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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Brick on October 15, 1999, 09:53:00 PM
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Well, not skunkworks...but the N1K2.
Nice work!
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/n1k2.gif)
Andy
(grabs for cool lookin' Kamikaze headband and Sake) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Brick (edited 10-15-1999).]
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Oh and isn't she beautiful !!!
And before anyone coins the term, I am hereby offically the first "Niki Dweeb".
If you don't believe me, do a search on this BBS and you will see that I was the first one to ask... no make that BEG... Pyro to model the George instead of the Ki-84.
Thanks Pyro (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), *MOL*, Men of Leisure, Goldlandia
AW's: (verm) ACCS, Aerial Crowd Control Services, Cland
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Hey verm... what's she got for BB guns? those 12.7mm? (gasp) 7.7mm? 20mm? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Andy
(Who cares! It's our first PTO plane!)
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nice work be nice to fill with holes.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
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Brick,
I believe (gulp!) that we are looking at four 20mm armament. Where's my La-7!?!?!?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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It a shame that it wasnt Natedog who posted it but Superfly (must have been a X rocker) still looks real nice best detail Iv seen yet. And If I dont get an F4U-4 with cannons soons Ill put Daves insanity suace on the next pizza.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
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Aces High Word6 and Wordpad Doc's available on my web site.
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The N1K2 was armed with x4 wing mounted Type 99-2 20mm Cannon. And I believe (from memory) each gun had 400 rounds of ammunition.
These were the same cannon on the late war Zeke.
Unfortunately these are inferior cannons ballistically (slow rate of fire and low muzzle velocity) when comapared to the German MG151, the English/American Hispano, or even the Japanese Army HO-5 (Ki-84 armament).
However the shells used in this gun, were relatively large, allowing larger amounts of explosive. Which somewhat makes up for the slow rate of fire. Giving the same relative damage over time.
But it will be a plane where you will have to shoot in close and snapshots won't be as effective.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), *MOL*, Men of Leisure, Goldlandia
AW's: (verm) ACCS, Aerial Crowd Control Services, Cland
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4 20,s oooooooowww.
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Nice shot,
N1 is an expert's plane. Compresses quickly, so B&Z work is tricky. Doesn't turn or climb well, so escape from a bad pass is tuff. I'd like to see the 61 or maybe a zeke next.
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hehe Don't get too excited TT (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You are forgetting that the Fw190A8 is going to be introduced at the same time, and it has x4 superior 20mm's + x2 13mm MG's as well.
FYI Using Shaw's Lethality formula +Plus explosive component, and assuming a conservative 50% of explosive energy from cannon shells is applied to an airframe, you get the following Lethality in kilo-Joules from the planes in AH so far.
Me109G10------------------------- 3309/2136/1924/750
(30-x2(20)/20-x2(20)/30/20/)
Fw190A8-------------------------- 2773
Spitfire IX---------------------- 2105/1852
(.50/.303)
N1K2-J--------------------------- 1512
La-5fn--------------------------- 1373
P-51----------------------------- 1322/881
Or if you assume that the x6 .50MG's P-51 as the standard firepower of 1.00 you get the following
Me109G10------------------------- 2.45/1.58/1.42/0.55
(30-x2(20)/20-x2(20)/30/20/)
Fw190A8-------------------------- 2.05
Spitfire IX---------------------- 1.56/1.37
(.50/.303)
N1K2-J--------------------------- 1.14
La-5fn--------------------------- 1.01
P-51----------------------------- 1.00/0.65
(x6MG/x4MG)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), *MOL*, Men of Leisure, Goldlandia
AW's: (verm) ACCS, Aerial Crowd Control Services, Cland
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 10-16-1999).]
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Uh, I am doing the N1k2, which is why I posted it up. Natedog is doing the FW-190, and I'm sure he'll be posting a pic sometime soon as well.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"The Artist Formerly Known As MONKEY"
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sorry Brick,
but there is already one PTO plane... the P51D was placed there towards late war... mostly clean up work of field strafing and rare escort. several was left there and when the next war broke out they pulled the tarps and sent them to the new front in Korea (sorry I cant spell and I know thats wrong) there was even an acount in WWII that a P51D with a refit of only 4 .50s and 400 RPG and camera equipment as well as location device (simple round hoop or halo on top side of plane) shot down 6 Japanese planes. so there is already one... just it wasnt a strictly PTO.
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Great job on the George, but how come both wingtip lighta are red?
d'OH!
