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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mugzeee on June 27, 2004, 02:55:05 PM
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Why?
In Ah1 we had an icon distance counter that was in increments of 100. (900-800-700, ect) With the release we had the New icon counter in increments of 200 (1000-800-600 ect.)
It was reported by many that this created a problem of determining wether the icon was closing or seperating.
HTC decided the solution was to add + or - to the left of the icon that will indicate seperation or closure.
Question is why?
Obviously they heard the cries of the players and decided to make a change. This would idicate that HTC agrees that a change was needed. However...instead of using the old icon counter system from AH1 they decided that they would creat a New "New icon counter"
Why not use the one we got used to? With so many things new in AH2......does everything have to be new? Cant we please have our sucurity blanket while going out into the new world? :D
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why not
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I don't see what the problem is. I can tell by the size of the plane(below 1.0k). I really don't even pay attention to the counters that much unless checking my 6. It might of made more sense instead of adding the negative and positive sign. But then the people who like the new icons will complain. I think they are trying to find a happy medium.
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Problem? Who said there was actually a problem with the Icons? Its simply the principle.. They made a change indicating that a change is acceptable.. But apparently are refusing to use anything old. Even when the community asked them to. I guess it isnt possible or maybe its too difficult to use the old icon system.
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If there's no problem, then why change it again? Waste of time and effort, don't you think?
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The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.
AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).
What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.
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What he said ^
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What Cavalear and Wotan said.
Most of us who flew the Beta knew this was coming,
I've seen more whines and moans posted on this BBS then heard on a Saturday Night at the local Cat House.
Get used to it....its' the way of the AH world. Game improved a lot imho. I like it better...most do.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Problem? Who said there was actually a problem with the Icons? Its simply the principle.. They made a change indicating that a change is acceptable.. But apparently are refusing to use anything old. Even when the community asked them to. I guess it isnt possible or maybe its too difficult to use the old icon system.
This is the way I understood it...
The old distance indicator was precise and gave away the "E" status of the object rather easily and at a glance. In real life we only had our eyes to measure (well... guess) the E of the opponent.
The new distance indicator was intentionally made "rough" so at least it was not too easy to measure this E (unless of course the opponent is flying at Mach 3)
However, that made things difficult in a chase as you had to chase the your opponent quite a bit before you can tell you were closing in or not.
As I understood it, the "+ or -" thing is not exactly what the person suggested it to work. There will be more refinements...
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Originally posted by Hajo
What Cavalear and Wotan said.
Most of us who flew the Beta knew this was coming,
I've seen more whines and moans posted on this BBS then heard on a Saturday Night at the local Cat House.
Get used to it....its' the way of the AH world. Game improved a lot imho. I like it better...most do.
As for whine? as you said get used to it. Its the Bulk of the BBS.
As for the subject matter of this thread...let me spell it out.
The simple fact that HTC is unwilling to use the old system but is willing to make a change that essentially does the same thing seems telling to me. In that they are indeed as stubborn as the rest of us. OK? OK. Its really becoming as irritating to me as yall think i am to you. Yes i am very much on my way to cancellation as many others are contemplating. 5 more at last count that i personally know. Its just simply the principle. The fact that i am even posting on the matter is telling that i want it to work out. But i am about as far as i am willing to bend. lost 3 squad members so far. And not loving AH2. Sorry...but its just the way i feel.
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Originally posted by Wotan
The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.
AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).
What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.
I didnt see you much in the earlier betas either. As i remember...you left AH for quite a while.
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I was there every day, you just dont what you are talking about. My old nik couldn't be restored until the AH1 data base was transferred to AH2.
At that time I picked up my old nic and reverted back to my orig bbs nic so that my bbs name would match my game name.
You didnt see me because you were rarely there. :p
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I noticed the + and - indicators are not always accurate. I have had planes closing from 800 to 600 to 400 and no - ever showed up.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
The simple fact that HTC is unwilling to use the old system but is willing to make a change that essentially does the same thing seems telling to me.
But Mugzeee, it does not do the same thing and it certainly is not intended to same thing.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I noticed the + and - indicators are not always accurate. I have had planes closing from 800 to 600 to 400 and no - ever showed up.
Cuz, the rate of difference must be over 10 yards a second before the signs appear... :) Maybe! :D
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Originally posted by Wotan
I was there every day, you just dont what you are talking about. My old nik couldn't be restored until the AH1 data base was transferred to AH2.
At that time I picked up my old nic and reverted back to my orig bbs nic so that my bbs name would match my game name.
You didnt see me because you were rarely there. :p
I suppose that explains you 3 month on 3 month off as far as Posting or replying to the bbs?
I think you were far more disconected from the game than your willing to admit. Do a serch over the last 2 months...and you will see the Icon issue has been much more talked about than you know. The old "Nik" swithcaroo thing eh? :rofl
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
But Mugzeee, it does not do the same thing and it certainly is not intended to same thing.
Close enough i think. the + and - have made the closure/seperation rate essentially the same feel for me.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
Cuz, the rate of difference must be over 10 yards a second before the signs appear... :) Maybe! :D
Is that a question or a statement?
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So I haven't posted in how long?
Lets put it this way, I have more posts in this particular forum in last few months then you probrably have in total.
Here again you dont what you talking about.
