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Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Fariz on March 30, 2000, 08:41:00 AM
First: I complain sometime myself. When frustrated badly I go to the team channel and start crying about bad guns, bad support, bad luck, bad weather and all other kind of bad things which killed me and did not let me to make a kill.

But it is the wrong way if anyone want to became a good virtual pilot. Every time we find an excuse for our loss we lost a chance to use it as a lesson and to avoid it in feature. So I am trying to shut up every time I want to comment my death, and then go offline to watch film and find out what was the reason for the loss. And in 90% of time I find out that it was my mistake more, than anything else. I strongly advise everyone to make same, first it will make channel 1 less noise, second it will be more good pilots in the game.

Fariz
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: FDAce on March 30, 2000, 08:50:00 AM
SShhhhhhhhhhhh Don't tell them that!
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Toad on March 30, 2000, 09:45:00 AM
Hear, Hear Fariz!

Exactly Right!

Usually, there are 3 reasons one gets killed in on-line ACM.

1. Poor SA.

You are hovering 2k over a pair of Spits trying to plan your attack. A B&Z P-51 drops on you and blows you away. The -51 didn't kill you; your poor SA killed you.

2. Poor Flying.

In a Spit you meet another Spit, co-alt, co-E, equal gas and ammo. He kills you in two turns. Face it, he outflew you.

3. Poor shooting.

You see a Spit below hovering over another pair of Spits. You figure he's trying to plan an attack. You B&Z him in your -51 but you fail to hit him as he displacement rolls onto your 6 and blows you away as you egress. His tactics and guns didn't kill you; it was your failure to kill him when you had a major advantage that did you in. (Not to mention the secondary error, a poor egress technique.)

Those are oversimplifications but you are SO right.

When you get killed, it's almost always because you made a fatal error either in judgement, flying or shooting.

...and we ALL do, sooner or later!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: blitz on March 30, 2000, 09:50:00 AM

Well spoken Sir   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Will never understand why some people always complain about being shoot down, would be funny to know their excuses for being beaten in chess   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

blitz
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: humble on March 30, 2000, 10:32:00 AM
I agree completely, 90% of the time if you die...you deserved to. The flip side is the inconsistant lag/FE views that we deal with.

I bought it last night on a Front aspect shot from a wounded hog (1c of course)..on my FE he had no solution..was nose down and away building E at 2.0 on my low 1 o'clock.

all of a sudden I'm getting a "Break, Break!!!" from my wingie over RW as he materializes 800 away on a nice rudder rake...was it Bad SA..nope I watched him the whole way. Bad judgement, maybe, but on my FE he wasn't the major threat. I altered course to minimize his posibility of a shot. But I obviously had some packet drop and YIKE's he mini warps and wham
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: 1776 on March 30, 2000, 11:03:00 AM
toad, countdown to DSL:

Scheduled April 28!!  After that date I will no longer be able to use connect as excuse!!

Will dream up another heheee.  toad, how's your order comming along for DSL?<slowly rubs salt in wound>

Ya need to move to the big city,Overland Park!!<walks around with a Leawood swagger>


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Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Swager on March 30, 2000, 11:45:00 AM
What in the hell is a Leawood swagger??

I have out-flown and have been out-flown, but there are special times when ya run into a bonafide ace!  It seems there is nothing you can do to turn the tide, or to escape.  Ya feel almost hopeless, but ya fly like a possesses madman just hoping a buddy come along to help!  Those are bleak times!   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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-XO- II/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)

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Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Vermillion on March 30, 2000, 11:53:00 AM
When you order yours 1776? I ordered mine 3 days ago, and it will be installed on April 14 !!

640k downstream, and 90k upstream at $49.95/month including ISP.

I can't wait !  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: 1776 on March 30, 2000, 01:48:00 PM
Same deal only $39.95!!!  Someone told me at work that e-trade will be giving away DSL to get you to be a customer!!  Ordered It today from good old SW Bell.

Leawood is a burb of KC. Ppl there think their you-know-what doesn't stink!!

Poor toad lives outside of DSL connect. That's why I was ribbin him  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Oops, I see another house just went up for sale in Lenexa!!!


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Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: CANNON on March 30, 2000, 02:26:00 PM
 On the new gunnery thread, HT points out that nobody has mentioned the bullits dropping to much. Well, if someone had, they would have been labeled a whiner. This is what is wrong with the, you shouldnt complain rule. We need to squeak. And let HTC sort out what is legitimate and what is,nt.
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: hitech on March 30, 2000, 03:21:00 PM
squeaking/whining and questions about bugs, issues or game changes has much more to do with attitude.

Post that go somthing along the lines of this thing is porked , fix it now or continuing to reiterate you veiw point  time and time again will be persived as a whine and wont get much attention from us.

Post that describe a problem with specfics as to the event or why you think somthing should be changed we do look into or consider.

HiTech

HiTech
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: RangerBob on March 30, 2000, 04:54:00 PM
Ok Hitech here's a request.

Please consider changing the bomber gunner positions so that the same number position is the same in each bomber. In other words the #2 position in the b17 I think is a top turret, but currently is a tail gunner in a B26 etc. Make all #2 positions in all bombers the same relative gun position so we can program those into our sticks to jump around. If that position doesn't exist in that bomber just leave it blank.

Thanks

Ranger Bob
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Hangtime on March 30, 2000, 06:09:00 PM
HiTech..