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Cheers!
jocko-
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I thought the red tips were markings, but I discovered that they are supposed to be nav lights. I will be changing that.
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"The Artist Formerly Known As MONKEY"
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[This message has been edited by SUPERFLY (edited 10-17-1999).]
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If interested heres a page with about 25 photos of the George as well as other Japanese aircraft,enjoy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
http://j-aircraft.com/walkarou.htm (http://j-aircraft.com/walkarou.htm)
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SUPERFLY... oh man, I'm sorry. (whap!) Can't believe I screwed that one up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Andy
(Who needs to measure twice, then cut once)
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Brazos:
"N1 is an expert's plane. Compresses quickly, so B&Z work is tricky. Doesn't turn or climb well, so escape from a bad pass is tuff."
Where do you get this information? From another video game?
The (real life) combat accounts I've read say that the George could out turn and outclimb anything the US had, and at low levels it was damn fast. There are several stories of Hellcats being absolutely smoked by Georges.
Wingloading (35 lb/ft^2) and powerloading (4.4 lb/hp) are better than anything but an F8F Bearcat. Hellcat, Corsair, Mustang aren't even close.
And the automatic maneuver flaps should allow it to turn better than the clean wingloading suggests.
This is not a plane that P-51D, F4U, or F6F should succeed against in a knife fight.
It's a great good choice as an opponent to the Spit 9, P-51D, La-5FN, Me 109G-10, Fw 190A-8. Not one of these planes will be at a serious disadvantage.
Ki-61 or A6M would be useful only in the hands of an expert against the above competition.
Note: The George has the same Homare engine as the Ki-84, which was notoriously unreliable. There were a lot of breakdowns, and the rated 1990 hp wasn't usually attainable. I've heard a couple of reports that in service these planes weren't that fast.
A better choice might be the Ki-44. It used a more reliable Nakajima Ha-109, and in the field was probably the fastest Japanese figher. It was a better climber than the George, and had great high-speed maneuverability.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-17-1999).]
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funked, brazos is talking about his experience with the N1K2 in Airwarrior. But even then I would disagree with him on most points but the fact that its an experten plane. Because you see a long time ago I was one of the few FR dedicated Niki pilots.
In my opinon your assesment of the George is much more accurate.
Under 10k it is very fast with only the Pony or maybe the Dora being faster (But it accelerates faster, oftening winning tail chases). From 15k-20k its still as fast as F4U-1's and others of that class. But its performance falls off rapidly over 20K.
Its greatest advantage is that it has one of the fastest acceleration rates of the era (at least in AW) which coupled with its manueverability can often lead to blackouts and redouts.
However its high speed handling is poor, similar to the Spit XIV in WB's.
It climbs like a cat with its tail on fire, being only slightly slower than a Spit IX in climb rate.
Instantaneous maneuverability is excellent in the slow to medium speed ranges, and the automatic butterfly flaps are a godsend. However it is not a TnB aircraft in that it tends to bleed E like a stuck pig in a sustained turn. So much more than 480 degrees' and you better be putting the nose down to grab some speed.
Basically its a extremely good E fighter, and should be fought in the vertical like a 109F,P-38, or Yak-3.
Probably the closest comparison in WB's would be the Yak3. Fast, manuverable, and deadly in the vert.
I can't wait to see how Pyro's N1K2 turns out.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), *MOL*, Men of Leisure, Goldlandia
AW's: (verm) ACCS, Aerial Crowd Control Services, Cland
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MmHmmmmmm
Fast? Sure.
Maneuverable? Oh yeah.
Solid punch? You said it baby.
Curly whip sout his Bic lighter
<flick> <flick> <flick> <flick>
Bet it goes up like a Zeke (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Don't think so Curly.
I think this one had pilot armor and self-sealers.
One thing they're not gonna model is the fact that the initial Nik had terrible engine problems. Evidently that was its main problem.
This aircraft was VERY deadly though. If the war had dragged on, it could have had some impact. Wait ... no it wouldn't. I'd take a Bearcat or Tigercat against a Nik anyday.
Just goes to show... you bring a bat, i'll bring a gun ...
Go U.S.!
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Wolverine [wlvrn]
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"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
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Thx Vermillion
Curly - Wolverine is right, the George had armor and self-sealing tanks. Actually I was just reading an account this weekend where some Hellcats shot up a plane they thought was a Zeke, but it wouldn't blow up. They were confused until they figured out it was a George!