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Put it back to original beta specs and let's just try and grow alittle bit.
Think of it as an adventure.
You know mugs you can reply to everyones comment in one post. Just gotta work the quote thingy, try it.
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I agree wit hwhat Wotan, Cav and Hajo, no whines to be heard untill AH1 was dead, now all the whines come from people who never or rarely was in the Beta and are unable to adjust for different reason. Wotan was in the Beta quite alot, he didn't fly under his own nic name though and he didn't tell many about his new name.
They are right...
Personally I think the +/- are a step back again, they were quite good as they were, 200 yard incremental nothing to tell wether they were getting closer or not expcept the plane size.
One of the first times I've seen such few whines and people get their will through.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Put it back to original beta specs and let's just try and grow alittle bit.
Think of it as an adventure.
You know mugs you can reply to everyones comment in one post. Just gotta work the quote thingy, try it.
Hate it. lol
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Is that a question or a statement?
more of what I observed... this is done again intentionally I think, microwarps (especially those that I observed in AirWarrior) will influence the changes to + and - rather rapidly and it would be flickering on your monitor if it was done really exact. Perhaps it is 50 yards a sec... :D
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I find all the Changes that have been made to FM and Gunnery to be good ones. They have taken alot of the Gameness out of the game and made it much more realistic. 1K kills were ridiculous and being able to judge closure down to the MPH was also ridiculous. I think the + and - should be removed as it is a step back to the old Counter from AH1
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Close enough i think. the + and - have made the closure/seperation rate essentially the same feel for me.
As I said this is another attempt. There will be refinements made. It is an attempt to simulate what you see with your naked eye in 3D on a 2D monitor without giving too much detail which makes it too accurate (in RL, there was a bit of guessing) or too little which makes the game unplayable. This is an attempt to refine and adjust all the components.
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Originally posted by Wotan
So I haven't posted in how long?
Lets put it this way, I have more posts in this particular forum in last few months then you probrably have in total.
Here again you dont what you talking about.
Well lets look at the record.
You posted a reply to AKcurly thread on 02-03-04
This is around the time beta 13 was running.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69234&referrerid=7566
Then again on 02-24-04
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=43808&referrerid=7566
Then you had a little vacation from the BBS. about 2 months between beta 13 and beta 32 or 33 thats like 17 betas.
Your next post was on 05-18-04. This was around when beta 33 was running.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=70815&referrerid=7566
None of these threads were related to the beta. Just seems weird that you claim to be up to date as to what the community wants or has asked for. While you been kinda outa the picture for 17 betas. Oh wait...you just decided not to be as chatty during those periods. :rolleyes:
But you with the rest of us have a very active BBS personality in the 5th and 6th month of this year.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
As I said this is another attempt. There will be refinements made. It is an attempt to simulate what you see with your naked eye in 3D on a 2D monitor without giving too much detail which makes it too accurate (in RL, there was a bit of guessing) or too little which makes the game unplayable. This is an attempt to refine and adjust all the components.
Oh ok.
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no whines to be heard untill AH1 was dead,
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!
WRONG
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Oh ok.
BTW, now that we got that down... This attempt might be here to stay, especially now that it achieves what the old system was meant to do. Why would HTC spend the effort to go back to an old system when the new one does what it is supposed to do. :D
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
BTW, now that we got that down... This attempt might be here to stay, especially now that it achieves what the old system was meant to do. Why would HTC spend the effort to go back to an old system when the new one does what it is supposed to do. :D
I agree and if this is true..why was there a change from AH1 to AH2 icon system? As for time and effort?
Originally posted by hitech
Twitchy: The range icon took about 2 mins to implement, It just happen to be included in a patch. The patch was only for bug fixes, have you looked at the readme's.
In fact have you installed Patch 4. Notice It was released on a weekend? And if you expect AH to play nicly with popups. I don't belive you will ever be happy.
HiTech
Refere to link
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=121789&referrerid=7566
Originally posted by Steve
Originally posted by Wilbus
no whines to be heard untill AH1 was dead, now all the whines come from people who never or rarely was in the Beta and are unable to adjust for different reason.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!
WRONG [/B]
Is what i was thinking Steve. But wasnt going to bother saying it.
Originally posted by Wilbus
Wotan was in the Beta quite alot, he didn't fly under his own nic name though and he didn't tell many about his new name.
I have no further comments for guys who cant be who they are. The ol switch-o change-o name-o. Be yourself for all to see all the time.Originally posted by nopoop
You know mugs you can reply to everyones comment in one post. Just gotta work the quote thingy, try it.
Good nuff for ya Poop? :D
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Folks knew who I was after all I was CM ffor the kurland event...
Folks knew who I posted under for the last 2 years until I reverted back to my wotan nic on the bbs.
If he could read he would understand just what this means:
at that time I picked up my old nic and reverted back to my orig bbs nic so that my bbs name would match my game name.
Just like everything else he posts about he pretends to know whats what but just makes it up as he goes.
17 betas? Those are tours not betas ya dolt...
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Mugzee.....if you were here for the Beta of AHI you would realize this is far from the finished product.
HT,Pyro and the group were online every day, flying and fielding requests and questions.
Be patient.....it will get the Maestros Brush, and be very very good.
Hard to please everyone.
