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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 15, 1999, 11:58:00 AM: HiTech will we see any arena type moniors anytime soon. I have seen some players that have offended quit a few players online and when asked to cool thier language they just got worse. So kinda think that as the game evolves so should the community and which it needs monitors and a code of conduct. This should be set so the two can evovle together.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Azrael on October 15, 1999, 12:02:00 PM: .squelch

Az
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 15, 1999, 01:07:00 PM: azreal I know about squelch but we shouldnt have to use that all the time. I would like to see this game evovle and be enjoyable to all there are after all kids and women flying in this game. They are who Im thinking of. I spent 5 years in the Army and have seen and heard it all so not much bothers me. I now have 2 step daughters and can see how influnced they are by the stuff they see and hear.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Azrael on October 15, 1999, 02:24:00 PM: I certainly wouldn't use squelch all the time, in fact I didn't intend to use it since I'm used to auto-ignore annoying behaviour of any kind, but sadly this behaviour usually grows if someone pays attention. We have a anonymous environment here - although I do my best to keep up my personal integrity I am not allowed to expect the same behaviour from others. If I am offended in some way I turn away, and squelching is the appropiate tool for that.

But your problem seem to be swear words - and this is like a cultural and social problem. Since I live in germany where swear words aren't considered uncorrect I probably just can't understand your problem.

Az
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Swager on October 15, 1999, 02:40:00 PM: Indian, when do you witness this? I have never seen this happen on AH. I would love to be there when it does. I am a below average pilot, with nothng to show but for the joy of the game.

Last nite a pilot stuck right with me like glue and ended up shooting me down. I radioed, "Damn, XXXXX you must of been pinned to my behind, Nice shooting" I hope "damn" or "hell" is not offensive.

I have never seen anything more in my experience. When it happens again, lets us know where you are. If I'm on, I'll try to come over and make life a bit more miserable than apparently it must already be for these individuals.

Lets have some sportmanship people!! Last nite was my best nite on AH as far as the overall community and I want to keep on having these experiences.

I realized that just winging with someone for awhile (GO Crisis) is a far better experience than any kill.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Brig.Gen.STING-94TH on October 15, 1999, 03:15:00 PM: sportsmanship, what a novel idea???

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Wicked on October 15, 1999, 05:08:00 PM: I agree with the .squelch/ignore command. If it works(haven't tried it yet) at all like Warbirds then the person being squelched will get a message that somebody has done so. If enough people do it then maybe they will get the message.

The main point is that it is YOUR own personal responsibility to decide whether or not you take offense to someone. HTC may have it's rules and guidelines, but they can't be expected to baby-sit and monitor the arena 24/7. Be glad that AH is not like the "Real World" where you don't have any .squelch command.

I don't condone such actions of people who wish to express themselves in the manner you describe. But I don't believe in the Big Brother theory either. HTC has given everybody the personal choice on who and what they wish to listen to. That is a much more powerful tool than any arena monitor could ever be.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: IceNine on October 15, 1999, 05:21:00 PM: Further advancement of squelch might be
".squelch *WORD* xxxx"
which simply filters the message and replaces the string with spaces, x's, or whatever. A hedge against tempers, but not like it'll rock the world.

Just a thought.
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Zanth on October 15, 1999, 05:27:00 PM: surprised at responses to a very reasonably question. The I suppose Aces High should have a parental warning as it is not planned to be suitable for the younger ones?
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Wardog on October 15, 1999, 07:19:00 PM: HT allready said there would be an .ignore command..

Since AH is offering a low flat rate,the arena will have a lot of 8 year old mentalities that are not really wanted..

Seen the Quake dweebs comin when the price was announced..

Other option would be to raise the price to about 50 bucks a month to start..

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: tracer on October 15, 1999, 07:40:00 PM: Quote : "raise the price to about 50 bucks a month to start.." Wardog........you must be out of your mind! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Wicked on October 15, 1999, 07:59:00 PM: Zanth,

Are you a parent? Do you feel you need to be warned about the potential dangers of the Internet? Come on, use some common sense. Seems a bit hypocritical for a parent to be worried about the innocent ears(or eyes in this case) of their children, yet have no problem letting their child play a simulated war game where the object is to kill each other with high powered weapons.

