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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oboe on June 22, 2004, 04:32:00 PM
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to whoever it was this morning; I had just pulled out of a barely- controllable dive in my P-40 and found myself 200 yds away from the La-7 and closing way too fast - I was trying for a split second gun solution while avoiding the imminent collision, all while trying to comprehend what, "Dad, you gotta see what I did with the microwave!" that my 10 yr old was trying to tell me over my shoulder meant. I had to run and check the microwave so someone got an AFK kill on me but I didn't get back in time to see who it was.
Having said that, calling me a "fediddleing salamander" over vox because you didn't get a 6 call from me was way, way out of line. My son was right there when you said that. Not cool at all.
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forced (range) vox is evil. more even than the previously "forced" ch1.
but then you could always turn vox off. or use headphones. or... or... or...
it's my understanding much worse goes over vox than ever has on ch1. ymmv.
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The sad fact is that this is an all-too-common occurrence these days, and it really sickens me to read that young children are around to hear these outbursts. I get fed up of hearing people complain about not getting a Check6, as if it is everybody's fault but their own that they got shot down! More often than not it is their own lack of SA which is the problem. If I get shot down, the only person I ever blame is myself.
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On the other hand, some people don't give out check-6s when they should. Ofcourse, it's not a legal matter or anything, but..
There are innocent victims of accusation like oboe, but there are other instances.
Like, every time I fly and see an enemy plane closing behind me, I keep quite and scan around who gives me a 6-call. Many good people do give me calls, but every now and then, I see a bad guy behind me at about 1.0, and I see a friendly behind him at something like 2.0. I wait for the 6-call, see when he's gonna give it to me.
Nope, zip, zilch, nada.
And then I go into an overshoot maneuver. And I try to give that guy a killshooter.
"oops, sorry. I didn't know you were there. I'd have known if you had given me a check-6 that you were chasing that boget."
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Dang... a check six is a gift, not a right. Cracks me up people flying in a furball get mad about not getting a check six... 1) like we were not busy enough checking our own, and 2) they were not aware there were 15 enemy planes buzzing around. It is your responsibility to check you own six. I give calls when I can, and have been saved many times by them, but I don't expect someone else to be responsible for watching my six. Like oboe, I have been cursed at when my mic doesn't work or being AFK, looking somewhere else etc... System should auto squelch someone for a minute after their death. =) Anyway... I just wish we had a permanent squech list so you could decrease the chance of it happening.
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I agree 100% Paxil
:aok
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Originally posted by Kweassa
On the other hand, some people don't give out check-6s when they should. Ofcourse, it's not a legal matter or anything, but..
There are innocent victims of accusation like oboe, but there are other instances.
Like, every time I fly and see an enemy plane closing behind me, I keep quite and scan around who gives me a 6-call. Many good people do give me calls, but every now and then, I see a bad guy behind me at about 1.0, and I see a friendly behind him at something like 2.0. I wait for the 6-call, see when he's gonna give it to me.
Nope, zip, zilch, nada.
And then I go into an overshoot maneuver. And I try to give that guy a killshooter.
"oops, sorry. I didn't know you were there. I'd have known if you had given me a check-6 that you were chasing that boget."
I never expect a check 6 call. You have issues if you scan around for people to give you check 6 calls.
The other day I tried to help you out when I was in a VERY fast pony and you where on the deck. I made a pass at the slow plane and pulled up to come back around. I was going FAST just to get down to you and couldn't just turn on a dime. All I got for trying to help you was a complaint.
You complained that no one helped you and that you woudn't be helping anyone of us from now on.
Some people are such babies.
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A whine about not getting a Check 6 is a lame wussy cop-out excuse for poor S/A.
Whine on wussys':aok
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I agree ch6s are a gift. There is one complaint worthy non-ch6 in my book though. Thats the one where 3-6 friendlies are on 1 enemy that is out of your reach anyways. And later when you're saddled up in your own fight those same 3-6 friendlies watch as that same 1 enemy cherry picks you. Cod I hate ineffective friendlies :)
Doesnt everyone use headphones? :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
The sad fact is that this is an all-too-common occurrence these days, and it really sickens me to read that young children are around to hear these outbursts. I get fed up of hearing people complain about not getting a Check6, as if it is everybody's fault but their own that they got shot down! More often than not it is their own lack of SA which is the problem. If I get shot down, the only person I ever blame is myself.