And most of us that are responding forgot about the MA as soon as the Beta Version became a viable flight sim. I would guess we started flyng the Beta version full time at least a month before the demise of AHI, and didn't return to the MA at that time.
During that month, because we spent so much time in the Beta arena our whines and suggestions were made known :)
Thus...you now have AHII....our input was heard, I'm sure yours will be heard also!
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See if he can figure this out...
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Why?
In Ah1 we had an icon distance counter that was in increments of 100. (900-800-700, ect) With the release we had the New icon counter in increments of 200 (1000-800-600 ect.)
It was reported by many that this created a problem of determining wether the icon was closing or seperating.
HTC decided the solution was to add + or - to the left of the icon that will indicate seperation or closure.
Question is why?
Obviously they heard the cries of the players and decided to make a change. This would idicate that HTC agrees that a change was needed. However...instead of using the old icon counter system from AH1 they decided that they would creat a New "New icon counter"
Why not use the one we got used to? With so many things new in AH2......does everything have to be new? Cant we please have our sucurity blanket while going out into the new world? :D
Im very impressed MugZ. I agree 110% with everything you've just said.
I have basicly quite the game. I haven't played for almost 3 weeks now. I logged in for about 5 minutes the other day and hated every second I was on line. There are just too many of these 'new' things that anoy the crap out of me its just not worth playing. I absolutely HATE the new icons. Why HiTech went with this is beyond me. It is the worst change I have seen this game under go. I really dont care what the rest of you think, I HATE them. If you want realism, go play MS flight sim. This was a GREAT game to play. I enjoyed it for 2 years. I played non stop, with no thoughts of ever leaving. I was very excited to get into AH2 and enjoy the new FM among many other things. It was a huge let down to see some of the things I loved so much about the game simply be thrown away.
To sum up my feelings of this whole 'new change' crap I have one word for you.
BLAH.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Folks knew who I was after all I was CM ffor the kurland event...
Folks knew who I posted under for the last 2 years until I reverted back to my wotan nic on the bbs.
If he could read he would understand just what this means:
Just like everything else he posts about he pretends to know whats what but just makes it up as he goes.
17 betas? Those are tours not betas ya dolt...
I understand that you felt a need to change your name. Then change it around again. No...they were the betas that ran during you 2 months absence of replying to the BBS. If you could do a search as i have ...you would figure this out. nuff said. Who are you?Anyone hear anything?
Originally posted by Hajo
Mugzee.....if you were here for the Beta of AHI you would realize this is far from the finished product.
HT,Pyro and the group were online every day, flying and fielding requests and questions.
Be patient.....it will get the Maestros Brush, and be very very good.
Hard to please everyone.
And most of us that are responding forgot about the MA as soon as the Beta Version became a viable flight sim. I would guess we started flyng the Beta version full time at least a month before the demise of AHI, and didn't return to the MA at that time.
During that month, because we spent so much time in the Beta arena our whines and suggestions were made known :)
Thus...you now have AHII....our input was heard, I'm sure yours will be heard also!
Yes Hajo..i was one of the guys that abandoned AH1 for a month before AH2 release...eccept for one factor.. I had to be present to run squad ops in AH1 on wed and sat. nights.
You are speaking as if i was not playing beta before AH2 was released. I urged my squad to spend as much time in beta as possible at least a month before it was released. I seen it was near release with beta 37. And even commented to my squad that i had a hunch it was near.
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seems like i heard somewhere that one reason for not displaying exact ranges ad-nauseum was server resources--to that end, I could understand the 1K+ thing. (and if ya dont have a 21" monitor, difficult to tell size increments in planes)...under 1k, toss-up
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Originally posted by bj229r
seems like i heard somewhere that one reason for not displaying exact ranges ad-nauseum was server resources--to that end, I could understand the 1K+ thing. (and if ya dont have a 21" monitor, difficult to tell size increments in planes)...under 1k, toss-up
Must have been a rumor.
As for System resource tax.. CAN the SKINS. They are creating an unstable environment. Or at least make them permanent files on our HDD.
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Originally posted by Steve
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!
WRONG
no whines to be heard untill AH1 was dead,
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap*
WAY-WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHECKERS
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...and here I was thinking that +/- thread was about changing your prop ptich (coarse/fine) to save fuel to deal with new fuel consumption rates.
Sorry...didn't even know there was a little game thingy that told people whether a plane was closing or leaving. And here I was feeling spoiled when I had a fps of 20 or more.
Loved Kurland , BTW Wotan. Maybe that could serve as a benchmark. The firat two frames were spent 'learnig' the setup, the last two were adapting.
Maybe a lesson to be learned.
ln
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wtf are you talking about?
You still don’t get it?
I have never been "absent". You see that guy Batz, well Batz = Wotan.
While you been kinda outa the picture for 17 betas.
Betas? As I said nub what betas?
The AH1 "betas" you were mentioning were "tours". I flew in the AH1 beta and had paid account since tour 3. 1st as Wotan, then I went out of state for a job, cancelled the Wotan account then re subbed as Batz. I only intended to keep Batz for an event I was Co'ing.
To keep down confusion with my players I started a "Batz" bbs account so they knew who they were talking with during the event. Well 2 events later I stopped playing (after the Okinawa event). I came back for AH2 and to CM the Kurland event which Brady and I wrote.