AH may be free now, but it will eventually be pay to play, requiring a credit card or possibly a checking account both of which you have to be 18 to have. So any playing done by a child is done at their parents' consent.
What ever happened to "It's 10 o'clock, do you know where your kids are <browsing>?" Now it, "Hey Mr. Government! What are you doing to make this world perfectly safe for everybody?"

I'm sorry if I am going off the handle a bit and it's not directed at anybody in particular. I am just getting rather fed up with the popular attitude of today and wish people would start taking more personal responsibility when interacting with society.

To date, I have not seen anything from HTC consisting of rules of conduct or any agreements pertaining to anything other than the use of the software itself. Please let me know if they do. I hardly think they have the time or resources to monitor the arena 24 hours a day. But here's a thought; maybe they figured that we could do it ourselves.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Westy on October 15, 1999, 08:28:00 PM: The pitfall of a FREE and OPEN beta is folks popping in and behaving like this.
How can anyone reference what goes on in there today with what may or may not go on
in there com paying time?
Are you folks who advocate paying MORE implying that in the $2.00 per hour 'Brand W' sim there are NO 8 year old mentalities flying?
Give me a break.

--Westy

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 16, 1999, 12:07:00 AM: As I have stated I dont get offended easly I am think down the road when a rules of conduct will probably be implemented. It was not me that was typeing to this guy. This was last saturday night I saw this happen. I would like to keep the game enjoyable to all without have to type squelch all the time.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: RASTER on October 16, 1999, 03:37:00 AM: Perhaps the monitor could run the tower in bad verbal weather but then who would monitor the monitor. Law's to be inforced prejudcially by biased enforcers to give their friends an unequal change to get ahead. Fact is, people can be very excitable when frustrated, regardless of age or the type of credit card they own. However, the required hardware devoted to quality online flight sim play bumps many of the casual flyers out and honestly who needs em in a experience game. Their are other good online sims where they can grease the pig.

RASTER
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: leonid on October 16, 1999, 06:24:00 AM: First of all, it is the community's responsibility to decide if someone needs a dressing down due to unacceptable behavior. The .ignore command will go a long way towards addressing that, since if you can't hear them, they aren't there, since killshooter is on.

And speaking of killshooter, another method of 'punitive action' against offending players is to have HTC deem someone killshooter exempt. Code another line that says something along the following lines,

if (HitObject == Friendly)
HitObject = MyObject;
[b]else if (HitObject == Damned)
break;[/b]

This would effectively make it 'open season' on any real bad offenders. Just a ridiculous idea, actually (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Mark Luper on October 16, 1999, 07:33:00 AM: I can relate to what Indian is saying, and as much a proponent of "curteous" behavior that I am, I would not necessarily want to see 24 hour moitoring either.

The use of "foul" language can be taken to extreme, and on occasion I have sent private messages to the people involved for what I deemed "over the line" use of such and have been grattified that they were able to tone it down a bit. This was their choice and they chose to be , in my opinion, a bit more civil. I thank them for it.

However, I don't think that the occasional slip should require that individual to be thrown out.

Like Indian, I have been in the Army, I work with and have worked as so called "blue collar" workers and most have a penchant for use of the "f" word as an adjetive, verb and noun in every other sentence. I used to do the same. I finally decided I didn't need it. I didn't like the overall impression it made of me as an individual. I still slip, but rarely and never online.

It is a matter of courtesy, in my opinion, just as is any form of comunication. I don't think it's courteous to badger someone who may be ignorant of what keystrokes are required to perform certain functions in the game. I don't think it's curteous to downgrade someone else's flying ability. But this is a competitive game and a certain amount of taunting is to be expected.

I like to see good sportsmanship and a fair and equitable playing field even though in real war that is never the case. The stakes are too high to be curteous in real war. This is a game and we can all get lost in the immersiveness of it and forget for a while reality. It can also be terribly frustrating to get shot down all the time too :-) Ask me, I havn't had a good landed sortie in quite a while. You guys are getting too good :-).

My two cents worth...

