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Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:02:27 PM
I was reading a local newspaper today and saw this article, at the bottom, it really surprised me.  So many college age people are scared of the draft.  I think they are a bunch of morons.  Yeah they are scared of going into the military, but our guys and girls in Iraq arent??  Stupid Hippies!!!

Im 17 years old and gonna be a Sr in high school next year, i plan on enlisting in the United States Air Force after i graduate, whether there is a draft or not.  I hope they do bring the draft back, because the Pentagon is reinacting units that havent been activated since WWII.  Nearly 80% of all new recruites are enlisting to pay for college.  To me it seems that the people who cant pay for college are fighting and dieing while the rich sit on their butts and enjoy the free ride in college.

This is just my 2 cents

LInk to article, if it doesnt work let me know!!

http://startribune.com/stories/1557/4844069.html
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: XtrmeJ on June 24, 2004, 08:05:58 PM
I too am trying to get into the airforce. I've been doing research and such with supervisors and what not. Things look good so far. Best of luck to ya bud, maybe ill cya there. :D
Title: Re: Bringing back the draft
Post by: jetb123 on June 24, 2004, 08:09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Falcon64
I was reading a local newspaper today and saw this article, at the bottom, it really surprised me.  So many college age people are scared of the draft.  I think they are a bunch of morons.  Yeah they are scared of going into the military, but our guys and girls in Iraq arent??  Stupid Hippies!!!

Im 17 years old and gonna be a Sr in high school next year, i plan on enlisting in the United States Air Force after i graduate, whether there is a draft or not.  I hope they do bring the draft back, because the Pentagon is reinacting units that havent been activated since WWII.  Nearly 80% of all new recruites are enlisting to pay for college.  To me it seems that the people who cant pay for college are fighting and dieing while the rich sit on their butts and enjoy the free ride in college.

This is just my 2 cents

LInk to article, if it doesnt work let me know!!

http://startribune.com/stories/1557/4844069.html
 Well you do that I aint going nowhere untill I get drafted. Which I dont think will be happanning to soon. I wouldnt like to go to a war that I dont support. It would be intresting if the president was the first one into the battle zone last one out. I bet alot more presidents wouldnt whant to go to war so quickly. Its probaly like a virtual game to them. They send us in alot of us die its not going to hurt him.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:13:49 PM
Jet man, no offense but ur a democrate, and all democrates think that way.  By saying u dnt want to go to a war u dnt support, you dnt care if terrorist blow up NY or SF with a nuclear bomb!! but thats just what i think.  Its america and everyone has the right to their opinion
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: 327thBS on June 24, 2004, 08:14:48 PM
it is  a free ride in college...but u dont have to join the military to go to a great college or even any college...u can get a loan..cant ya..i mean u act like the people who are rich magically became rich... there parents worked hard to get to where they are .. ..i mean yeah there are lucky people who get money from there relatives..We'll thats what i think ! :aok me myself is gonna have to settle for a loan and get a 4yr degree then join the AF! :D
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 24, 2004, 08:22:17 PM
I got 4-F when I was 17 years old (eyes), wish I was able to go in.  I barely lived threw my 20's though, More then likely I would not be here today if I had gone in, because of my nature.  I wish you luck and don't be as stupid as I was when I was your age, you'll live longer.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: jetb123 on June 24, 2004, 08:23:17 PM
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Originally posted by Falcon64
Jet man, no offense but ur a democrate, and all democrates think that way.  By saying u dnt want to go to a war u dnt support, you dnt care if terrorist blow up NY or SF with a nuclear bomb!! but thats just what i think.  Its america and everyone has the right to their opinion
 Is being a democrate supposed to be offensive? To me war doesnt do nothing its just going to cause lots of death and mayhem. Just to say we won a war. These guys are going to never stop. Just cause we go to war. Doesnt mean they are going to get scared. I say you can go to the war kill some guys. And come back I dont think that is such a good deed for your coutry.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Kaze256 on June 24, 2004, 08:24:39 PM
First of all, they would never reinstate the draft.  

Secondly why the hell would I want to fight for something I don't agree with.  Iraq had absolutly nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.  I know people who died in the towers, their families are in flames as to what is being done in the names of the dead.  An imperialistic land grab is not a war on terror.  This is how we got into this mess in the first place.  By waving our dick at the middle east.  