That nik was Helvik. I asked Skuzzy to switch my nic back to wotan but had to wait until the data base update.
I flew everyday in the AH2 beta and never saw any of the icon whiners or even you for that matter.
Search Batz on this bbs. As I said I have more posts in this forum then you have all together.
So the only folks absent from the betas were you and the icon whiners. You flew the beta for a month? I never saw ya. Anyway the icons changed way back before that.
Well the icons have been that way since beta 6 which was released last December, some 7 months ago. 2 weeks into the change over and folks who havent taken the time to adjust complain how its to hard for them.
Pyro posted this read me on 12-09-2003
Beta 6
Beta 6 is now available exclusively through the auto-updater for testing purposes. If you do not have Beta 5 installed on your system, you will need to download and install that first. See the previous news post for a download link. Once you have Beta 5 installed, just log into the server and the autoupdater will prompt you for the new version.
Aces High II Version 1.996 Open Beta
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Fixed a collision bug in the Spitfire that was making take-offs almost impossible. Fixed
a similar bug on the C-47.
Made a change to tailwheel modeling to give slightly more directional stability when taxiing.
Stiffened the Spit IX landing gear.
Gunsight Zoom has been re-enabled.
Radar and sector counters now work online.
When first running after installation, AH2 will automatically disable certain video options
on lower end video cards.
The clipboard is no longer obscured by objects such as cockpit rails.
F1 no longer turns mouse-pan back on if mouse-pan has been disabled.
Fixed some problems with clipboard lighting and shading.
Fixed a bug that caused certain curves in the road not to display.
Your plane icon on the clipboard map no longer displays off the clipboard.
Props now display correctly. Plane props will stop and display damage when you hit the ground.(this
has not been completed on all planes)
Changed auto-takeoff mode to be more responsive.
Enabled anti-aircraft guns.
Made a slight color change to tracers.
Icons now display below the plane.
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Think the icons are okay, liked the old ones better but it's no biggie.
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Originally posted by Wotan
wtf are you talking about?
You still don’t get it?
I have never been "absent". You see that guy Batz, well Batz = Wotan.
Betas? As I said nub what betas?
The AH1 "betas" you were mentioning were "tours". I flew in the AH1 beta and had paid account since tour 3. 1st as Wotan, then I went out of state for a job, cancelled the Wotan account then re subbed as Batz. I only intended to keep Batz for an event I was Co'ing.
To keep down confusion with my players I started a "Batz" bbs account so they knew who they were talking with during the event. Well 2 events later I stopped playing (after the Okinawa event). I came back for AH2 and to CM the Kurland event which Brady and I wrote.
That nik was Helvik. I asked Skuzzy to switch my nic back to wotan but had to wait until the data base update.
I flew everyday in the AH2 beta and never saw any of the icon whiners or even you for that matter.
Search Batz on this bbs. As I said I have more posts in this forum then you have all together.
So the only folks absent from the betas were you and the icon whiners. You flew the beta for a month? I never saw ya. Anyway the icons changed way back before that.
Well the icons have been that way since beta 6 which was released last December, some 7 months ago. 2 weeks into the change over and folks who havent taken the time to adjust complain how its to hard for them.
Pyro posted this read me on 12-09-2003
:rofl :rofl :rofl Of course i get it. Apparently you don’t.
:D I know Batz=Wotan.....but the general populous don’t know that. Switching names is lame IMO. Be yourself everywhere all the time. What’s the point of changing names? Don’t give me the Account cancellation explanation either. I did this and was able to come back as the same name. trade off was that i lost ALL perks. No big deal
Now your explaining that you are really you and Batz is actually you. Now your experiencing an identity crisis. OK
Big deal......Who are you? Apparently you don’t think enough of yourself to keep the same name so the community doesn’t lose track of you. Why should the community care who you are?
PS. As far as the icons being changed in beta 6...I for one thought it would come full circle and get changed farther down the road. So i didnt bother complaining about it at that time. Many things have played out as i had hoped during the development. The Icons wasnt one of them. Yes i can live with the current Icon. Just dont understand why after changing the icon 3 times, they didnt just implement to old icon. Actually i think i do understand why. :D see above
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You only have 8 hours this tour in AH (that includes 1 and 2). You had 73 last tour.
What is lame is you plasying yourself off as some one who even played AH2.
You were terrible in AH1 and I see how AH2 must intimidate you.
You maybe all wrapped up in your game nik and the "Co" of some 32 man horde but it doesnt mean anything to me.
Whether my nic is Wotan, Batz or Helvik is irrelevent. I may change it another 50 times if I choose.
MugZ sucked arse in AH1 and will suck arse in AH2 regardles of the icons. So yeah keep that nik. Folks may get you confused with the others that suck arse as well.
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Originally posted by Wotan
You only have 8 hours this tour in AH (that includes 1 and 2). You had 73 last tour.
What is lame is you plasying yourself off as some one who even played AH2.
You were terrible in AH1 and I see how AH2 must intimidate you.
You maybe all wrapped up in your game nik and the "Co" of some 32 man horde but it doesnt mean anything to me.
Whether my nic is Wotan, Batz or Helvik is irrelevent. I may change it another 50 times if I choose.
MugZ sucked arse in AH1 and will suck arse in AH2 regardles of the icons. So yeah keep that nik. Folks may get you confused with the others that suck arse as well.
