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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ra on June 23, 2004, 08:11:37 PM
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You manage to land your damaged plane and skid 10 feet off the side of the runway: you have ditched. Shouldn't this have been changed by now?? :eek:
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Keep dreaming!
But yep I agree.
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You've got to set a boundary between landing and ditching somehow. Today you move the move the buffer out ten feet to accomodate the guy who skidded off the runway, and tomorrow you'll have people whining about expanding it again because they just skidded ten feet outside of the newly expanded area.
Better to keep it simple and sweet.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I ditched at a vehicle base and got a landed successfully lol. I got a film of the landing too and it aint pretty -bounced up in the air and lost wing hitting a hill before skidding to a stop :D
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Hmm, my idea would be that you make the landing-area pretty genrous. Like the whole Airfield.
But, if you damage any part of your plane on landing (maybe save the engine, when a gear is damaged) you ditch, on the runway or not.
This would get ppl to try to land correctly, and on the runway (because there are so many obstacles and just survivng wouldnt be enough) but if you manage to nurse a damaged plane home you dont have to stop within runway-boundaries. Or if you run out of fuel just so that you cannot turn on the engine and roll onto the runway.
What do you think?
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Well I am a lazy guy.
If my plane skids 10 feet from the runway, my pilot would not want to WALK the distance, but rather shoot him self ;)
I land a lot on the runway, breaking every part that is breakable :P
First the prop hits the ground, and there goes the engine.
Now I can see I have too much speed, so I stear to the side holding the break, and the plane tilts on the wing, that snaps off.
After skidding around the runway, loosing different parts, I get a "landed successfully" (but spelt correctly).
They should change THAT in stead :lol
"You have 'landed' but the mechanics beat you up, and yor co grounded you for ever"
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On the other hand u can screw up totaly and crash on the rwy and still get the "succesfull Landing" message.
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If you return to base with a critically damaged plane (i.e. missing control surfaces/tailgear/engine etc.) and do not actually land it properly (i.e. on the landing gear) and instead do a belly landing, you should get a "ditched" penalty anyway. It doesn't matter if you got it on the tarmac or not. That aircraft would be out of commision for however long it took mechanics to fix it/procure supplies etc. By incurring a cost on your country's resources it should be reflected somehow in the scoring - and it is.
This is by far the most god-aweful whine I've heard ever! Practice landing offline or something - its easier than learning ACM.
What? Did you go to the al Qaida school of aviation? Landing? Who needs to land?
Dweebs. :rolleyes:
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So, everytime you loose a gear, your going to get a ditch??? No matter what??
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That's what ditching is more or less so yeah. Ditching wasn't related to how close you were to an airfield, it was the nature of the landing. i.e. if you lose a wheel in combat and can't land the aircraft had to be ditched. In real life there was no point system attached to it so basically "any landing you can walk away from..." was the general sentiment after getting your mount perforated by enemy fire.
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I see.. I dont agree but right on!! LoL I dont agree cause I loose my gear all too often.. lol But your point seems valid nuff.. 8)
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Just think of it this way:
The bastard who shot off your gear doesn't get the kill and you got to live to kill him another day.:aok
Frankly I love pulling off a masterful ditch, getting a plane down that resembles swiss cheese more than a flying machine can be a perk in its own right.
:)
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Why would they not get the kill? Cause I landed at my base? If I land anywhere but my base, they get the kill though, right??
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Why would they not get the kill? Cause I landed at my base? If I land anywhere but my base, they get the kill though, right??
makes sense, if you ditch at your airfield, chances are your not dead.
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The problem is the runway becomes nothing after that. People will never bother to line up for a good landing and that just gets gamey. If they made a grass landing tear the undercarriage off your plane, then they may have something.
As it is, you f----d up your landing, you f----d up your score. Would you like some bread and cheese with that?
btw if your gear is damaged, dont use it and slide in full flaps as slow as she will go.
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landing needs to be harder, grass needs to be softer with different planes reacting differently to the grass
runways need to be able to be cratered with plane damage when you roll into one
vh's need refueling locations for the planes that can land/take off from grass
and the fog needs to be removed from CT - just thought I'd throw that in :)
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I agree with the whole airfield. You make it home you you should get the landing. We should get bonus points for landing a shot up busted up plane as well, rather than getting penalized for milking it home and missing the runway by a few inches.
One thing I do, is when I know a runway landing is not going to happen due to a missing wing tip or the like I put it down at the VH.