If you honestly think that terrorism is the reason we are in Iraq you need to take off the blindfold and start thinking for yourself.  Wait, you would be great for a military life.  Someone who will act without question and be some generals little .
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Overlag on June 24, 2004, 08:25:43 PM
this is because the oil war will get bigger soon....i never thought the iraq war was to do with oil....(well 2nd case for war)...and America needs more troops to do its conquering ;)

the 52nd state (UK) will follow suit soon ;) :p
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: jetb123 on June 24, 2004, 08:26:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kaze256
First of all, they would never reinstate the draft.  

Secondly why the hell would I want to fight for something I don't agree with.  Iraq had absolutly nothing to do with the 9/11 attack.  I know people who died in the towers, their families are in flames as to what is being done in the names of the dead.  An imperialistic land grab is not a war on terror.  This is how we got into this mess in the first place.  By waving our dick at the middle east.  

If you honestly think that terrorism is the reason we are in Iraq you need to take off the blindfold and start thinking for yourself.  Wait, you would be great for a military life.  Someone who will act without question and be some generals little .
 I totaly agree
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: DipStick on June 24, 2004, 08:26:16 PM
OK skuzzy, move this flamefest to the OC where it belongs... ;)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:26:54 PM
i know war isnt good cuz people die, but i also realize many of us including me and u "play" war!!  im not saying war is bad, because yes people do die, but think if the US didnt go to war for self protection, we might me part of mexico, or Japan, or Germany, who knows
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 24, 2004, 08:28:20 PM
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Originally posted by DipStick
OK skuzzy, move this flamefest to the OC where it belongs... ;)


Yep.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:30:18 PM
how do i move it to the OC?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:31:56 PM
alright guys i never said anything about Iraq, cuz if we get in to this subject HTC will close the post becasue it will get too heated.  All i said is what i think of the draft and wanted ur opinion on it:aok
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Kaze256 on June 24, 2004, 08:34:41 PM
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Yeah they are scared of going into the military, but our guys and girls in Iraq arent?? Stupid Hippies!!!


I-R-A-Q
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: rpm on June 24, 2004, 08:35:10 PM
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Originally posted by Falcon64
Jet man, no offense but ur a democrate, and all democrates think that way.  By saying u dnt want to go to a war u dnt support, you dnt care if terrorist blow up NY or SF with a nuclear bomb!! but thats just what i think.  Its america and everyone has the right to their opinion

FYI Falcon, I enlisted on my 17th Birthday and voted Democrat the 1st chance I had.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:37:27 PM
im not saying being a democrate is bad im just saying that almost all democrates are against the war in Iraq because our president is a Republican, and Kaze i was refering to what was said in the article about college people not wanting to go to Iraq, i just said that i would rather talk about the draft so HTC doesnt lock the post
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 24, 2004, 08:40:04 PM
You steped on a touchy subject Falcon.  their is no ending it until it gets locked.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:41:45 PM
yeah no kidding, now im wishen i hadnt said anything!!!
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 24, 2004, 08:43:47 PM
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Originally posted by Falcon64
yeah no kidding, now im wishen i hadnt said anything!!!


That's why I'm lucky to live as long as I have...lol.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:45:15 PM
yea ur lucky, i got a long long long ways to go
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: VOR on June 24, 2004, 08:48:38 PM
Draft isn't going to happen.

Kaze, if you were to visit Iraq and interact with the people, you might think differently about the terror issue. Perpetuating and living with it are day to day norms. Blindfold or not, you'll hear and smell the truth for yourself.

Fighting for something whether you believe in it or not is called personal sacrifice, which is a core value of the US armed forces. A soldier doesn't pick and choose his fights.

Some of you seem to have a pretty distorted view of military life. This is ok, though, since automoatons and generals little will continue to do the hard work voluntarily so others don't have to do it involuntarily.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Overlag on June 24, 2004, 08:51:42 PM
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Originally posted by VOR
Draft isn't going to happen.



why are you lot so sure of this?

if a govenment wants it, it will get it

remember, its a democraticaly voted DICTATORSHIP.......
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Jayclark on June 24, 2004, 08:52:16 PM
Jet, are you saying you wouldn't fight for your country even though they need you? If they reinstated the draft it would because they really needed some men/women to fight. Even though you don't beleive in the war your still fighting for your country. I'd be the first to say I wouldn't go to the arm forces voulintarly (spelling) Call me chicken or whatever. But yet if my country had a draft I would be there because they needed me. You do know when you turn 18 you have to register with the arms forces anyway right? If you don't you can get fines. Not the same as enlisting. Just so they know who is avaliable just incase of a draft. But if there is a draft (which it won't be) guess your going to Canada ;)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 24, 2004, 08:53:13 PM
all im going to say now is just read the article urself cuz and i mean if it does happen it will happen June of next year right after i graduate thats the only reason its so important to me
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 24, 2004, 08:56:33 PM
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Originally posted by VOR
Draft isn't going to happen.