Now you are attacking my ability to play the game?
Calling me a noob?
And becoming inflamatory?
As for being intimidated by AH1 or AH2 i think the number of deaths i suffer will show that while i suck.. I am far from intimidated.
I have played it as much as i could with running the squad and of course there is the issue of screen freezes and stutters that keept my hours low in AH2. As for this tour... If the game wont run for me..i can hardly log the hours sir. But i have been watching the BBS constantly for 3 months. There has been plenty of comment on the Icon system. You claim that the community didnt want the old icon system. I have seen plenty of guys say they would rather have to old icon system. including nearly every member of our squadron which at present is like 32 members. Was 36 several days back. Thats quite a few in my book? Oh yes...dont forget the guys that were talking about it on range channel constantly.
Because they express their dislike now and not 4 months ago....this means their opinion doesnt count?
Quoted of Wotan
The "community" didn't ask for the same icons in AH1, a few complainers did. The "community" didn't ask for the +/- thingy, a few complainers did. The folks doing most of the complaining were no where to be found in the earlier betas and made no effort at all until it was clear AH1 was over.
AH2 was in its "beta" phase for quite a while. Most folks that spent considerable time in those betas we see expressing themselves in support of the AH2 icons (pre +/- thingy of course).
What you get now are a good number of folks coming and in support of the orig AH2 icons. More then ever complained in the 1st place.
Let me get this right. Maybe 7 to 10 percent of the AH community played the betas for most of there duration. And your implying that this percentile is representitive of the whole community? I highly doubt this to be true. I hear guys complain constantly about many things of the new game. Most dont frequent the BBS. Some dont even know its here. Some dont want to be Beat down everytime the post a thread. Either way....the BBS in NO WAY SPEAKS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
As i remember there are countless comments that the game is a work in progress. This would indicate changes to come. They may or may not change the icons. But one things for certian. All of us are paying customers and we will continue to express or likes and dislikes to try and get the final product the way "WE" want it. Not just yous guys who were flying beta way back in the stone age. :rolleyes:
Out
Oh yeah one other thing. Your avator cant even make up it's mind who or what it is either. kinda telling isnt it? :D
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Yes you are nub; yes you aren’t very good at AH (1 or 2). Yes you run a squad of building battlers.
Yes I said you are intimidated by AH2 after all you whine plenty (even ht had to call you on it) and yes you play very little.
Your squad represents far fewer the 7 to 10% so their complaints are not an indication of the "community" as you claim at the top of this thread. Of those who flew the betas regularly they seem to like the original AH2 icons.
You can search the forum and count up the "for" and "against" if you like.
Sure this is a game in progress but it wont get very far if they keep going back to address the whines of those who haven’t even played the game enough to make an honest assessment.
Your squad are building battlers so what do they care about icons? Red run away, green follow like sheep...
If my avatar is bugging you pretend it’s a fuel bunker and slam yourself into it. It may take a few "sorties" to knock it down so you might want to get started...
FYI
Take a few minutes to learn the vB code, it makes reading the replies easier then the jumbled mess you post.
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Prefer and would like the return of the "old" icon system. Lets face it in the real world you have one big advantage 'stereoscopic" vision. Something that we dont have on a flat screen. Try driving with one eye closed see how your distance judgement goes to hell.
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Its a pitty there's no DA yet for AH2.
With Wontonsoups chest all puffed out I'd very much like to take him in there and deflate it a tad for him. ;)
In MugZ's defence Soupboy... I know he'd own your little wonton arse. MugZ and I have had our fall outs, but after a little more than 2 years of knowing and flying with and against him... He'd own you. :) And I would enjoy very much in making you look like the little school girl that I know you are. :)
adios.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
I agree and if this is true..why was there a change from AH1 to AH2 icon system? As for time and effort?
what's this? we going around in circles? it was an attempt to make things for the better. Whether that was better or worse is for you to see.
So, let me ask you this... what is wrong with what we have at the moment that you don't like?
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(off topic) god i am glad channel 1 is gone and we miss this stuff, but i think it makes you guys worse on BB.
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Originally posted by Zanth
(off topic) god i am glad channel 1 is gone and we miss this stuff, but i think it makes you guys worse on BB.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
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Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh noo iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
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Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh knew iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
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Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh knew iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
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Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh knew iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
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nuff said
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh knew iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
Hmm.....gues you still stuck betwen that terd and a fart huh? :D :rofl :rofl :D
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Hi my name is morph. I am a Grate flyer guy in Ahcez Hi tu.
I am the god of all gods. I like the +/- thingy on the icons and I liek teh knew iconez also. If you dont like them tehn u are a n00b. I haghve been around for all of zee baters in Ahcez Hi Tu. So if you havhnt then you are a sucker.
Hmm.....guess you still stuck between that terd and a fart huh? :D :rofl :rofl :D
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:rofl guess to many people trying to post at the same time:rofl
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That's a buncha bouncing boobs...
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Its a pitty there's no DA yet for AH2.
With Wontonsoups chest all puffed out I'd very much like to take him in there and deflate it a tad for him. ;)
In MugZ's defence Soupboy... I know he'd own your little wonton arse. MugZ and I have had our fall outs, but after a little more than 2 years of knowing and flying with and against him... He'd own you. :) And I would enjoy very much in making you look like the little school girl that I know you are. :)
adios.
