a rest stop after him if elected. Sure enough, Whitman upset the Democratic incumbent, Jim Florio—and today the Howard Stern Rest Area graces Interstate 290 just east of Burlington City, New Jersey.
Both those races took place within Stern's home market. But with eight million weekly listeners, Stern also has a larger national audience than any radio host other than Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Dr. Laura Schlessinger (the majority of whose listeners presumably tend to be Republican). Stern could sway many undecided voters, according to Michael Harrison, of Talkers magazine, a nonpartisan periodical that surveys radio listener demographics.
Harrison says that Stern has "a gigantic audience of thirty- to fortysomethings, people who have grown up with him, people who are teachers, accountants, lawyers." Several million of them "would say they lean conservative ... but are on the fence" in this race. And the host has tremendous credibility with his listeners. "He may be raunchy, edgy, dirty," Harrison says, "but he's compulsively honest, and his main target is hypocrisy." Also, it's not hard to imagine that Stern's relentless screeds against the President would compel some of the previously nonvoting members of his audience—people whom political campaigns usually ignore—to turn out for John Kerry.
In a closely divided country it may not take many votes to tilt the electoral playing field. Ohio, for instance, went for Bush by fewer than 200,000 votes in 2000, and is up for grabs this fall. Stern's broadcasts in Cincinnati and Columbus reach a total of 138,000 listeners a week, according to Arbitron, an independent firm that tracks radio audiences. Missouri and Pennsylvania are also swing states; his show reaches 139,000 in St. Louis and 358,000 in Philadelphia.
In Florida, the fiercest battleground in 2000, the Clear Channel purge cost Stern audiences in Fort Lauderdale and Orlando—which is fodder for Bush-Clear Channel conspiracy theorists. But even now Stern's show reaches 38,000 people a week in Fort Myers—seventy times Bush's Florida margin in 2000. In short, it's not inconceivable that Stern could swing a state or two into Kerry's column.
Source:
The Atlantic Monthly; June 2004; Kerry's Secret Weapon?; Volume 293, No. 5; 46.
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Originally posted by Habu
Already answered (again)
Then restate your answer. The truth is, you haven't answered, you're dodging. I'll accept that you can't answer the question so we can move past it, though.
I saw the clips from the movie dealing with the Bin Laudin family. I know they are in the movie. You are just parroting opinions based on what others have written. Step back and read your replys, you are begining to look really stupid with the rubber glue argument.
I've seen clips and read partial transcripts, too. What I'm saying is fact. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Yes I did. And you saying no will not change that. Bush is an idiot. You may like some of the policys of the republican minders who tell him what to think and say but I object to an idiot as a president even if he is given good advice.
Again, not answering the question. Dodge dodge dodge....... *yawn*
I have answered your questions and you just reply no you didn't. You don't refute anything. You don't give examples of why I am wrong about Bush.
Still waiting for you to answer the questions. The fact that you can't by default proves my point.
No I am not. Bush could stop the nonsense right now. Bush could veto the new legislation that will increase fines to 500,000 by saying he will veto it.
Your representatives passed it. You're complaining that Bush is going against the will of the people by fining Stern, now you want him to go against the will of the people by vetoing a bill they passed. Oh the hypocrisy!
They are selectiving enforcing the laws (I just made a point there try to absorb that) and they are using the threat of fines as a way of stopping shows from airing content (you dont know you crossed the line until you get a 500,000 fine) and finally if you try to fight the fines and you have multiple stations they withhold license approvals and use other such tactics to prevent the challange from getting to court where it may be tossed out.
You must have missed the whole "context" portion posted above.
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Does the FCC monitor AM radio as well? ...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Does the FCC monitor AM radio as well? ...:rolleyes:
Yes.
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They do a poor job. There are convivted felons and drug addicts spewing offensive (to me) rubbish everyday on AM.
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Originally posted by rpm371
They do a poor job. There are convivted felons and drug addicts spewing offensive (to me) rubbish everyday on AM.
Then report them to the FCC.