Kaze, if you were to visit Iraq and interact with the people, you might think differently about the terror issue. Perpetuating and living with it are day to day norms. Blindfold or not, you'll hear and smell the truth for yourself.

Fighting for something whether you believe in it or not is called personal sacrifice, which is a core value of the US armed forces. A soldier doesn't pick and choose his fights.

Some of you seem to have a pretty distorted view of military life. This is ok, though, since automoatons and generals little will continue to do the hard work voluntarily so others don't have to do it involuntarily.


Very well stated.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: anton on June 24, 2004, 09:11:49 PM
Freedom isnt free.
to all the Vets that gave me my freedom, and to those currently securing it.

It is inspiring to me, everytime I see old footage of how America responded to pearl harbor. How even  our citizens who could not serve in the military for whatever reason, worked 12-18 hour shifts in our factories that stopped making cars and the like & started producing planes, ships, tanks, and  supplies to equip our troops with the tools necessary for victory.  

I am 35 now, not real likely I would get drafted if they re-instated it. But if I didnt get drafted, you can bet yer sweet arse i'll be doing everything I can to support our troops.

On the same train of thought, I am disgusted with the way America treated the Vietnam Soldiers who answered the call of duty.  I will not stand for any similar actions when our troops come home from their current duty.


FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Tumor on June 24, 2004, 09:26:31 PM
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Originally posted by Kaze256
 Wait, you would be great for a military life.  Someone who will act without question and be some generals little .


FWIW... I'd like to say I'll proudly continue to serve, and defend your right to be a retard.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Regular on June 24, 2004, 09:35:05 PM
Xjay joining the AF????:confused:

I thought he was all old and brittle lke chitabria.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Sandman on June 24, 2004, 10:10:28 PM
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Originally posted by Falcon64
Jet man, no offense but ur a democrate, and all democrates think that way.  By saying u dnt want to go to a war u dnt support, you dnt care if terrorist blow up NY or SF with a nuclear bomb!! but thats just what i think.  Its america and everyone has the right to their opinion


I remember when I was 17 and I used to know everything too. ;)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Rafe35 on June 24, 2004, 10:28:29 PM
Well.

I was thinkin' that after 2 years College, I probably sign up US Army or US Air Force and hopefully I choose the right one.  I got alot post card or some mail from US Army that they want me so bad and I didn't know what to say, so I sent for more Information(Full time duty) of US Army about week ago and still waiting.  

I can't remember what I did sign something draft papers that I was 14 or 16 years back then and they said something If I didn't send draft papers back, I'll have to pay $50,000 fines or going jail for 2 years?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Sandman on June 24, 2004, 10:30:29 PM
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Originally posted by Rafe35
I can't remember what I did sign something draft papers that I was 14 or 16 years back then and they said something If I didn't send draft papers back, I'll have to pay $50,000 fines or going jail for 2 years?


Did your parents sign it as well?

If you weren't eighteen, you can't enter into that type of contract without parental permission. IIRC, the earliest you can do that is at 17 and you still need parental permission. Tell the army to go piss up a rope.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: DJ111 on June 24, 2004, 10:30:50 PM
Gonna be a Jr. in highschool next year, soon as i graduate i'm enlisting in Marines.

:)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Sandman on June 24, 2004, 10:31:20 PM
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Originally posted by DJ111
Gonna be a Jr. in highschool next year, soon as i graduate i'm enlisting in Marines.

:)


Good luck.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Rafe35 on June 24, 2004, 10:46:39 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
Did your parents sign it as well?

If you weren't eighteen, you can't enter into that type of contract without parental permission. IIRC, the earliest you can do that is at 17 and you still need parental permission. Tell the army to go piss up a rope.

Sandman,

Yes, my parents did sign the papers and sent it to the mail on the next day.  I was confused back then til' I learned about Draft when Sgt(Forgot his name) of US Army came our school and talk about Draft.  