MarkAT
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: aircat on October 16, 1999, 06:42:00 PM: to imply that increased funds for a game will weed out the "bad apples" is being elitist. say I have more money then you so you go do something Im not. I was told by (Ahem) someone to get another job. my replay was that I am disabled. his reply was that he knew several disabled people with jobs. I used to work insurance sales for some time. the term "Disabled" is in 2 catagories "partial" and "full". if Partial they can still do a job wether it be something they was trained for or can still do a reasonable amount of thier old job. Full means that they are unable to do any meaningful or gainful work with currrent skills. well I fall into the full catagory until I can pay off old school debts and return to it. so Im classified as Full Temporary Disabled. (no Im not hear to whine just making a case) so you plan on telling me since I cant get work and not already well off I can take a leap but nowhere around "your space"? I seen things that would make people ANYPEOPLE cry, growup and smell the coffee. been through all the walks of life from being more then well off to being litteral gutter trash wondering if I was so much as going to live till tomorrow. my mentality is higher then the average for my age. now cant you be a sport and lay off those who are good people? for now I rest my case. if you have something to say its open forum. but lay off the direct attacks of those that are in a specific social class/income bracket.
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: JoeMud on October 17, 1999, 04:45:00 AM: Well said Wicked,very well said.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Laika on October 18, 1999, 11:14:00 AM: Nice Wicked

Quote
"I am just getting rather fed up with the popular attitude of today and wish people would start taking more personal responsibility when interacting with society."

Hits the nail on the head.

And if things are getting outa hand online take a few screen shots and make a post here with links to the pic's, I'm sure many will jump on the band wagon it there is a real case for concern. I dont see a problem

laika

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 18, 1999, 11:31:00 AM: For what its worth its not all that bad yet but will get worse. I just read on AGW that IEN locked an account of a player for language. We could take the ignore path but look around we ignore enough it gets only worse. I must admit i miss alot of messages that fly past in the game but if I see the same name come up I look to see why everyone is talking to that person. I seen Pyro comment on everybody acting like school kids.

If you must swear in the game use the Cartoon style nobody cares about that to much and we get the point.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: TT on October 18, 1999, 01:20:00 PM: I was taught, as a boy, That one of the most offensive things you can do, Is brag about how much money you make.
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Kangaroo on October 19, 1999, 06:24:00 PM: Well, in my case it wouldn't be bragging (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Wardog on October 19, 1999, 09:39:00 PM: TT, How much you make has absolutely nothing to do with what you are willing to pay for a quality online sim.The community is part of the (Quality package).

Im willing to sell the wife & kids (but keep the Dog) to fly in an enviroment that has a good community.This is no different than having a hobbie.If your very interested in your hobby you will find a way to pay for it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: aircat on October 20, 1999, 12:17:00 AM: its always easier to say that when you make 19 bucks an hour aint it...

I say let the FM and the community already established determen the kind of people that would want to join. not their income or willingness to sell wife and children.
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Westy on October 22, 1999, 09:38:00 AM: Excuse me for resurrecting this thread but last night I made an effort to help maintain a consistant stance on arena decorum by asking a pilot who was repeatedly using the word 'diddly' over channel one to stop.
Oddly the only people who aided my effort
were two people I knew were from Air Warrior
but the people who mocked my attempts were
the Warbirds pilots. Flat rate versus premium pay. <snide chort>
Just an ironic observation I thought I'd pass on in lite of the proponants in this thread who claim paying more equals more
dedication and maturity.

--Westy
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Drum on October 22, 1999, 09:03:00 PM: Roder dodger, Westy. We old Air Warrior guys never swore much, but we sure had a much meaner demeaner when it came to flame wars. :-)

Anyone see the DoKtoR on-line latey? Now there's a bandit who knew how to throw a party (Scenario). heeehe!

Drum rolling over and out!
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 23, 1999, 12:01:00 AM: Funny thing is Warbirds does not tolerate the language they just booted a guy for it. but they come here and look what happens.

Im both former AWIII and WB.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: smash on October 23, 1999, 05:03:00 AM: .ignore - simple enough. Your idea of offensive and mine are different.

And as far as children and the dreaded "evil influence" so often espoused by conservatives....

Most of the garbage I see in the buffer obviously comes from 14 year olds. Your daughters are safer with my language than what they hear in the school hallway on a daily basis.

Just my HO
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Mark Luper on October 23, 1999, 07:02:00 AM: Westy,
I don't know if I was in the arena at the time, but I make it a point to approach the individual in question on a private channel. When something is said on global channel it normaly exacerbates the situation due in part to the reaction of someone having a "finger" pointed at them in public.