Complaints/violations report (http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html)
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traitor
\Trai"tor\, n. [OE. traitour, OF. tra["i]tor, tra["i]teur, F. tre[^i]tre, L. traditor, fr. tradere, traditum, to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously, to betray; trans across, over + dare to give. See Date time, and cf. Betray,Tradition, Traditor, Treason.] 1. One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country; one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust, delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also, one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or one who aids an enemy in conquering his country.
Pretty tough label to be throwing around. I doubt Mr. Moore qualifies.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
traitor
\Trai"tor\, n. [OE. traitour, OF. tra["i]tor, tra["i]teur, F. tre[^i]tre, L. traditor, fr. tradere, traditum, to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously, to betray; trans across, over + dare to give. See Date time, and cf. Betray,Tradition, Traditor, Treason.] 1. One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country; one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust, delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also, one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or one who aids an enemy in conquering his country.
Pretty tough label to be throwing around. I doubt Mr. Moore qualifies.
I think he does as his actions embolden the enemy.
Again, do you think he'd have gotten away with this in the 40's, 50's, early 60's???
Board Upholds R Rating for 'Fahrenheit' (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&u=/ap/20040622/ap_en_mo/film_fahrenheit_9_11_rating_1&printer=1)
Imagine that ....
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So we have more lies, bias, poor and false logic, expolitation, cheap shots and misrepresentation in yet another Michael Moore propaganda film...
Is anyone surprised?
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I see some of you have difficulty accepting a different POV.....
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Originally posted by Eagler
So why does this slob get a free pass to say/write/film anything that comes out of his bush hating anus?
For the same reason you're allowed to post on this board. Stop being a dumba**, he's not a traitor.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think he does as his actions embolden the enemy.
Again, do you think he'd have gotten away with this in the 40's, 50's, early 60's???
Board Upholds R Rating for 'Fahrenheit' (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&u=/ap/20040622/ap_en_mo/film_fahrenheit_9_11_rating_1&printer=1)
Imagine that ....
Why not Prescott Bush did. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SLO
I see some of you have difficulty accepting a different POV.....
Is that what you call lies, now?
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Originally posted by hawker238
For the same reason you're allowed to post on this board. Stop being a dumba**, he's not a traitor.
anyone who slams the commader in chief in a time of war in an attempt to undermine his leadership is a traitor in my book
anyone who agrees with the enemy and/or assists the enemy by such actions is a traitor
the man's a slob, making a living telling lies & falsehoods about our country and its POTUS to mush minded bush haters like himself
its one thing for someone outside the bounderies of this great country to speak such crap, entirely another for someone enjoying the benefits of the sacrifices of many in this country to spew them..pls save ur "freedom of speech" misinterpretation for others. How high would they have hanged him in 1776?
the man is a pig, in every sense of the word
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Originally posted by Eagler
anyone who slams the commader in chief in a time of war in an attempt to undermine his leadership is a traitor in my book
anyone who agrees with the enemy and/or assists the enemy by such actions is a traitor
the man's a slob, making a living telling lies & falsehoods about our country and its POTUS to mush minded bush haters like himself
its one thing for someone outside the bounderies of this great country to speak such crap, entirely another for someone enjoying the benefits of the sacrifices of many in this country to spew them..pls save ur "freedom of speech" misinterpretation for others. How high would they have hanged him in 1776?
the man is a pig, in every sense of the word
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(Note: The quote in my sig was made during World War I. I say this only because Eagler and Martlet will deny it.)
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Originally posted by rpm371
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(Note: The quote in my sig was made during World War I. I say this only because Eagler and Martlet will deny it.)
I guess if you can't win a discussion, you can resort to putting words in my mouth.
I'm all for criticizing the POTUS. It's what keeps America balanced. There's a difference between criticizing and telling outright lies, though. Liberals seem to have a hard time realizing that.
Until they're disbarred, anyway.
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that from a guy who used to skin Indians rpm?
moore-on would have been run out of town if he'd attacked teddy on his policies towards the American Indians, probably imprisoned
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You are correct. Telling lies would be lible or slander. I don't see anyone filing any lawsuit claiming it is such.
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You won't, either.