The ones who whine about no check6 calls, are ones who SA abilites suck.
I REALLY hate to break it to people,........ But,...,..... each and EVERY time you get shot down it's because you do not use SA properly and put yourslef in a position to die. Somewhere along the line your SA on your 6 failed. You should always fly as if you are solo, watch your own damn 6.
If someone DOES give you a check 6 call it's because they see your practice of SA on your own 6 isn't very good.
The only reason anyone gets on your 6 is because somewhere a long the line you allowed them to be there.
Instead of whining about no check 6 calls, trying using the whine time to learn better SA and ACM.
Really a pathedic conversation to even exist.
What, you can't fly your own plane, so you expect someone to fly their plane and yours too>?
Anim
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Funny thing. for the longest while most of the check 6's I was getting were ones from people who mistakingly thought the bogie I was chasing was really chasing me.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
On the other hand, some people don't give out check-6s when they should. Ofcourse, it's not a legal matter or anything, but..
There are innocent victims of accusation like oboe, but there are other instances.
Like, every time I fly and see an enemy plane closing behind me, I keep quite and scan around who gives me a 6-call. Many good people do give me calls, but every now and then, I see a bad guy behind me at about 1.0, and I see a friendly behind him at something like 2.0. I wait for the 6-call, see when he's gonna give it to me.
Nope, zip, zilch, nada.
And then I go into an overshoot maneuver. And I try to give that guy a killshooter.
"oops, sorry. I didn't know you were there. I'd have known if you had given me a check-6 that you were chasing that boget."
I believe steve coined the term sloberdonkey for thos that fail to give a chk6 while chasing the con chasing you
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If you are aware enough to see a friendly, see the enemy that is shooting you down... why would you need a check 6 call?
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Originally posted by Paxil
Dang... a check six is a gift, not a right.
I agree. I get shot down all the time and don't get angry when I don't get a check6. But I do get angry when someone gives me a check6 so they can steal my kill.
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This topic was titled about a check 6 call when it seems the actual subject in the author's mind was the message said over range vox.
Range vox is pretty bad, and as mentioned somewhere above, unavoidable. Language can be, and often is, a lot worse than Channel 1 ever was.
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I'm guilty of doing that exact thing DREDIOCK! Unfortunately the reaction given back was more often than nought so bad that I for one stopped giving out check six calls altogether. After that I would ignore, squelch or lol out at the tardlings that would whine about not getting one. But I never had the family here experience what oboe did as I always flew with a headset on. It cuts down on the "immersion" somewhat to have plastic ear peices on al the time but as the numbers online in AH skyrocketed the vox "talk" just got worse and IMO there was no other choice.
That and my wife once got ill when she heard Dago sing....
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I'm with Flossy on this one - although my tail feathers have been saved on many occasions by helpful '6' calls, I never expect them as a right. If I get busted I know it's my own fault. I give '6' calls when I can (now that I know how the six call button works (tks to Flossy)), but I've sometimes got my own hands full surviving and maintaining my own SA. Like Westy, I use a headset now to spare my family the chatter - not that I hear much bad stuff on range, most folks use genteel language online - and, since all WWII pilots wore helmets with earphones, I believe that this increases the immersion factor!
As a recently recycled newcomer, I gotta say that I get a real big kick out of listening to all those different accents (there was no vox yet when I had my first AH account) - the amazing American drawls with their inventive slang, the unmistakable nazal Aussie and Kiwi accents which propagate so well on vox, the European, Israeli and various UK accents. The sense of flying with real people is enormously enhanced for me.
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On topic - I use headphones
Off topic - 50% of the time I get a six call the con is in front of me.
If I don't get one and someone takes me out, I should have seen him.
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It's up to the pilot to rubber neck but those that chase an enemy plane up my six and don't warn me because they are trying to get a cherry pick and don't want me and the bogie to turn will usually hear from me on my way down unless I've been powdered....Most of the time I check six people period I know that some times I can't tell who's chasin who but I will attempt to warn the friendly. I do however have a mental list of friendlys who I will watch get vulched,cherry picked, or just plane ole snuck up on, and shot down then this thin line of a smile comes across my face. I will say the past couple of months the Knights are getting better with the check sixes. .....watch it you've got someone on your tail!!!!!