I also agree, we should be able to refuel at VHs, and craters in the runway should affect landing and takeoff. Although I could see this as a big problem when you have dweebs constantly bombing the runways so no one can fight and limiting the fighting is the death knell for this game.The problem is the runway becomes nothing after that. People will never bother to line up for a good landing and that just gets gamey. If they made a grass landing tear the undercarriage off your plane, then they may have something.
Baloney, if that were the case you would see people landing anywhere and taxing to the runway. One of the most addictive things is landing a plane, especially in real life. There is not greater feeling than a greaser. I find this true in sims as well.
BTW what do you care if people don't use the runway.
I do agree there should be hazards if you are off the runway.
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The parameters are simple and everyone knows them.
If you can't get to the runway, then you didn't plan properly or you have a damaged aircraft. Either way you knew that if you missed the tarmac you were gonna get a ditch. So you tried hard and failed to get her down where you knew you had to be.
...but you still want the reward for failure?
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Only Score potatos land anyway.....
:D
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re: runway craters, HT answered they'd not be feasible for the server and players to keep track of.
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If you return to base with a critically damaged plane (i.e. missing control surfaces/tailgear/engine etc.) and do not actually land it properly (i.e. on the landing gear) and instead do a belly landing, you should get a "ditched" penalty anyway.
To ditch a plane is to force land it in water. Of course it makes sense to expand that definition to mean any forced landing. I've never heard of landing a damaged plane at an airfield referred to as a ditch.
If you are able to bring your plane home and land it, you have not performed a forced landing and you should not penalized with a ditch. As far as a penalty for damage, maybe there should be a penalty for running our engines so hard they'll need an overhaul after every flight.
As mars01 points out, there is nothing stopping someone from landing on the grass now without penalty so long as he doesn't .ef until he stops on a runway or taxiway. But what is the advantage of even doing this? It's much easier to land on the runway where there are no obstacles to clip.
What is gamey is deciding to ditch your damaged plane in a field rather than try to fly it a sector through enemy planes to the nearest friendly field because you know that if you lose directional control during landing you will have just wasted your time, as the game doesn't make a distinction between stopping on the grass 30 miles away from the field or 100 feet from the control tower.
ra
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Originally posted by ra
game doesn't make a distinction between stopping on the grass 30 miles away from the field or 100 feet from the control tower.
It does. If you're in enemy territory, you get captured. This gives the enemy a kill credit and affects scores, so there is an incentive to try to get close to a friendly base before ditching.
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Also watch out for those re-arm buildings. I was re-arming my 38 and clipped the building with my wing ( 38 wing use to go over the little crapperhouse in AHI) I then spun around curling up my left prop then flipping over causing a "You have ditched" with 6 kills.
-SLICER
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those outhouses are overmodeled!
I care about how people land, because it makes a difference when you are chasing the enemy back to the base. If they could just land it anywhere, they would not have to putz around looking for the runway, or line up and land correctly. It also just looks silly. But to many I suppose looks dont really matter.
Eagler, what is up with the fog! it was not so bad on tuesday (i could see blue above me) but it was still relatively thick. Have you heard what the heck they were thinking?
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Originally posted by ra
To ditch a plane is to force land it in water. Of course it makes sense to expand that definition to mean any forced landing. I've never heard of landing a damaged plane at an airfield referred to as a ditch.
I knew someone was going to point that out. But it's game terminology right? Technically its a crash landing or a belly landing etc etc.
Point taken.
I don't think it changes the fact that the impact on scoring is correct in its application. Just because engine wear isn't modeled doesn't mean that other structural damage because it is modeled shouldn't be applied to your score.
You break it you buy it. :D
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Nursing a beat up crate back and landing her dead stick in the middle of your field and getting a ditch with kills blows.
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You should be landing on carriers anyway slash! ;)
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To ditch a plane is to force land it in water. Of course it makes sense to expand that definition to mean any forced landing. I've never heard of landing a damaged plane at an airfield referred to as a ditch.
Exactly
What is gamey is deciding to ditch your damaged plane in a field rather than try to fly it a sector through enemy planes to the nearest friendly field because you know that if you lose directional control during landing you will have just wasted your time, as the game doesn't make a distinction between stopping on the grass 30 miles away from the field or 100 feet from the control tower.
Thats right there is no incentive to nurse a plane home when you know there is a 90% chance that you are going to get a ditch anyway. Personally I like the challenge so I try to get it home and on the runway. It's the ones that you get there land on the runway and like ra said you come to stop two feet off the runway and get a ditch. Totally lame.
but you still want the reward for failure?
That's what's being debated. I don't think that this is a failure. You got it home, you got it on the ground whithout getting killed, you walked away. That is the success. The old attage is Any landing you can walk away from is a good one.