Almost all the people I have contacted, one exception, have complied and cooperated in reducing the foul language when approached that way.

I find it hard to beleive you were berated by WarBirds players for trying to acheive some decorum in the arena since it is a sore point that is harped on constantly in WarBirds arenas. Then again I either wasn't there or did not see it.

Often when something like this happens some others may be approaching the individual on private channel or country channel so though you are being supported you just don't see it.

MarkAT

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Downtown on October 23, 1999, 09:04:00 AM: I fly warbirds.

I know that someone was flying, and someone else said something, and someone got offended.

I started making little jokes. Comments like I say something really offensive "Hillary Clinton," "Monica Lewinski," and "Alan Greenspan."

I did this as a joke to lighten the mood.

I am in favor of a good $#!+ cartoon type curse, or the old "Johnny Dangerous" type language "Fargin Bastages"

I work in the Auto Industry and am on a daily basis faced with a verbal assault that would make a nun melt.

I had to make a decision, either be offended, or not be offended.

I CHOOSE not to be offended by peoples language, or use of words.

Being offended by words you may as well be offended by language. I hate you because you speak russian? Not my cup of tea.

Generally speaking I have noticed that people who use language like that are either looking for attention, which he got because of those of you who responded to him, asking him to stop. If he hadn't been looking for attention, he would have stopped when you asked.

Or the individual hasn't the faintest idea that his/her language is offensive. I.E. the grew up hearing that language on a regular basis, its impact on them in nearly minimal. What a good many people consider offensive are slightly more colorful adverbs to them. For these individual it is more difficult for them to recognize that they are offending people, because they simply do not understand that what they are doing is offensive.

There are only three things I know of to do.

1. dotIgnore or dotsquelch the offender.
2. Start making jokes that draw the attention away from the offender.

Either way the offender isn't getting the attention they desire.

3. Have a long discussion with a person to explain that some individuals choose to be offended by certain words they are using, ask them to attempt to refrain from using those words.

And of course there is always the choice not to be offended.

If you are concerned that children are flying in AH and the offending words are appearing in the text buffer, I suggest that you message the children, advise them to .ignore or .squelc Xxxxxxxxx and then do so yourself.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Westy on October 23, 1999, 10:15:00 AM: At the time I was offended because I'd seen very little in the way of profanity being slung around. My way line of thinking is to tolerate none. That way what does slip occurs it is just that, a slip and hopefully not much of it at all occurs.
I'd gather that the last thing HiTech Creations wants to do is garner extra staff to play arena cop. In a different online sim
I had done just that. And to be honest it's a lousy chore. But whan a sim offers Relaxed Realism well....... (not saying the hard core/full real folks don't get out of line but they do it *much* more infrequently)
Since I do not want to, nor can I, control what other people feel is appropriate language on the radio waves when online what I did was tape the ignore/squelch commands on my monitor top.
I can deal with an someone who likes to 'f' that and 'f' this fine. I have a hard time dealing with a lack of support. So instead I'll squelch and let the AT or future staff deal with it.
But it was not that I was berated by other folks. I felt my effort to get a player to change thier language was being made fun of and mocked. A lack of support - let alone a lack of respect of any kind. I mean the word 'diddly' does not lie in a gray area.
Well. Enough from me. Back to flying, testing and enjoying the sim and enough of this baloney.
I'll macro the squelch command if I have to (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

--westy

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: dotsie on October 23, 1999, 03:13:00 PM: I just have to respond. I am the pilot who offended Westy on the night in question, although my brief and *solitary* sentence (repeatedly Westy? You lie im afraid) was neither aimed at him nor meant to offend anybody. It came about as i was about as I was bnzing a bad guy and was just about to smoke him when i pressed auto trim instead of zoom button!...ARRRRRGH!...immediate pull up followed by lonnnnnng black out. :-(

