Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on June 27, 2004, 01:33:04 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/206424p-178119c.html
Brave woman. She deserves better from her school.
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Have to agree with ya, very heavy handed of the school administration. Maybe the ACLU will take this one?
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On the bright side, she's brought her school under scrutiny. Coming from the valedictorian, people will be more than inclined to take her complaints seriously, and she'll most likely have her diploma in short order.
I wonder what the kid who graduated last in the class thinks of the place?
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While sometimes I think people occasionally abuse the right of free speech, in this case, she was honest and said what she felt.
As far as the diploma, they have no right withholding it. She more than met the requirements to graduate and earned the diploma. She broke no laws, harmed noone, and owes them nothing.
I am sure a lawyer can get this cleared up soon enough.
While it's easy to applaud her honesty, the reality she will have to learn is that there is a time and place for everything, and brutal honesty at the wrong time will not further her career. She needs to learn timing and context.
dago
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This is obviously a bogus story. The only way speech is prohibited at a graduation ceremony is if the speech included some reference to God. The NEA doesn't allow otherwise.;)
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Originally posted by Dago
While it's easy to applaud her honesty, the reality she will have to learn is that there is a time and place for everything, and brutal honesty at the wrong time will not further her career. She needs to learn timing and context.
dago [/B]
yup.
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Sacrifice one for the benefit of many.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This is obviously a bogus story. The only way speech is prohibited at a graduation ceremony is if the speech included some reference to God. The NEA doesn't allow otherwise.;)
Not so I'm sorry to say>>>>the Teachers Association routinely "squelches" whatever isnt good for the teachers and their "cause" which is the increase in their pay and benifits packages, NOT the betterment of the student population
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Denied her diploma? Can they do that? Just for what she said, seems odd to me.
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The squeeky wheel gets the grease. Hopefully this will bring about change for the school. They can not withhold her diploma, they are just showing everyone what the students have been living with. I hate low level management with a god complex that does lousy work.
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I dont see how they can deny her a deploma if she met the credit requirments. Its a state school....they are governed by rules just like the students. They cant just refuse a deploma. I know guys that barely got their credits and they got deplomas....hell the school was happy to be getting rid of them.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I dont see how they can deny her a deploma if she met the credit requirments. Its a state school....they are governed by rules just like the students. They cant just refuse a deploma. I know guys that barely got their credits and they got deplomas....hell the school was happy to be getting rid of them.
Yep I'm wondering the same. Sue them or something. :D
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WTG for the school! This kind of dangerous hate speech must be kept under check....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
WTG for the school! This kind of dangerous hate speech must be kept under check....
School is Hitler? :D
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Reminded me of a Charlton Heston speech back in 99....Wonder if anyone remembers
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/16/93619 (http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/16/93619)
We should all be brave enough to stand up for ourselves
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Originally posted by dvlspwn
Not so I'm sorry to say>>>>the Teachers Association routinely "squelches" whatever isnt good for the teachers and their "cause" which is the increase in their pay and benifits packages, NOT the betterment of the student population
And do you have some proof to back this up?
My father taught for 30 years and just retired. I watched the crap he went through both at the school and in the local paper from attitudes like this. Even after that amount of time the paycheck he got wasnt anything higher then a middle class income. I love people who rail on teachers like they're being paid millions. Starting pay is crap in Massachusetts, and most schools are forcing veterns into retirement so they can replace them with cheaper rookies outta college.
The associaton prolly had jack to do with this girls diploma. Most likely it was a knee jerk reaction from an adminstrator. I should know; i was suspended my junior year for writing a scathing email from home to friends about a new teacher i had and after the aclu showed up they had to remove the suspensiion from my record.
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Originally posted by Dago
She needs to learn timing and context.
Oh I think she understands timing and context perfectly.
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"they are just showing everyone what the students have been living with."
great observation.
They proved her point for her if anyone had any doubts.
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The Principal of the school should be fired.
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they witheld her diploma?
HO HO. I think she just got herself a 'scholarship' up to her PHD with the money she can (and i think she should) sue out of the school.
And I agree, ,she DID understand the concept of timing very well. What she did may very well play a big role towards fixing the problems in her school.
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The orgainzed crime family that is the Teachers Union dosn't like it's laundry out in the open.
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Imagine that!! in the people's republic of new york also!! maybe she'll wisen up and become a conservative.
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Originally posted by storch
Imagine that!! in the people's republic of new york also!! maybe she'll wisen up and become a conservative.
As the Valedictorian she no doubt understands the value of hard work and appreciates the opportunities available to those who apply themselves. She probably is a conservative.
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WTG Lady!
GRUN... no hitler pictures this time? Dissapointing...
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Whole story sounds fishy to me.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Whole story sounds fishy to me.
Really? How so?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
WTG Lady!
GRUN... no hitler pictures this time? Dissapointing...
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't would have gone well with your response above. And I'm used to you posting pictures of hitler with most subjects now...
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I could understand your skepticism MT if it was the New York Times that reported this story but it was the New York Daily News.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Whole story sounds fishy to me.
I would agree, number 1 she may be the valedictorian but look at the field for a measure of the competition. secondly she's from the people's republic of new york a bastion of liberalism these people find no fault with each other not any that would be aired publically. not a true story I'm sure.
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why do you want a hitler picture?
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She's going to Smith - oh gawd.
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The people in this story probably aren't conservatives.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/206945p-178507c.html
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Being gay I mean, not liberal. Aw what the hell, probably don't have a choice in being either. ;)
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Originally posted by moose
And do you have some proof to back this up?
My father taught for 30 years and just retired. I watched the crap he went through both at the school and in the local paper from attitudes like this. Even after that amount of time the paycheck he got wasnt anything higher then a middle class income. I love people who rail on teachers like they're being paid millions. Starting pay is crap in Massachusetts, and most schools are forcing veterns into retirement so they can replace them with cheaper rookies outta college.
The associaton prolly had jack to do with this girls diploma. Most likely it was a knee jerk reaction from an adminstrator. I should know; i was suspended my junior year for writing a scathing email from home to friends about a new teacher i had and after the aclu showed up they had to remove the suspensiion from my record.
Actually I do, having been an educator myself at the college level and having dealt with the Massachusetts Teachers Association on numerous occasions.
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still.... they get paid pretty darn good for part time help.
lazs