Check the latest gunnery thread. Statistical data was given. Historical data given. Much commentary from both sides of the issue.

We got "the circle is complete"

Yes... it may seem that the issue comes up a lot. Again and again in fact.

I respectfully invite you to address the ISSUES. Not blow off the customers with noise. Obviously there is a problem, percieved or real; it exists; it's received a huge number of posts. Convince us it's not an issue by presenting data and reasoning. Don't dodge it with an attack on the posters.

Sorry if it's an inconvienience. We all want the same thing I think. To stop the whining; just address the issues directly.

Respectfully;

Hang
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Pappy on March 30, 2000, 06:26:00 PM
You can tell from the number of some members post they like squeakin about flying more than flying itself.
"Quake", "Uber" damn was war birds full of these 2 dimensional cartoon characters spewing the daily phrase.
I agree in short
Stop singin and start swinging
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: jarbo on March 30, 2000, 07:36:00 PM
I would like to see the gunner postions synced up on aircraft.  I have heard there is a problem with doing this because the B26 has less guns than the B17 (don't know if its true or not.)  But if this is the case, can you make a "dummy postion" in the B26 with 0 ammo, to make the relative gun positions match.

If syncing the B26/B17 gun positions is not possible can you explain why?  Or if there is a good reason for the difference?

Jarbo
of the Buccaneers

Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Vermillion on March 31, 2000, 07:14:00 AM
Members like me Pappy?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Actually some of us just have jobs where we do alot of internet work at our jobs, and reading and posting here is our way of keeping awake during periods of boredom, or a way of decompressing during a rough day.

Sure I would love to fire up AH at my job. But of course then I would have to find some way to feed my girlfriend and myself afterwards.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Pappy on March 31, 2000, 03:56:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Vermillion:
Members like me Pappy?   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Its up to you to decide if this fits you not me, but heres a test to help you find out.
1. Do you comment on every post no matter what the subject matter.
2. Do you find your self commenting on posts you know nothing about just to feel heard.
3. Do you hate cannons one day and 50 cals the next.
4. Are all planes that shoot you down, cheaters, unfairly modeled, warpers and or HO studmuffingots.
5. Have you or do you often use terms like Quakhawg, dweeb, altmonkey, sissyfire or uber.
6. Do you hate furballing and base capturing.
if you answered yes to 2 or more questions you still have to decide for yourself, I figure if all you do is talk toejam on a message board to guys who can't reach you then ya outa get what you deserve, if you post constructive critisism, ideas for improvement and valid opinions then you might just be participating in an online simulation.
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Toad on March 31, 2000, 04:13:00 PM
I'd say Verm's posts are generally a positive contribution to most discussions.
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: wolf37 on March 31, 2000, 06:15:00 PM
hiya all:

well i will start with the gunner positions ao the buffs, i fly both and i remember what gunner position's go with what number, its not that hard to do.

next, i would say there are a few more then three reasons to why a pilot gets shot down, im sure i have found them all, nomatter why you get shot down, it happens, sometimes bogus reason, sometimes good reason. if you think you are going to play here and never get shot down, WAKE UP.

last, the complaining will never end, get used to it, and some pilots like the whinning so they can verbily trash the whinner, it is a fun thing to do as well.

tip. if you looking for good excuse's as why you got shot down, and it is in no way your fault, contacked caveman and get him to send you a copie of his 1001 escuse's for been shot down, and why other pilot is cheating, lol


blue skies all
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Fishu on April 01, 2000, 02:44:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by 1776:
toad, countdown to DSL:

Scheduled April 28!!  After that date I will no longer be able to use connect as excuse!!

Will dream up another heheee.  toad, how's your order comming along for DSL?<slowly rubs salt in wound>

Actually you still have a reason for lag excuses  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In case:
A. Your DSL provider has begun suck for some router problem and makes some extra lag

or

B. Your enemy lags like yo mommas fat bellybutton after her....  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
See, there is still lag from your opposition!
If some happy flyer has 1400ms pings to HTC and you have some 50ms, theres total of 1450ms lag between you two (ouch)
Enough reason for excuse huh?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(see that everything happens in yours and his FE)
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: Minotaur on April 01, 2000, 11:18:00 AM
Fariz;

As usual, I like your reasoning.  You show alot of common sense.  However; I do at times think that finding that "Something Else is at Fault" is healthy.

For example, I am heavily involved in the game of golf.  In golf, controlling your confidence level is the one of the best skills to learn once you begin to have success in the game.  Any time you start telling yourself, "I messed that up" your confidence falls.  Your confidence does not fall, at least as much, if you say "That one had a poor chance from the start".  Try to never beat up on yourself, and always be your own best buddy.  Basically, "IT IS NEVER MY FAULT" and "This is just the game of golf".  

As to the rest of it, I aggree.  Most of it is just whining for which we all occasionally fall victim.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Title: Complains and progress of pilots
Post by: 1776 on April 01, 2000, 11:27:00 AM
Oh boy, oh boy!!!<quickly downloads Fishu's post>

I still have a great excuse!! WhaaaaaaaaaaWhooooooooo!!!

He heeeeeeee,reminds me of a guy in AW who would kill ya 3 or 4 times then you would kill him and he would be all over open chnl sayin you was warpin.  It always amazed me that the only ppl warpin were the ones that shot him down.  Every time you saw his id shot down you prepared for a 5 min rant about warpin, heheeeeee he is a funny guy,LOL just thinkin about him!!

PS
only 27 days to go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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