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Originally posted by Adogg
I knew someone was going to point that out. But it's game terminology right? Technically its a crash landing or a belly landing etc etc.
No, technically it is a FORCED landing, ie you had no choice but to land off field somewhere. Out of fuel, engine dead, bad weather, whatever. Damage is not a necessary condition. The current ditch criteria don't take this into consideration.
Instead of saying "you have ditched" it should say "your plane did not come to a stop on friendly tarmac."
ra
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You should be landing on carriers anyway slash!
I get lazy in the MA:D
I don't think that this is a failure. You got it home, you got it on the ground whithout getting killed, you walked away. That is the success. The old attage is Any landing you can walk away from is a good one.
Yep.
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ATTN, ATTN the worst thing ever. This bug must be fixed now.
AHII Says You have ditched instead it positivly has to read
"your plane did not come to a stop on friendly tarmac."
:rolleyes:
HiTech
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HAhahahahah
Yeah title is kinda over board lol
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Originally posted by hitech
ATTN, ATTN the worst thing ever. This bug must be fixed now.
AHII Says You have ditched instead it positivly has to read
:rolleyes:
HiTech
I guess no one has ever accused you of having a SENCE OF HUMAR.
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HiTech,
Maybe a Jeep with a towbar and winch could be modeled to tow "ditched" airplanes back onto the runway! LOL
Oooo, oooo and one with cup holders and an umbrella for a few perks. I'll just sit at the end of the runway drinking cold ones in the shade waiting for people to bounce and skid off the runway....
righty
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ROFL! Of course HiTech has a sense of humour.... only last night in the MA there was a collective gasp when in answer to someone asking what to press for auto-land, he replied "isn't it Alt-F4?" :aok :D
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How about a point multiplier change. When you land on runway nothing changes, when you land on the field "or set distance from runway" you still land your kills, you still get your name in lights, but the multiplier changes to a lesser value and your perk points are slightly lower.
RHIN0
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oh that made my afternoon
by the way, do use liquid nitrogen to get that 286 to run at 133mhz? lol
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Technically, you aren't supposed to stop and get out of your aircraft on the runway but really you are supposed to end up *off* the runway and shut down. Seems they do have it backwards anyway.
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Well, some guys just fell dead asleep in there planes on the tarmac after landing. thats me.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
The problem is the runway becomes nothing after that. People will never bother to line up for a good landing and that just gets gamey. If they made a grass landing tear the undercarriage off your plane, then they may have something.
As it is, you f----d up your landing, you f----d up your score. Would you like some bread and cheese with that?
btw if your gear is damaged, dont use it and slide in full flaps as slow as she will go.
You might want to take a closer look at WW2 fields, especially
the earlier ones. Large grass squares were not uncommon, and
they had several advantages...not the least of which is fewer
crosswind landings.
The switch to paved strips was mostly due to larger, heavier
aircraft later on in the war. Grass still proved very useful to
fighter types though.
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The large landing squares were called "landing mats".
The primary training fields that my father used in Texas were a mile square. He said you just pointed into the wind and tried to stay out of each other's way. There'd be dozens of planes using the mat at one time.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
oh that made my afternoon
by the way, do use liquid nitrogen to get that 286 to run at 133mhz? lol
There we are ergRTC,
...been a long time since I saw the old Compy 286...first computer I had. Thought it was cool to play "Harpoon"
Had to upgrade to play "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe" and BoB.
Brought the old boy out to play AHII, works great, just knocked the cobwebs off, and ready to go. They just don't build 'em like they used to...
righty
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Originally posted by ra
I guess no one has ever accused you of having a SENCE OF HUMAR.
Don't worry, Nobody ever accused you of being funny :p
-Sik
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Originally posted by Puke ver. 2
Technically, you aren't supposed to stop and get out of your aircraft on the runway but really you are supposed to end up *off* the runway and shut down. Seems they do have it backwards anyway.
You can taxi to a hangar if your want. Parking your plane on any paved surface counts as a landing, any unpaved surface counts as a ditch.
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How about if you could land then get out and walk to the runway. You would still land your kills the multiplier would change to a value to reflect that you had ditched, but add a small percentage to the total for the walk back to base.
On top of all that it would say on the game kill message channel something like " XXXXX landed 2 kills, ditched and walked his sorry oscar back to base."
:lol
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not necessarily true about the damage.
Alot of times, ive been too lazy to lower my gear and get my hellcat to slow down, so I come in at 300 miles an hour on the strip wheels up. I lose a wing, a tail, anything. When I come to a stop, I get a nice "You have landed safely" as long as im on the strip.
