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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Kev367th on June 27, 2004, 02:01:01 AM
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Need panel line details for this
Searched all over but can't find anything.
Got the basic lines/rivets laid down but not enough detail
Tiffy 198 Sqn Aug 1944
(http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/tiffy3.jpg)
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Nice skin Kev! WTG. :)
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Thanks XJ
Someone must have a panel line ref SOMEWHERE?
Got Tiffys ready to roll, but not until panel lines are completed
(http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/tiffy5.jpg)
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Looks nice :D
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Looks nice :D
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Looks nice :D
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we heard ya the first time:p
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holy shiettt.. didn't notice I posted three times... sorry :D
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Ha, yer a TriTard.
:p
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Kev
Is the white nosed Tiffy a training aircraft?
I'll see if I have some panel lines for the Typhoon.
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White nosed typhoon should be only seen on mk1b car door version.
It was a try in 1942 before the identification strip (not no be confused with the invasion strip put in 1944).
I can post some pannel lines tonight but due to assimetric mapping of the sides of the fuselage i gave up my typhoon skin some time ago ...
I'll perhaps kick my lazy but to end the pulverizer IV skin :p
For the version we have the spinner should be black the sky version was at the very end of WWII if i'm not mistaken :)
for 4 bladed aircrafts, I've not seen any with a sky spinner ... yet :)
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Yup your right straffo, but as we only have a Typhoon listed and the only difference really is the panel layout for the car door version it shouldn't be a problem.
White nose was an attempt to distinguish them from FW190s, along with lower ID stripes (not D-Day) stripes.
The spinner isn't sky, its white. Seen references with sky spinners as early as 1943. But have also seen black, red, yellow and in one case a blue spinner.
Would welcome your panel lines though staffo or replicant , can't seem to find any decent ref material on the web.
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My scanner at home is broke I'll post some tomorrow.
I've 2 (and sadly only 2) different sources for panel lines :
squadron signal : Typhoon/Tempest in action n°102
Osprey : Typhoon and Tempest aces of WW2.
And this 2 sources have errors when comparing to war picture ...
PLUS THIS LAZY FURBALL NEVAR POSTED ME THE PICT. HE PROMISED TO DO !
Ring him Nexx please :)
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TY, may be able to get em finished after all!
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Kev, if you still need panel lines / rivet loacations let me know -
Set up an email link and ill send them to you. They are in .tiff format.
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Kev, if you still need panel lines / rivet loacations let me know -
Set up an email link and ill send them to you. They are in .tiff format.
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Kev, if you still need panel lines / rivet loacations let me know -
Set up an email link and ill send them to you. They are in .tiff format.
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Kev, if you still need panel lines / rivet loacations let me know -
Set up an email link and ill send them to you. They are in .tiff format.
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was big typhoon pictures here :)
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Waffle your a lifesaver. TY very much.
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i take it you have them and i can pull these?
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Yup thanks. But I think I hate you lol. How many fuggin rivets!!!!!
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if you're using photshop - brush dynamics - 1point hard pencil - set spacing to around 450%.
Can draw rivets like you would draw lines.
knock it out in about 1/2 hour
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yepp,
one mouse click for the first rivet then press shift and place the last rivet for that particular line.
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Don't be a wuss. Show us you care about quality and place them all individually by hand. A model made with love is a model... umm... made with love... I guess.
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As I use PSP 8.1 ends up as a lot of copy and pasting, lol.
Got the upper wing complete, fuselage, under wing, and tailplane to go.
Think I got pasters cramp lol.
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can you define a brush shape?
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I use the draw tool for rivets in PSP.
You can set up a line that is a row of dots. The drop down box in the "draw" tool window has a selection of different lines in it. You can create a new type of line by clicking on the "line style: custom" button. You can alter rivet size, spacing etc.
By creating two layers of rivet lines, one vertical, one horizontal you can edit them easier.
For raised rivets I first create all the rivets in black. Then I copy these, change the copied rivets to white and paste them offset diagonally one pixel back over the black. These are then merged with the black with the "effects/inner bevel" tool (thanks, whoever posted that tip). Then you just fade the rivet layers to taste.
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Originally posted by Greebo
For raised rivets I first create all the rivets in black. Then I copy these, change the copied rivets to white and paste them offset diagonally one pixel back over the black. These are then merged with the black with the "effects/inner bevel" tool (thanks, whoever posted that tip). Then you just fade the rivet layers to taste.
How are you moving the second layer diagonally one pixel?
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hope this helps..
when your done post a multi layer panel thing on skin dept.
have fun (http:////www2.freepichosting.com/Images/421528297/0.jpg)
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
How are you moving the second layer diagonally one pixel?
With the mouse basically.
In more detail, use the box tool to select all the black rivets, then ctrl C to copy them. Ctrl V creates a new image with the rivets in. Use the colour change tool to turn the rivets white. Then copy the white rivets and click back onto the skin image. Ctrl E pastes the white rivets as a new selection into the skin.
Now carefully place the cursor over one of the rivets. You can then drag the white rivet selection wherever you like. Get the white rivets exactly over the black ones to start with then move them one pixel up or down and one pixel left or right.
You need to consistent with the direction light is supposed to be coming from. I have the fuselage lit from above and in front for example.
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The only prob is the underside, as it mirrored. So the white rivets end up opposite.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
The only prob is the underside, as it mirrored. So the white rivets end up opposite.
PSP has a couple of useful tools for this. Image/flip will flip whatever is selected from top to bottom while image/mirror will swap the selection from left to right. So you can create a copy of the left fuselage panel rivets, mirror it, then paste it over the right panel.
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Understood, but all the skins I have worked on up to now there is only 1 lower wing. Therefore no matter which side the white rivets are they are mirrored on the opposite side.
Reading it myself don't know if it makes sense lol.
If on bmp you had white/black, one lower wing would be white/black, other is mirror black/white.
Anyway thanks to help from both who gave me panel line drawings, I have submitted this one.
245 Sdn 1944 - Flown by Sdn Ldr Jack Collins
Spinner was a pain, seen one drawing as a sky spinner with blue spiral, but all pics show dark single color. Checking on 245 sqn history traditionally it was RAF Dull Roundel Red, so thats what I used.
(http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot102.jpg)
and this one -
193 sdn "Northern Star" 1943
(http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/NortherStar.jpg)
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Understood, but all the skins I have worked on up to now there is only 1 lower wing. Therefore no matter which side the white rivets are they are mirrored on the opposite side.
Reading it myself don't know if it makes sense lol.
If on bmp you had white/black, one lower wing would be white/black, other is mirror black/white.
OK you can do still do this, its just a sequencing thing. What you need to do is create one wing panel's rivets in black. Copy these mirrored to the other wing. Then create white versions of each panel's rivets and paste them on top of the black rivets, offset correctly for light.
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Understood Greebo, but I think your missing the point.
On skins where there is only 1 lower wing, no matter how you do the rivets the light will never appear to come from the same side. The other lower wing which is not part of the skin is mirrored from the lower one that is part of the skin.