Go back to vulching your shade err little brother's account.
Morph/kronik/nitro or whatever your name is.
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Morph...:D
BTW...whats this...you back burnnered AH2?
Cant blame ya. I would have done the same. First i didnt have too. The game is doing it for me. 6CDTs in an hour last sat. I cringe at the thought of even saying it out loud here. you know. The suggestions of the obvious and the "You need another upgrade" thing. Before patch 2 no trouble. Now with the last 2 patches CTD galor...weird eh? As you know...i have a AH ONLY PC. Nothing runs in the background ect. Nothing has changed on my end. Just awaiting the next patch to see what happens.
Secondly i have a commitment to the squad and i will be in the tower on squad nights from now till the patch me up.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Yes you are nub; yes you aren’t very good at AH (1 or 2). Yes you run a squad of building battlers.
Yes I said you are intimidated by AH2 after all you whine plenty (even ht had to call you on it) and yes you play very little.
Your squad represents far fewer the 7 to 10% so their complaints are not an indication of the "community" as you claim at the top of this thread. Of those who flew the betas regularly they seem to like the original AH2 icons.
You can search the forum and count up the "for" and "against" if you like.
Sure this is a game in progress but it wont get very far if they keep going back to address the whines of those who haven’t even played the game enough to make an honest assessment.
Your squad are building battlers so what do they care about icons? Red run away, green follow like sheep...
If my avatar is bugging you pretend it’s a fuel bunker and slam yourself into it. It may take a few "sorties" to knock it down so you might want to get started...
FYI
Take a few minutes to learn the vB code, it makes reading the replies easier then the jumbled mess you post.
Theres what i was looking for.
Finally the tru idiot you are has surfaced.
I wish you well on your journey to normality but highly doubt you will attain it. As for HT calling me out?
His comments to me coulda have been directed to almost anyone at anytime in the BBS. Its just the nature of the BBS. I will post the link here for those that are wondering.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120963&referrerid=7566
He accused me of Not providing assistance.
I provided assistance plenty. The whine was free. :D
And perfectly acceptable on the BBS.
So till HT Bans whining from the BBS.....pull up a chair, a block of cheese and induldge. But im sure YOU havent whined on the BBS.
:D
As for the vB code........I have no trouble following it at all. Even in my lame unseccesfull intimidated state. Try a little harder youll get it.
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in a glance you can tell closure info which should take more of your time, time away from other SA functions
get rid of the + or -
or
get rid of the distance counter
to have both seems like parking in a handicap zone because you are too lazy to walk
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Originally posted by DipStick
Think the icons are okay, liked the old ones better but it's no biggie.
WTG DipStick ... there are bigger fish to fry in this world eh ? A wise man once told me ... "don't sweat the small stuff" ... which this "icon" debate is exactly.
in a glance you can tell closure info
Maybe for you eagler, but not for me. Some of us suffer from "old eyeballs" ...
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pres·by·o·pi·a
Inability of the eye to focus sharply on nearby objects, resulting from loss of elasticity of the crystalline lens with advancing age.
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I once had 20/10 vision, but not anymore, I have to wear glasses to play this game and these old eyeballs need a little help in trying to process a 2D image into 3D depth and closesure directions.
You guys all all pissed off on the semantics of the new icon system, all the while not considering how it aids those with eyesight problems ... kinda selfish as far as I am concerned.
Again ... there are bigger fish to fry, don't sweat the small stuff.
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quit yer whining ya blind old bastage! :D
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Overall I am very glad that Hitech does not operate by the poll. We'd end up with some watered down game that appealed to the lowest common denominator or at best the loudest of the whiners. In this one case however I wish the icons were back to beta standards, and that seems to be the clear wish of the majority of those who've posted in this thread.
Within a kilometer's range you can see the planes artwork clearly enough to judge closure rates. Beyond a kilometer out (not to mention 5 or 6) in RL you'd be hard pressed to determine what kind of plane it was much less be able to extract exact measurements of its AOA and actual E-state down nearly to the integer with only a fraction of a second glance. So far everything about AH2 seems to lean the game more towards the sim and away from the game, except this one change.
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Within a kilometer's range you can see the planes artwork clearly enough to judge closure rates.
Again .. speak for yourself ... try this next time ...
Within a kilometer's range I can see the planes artwork clearly enough to judge closure rates.
I am glad you can ... I have a hard time.
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cry, cry ,cry, all i hear about ah2 come on guys!! get us to it, we can ajust takes a lil time!!
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I have played it as much as i could with running the squad and of course there is the issue of screen freezes and stutters that keept my hours low in AH2.
When was the last time you did a clean install? How many processes are you running in the background? How much spyware? Popups? IM? Years worth of installed and removed half-assed shareware apps? If any of these are an issue you probably need to install the Format patch before any patch HTC releases will do you any good.
Just helped my buddy Rutger load XP on his computer yesterday with a bunch of new hardware - CPU, MEM, MB, vide card) -- AH stable with high frame rates just like the two win 98 AH loads I have on my home LAN.
BTW, Wotan is Batz?! Who’d a thunk it. What a scoundrel.
Charon
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Within a kilometer's range you can see the planes artwork clearly enough to judge closure rates.
Again .. speak for yourself ... try this next time ...