I didn't file theft charges against the old bint next door, either. It doesn't mean she didn't steal my rake, it just means it's hardly worth it.
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Your a traitor Eagler, for wishing to destroy your constitution and freedom that the US stands for.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Is that what you call lies, now?
I say POV...you say lies....go figure that one out
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Your a traitor Eagler, for wishing to destroy your constitution and freedom that the US stands for.
LOL right
shutting down moore-on = "destroy your constitution and freedom that the US stands for"
so in ur world the KKK can march up & down the street singing the praises of killing negroes or the local nazi group can walk the streets with posters from ww2 concentration camp ovens, just freedom of speech right? - there are limits to everything and imo moore-on has stepped over his
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http://www.usdoj.gov/marshals/history/civilian/dc_klan.htm
I know I've seen (Neo)Nazi gatherings on the History channel in the US in the 70s, 80s or 90s as well.
They are free to assemble.
-SW
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So much fear.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
http://www.usdoj.gov/marshals/history/civilian/dc_klan.htm
I know I've seen (Neo)Nazi gatherings on the History channel in the US in the 70s, 80s or 90s as well.
They are free to assemble.
-SW
free to assemble but not free to do or SAY anything & everything they feel like doing or SAYING
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Sure they are.
Just the same as those on the sidelines are free to say what they want in return.
Violence is where that freedom ends.
-SW
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Originally posted by Pongo
So much fear.
fear ? - LOL
wrong again
no fear, lack of tolerance. tired of being tread on by the left while everything anything the right does is criminal and nazi
it's bs, michael moore-on is just the latest figurehead for what is wrong with todays liberal to the point of madness way of thinking
and no one has still answered the original question..too bzy defending moore-on and dogface sterns under the "freedom of speech" bs out
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Sure they are.
Just the same as those on the sidelines are free to say what they want in return.
Violence is where that freedom ends.
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no they are not. they are not allowed to incite voilence by their words or deeds .. they can try but would be shut down in a ny minute
yeah, see it everyday on the news - kkk parade complete with life size posters of what they truely believe in - not :rolleyes:
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I have been smoten by the ultimately gay emoticon, the infantile rolleyes.
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Originally posted by Eagler
and no one has still answered the original question..
I think that's because nobody knows what you're talking about.
What I personally don't get is whether by 'traitor' you mean like actual bonafide under arrest traitor or you're just sayin' it kinda like one would say 'hippie scum' or 'them gawdamn queers'.
A figure of speech I could understand... yet, you seem to want an actual answer.
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Originally posted by Habu
GWB has a very questionable background in business. He bankrupted 3 companies but always seemed to have backers step up and set him up with a lucrative new business (or ownership in the Astros for example).
It was the Texas Rangers.
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Originally posted by Eagler
no they are not. they are not allowed to incite voilence by their words or deeds .. they can try but would be shut down in a ny minute
yeah, see it everyday on the news - kkk parade complete with life size posters of what they truely believe in - not :rolleyes:
You have just proven you don't know what the heck you are blabbering about. You don't see it on the news everyday because the KKK is a shadow of it's former self (thank god). But, they still have the right to parade, hold rallys and dare I say it speak whatever they want. Do a Google search and you will find several news stories. I won't promote them by posting links. And learn a little bit about the constitution before spouting off.
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Originally posted by Eagler
yeah, see it everyday on the news - kkk parade complete with life size posters of what they truely believe in - not :rolleyes:
The lack of stories about KKK parades stems from their relatively common nature rather than their rareness.
It's a dog bites man/man bites dog thing. In journalism, you don't report about every case where a dog bites a person because dog bites are commonplace. If a man bites a dog, on the other hand, you report on it because that's different and newsworthy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Moore has every right to craft his lies.
But apparently you liberals think its unamerican that I use my right to criticize him for those lies...
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But apparently you liberals think its unamerican that I use my right to criticize him for those lies...
Funny how that works.
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Is it just me or does anyone else find the expression "un-American", said with a totally straight face, just a bit weird?
I know it's somewhat common again now (for whatever reason)... But what is this... 1955 again?
Do you own a cardigan Grun?