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Originally posted by nopoop
On topic - I use headphones
Off topic - 50% of the time I get a six call the con is in front of me.
If I don't get one and someone takes me out, I should have seen him.
Heh, the Awesome power of the "check 12"
I'm sure there are a number of reasons for this.
1. Guy was trying to check6 someone else, accidentally gave it to you.
2. Guy was too far away to tell the attitude of you and the bandit.
3. guy is 25 yards off your 6, and wants you to get the **** out of the way.
My general policy is to ignore most check 6's if I'm in a furball. If it's a squad mate, I tend to be more receptive, but otherwise I they are more trouble than they are worth. It has never occured to me to be angry at someone for not giving me a check 6.
And it goes the other way too. I don't give check6s using the check 6 function. In a show of terrible disrespect to the non-english speaking comunity, I give the following check 6 notification on the range channel": " watch the "
-Sik
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When I played, I never used the "check 6 feature". I would occasionally type a "check 6 XXX" over CH2 as doing that also lets other friendly pilots in the vicinity know to give pilot XXX a hand. I did not use VOX, but if I did I would use that over the automated check-6 feature. Seems to be a good use for the "Range" vox channel IMO.
I frequently yelled at people who gave the auto 6-call to me and went so far as to delete the .wav for them in the AH folder. Far from being helpful, it is probably the most irritating "feature" ever added to AH.
If you ever see me online (if I choose to play AH2), don't give me the auto-6 calls. I don't want them. Instead do something useful, like shoot the guy down...dragging and bagging fixated enemies is easy enough you don't really need to communicate much to do it.
IF someone yells at you for not sending a 6-call....the proper thing to do is mock the guy's inability to use his own view keys.
J_A_B
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I try to give them when I can. I find tho that in the heat of a gunfight with more than one friendly in the furball, the `key invariably targets the wrong friendly and whilst typing "delete reference XXX" the real friendly who is in trouble and in need of the Chk 6, has their prop in the water and blood all over their cockpit.
I prefer to warn by Vox. Hopefully the one in need will heed the call to break right or left so that I can acquire a better target solution. Often tho instead of lending a hand to destroy their aggressor, the friendly turns in towards me, creating a tighter arc that I have no hope of meeting and I overshoot with the badguy now having a free for all bullet fest with the victims tail.
Vox can also be marred by much unnecessary conversation cluttering up the much needed help calls, but it is an invaluable asset to those using team tactics and one that should be used more often for such things.
Myself, I have a Cougar with 8 way views both up and down. I have no excuses for not being able to check my own 6. I appreciate those who warn me when I screw up. The thought of getting mad at anyone else in the game for my demise tho, screams of immaturity.
Bottom line. Some people need to grow up.
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Check six early and often
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I never expect a check 6 call. You have issues if you scan around for people to give you check 6 calls.
The other day I tried to help you out when I was in a VERY fast pony and you where on the deck. I made a pass at the slow plane and pulled up to come back around. I was going FAST just to get down to you and couldn't just turn on a dime. All I got for trying to help you was a complaint.
You complained that no one helped you and that you woudn't be helping anyone of us from now on.
Some people are such babies.
You were holding on to that all this time? I forgot about that incident almost immediately.
Sometimes a cynic zap smacks right down on the n00bs to start thinking more carefully and at least try and act like planes from the same country. Hey, I'm no drill seargant, but talking spicy smack works sometimes.
Not to mention that I still try to give out as many check-6 calls as I can to as many people I see which I think may be exposed to danger, and try to help them in any way I can.
If you took that one cynical remark of one isolated incident as a basis for judging my character, hey, you're welcome to think that I'm a baby. Guess I should hold my feisty tongue in presence of you, as it seems pretty clear you've got not a single inch of sense of humour in such 'issues'.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
You were holding on to that all this time? I forgot about that incident almost immediately.
Sometimes a cynic zap smacks right down on the n00bs to start thinking more carefully and at least try and act like planes from the same country. Hey, I'm no drill seargant, but talking spicy smack works sometimes.
Not to mention that I still try to give out as many check-6 calls as I can to as many people I see which I think may be exposed to danger, and try to help them in any way I can.