Within a kilometer's range I can see the planes artwork clearly enough to judge closure rates.
I am glad you can ... I have a hard time.
Point taken (or is that given?) and acknowleged,
I should also add that while I can judge closure rates within 1K of range I cannot do it as well as I could with the old AH1 icon rangefinder. What I was trying to say was that under 1K in AH2 I can tell (over a couple of seconds) if I am closing on a con whereas over 1K out I cannot.
I play at 1024X768 on a 20 inch monitor rather than 1280X1024 which my system can handle becasue I find it easier to see.
YMMV
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I dont like the new icons one darn bit. The +, - system just makes it worse. If you need it that bad then go back to the old way which imo was just fine. There I've said it, now someone get me my prozak!!!!:p
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Point taken (or is that given?) and acknowleged,
I should also add that while I can judge closure rates within 1K of range I cannot do it as well as I could with the old AH1 icon rangefinder. What I was trying to say was that under 1K in AH2 I can tell (over a couple of seconds) if I am closing on a con whereas over 1K out I cannot.
I play at 1024X768 on a 20 inch monitor rather than 1280X1024 which my system can handle becasue I find it easier to see.
YMMV
I thank you and I <> you ... :D
I just wish it was the same for me, as it is for you.
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As I said very hard to judge distance (depth) on a 2d screen. Would like the old style range counter back, and yup bin the + - thing.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
in a glance you can tell closure info
Maybe for you eagler, but not for me. Some of us suffer from "old eyeballs" ...
What Slap said....:)
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if your eyes are so bad you can't tell a "+" from a "-" after you jack up the icon size to max, you need new reading glasses not some new and improved ranging system
I do not think HT had "old eyeballs" in mind when he added this "feature". More like trying to make the majority of his paying subs happy with basically a simplification of game play, sorta like auto take off, combat trim, alt X, etc... taking it away from real and towards easy mode
the plus and minus is over simplifying what should take more time and effort than a spilt second glance over your shoulder to see if the con or your six is closing or not
it's is fine but overkill imo
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Originally posted by Eagler
if your eyes are so bad you can't tell a "+" from a "-" after you jack up the icon size to max, you need new reading glasses not some new and improved ranging system
I do not think HT had "old eyeballs" in mind when he added this "feature". More like trying to make the majority of his paying subs happy with basically a simplification of game play, sorta like auto take off, combat trim, alt X, etc... taking it away from real and towards easy mode
the plus and minus is over simplifying what should take more time and effort than a spilt second glance over your shoulder to see if the con or your six is closing or not
it's is fine but overkill imo
I just got new reading glasses, and I can tell the difference between a + and a - on the screen.
Prior to that, I was having difficulty distinguishing whether the plane was coming at me or going away from me with the new icon update schema. Now I don't have that problem and the game is that much more enjoyable for me ... see I can be selfish too.
I wouldn't presume to make assumptions on what HT thinks or doesn't think. I would like to believe that HT, as a professional software developer does take those things into consideration. I do. All GUI objects, colors, and fonts must be of a size that makes working with them and viewing them easier for those that have trouble in these areas.
CNTRL-I is what you looking for ... use it.
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Prior to that, I was having difficulty distinguishing whether the plane was coming at me or going away from me with the new icon update schema. Now I don't have that problem and the game is that much more enjoyable for me ... see I can be selfish too
ditto
As I said very hard to judge distance (depth) on a 2d screen. Would like the old style range counter back, and yup bin the + - thing.
ditto
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Why didn’t you just read the icon?
How fast can con cover 500yrds going 300mph? Certainly fast enough to give you an idea of whether he’s coming toward you or away from you.
Are you telling me your bad eyes can read the little +\- thingy easier then watching the icons change? Inside 1k there's a real "size change" of the bogie as he closes or extends.
So what does +\- thing do for you?
Here's why I don’t care for it...
In a close in dogfight:
I come in say with 1 or 2k ft advantage on a spit 9. I can follow a break through the first quarter or so of the turn but needing to keep energy up (else he run away or the 50 other la7s or spits get me) I use a lot of yo yos, short zooms to set up quick sprints dives to keep in his rear quarter.
Lotsa times he will come full circle and try to follow up the zoom. Or reverse his turn back into me and climb to get a spray shot (this was the typical spit maneuver in AH1).
AT 800 yards with out the +/- thingy he doesn’t really "know" if I am extending in the vertical or if he is closing. He may think twice about following me up. In AH1 he had by the yard range info.
He may try a little spray and pray but if he sees his speed falling off he may fear being roped and roll and dive away.
With the +\- thingy he can see if he’s closing right away.
In this case - means turn on the hose and hold it because he is gaining. He knows I will run out of e before he does.
So I think the plus +/- thingy sucks arse.
It means a return of "missile defense" flying because any one inside 1k with a - next to their icons will be "hose on" just like AH1.
Now maybe I overlooked something but how does the +\- thingy aid your vision? In high speed passes the range counter is moving fast enough to give closure. When a bogie is moving in fast on you the range counter will give you better info then the +/- thingy.
Even in areas of high concentration of enemy the range counters are moving.
The only time the +/- thingy can be of an benefit that I see is in the slow close in DF's or in a chase. Not to provide better visuals but to give an indication of when to open with the spray.