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...and that's stupid. And a serious flaw in the way landings are scored.
You'd also stand a good chance of not surviving if you'd done that in real life.
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Well... ive been in a crashed Cessna, and I survived that one! So I figure my Hellcat can do it too! lol
But you know what they say....
"Any landing you walk away from is a good one!" :aok
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After reading this post, nowhere did anyone address GV landings.
Usually, the fly guys forget about the Ostwinds that have been parked just off the runway or other spots around the area protecting their airfield. And then gets his engine shot out or track shot off. Your Ostwind is now "Ditched". And if Ostwinds just park on the runway, you invite bombers to blow you up in one nice little line. This "You have ditched", or "You have crashed" while on a friendly base is wrong. Tanks don't land, and don't ditch, but are bound by aircraft rules. If I am on a friendly base, be it in the grass or on the runway, I should be allowed to safely land my kills. This should also go for towns.
If you belly land your plane and rip it to shreds on the runway, you get your kill points. If you land a brand new plane with no fuel 6" off the runway, you loose your kills.
For a GV, if you drive all the way to town to protect it, you have to drive all the way back to the field to land your kills. Driving for 20 minutes with a shot out turret is always fun. Especially when a single strafe with .303s or 20mm rounds takes out the 15mm to 80mm armor turret that 75mm AP rounds couldn't. You use to be able to land your kills by parking in the Map room in town. From what I found, you can't do that any more.
Friendly fields, friendly GV bases or friendly towns should allow successful landings within the confines of the perimeter. There is always a tow bar around to move your plane after you are in the tower, or a tow truck to take a disabled vehicle back to the garage.
LTARsqrl
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Originally posted by -MZ-
If you're in enemy territory, you get captured.
Uh not always.. pigs took a base about a week ago and an enemy tank landed his kills there about five minutes or so after we captured it, funny thing was he landed at least 2k out from anything. I think I have a film of that one somewhere...
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If a base is not under attack (flashing), you can land succssfully. That is just another thing that is weird.
LTARsqrl
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Originally posted by hitech
ATTN, ATTN the worst thing ever. This bug must be fixed now.
AHII Says You have ditched instead it positivly has to read
:rolleyes:
HiTech
Look at it this way HT, if that's the worst thing ever, you sure gotta pretty good game. ;)
PS... And get a SENCE OF HUMAR would ya? :p
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Originally posted by MadSquirrel
For a GV, if you drive all the way to town to protect it, you have to drive all the way back to the field to land your kills.
Now I thought a member of LTAR would know, you can land your kills at a town - as long as you are parked on one of the 'roads' in the town before you end flight. :)
I also spend a lot of time in GVs, and one of the first things I do is make sure I am parked up on a town road, or any hard surface on a field before switching my engine off. If I'm on an airfield, I usually aim for one of the rearm pads which will give me a chance to rearm as well as get a safe landing if I become immobilised. I very rarely get a ditch in a GV. :D
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Originally posted by twitchy
funny thing was he landed at least 2k out from anything.
He probably landed at a friendly spawn point.... it is possible, I've often done it myself. :)
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Flossy, my computer fried a couple of weeks ago, so I haven't had time to play since AHII went live. That is good news about the hard surface landings.
As for parking on the re-arm pads, FYI, when I fly, I look at the re-arm pads for easy multiple kills. If you park on the R&R pad and anyone else goes to use it, one bomb equals two kills. Seen it happen many times. That is why I ask others not to park and stay there. Just spells disaster to anyone else that needs to R&R. Use it and move. You don't have to travel across the base. Just don't huddle in one spot.
LTARsqrl
:aok
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Originally posted by MadSquirrel
As for parking on the re-arm pads, FYI, when I fly, I look at the re-arm pads for easy multiple kills.
Yep, I realise that does happen - but most of the time it works out OK for me and I end up landing multiple kills. ;)
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Ive noticed it IS easier to get plane safe landing at v-base now....not likely if ya belly in tho (but if ya land with gas or bullets left, ya aint tryin hard enough)
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Originally posted by bj229r
Ive noticed it IS easier to get plane safe landing at v-base now....not likely if ya belly in tho (but if ya land with gas or bullets left, ya aint tryin hard enough)
If my plane is damaged or nearly out of gas, I check to see if a v-base is closer than an airfield. All you have to do is roll within the field parimeter to get a successful landing. Besides, unless you absolutely need to see your name in the text buffer, a ditch is perfectly adequate result. On big maps, I would deliberately ditch to avoid wasting time transiting.
My regards,
Widewing