Right now, I am 18 1/2 years old and turn into 19 in July 13.  

Rafe

(BTW, DEEJ, Good Luck if you joined up US Marines :D)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Sandman on June 24, 2004, 10:50:02 PM
I know at least one person that avoided the army even after signing up for delayed entry. The navy is easier... just don't show up.

Here's some info.

http://www.objector.org/girights/delayed-enlistment-program.html


Until you show up and do the whole "support and defend" thing, you aren't in.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Rafe35 on June 24, 2004, 10:58:24 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
I know at least one person that avoided the army even after signing up for delayed entry. The navy is easier... just don't show up.

Here's some info.

http://www.objector.org/girights/delayed-enlistment-program.html


Until you show up and do the whole "support and defend" thing, you aren't in.
Hmmm, I'll look up that info and look intresting thought.  I was going plan to stay US Army for long time til I retired or whatever happened to me and I have no family who stay the military for long time.  

Rafe
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 25, 2004, 12:07:08 AM
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Originally posted by DJ111
Gonna be a Jr. in highschool next year, soon as i graduate i'm enlisting in Marines.

:)


You really should go down to your local veteran's bellybutton and spend some time with those old guys and be VERY sure exactly what you're getting into.........they didn't say "You'll be soooooorrryyyy!"  to fresh meat for nothing
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Jasta on June 25, 2004, 12:07:16 AM
Basic talking points:

1. Iraq war can be about whatever you want it to be. Believe whatever you want: oil, Saddam, WMD, Al Qaeda. We Americans are way too stupid/brainwashed/idealogical/naive to possibly know for sure. Yes, thats WE.

2. The reason kids dont want to enlist in the military is summed up in this statement: "Wars are started by old men and fought by the young." Which, im sorry, has been the way its always been. I personally accept it. But a lot of college kids simply don't think it should be that way and think the government is evil, no matter whos in it.

3. College campuses are notorious breeding grounds for liberalism. War and anything related to it is looked down upon as something that people only do because of greed.

Its very simple... and also very disturbing. My inner curiosity wants Kerry to win, just so I can see what happens. But our country is divided so deeply right now, I dont really think it matters who's the president.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 25, 2004, 12:07:45 AM
The phrase " Young, dumb and full of cum" just popped into my head for some reason.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Raptor on June 25, 2004, 12:20:24 AM
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Originally posted by jetb123
Is being a democrate supposed to be offensive? To me war doesnt do nothing its just going to cause lots of death and mayhem. Just to say we won a war. These guys are going to never stop. Just cause we go to war. Doesnt mean they are going to get scared. I say you can go to the war kill some guys. And come back I dont think that is such a good deed for your coutry.

So... your saying we should not have gone to war with Germany, Japan and Italy? We should have let Hitler treat Jews and everyone else he hated bad? We should have let the Japanese rape and murder civilians in areas they were occupying?

How about Afghanistan in 2001.... think about it, if we didnt do anything about 9/11 attacks the taliban would see that as a sign of weakness. Arent you glad we helped reform Afghanistan, get rid of their training camps... captured many head leaders of the Taliban. Yes there were lives lost... mostly taliban troops though. Imagine each of those taliban troops with bombs strapped to them, each taking out a dozen civilians. I think that killing/capturing him WOULD be a good deed.

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FREEDOM IS NOT FREE
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Fighting to keep your friends and family safe is not "just going to war so we can say we won"

The Iraq subject is a messy one.... But I support it. Lets see, in 1991 i think it was Iraq invaded Kuwait. They used chemical weapons against us. After the war Iraq was not allowed to produce and/or have certain types of weapons. Well Iraq stopped letting UN inspectors come in and look for weapons. Personally I dont like the sound of that. People say they didnt have any weapons in Iraq that they shouldnt have... this must have been a war over oil. But thats not true, Iraq was launching cruise missiles at Kuwait cities... which they were not suppose to have. They had parts to make 'weapons of mass destruction', but they were not assembled. If they had wanted to they could have quickly placed them together.


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My inner curiosity wants Kerry to win, just so I can see what happens.

