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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SMERSH on October 17, 1999, 11:38:00 AM
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In the current build, those acks are incredibly accurate. The only recourse seems to be to go to 25k with a B17 so you're out of the range of acks.
Has anyone developed a system of taking out the acks with a ***fighter*** (either using rockets or bombs), that actually works more often than not? So far, I've had very limited success doing this in the current build.
I've tried dive bombing (I know I'm not good at this yet) it's hard to be precise during the dive spinning all over the place, and throttled back, but still black out, often reach altitude range of ack and get fried.
Rockets seem to miss most of the time regardless of angle... I'm not even sure what the range/trajectory of the rockets are supposed to be, so at what range to fire rockets - even hard to tell what range you are from the ack, no range number given like for other aircraft in the sky.
Now straffing will be a joke, the multiple ack will chew through your airframe many times over before you get a realistic chance of straffing them.
And one more thing, the ack sites are so incredibley small, the only way to know it's an ack site is when they open fire and you see the tracers!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
All ideas/ suggestions (that you've actually successfully tried) are welcome (remember I'm talking about how you use ***fighters*** not bombers to take out the ack).
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Based on my numerous failures it CAN'T BE DONE. I have asked every time online if someone has done it and no one has stepped forward. The acks are far too accurate and have fantastic range as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I have single handely taken over bases.
All you have to do is jump into the nearest phone booth and don your handy Superman costume and your all set. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just be careful ..Jimmy Olsen like to watch when you change.
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Dewey
Baby Harp Seals
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The ack are setup this way to prevent vulching. Bombers can take them out.
A26 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) A26 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) F4U (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Cherokee Indian
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We need some of these! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/profiles/130083_2.jpg)
This is a test installation of 50mm BK 5 gun fitted in a Me 262A-1a. It was test-fired at Lechfeld in 1944. The production designation for this aircraft was the Me 262A-1/U4 (Pulkzerstorer).
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[This message has been edited by weazel (edited 10-17-1999).]
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Good Lord,
Question,
Is it recoiless?
If not how did the airframe take the shock.
If so where did the backblast go.
Wackem
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It looks like it mistakenly crossed production lines over from the aircraft manufacturing plant to the tank manufacturing plant :P
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He he he. Recoil?
Boom... woah! Lost some speed!
Boom... woah! Nearly stalled!
Boom... auuughhhh. [Spin and auger]
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Me410 had the same setup..
Only has 20 rounds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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--wd-- Jagdgeschwader 26 "Schlageter"
"The Abbeville Boys"
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Good Cod awmighty.
<Curly strolls away. Dejected due to sever calibre envy>
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Kinda like today's A10 Warthogs...
Heard stories that you have to up the throttle when you fire that gun to keep the speed up .. it's like having retro-rockets.
Footage of that gun is ... well, scary.
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Wolverine [wlvrn]
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33rd Strike Group
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"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his."
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WLVN Ive seen the A10 shoot and heard pilots say it falls if shot to long.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
Cherokee Indian
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Where you can find the Key Commands in files for Word6 Wordpad and text mode.
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I have killed ack straffing.
I trip, 1 death, one ack retired.
Approached from angle so that only 1 would lite up as I approached,, straffed it to death, and the other two got me..
never tried again.. (some lessons I learn FAST!!!)
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GreyBeard
Flight Commander, Aces High
Skeleton Crew
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This gun was meant to be fired at bombers, not ground targets.
I dunno if that Me 262 ever made it to operational status but I know that the Me 410 did carry the 50mm cannon in combat. From what I read the Me 410 had a bomb bay, which could be used for several purposes other than carrying eggs. One purpose was to house this huge gun. The plan was for the 410 pilot to setup shots well outta range of the bomber's defensive gunners and lob 50mm shells into the forts. The only problem was that the Me 410 had to fly straight and level to set up the shot. By the time it was used in combat most buffs were escorted by Ponies and Jugs which found 50mm equipped Me 410 fairly easy game, especially if they didn t maneuver.
In a Me 262 however the design might have been feasible. The advantage of the 50mm cannon was not so much firepower (4x30mm will kill a bomber very quickly) but its extended range.
Very nice gun, really (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 10-18-1999).]
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Didnt the Mosquito have a variant with a 57mm cannon in the nose for anti shipping?
Pretty mean gun as I recal
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Yeah I remember that version of the mossie from Aces over Europe. I guess it really existed cause the designers at dynamix were failry accurate in their research.
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
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My squad-mate jarbo has become quite proficient at JABO attacks on Ack. Here's his method (75% success rate for destroying the ack, and better than that for surviving the attack):
Approach the field at about 10,500 feet AGL. Roll inverted as you pass over the base perimeter. The ack will begin shooting at you, but is ineffective at that altitude. Spotting the ack is easy, then. Chop throttle and pull into a near vertical dive. Quickly trim for angle, then use slight control corrections to line up the target dead in your sights. Release weapon. Unfortunately, they haven't fixed the dual-bomb drop bug, so you can only take one ack per sortie. The lower you go before dropping, the higher the risk but better the result. His prefered drop altitude is...well, got to let you figure some of it out for yourselves, don't I (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Of course, our number-1 buff driver, eskimo, has a near 100% success rate taking out ack with his Fort, provided the rest of us keep the fighters at bay (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). With him in his Fort, and three of four Buccaneers doing SEAD on the enemy (read as "vulch" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), we're nearly unstoppable. Cooperative tactics are definitely rewarded in this Sim.
Rojo (a.k.a. Sabre), out!
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O.K...here's some info on the 50 mm air to air gun:
The BK-5 was an adaptation of a tank gun and was intended primarily for use
against Allied heavy bombers. Its magazine held 22 rounds and the gun had a
rate of fire of 45 rounds per minute. BK-5 cannon were installed in some Me
410 twin-engine interceptors and experimentally in the Me 262 fighter, but the
war ended before testing with the latter aircraft could be completed. Only
about 300 of the guns were produced and combat usage was limited. When
Reich Marshal Hermann Goering was captured and questioned on May 10,
1945, he mentioned the BK-5 experiments translated as follows:
"You might find around Germany some jet airplanes equipped with anti-tank
guns. Don't blame me for such monstrostities. This was done on the explicit
orders of the Fuehrer. Hitler knew nothing about the air. He may have known
about the Army or Navy, but absolutely nothing about the air. He even
considered the Me-262 to be a bomber and he insisted it should be called a
bomber."
SPECIFICATIONS
Weight: 135 lbs.
Muzzle velocity: 1,600 ft./sec.
Gun length overall: 45 in.
Barrel length: 23 in.
Maximum rate of fire: 450 rounds/min.
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.jpg)
Source:
USAF Museum Web-Site
Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"
[This message has been edited by Sascha JG 77 (edited 10-21-1999).]
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Norden bombsight should be finished Soon (TM). HT and PYRO said they were working hard on it last week when I interviewed them. This should make the buffers' life a lot easier.
Clearly the ballistics on the rockets are sorta porked. I believe there is a thread on this in the bug reporting forum. They seem to shoot off approximately level with the ground no matter what your dive angle.
BDA and crater graphics should receive some tweaking with the next update along with other terrain issues, but that is pure speculation on my part.
And, judging from the Bishop activity over Rook airfield F7 last night, the ack doesn't seem to be quite as effective a Vulcher repellant as thought. :0
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-cman-
The Dweebs of Death
"Death before dishonor,
often just moments
before."
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Dive bombing works... I've taken out acks on almost every sortie where that was my goal... and survived. It helps to take the 51 with 2 1ks. No luck with rockets - at least so far.