As i remember it took a bit to set up and I was spitting bile at my fat fingeredness. I just had to let it out and so across pulic chat came "diddly!" followed by quick explanation over team chat. Westy then asked me to change my tone. Still feeling a bit stung I responded with "Please dont censor me". I prbably should have just explained but interpersonal skills aint my forte. He said he was offended by my rantings. He may have been right too be but I am staunchly anti censorship and hate others feeling that because the actions of other dont conform to their perspective of right and wrong that they must stop to please that individual. I called him a "nazi" ( A bad call by me...now that was offensive) and then tried to explain that while he found diddly offensive where Im from its quite literally one of the most common words u will hear eg. "Did u see that diddlyin Ireland v Macedonia game?!!..diddly me man..why do i support those shreckin useless gits!" (I really do love them though, even if they are toejam :-> ) This setense would neither be meant as or found offensive thus i have no problem with the word. I tried to explain this but he just insulted me and my home with childish remarks "you obviously live in a gutter". Your unconstrucive closed minded response makes me wonder whether my nazi remark wasn't that far off. In your post you make reference that if the price was increased it would keep out the (in your view) unwanted's. This was not an ironic observation. It was the obnoxious remark of a snob. Sadly I have found its not those with the most money who are more civilised and good. Probably the opposite. I was wrong to curse..I should have realised the internet is not Dublin and I should have thought before opening my big stupid mouth, but you were more wrong to condemn and proceeded to show an unseemly lack of this "maturity" your so proud of. Now can we please let this go and call it mates?

Dotsie
David Bolger
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Minotaur on October 23, 1999, 10:41:00 PM: WOW, this is a hot thread! Lots of emotion.

Censorship, don't need it.

Politeness, do need it.

You can't hurt a soul by typing a word on screen. (Unless it contains the words; Pick up your final check on Monday! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) Any hurt that is inflicted is that individual inflicting it to themselves, REACTING to a word typed on screen.

The "What if my kid sees it" argument does not hold water. Unless that parent does not watch or does not allow TV. Or modern culture music. Or exposure to computer games. Or presence in public or non public places without ear muffling devices. Or never ever ever uses profanity at any time so help me, by gosh. Or many other OR's.

Is AH a game? It just hit me, I'm no longer sure. It can't be it is only Beta.

Kids don't grow up in bubbles, they have heard or seen, or they will hear or see, those "Naughty Words". The kids are not harmed. It is the parent knowing the kids see or hear them, the parent is harmed. More importantly it is the parents negative reaction that effects the child, not the profanity.

For whatever reason, I could really $%%*@#% care less. It is just MORE POLITE not to type profanity on screen. It is just MORE POLITE not to use verbal profanity in public.

Be tolerant of some one slipping with occasional profanity. If you are the slipper, just apologize and change your behavior. (Oh Confusias Say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )

Game wise then, everone has the same amount of fun. One individuals experience is not diminished because of another.

And one more thing, Mitsu should never shoot me down any more! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Mino
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: indian on October 23, 1999, 10:53:00 PM: The slip or occasional is not what this is about it is not about censorship it is about politeness. It take time to type the words and it does not impress anyone. Sooner or later we will have to deal with the Braggers who talk about every dweeb that they ever shot down. But this is still a game and emotions will spill over, it is a game of skill which some have and others do not. The thing is its not if Im offended or not someone else might be it proves nothing to anyone with that kind of language.

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Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: hblair on October 26, 1999, 02:55:00 AM: I just read this thread for the first time, and it always cracks me up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) when someone suggests to someone else to chill out with their language, then that person gets labeled a "censor". That is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, when my buddies and I are on roger wilco in Warbirds our language would peel wallpaper, no words are out of bounds for us, dirty jokes, the whole nine yards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . That is between us guys, and for the record, I too have let words slip over channel 100 in WB's, don't think it was FU*K though.

I can see where a guy would get pissed if some joker keeps saying the word "FU*K" on the open channel. Its like someone backing up to ya in public and farting in your face. It is not illegal but it sure is tasteless! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) LOL

And to suggest that the word FU*K is just a word and shouldn't be offensive, go suggest to your boss that you think you are due a FU*CKING raise. If he becomes upset, explain to him, sir it is JUST a word and therefore shouldn't be offensive. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Ok I've got on my asbestos suit, fire up the flamethrowers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: HiTech "Arena Monitors"
Post by: Wicked on October 26, 1999, 03:49:00 AM: .squelch Topic: HiTech "Arena Monitors"

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The Pale Horses
487th Lil Bastards