If you took that one cynical remark of one isolated incident as a basis for judging my character, hey, you're welcome to think that I'm a baby. Guess I should hold my feisty tongue in presence of you, as it seems pretty clear you've got not a single inch of sense of humour in such 'issues'.
lol, holding it in? It's more like I'm responding to the point you tried to make about giving 6 calls. Your post reminded me of it as it had been only a day or two.
I am not judging your character and I have more than a sense of humor. I consider the game a blast and never get angry with anything that happens in the game.
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It's tempting to bite on the argument that people should not complain about the lack of "Check 6" calls, however, the notion that their 6 is their own personal responsibility and they should enhance their SA skills instead of whinning just doesn't wash with me.
Can you imagine for a moment you are back in time and a member of the Army Air Corp flying missions over Nazi Germany. You watch as two friendlies are about to get jumped by 109's and you remain silent (after all, it is their own responsibility). Both of your countrymen go down in flames.
When you return safely home your CO instructs you to promptly file an after action report. You state in your report...
"I watched as a 109 sneaked from under and flame two 47's with the 363rd. Of course, I didn't give them a check 6 call because the dumb a**es shoulda been mindful of SA and their 6 is their own responsibility."
Can you say "Court-martial"?
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The ONLY time I get PO'd when not given a 6call is when it happens during helping the very person(s) who didn't give me the 6call. If i get nailed for not watching, that's my fault, but dammit if it doesn't irratate the poop out of me when a guy askes for help, I swoop down and get the bogey to break, he reverses to pick up another bogey thats dropping on me and fails to tell me about it. :mad:
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Originally posted by Sikboy
My general policy is to ignore most check 6's if I'm in a furball. If it's a squad mate, I tend to be more receptive, but otherwise I they are more trouble than they are worth. It has never occured to me to be angry at someone for not giving me a check 6.
Same with me, I pretty much ignore them since either:
1. I already know they are there
2. I dont care as I'm killing something in front of me.
I do appreciate the fact that folks are trying to help, but for the most part I dont find it useful. That is partly the reason I dont send check6's with the auto thing, I forget that others get angry when they dont get them. If I do anything its on range vox and I'll say something very short like "SIX ! SIX".
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Oboe, you damn trouble maker.
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I give six calls when I can, and I NEVER complain if I get jumped and didn't get a six call. Watching my six is MY job. Learn to be wary even when things look calm. I wish more whiners would take up the same attitude.
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:D Slash!
I got more trouble to stir up, might as well make it known here. I was doing some more research on VF-27's background, and I'll be damned if I didn't learn the squad's nickname was, get this, the "Kangaroos", not the "Hellcats". wtf!? Kangaroos?!?
Wha...haa...???
So is it possible for a thread originator to hijack his own thread?
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Not sure about the hijacking, but delete that before that kangaroo thing gets out!
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In furballs, all bets are off - I'm just trying to stay alive. I can't watch anyone elses six. But more frequently in the MA you 'll see someone chasing a target and develop tunnel vission. If I see an enemy saddling up on them, I 'll give the the ' key
If its a situation where I can't tell whats going on - I'll just call on range vox - "xxxxx- you see the spit below you?"
But all that is a courtesy - no one is supposed to be watching my 6 but me.
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Slash, is the C/O of your squad Capitan Kangaroo? :D
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Slash, is the C/O of your squad Capitan Kangaroo?
Dammit, its started!
:D
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This "Check-six" thing needs to go.........
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Originally posted by Murdr
I agree ch6s are a gift. There is one complaint worthy non-ch6 in my book though. Thats the one where 3-6 friendlies are on 1 enemy that is out of your reach anyways. And later when you're saddled up in your own fight those same 3-6 friendlies watch as that same 1 enemy cherry picks you. Cod I hate ineffective friendlies :)
I agree, I usually don't complain about a lack of check 6's (as stated my SA is my responsibility and I agree), but when the above happens, I think a check 6 is mandatory from someone in the hoard chasing the bogey...
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Originally posted by Shane
forced (range) vox is evil. more even than the previously "forced" ch1.
but then you could always turn vox off. or use headphones. or... or... or...
it's my understanding much worse goes over vox than ever has on ch1. ymmv.
Your understanding is more correct than you could ever imagine