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Originally posted by Nash
Is it just me or does anyone else find the expression "un-American", said with a totally straight face, just a bit weird?
I know it's somewhat common again now (for whatever reason)... But what is this... 1955 again?
Do you own a cardigan Grun?
Nice hijack try nash.... Run along now..
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So you will not confirm nor deny that you own a cardigan? Sir. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist party?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Moore has every right to craft his lies.
But apparently you liberals think its unamerican that I use my right to criticize him for those lies...
Oh BS. It's un-american to say that criticising the President is traitorous.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Habu
I am as republican as they come. But voting republican does not mean I have to support an idiot for a president like Bush and does not mean he has the write to tell me what I can listen to in the morning.
I am not pro Kerry I am anti Bush.
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I don't normally get into these but this one really bothers me.
So let me get this straight. You are going to vote for a man (Kerry) that you probably disagree with over 90% of the time simply because you don't like the way the FCC is handling Howard Stern.
Interesting, you will vote for a person that you disagree with on almost everything simply because you are upset with one thing with a person that you probably philosophically agree with about 90% of the time.
Very interesting.
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folks, left & right DONT trust politicians! they all bandits. Yesterday you
didnt knew him and tomorrow you sell your soul for him LOL
;)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
The lack of stories about KKK parades stems from their relatively common nature rather than their rareness.
It's a dog bites man/man bites dog thing. In journalism, you don't report about every case where a dog bites a person because dog bites are commonplace. If a man bites a dog, on the other hand, you report on it because that's different and newsworthy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Really? When was the last time you saw a KKK parade in person? Or anyone else here for that matter? Remember, we're not talking about those rare ones reported in the media. 'Cause I have to tell ya, I've never seen one in my almost 50 years.
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habu... have you listened to the morons that call stern? His so called audience? this is the army of idiots that you are joining in not voting for Bush? Do you know that you are parroting stern in that you are saying that you know nothing of kerry only that he isn't Bush? Most of the idiots that listen to stern woulda voted for kerry anyway... you sound like you will be right at home with them... by all means, vote for kerry. Maybe kerry and Bush should bothe be on an episode of survivor or American idol to decide?
As for moore... he is a little lying weazel. His agenda is everything to him and he will self destruct and then it will be chicken in the pen with blood on him time... the other liberals will rip him apart when they see how foolish they have been made to look by his lies being expossed.
The good news is that, even with total control of the media the lefties can't come up with anyone better than moore. Reason being of course, that their agenda is so wrong that it will only go down comfortably if they lie their butts off.
lazs
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cabby? is that you?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Really? When was the last time you saw a KKK parade in person? Or anyone else here for that matter? Remember, we're not talking about those rare ones reported in the media. 'Cause I have to tell ya, I've never seen one in my almost 50 years.
Parades is too strong a word, since most people probably don't go to parades anyway. "Rally" fits more appropriately.
And yes, plenty of KKK and other racist groups rally in public. I've seen them in the Chapel Hill/Carborro area numerous times in the past.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by AKIron
Really? When was the last time you saw a KKK parade in person? Or anyone else here for that matter? Remember, we're not talking about those rare ones reported in the media. 'Cause I have to tell ya, I've never seen one in my almost 50 years.
Always wonder why guys like to prance around wearing dunce caps and skirts and hand out literature my 5 year old nephew could have proof-read for them...
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Originally posted by lazs2
habu... have you listened to the morons that call stern? His so called audience? this is the army of idiots that you are joining in not voting for Bush? Do you know that you are parroting stern in that you are saying that you know nothing of kerry only that he isn't Bush? Most of the idiots that listen to stern woulda voted for kerry anyway... you sound like you will be right at home with them... by all means, vote for kerry. Maybe kerry and Bush should bothe be on an episode of survivor or American idol to decide?
As for moore... he is a little lying weazel. His agenda is everything to him and he will self destruct and then it will be chicken in the pen with blood on him time... the other liberals will rip him apart when they see how foolish they have been made to look by his lies being expossed.