I heard on memorial day a group of vietnam veterans asked him to leave a memorial sight and he flicked them off
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Jasta on June 25, 2004, 12:22:02 AM
Un-called for schadenfreude... Highly un-called for, whether you are talking about me or the people im talking about.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Jasta on June 25, 2004, 12:24:46 AM
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I heard on memorial day a group of vietnam veterans asked him to leave a memorial sight and he flicked them off [/B]


(Assuming that is true) My inner curiosity changes... now i am curious to see what he looks like when he cries after he loses to Bush  :rofl
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Gunslinger on June 25, 2004, 12:29:52 AM
OK MY .02$


First....

registration with the selective service is MANDITDORY (SP) does not mean you are going to be drafted....every other teenager has to do it....

If you dont and there is no draft worse thing that really could happen is that you will never be eligible for a federal job


Second....


If there is a draft it is not 1969.  we are not losing 1000 GIs a month.

out of over 300,000 that have allready served in this conflict only 800+ have died (god rest their souls )  I think the number of wounded was at a couple thousand.

again it is not 1969 they are not gonna send 18 year old draftees to Iraq without the proper training.  The military does not want  draftees to be sent to a war you dont support to die and end up in a newspaper on the front page only to deterr the war effort.

third...

If you are a young buck and feel compelled to serve your country dont let any of these tards on this board tell you otherwise.  BE AN ADULT and make the descision for yourself.  


I joined the Marines at age 18 and although I wish I went to college instead somtimes I dont regret a minute of it.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 25, 2004, 12:39:31 AM
I dont think the draft will ever be oiled up again.

Even if it is, you have the option NOT to serve your country when called up.  Canada is cold, Mexico is warm.  Do you like to play hockey or go swimming?  Its really up to you.

You have rights given to you in this country - but they do not come without responsibilties.

Serving your country in a time of need is one of those responsibilities - regardless of whether or not you 'believe' in the reason for your service.

Semper Fidelis
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 25, 2004, 12:44:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jasta
Un-called for schadenfreude... Highly un-called for, whether you are talking about me or the people im talking about.


I think he might have been recalling his college fraternity initiation.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Wadke on June 25, 2004, 12:59:11 AM
Being that my family has a history in the Armed Forces dating to World War I...It was sort of a thing to join...I had signed up with a friend to go into the Air Force and go into flight training..but it was not to be because i blew my right shoulder out. If i was physically able to complete the physical i would definately go if drafted but ATM i am unable to. If i was i would go in as a Marine though (family tradition thing)


And to all the other politics in this thread :rolleyes:
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 25, 2004, 01:11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Overlag

the 52nd state (UK) will follow suit soon ;) :p


52nd state??

Mind letting us in the states know which is the 51st?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 25, 2004, 01:19:40 AM
I think the 51 is Mexico, ain't it?......lol.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 25, 2004, 01:23:03 AM
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Originally posted by Xargos
I think the 51 is Mexico, ain't it?......lol.


No but perhaps it should be. That would help to solve some of our oil problems and the border problems in one fell swoop
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 25, 2004, 02:22:15 AM
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Originally posted by Jasta
Un-called for schadenfreude... Highly un-called for, whether you are talking about me or the people im talking about.


I was talking about teenagers heading off to join the army just in time for a war in general rather than aiming my comments at anyone in particular - something which included myself once a upon a time - and the fact that at that age we all forget three things.

1. You are not immortal even if you feel you are.

2. Bad **** can and does happen.

3. Dying is NOT the worst thing that can happen.

Born on the 4th of July should be prescribed viewing in my opinion.

Having said that please feel free to take offence if you so wish...
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: SunTracker on June 25, 2004, 03:42:10 AM
The Airforce has enough people.  Join the Army.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: MrLars on June 25, 2004, 04:06:05 AM
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Originally posted by Tumor
FWIW... I'd like to say I'll proudly continue to serve, and defend your right to be a retard.


Just as those who have done so before you to give you the same right  < S >  ;)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Xargos on June 25, 2004, 06:23:58 AM
There is nothing romantic about war.  Only that inter strength that you will achieve after looking into the face of death and surving.Your eyes will be open to the hearts of the world and you will stand there with confidence.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: StracCop on June 25, 2004, 08:24:58 AM
Just a quick couple of posts.

I'm 43, served with the 82nd Airborne and guess what, I want
to get back in to serve my country during this pivitol period.
Problem is, I can't.  They say I'm a little too vintage
for them now.  Bummer.  So I understand your desire to
help our nation through military service.

As for joining the military now, while the desire
is admirable, I would strongly suggest that you
wait until AFTER THE ELECTION in November.  If Kerry
sneaks in on the backs of misled and misinformed voters
then I would strongly advise AGAINST joining.