The good news is that, even with total control of the media the lefties can't come up with anyone better than moore. Reason being of course, that their agenda is so wrong that it will only go down comfortably if they lie their butts off.
lazs
Laz no one is stupider in this universe (except maybe SLO) than the people that call in to radio shows and especially the ones that call in to Stern. What kind of loser has so little life that he has to call in a butt kiss a radio show host?
I like to hear the callers because they are such losers. It makes me feel better about people in my life knowing how stupid some others are out there.
But that is part of the entertainment of the show. And the callers are not typical listeners. Typical listeners never call in to radio shows.
Look no one can convince me GWB is a smart guy. I worked in Odessa Texas for a while and I know exactly the type of company he was running and the area it was based in. He is a pretty unremarkable guy. But he could still be an effective president if he had really good advisers and minders telling him what to do.
But when the whole crap with the FCC started I decided perhaps it was time to elect a more enlightened president. I hate the democrats usually but I say elect Kerry for 4 years and if he makes an bellybutton out of himself then turf him and bring back the new Republican president. Eventually the USA will get a great President and not have to settle for mental midgets like GWB.
BTW I hate everything Moore has ever done. But this movie fascinates me because it dares to pull the carpet back and look at what is underneath in the GWB life. And from what I hear it very accurate. Moore has an army of fact checkers working for him to defend the movie against anyone who says it is BS.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Parades is too strong a word, since most people probably don't go to parades anyway. "Rally" fits more appropriately.
And yes, plenty of KKK and other racist groups rally in public. I've seen them in the Chapel Hill/Carborro area numerous times in the past.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I lived in South Carolina for a couple of years in the early '70's and while I did notice more brazen racism there I can't say I ever saw a KKK rally. Never saw one the couple of years I lived in Arkansas either. I'm sure they have 'em though. Just like I'm sure they've been held in Texas, just never seen one.
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habu
throw away that vote - you lose either way LOL
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Originally posted by Eagler
to your country?
the lies of michael moore (http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/)
Wow, you read Slate?
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trea·son ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn)
n.
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
I doubt that Moore is consciously acting to aid our enemy. He's just an unwitting tool.
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habu... still don't get how your mind works... it seems that rather than be sickened by sterns over the top rants and baseless accusations... you are simply parroting him... you actually believe that Bush is out to personally get this pathetic excuse for a human being?
Tell me... without the potty mouth... could stern have any audience at all? without exceeding and breaking FCC rules would anyone listen to him?
So far... The only thing I like about Bush is that he does what he says he will do. aHe may or may not be bright but klinton never ever did what he said he was going to do. I don't believer kerry is any better judging on the way he evades.
as for moore... I don't believe that anything in any of his films is anthing like what it appears to be... all a big lie... If yu doubt me then go walk around South central by yourself (if you are white). MM says it is perfectly safe. Go read the plaque on that vietnam era B52 and see if it says what moore claims... check the dates on Hestons speeches and what he really said. check what more says, his own opinions.. how we need to send more troops to afgahnastan for instance.
when you start to side with the lefties you have to really put on the blinders... it's a whole way of life.
lazs
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When you "give aid and comfort" to the enemy it means hiding them in your home, feeding them, supplying weapons, giving secret information and such. It does not mean that calling the President of the United States a chimp, dim witted, deserter, money grubbing, war monger, coward, bald faced liar or anything else. That is dissent.
Main Entry: 1dis·sent
Pronunciation: di-'sent
Function: intransitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin dissentire, from dis- + sentire to feel
1 : to withhold assent
2 : to differ in opinion
Main Entry: dis·si·dent
Pronunciation: -d&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin dissident-, dissidens, present participle of dissidEre to sit apart, disagree, from dis- + sedEre to sit
: disagreeing especially with an established religious or political system, organization, or belief
- dissident noun
Seems Mr. Moore fits all these listed. Now let's backtrack and look at that accusation of treason again.
Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray --
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
Moore was never a member of Bush's administration so he was not in a trusted position to betray. #1 doesn't apply.
So far I have not heard of Moore trying to overthrow any governments, kill any political leaders or any member of their families. #2 doesn't apply.
Give it up NeoCons. You love to sling the smelly stuff, you just can't handle being on the receiving end. Wrapping yourself in the flag does not give you the power to silence those who think you are wrong.
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rpm
does your banner reflect the fact you have only loved your country since 9/11?
keep defending the pig - it'll be bacon soon enough
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Originally posted by Eagler
rpm
does your banner reflect the fact you have only loved your country since 9/11?
Eagler, I'm afraid I'll have to fine you. Your irony detector is malfunctioning and it's dangerous for you to drive thru this BBS without it.
Daniel
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This is treason:
SEATTLE — A U.S. soldier accused of trying to help Al Qaeda (search) has been ordered to stand trial at a court-martial (search) but will not face the death penalty, Army officials said Wednesday.
The trial for Spc. Ryan G. Anderson (search) was ordered June 9 by Lt. Gen. Edward Soriano, commander at Fort Lewis, south of Seattle, but was not made public until Wednesday.
Anderson, 26, who was raised as a Lutheran but converted to Islam, was arrested in February and charged with five counts of trying to provide the terrorist network with information about U.S. troop strength and tactics as well as methods of killing American soldiers.
At a hearing in May, prosecutors presented a secretly recorded video showing Anderson meeting with two undercover military officials who were posing as members of Al Qaeda.
In the meeting, Anderson offered information about weaknesses in the M1A1 Abrams, the military's primary battle tank, according to the video.
He could face life in prison if convicted. Fort Lewis spokesman Joe Hitt said Soriano would not give any public explanation for why he decided not to pursue the death penalty
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Originally posted by Eagler
rpm
does your banner reflect the fact you have only loved your country since 9/11?
keep defending the pig - it'll be bacon soon enough
I can't believe you don't have the NeoCon bumpersticker on your Yugo.
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Originally posted by Habu
Laz no one is stupider in this universe (except maybe SLO)
didn't know STUPIDER was a WORD in this universe....
makes ya look very bright Habu
:rofl
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Originally posted by SLO
didn't know STUPIDER was a WORD in this universe....
makes ya look very bright Habu
:rofl
Because "ya" is very intellectual.
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So is the improper use of the word "intellectual".
But anyways.... anyone who argues with Martlet is begging for it. You do it to yourselves.
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Originally posted by Nash
So is the improper use of the word "intellectual".
But anyways.... anyone who argues with Martlet is begging for it. You do it to yourselves.
in·tel·lec·tu·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntl-kch-l)
adj.
1.
1. Of or relating to the intellect.
2. Rational rather than emotional.
2. Appealing to or engaging the intellect: an intellectual book; an intellectual problem.
3.
1. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree. See Synonyms at intelligent.
2. Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.
Begging to be shown a fool. You wear that hat well.
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Originally posted by SLO
didn't know STUPIDER was a WORD in this universe....
makes ya look very bright Habu
:rofl
Well the last time I checked SLO, stupider was a word. It means more stupid. Thanks for proving my post.
lol
Q.E.D.
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Well whatever Martlet.
It turns out that farmers are going to be producing potatoes that have 1/3 the calories of the regular variety. Thus, I don't even know how you can even maintain your position with a straight face. Further, show me where I DIDN'T deny it. Plus you are an American. And if you could attend a ballet, a dream ballet with a dream ballet performer in a dream ballet venue what and who and where would that be? Pfft... communist.
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Originally posted by Nash
Well whatever Martlet.
It turns out that farmers are going to be producing potatoes that have 1/3 the calories of the regular variety. Thus, I don't even know how you can even maintain your position with a straight face. Further, show me where I DIDN'T deny it. Plus you are an American. And if you could attend a ballet, a dream ballet with a dream ballet performer in a dream ballet venue what and who and where would that be? Pfft... communist.
I love watching you admit defeat.
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WOOHOO YOU WIN TEH INTARDNET.
CHOO DEFEAT ALL BBS NME
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Hab do you have a red license plate?
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Originally posted by Habu
Well the last time I checked SLO, stupider was a word. It means more stupid. Thanks for proving my post.
lol
Q.E.D.
really...then that fuggin dictionary I have is worthless then.....