I served during the tail end of Jimmy Carter's
administration.  That moron and his idiotic policies
nearly destroyed the military.  At one point the
82nd was the ONLY combat-ready division-size
unit in the entire US Army. I can remember during
our M-60 training that we had only a limited supply
of ammunition to train with.  And when we were
undergoing initial LAW training, guess what, we
got to fire just 1 round!  Thank God Ronald
Reagan was elected after him!  The difference
was notable and dramatic.  We came from being a forgotten
'waste of money' (in the dems view) to an integral
part of our nation's defense.

The democrats haven't understood the military since
World War II (but that Democrat party died a long time
ago).  Today's democrats think the military should be
used to hand out H'ours Dourves at White House dinner
parties or to dispense food to the third world.  To them the
armed forces are a waste of money that could be better
spent on social programs that haven't worked and that,
in fact, have weakend the very fabric of America.

Moreover, they don't
trust the military, hence their propensity to micro-manage
it. They think the armed forces should be used to perform
social engineering (women in combat, gays in the military),
not fighting our enemies.  To them, we should use the military
to 'buy' the love and respect of the world by passing out
food and acting as 'peacekeepers.'  

This attitude is merely
a reflection of their approach to social problems here in the
US.  They spend your money on programs to curry favor
with select voters in the hope that they will like the dems
and vote for them in upcoming elections.  This nonsense
is bad enough for America but such an approach in international
affairs is a recipe for disaster.

Basically, they don't like the military because the armed forces
represent America's strength (folks, the dems think America is
the problem), and they don't want to fund the military because
they would rather pay people to sit home, get pregnant, and buy
a few votes by creating government-sponsored program dependencies.

In summary, the dems are big time bad news for the military.
At best they will marginalize the military and will fail to
appreciate their mission.  Our brave and gallant US warriors
will be placed at the beck and call of the corrupt United Nations,
the new world government the dems delight in subordinating
themselves to. At worst they will micro-manage military
operations to the point of paralysis and get people killed.

The military's mission is simple.  They are sent out to 'kill people
and break things'.  We ask them to risk death, dismemberment,
injury and to leave they're families for long periods of time.  

We ask them to sacrifice everything they have and everything
they will ever have on our behalf.

We send them to confront and destroy those who would destroy
us.  Norman Schwarzkopf said it better than I ever could
when he remarked "once the decision to use force is made,
you don't get points for showing restraint."

The new-era liberal democrats and the self-annointed
elite media just don't get that.  Their ignorance is unfathomable
and dangerous.  They are bad for America.

So please do yourselves a favor.  Wait for the election
to be decided.  Then you can make a better and more
informed decision on whether joining is the way to go.

Hope this helps...

David
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Tumor on June 25, 2004, 09:36:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by MrLars
Just as those who have done so before you to give you the same right  < S >  ;)


Shaddap twinkie... :)

Hey, I kinda like GW as Powdered Toast Man.... :rofl
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Pongo on June 25, 2004, 11:33:00 AM
If bush is reelected there is probably a 50% chance of a draft.  He cant keep extending the National Guard call ups till they retire in Iraq.

StracCop. That long post might make some sense if the war on terror wasnt being fought with Bill Clintons army. They seem to be doing just fine.

Falcon64. What your coutnry needs is infantry. Why dont you sight up for that?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: airguard on June 25, 2004, 11:49:09 AM
Why do you have to pay for college and Universities ?

But its mabye a good idea that you have to pay for it. Then you dont have to deal with the morons that drop out after 6 months "because it is to much hard work :D.

No pay for it in norway and yes we have to draft 1 year in army,airforce or navy (well when I did it was 15 months in navy/airforce)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Toad on June 25, 2004, 12:03:12 PM
Yes, it's pretty much Mr. Clinton's army. Although starting in 2000, military spending increased significantly.

The one that everyone keeps saying is "short of troopers".

From 1990 to about 1998, the active Army ranks were reduced from 770,000 to 495,000. The Army was cut to 10 active combat divisions compared to the 18 it had at the start of Operation Desert Storm in 1991.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Toad on June 25, 2004, 12:05:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by airguard
No pay for it in norway  


TANSTAAFL.

SOMEBODY is paying. Unless maybe the school buildings grew out of the ground, the utilities are free, the teachers work for free and they give away the books.

I suggest it may be your taxpayers.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: airguard on June 25, 2004, 12:55:34 PM
But ofcourse toad :) tax is horrible and really suck me dry. (not income tax) but the other we have in norway.
the drunks and smokers pay our shcools. (and car drivers lol) :D
could it really be better ?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Pongo on June 25, 2004, 01:38:10 PM
I guess we all have our socialist limits. The thought of extending high school to age 22 and calling it college just doesnt sit right with me.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Pongo on June 25, 2004, 01:47:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
Yes, it's pretty much Mr. Clinton's army. Although starting in 2000, military spending increased significantly.

The one that everyone keeps saying is "short of troopers".

From 1990 to about 1998, the active Army ranks were reduced from 770,000 to 495,000. The Army was cut to 10 active combat divisions compared to the 18 it had at the start of Operation Desert Storm in 1991.


Pretty short sited of Clinton since he knew the Neo cons would need the same sized army to wage thier preemptive wars as was needed in the cold war.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: StracCop on June 25, 2004, 02:00:36 PM
Pongo,

You ever get your information from
anywhere but NPR, CNN or 60 Minutes?

You're in the grip of propagandists!

Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Truth!

BTW, the extent of Clinton's 'vision' was never
more than the next election.  Thats the difference
between consummate politicians like your pal
Bill and Statesmen like President George Bush.
Politicians only concern themselves with the
next election while statesmen concern
themselves with the next generation.

Politicians: think and act on their own behalf.
Statemen: think and act on their nation's behalf.

May God Bless George Bush and the United States!
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Toad on June 25, 2004, 02:35:22 PM
Pretty short sighted when you still claim and war plan to maintain the ability to fight two major wars simultaneously.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 25, 2004, 03:00:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by StracCop
Pongo,

You ever get your information from
anywhere but NPR, CNN or 60 Minutes?

You're in the grip of propagandists!

Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Truth!

BTW, the extent of Clinton's 'vision' was never
more than the next election.  Thats the difference
between consummate politicians like your pal
Bill and Statesmen like President George Bush.
Politicians only concern themselves with the
next election while statesmen concern
themselves with the next generation.

Politicians: think and act on their own behalf.
Statemen: think and act on their nation's behalf.

May God Bless George Bush and the United States!


Someone did one too many jumps without a helmet...
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Toad on June 25, 2004, 03:08:33 PM
in his Ratel.  ;)
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Red Tail 444 on June 25, 2004, 03:19:23 PM
Quote
Originally posted by StracCop
President George Bush.... statesmen concern
themselves with the next generation.


I wonder if there will BE a next generation with four more years with him inoffice.

Quote
Originally posted by StracCop

Politicians: think and act on their own behalf.
Statemen: think and act on their nation's behalf.


I thought he was acting on God's behalf, or at least on His orders...
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Tumor on June 25, 2004, 03:20:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Someone did one too many jumps without a helmet...


Truth hurts when your only input is misinformed foreign opinion lol
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Pongo on June 25, 2004, 03:22:34 PM
Straccop. Thanks for your concern. I glad you been fed or concocted a version of reality that makes you comfortable.
I am not so much interested in comfort as honesty.

But to each their own.
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Falcon64 on June 25, 2004, 08:15:47 PM
Pongo,  I would sign-up for infantry, but there is only problem, i was born to fly and thats exactly what i plan on doing, and if i cant fly the plane my-self then i will be behind the pilot and guide the bombs or missiles to the terrorist's butt holes.:aok
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 26, 2004, 01:08:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
in his Ratel.  ;)


One jumps off a Ratel, not in a Ratel - I have a funnny looking knee to prove this...
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: Toad on June 26, 2004, 01:10:43 AM
I had this image of you zooming along in your Ratel, taking the "jumps" at speed and banging your helmetless head on the steel overhead.

That isn't what you were talking about?
Title: Bringing back the draft
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 26, 2004, 01:18:42 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Falcon64
Pongo,  I would sign-up for infantry, but there is only problem, i was born to fly and thats exactly what i plan on doing, and if i cant fly the plane my-self then i will be behind the pilot and guide the bombs or missiles to the terrorist's butt holes.:aok


Maye Im wrong but I dont think its as simple as saying "Im gonna join the airforce and fly"
Dont they haveta test you and decide if they want you flying or even in the air at all for that matter. THEN send you to annapolis or someplace like that?

Hell you could end up just being a "PLO" under "the best Dang Saagent in the whooole dang aieerforce"