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Originally posted by Martlet
Because "ya" is very intellectual.
lmao....intellectual and AH BBS are very very far apart you right wing nutcase.
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Kissinger is very intellectual.
So was Keats.
It also turns out that "ya" is very intellectual. If ya get a chance, don't pass it up - let "ya" demonstrate its heady intellectual prowess.
("Because "ya" is very intellectual." - Martlet)
Mart you nutty guy.
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Originally posted by Nash
Kissinger is very intellectual.
So was Keats.
It also turns out that "ya" is very intellectual. If ya get a chance, don't pass it up - let "ya" demonstrate its heady intellectual prowess.
("Because "ya" is very intellectual." - Martlet)
Mart you nutty guy.
You, on the other hand, are not.
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Nice sidestepping of the potatoe issue.
Fascist.
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Originally posted by Nash
Nice sidestepping of the potatoe issue.
Fascist.
I learned it from you. You've dodged the main point in almost every thread you've entered.
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lol I'm not convinced at this point that you can even read.
Antichrist.
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Martlet, refusing to listen to the other side does not mean you win a debate. It just means you are obstinate.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Martlet, refusing to listen to the other side does not mean you win a debate. It just means you are obstinate.
refusing to listen? I read and responded to just about everything. Is there something else you'd like me to respond to?
The "other side", however, ran out of argument and turned to jibberish instead.
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obstinate? :confused:
The guys a TOOL.
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Originally posted by Nash
obstinate? :confused:
The guys a TOOL.
excellent response. Proves my last statement entirely.
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Once again, Nash nails it!
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"The "other side", however, ran out of argument and turned to jibberish instead." -Martlet
Listen, Martlet, you baloon hater.
I know the other side. I have worked with the other side.
You sir, are no other side.
Yer just a goof. :D
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You crossed over to the other side long ago.
Look on the bright side, your side can marry in MA now.
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OOH low blow I call FOUL!
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poodle beater.
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Originally posted by Martlet
refusing to listen? I read and responded to just about everything. Is there something else you'd like me to respond to?
The "other side", however, ran out of argument and turned to jibberish instead.
Martlet you do not listen and respond to the other side. You do not post facts to back up your points. You simply accuse the other side of dodging the issue and then proclaim you won.
What you don't realize is that the other side simply stopped responding because when the debate drops to that level it really is pointless to try to continue it with someone whos only response is going to be "You did not answer my question" or "I already answered that question"
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Originally posted by Habu
Martlet you do not listen and respond to the other side. You do not post facts to back up your points. You simply accuse the other side of dodging the issue and then proclaim you won.
What you don't realize is that the other side simply stopped responding because when the debate drops to that level it really is pointless to try to continue it with someone whos only response is going to be "You did not answer my question" or "I already answered that question"
What points would you like me to confirm with facts? I'd be happy to.
As to the "didn't answer my question" bit, you didn't. I pointed out the questions you didn't answer. You still avoided them.
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Originally posted by Martlet
The "other side", however, ran out of argument and turned to jibberish instead.
The correct spelling is gibberish. In addition, your sentence structure sucks, as well. :lol
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Is this treason or reason?
dont read this Martlet! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5279743/)
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
The correct spelling is gibberish. In addition, your sentence structure sucks, as well. :lol
Excellent points. I'll take that into consideration.
Is this treason or reason?
Reason. I think objectivity and questioning the administration is a good thing. While I don't agree with much of what was said (and I generally disregard most anonymous sources) some valid points were raised.
This war isn't black and white.
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Originally posted by Habu
Let me clarifly my opinion.
I now hate GWB because he is sicking the FCC against Stern. Moore made a very anti GWB film.
The enemy of my enemy is now my friend.
:aok
You must hate Kerry too, then. One of the only votes he showed up for last week was to increase FCC penalties. Guess which way he voted?
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Originally posted by Nash
Nice sidestepping of the potatoe issue.
Fascist.
Hey Nash,
You spelled 'Potatoe' the same way Dan Quayle did.
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Har har....
I bet Quayle could kick my bellybutton in a spelling bee. :)