This is an honest question, with your bad eyes and all. How does the little +/- thing help you see better?
Not how it helps you SA or any of that. Hell if you want better SA then the AH1 icons should just be restored.
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Now maybe I overlooked something but how does the +\- thingy aid your vision?
In higher resolutions the planes are just dots(to my eyes) until very close. In lower resolutions the planes are a little more blocky and increasing/decreasing size is hard to detect.
Not to provide better visuals but to give an indication of when to open with the spray.
You keep opening w/ this spray and pray fantasy. I'm no sprayer and I like the old icon system.
AT 800 yards with out the +/- thingy he doesn’t really "know" if I am extending in the vertical or if he is closing. He may think twice about following me up. In AH1 he had by the yard range info.
Funny, I like it for the exact reason you don't. As I rope a bad guy, I can tell if I need to increase the angle on my spiral based on closure. I don't mind if they spray at 800 as I'll just spiral tighter than they can pull lead, thus avoiding the bullets.
You are using yoyo's and short sprint dives to stay on an enemy's rear quarter. The +/- thinige isn't going to aid your quarry one bit in this scenario. He's either going to be busy trying to shake you or else you're going to blast him while he watches the +/- on your icon.
Your victim should be worried about whether you are in/out of phase w/ him, nose down/up, escape vector and timing on taking it, reversal opportunities, compression speeds... etc. If he is thinking about the +/- while a pilot of your skills is agressively attacking, he is doing you a favor IMHO.
He may try a little spray and pray but if he sees his speed falling off he may fear being roped and roll and dive away.
You need to learn to anticipate when a guy is going to do this and get your nose down on him before he tries to execute this manuever. Was the same in AHI. You have to get your nose down on him BEFORE he tries to run. Thus when he DOES nose down to run, he's presenting a nice slow target for you.
I prefer to act instead of react.
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This is an honest question, with your bad eyes and all. How does the little +/- thing help you see better?
It doesn't help me see better, it helps me assess the situation better.
Prior to the + - thingy, I ran into multiple scenarios where the con was 800 out and from what I could see, I could not tell whether he was coming or going. If he was coming, with some smash, he had the advantage on me cause I wasn't sure that I should setup for a merge or for a pursuit.
Now with the + - thingy, I can tell in a instant, coming or going. Either way, + - or the old way, just as long as I can distingush the direction. Thats what SOME of us need to make the game enjoyable for US.
If HT decides to keep the + - thingy, maybe he can add to CNTRL-I "+ - Off" for those who think it clutters up the screen.
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In real life, at 800 yards, one can quickly discern if an object is closing or going away. Think about it: If you are on a relatively flat highway and see a semi out in front of you at half a mile and you are closing on the semi at just 50MPH, how long will it take you to realize this? If you are honest, you will say almost immediately. The same can be said if the semi is going away at just 50MPH. The back of a semi isn't any larger than the airplanes we are dealing w/ here in this game.
The 2 dimensional monitors we have are simply unable to simulate real life, 3 dimensional scenarios. The +/- compensates for that.
AT 800 yards with out the +/- thingy he doesn’t really "know" if I am extending in the vertical or if he is closing. He may think twice about following me up. In AH1 he had by the yard range info.
What you are saying here is that you want to be able to take advantage of the inability of the computer to accurately depict 3 dimensions. This isn't flight simming... it's gamey... far more gamey than the +/-, IMHO.
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In higher resolutions the planes are just dots(to my eyes) until very close. In lower resolutions the planes are a little more blocky and increasing/decreasing size is hard to detect.
So what if the planes are dots, the +\- didnt change that. They are still dots. You are looking at the icon to see the +/- thingy why not just read the icon, inside 400 fire, the +/- minus thingy does nothing to change that.
You keep opening w/ this spray and pray fantasy. I'm no sprayer and I like the old icon system.
Sure you spray and pray. That is what you just said, if all you see is a "dot" what are you aiming at? You are just spraying at the dot.
Funny, I like it for the exact reason you don't. As I rope a bad guy, I can tell if I need to increase the angle on my spiral based on closure. I don't mind if they spray at 800 as I'll just spiral tighter than they can pull lead, thus avoiding the bullets.
You are using yoyo's and short sprint dives to stay on an enemy's rear quarter. The +/- thinige isn't going to aid your quarry one bit in this scenario. He's either going to be busy trying to shake you or else you're going to blast him while he watches the +/- on your icon.
Well yeah... Why zoom a 1000 yards when 500 will get me back in and keep the guy off balance?
You need to learn to anticipate when a guy is going to do this and get your nose down on him before he tries to execute this manuever. Was the same in AHI. You have to get your nose down on him BEFORE he tries to run. Thus when he DOES nose down to run, he's presenting a nice slow target for you.
I prefer to act instead of react.
Well that only works in a plane that has substantially better dive accelleration like your p51. In slower planes you need to be reversed before he does so you can close the distance before he runs. Hanging on your prop waiting for him to fall away doesnt work all the time.
A nice tight spiral in the vertical will force the guy to pull lead on his spray and bled him a bit faster. But If the plane chasing up has better dive accelleration and better top speed he simply runs away. When flying the fastest plane in the game this doesnt matter much.
But how is the +/- thingy helping me to see the guy better? I can just read the icon and see the actual plane wallowing and reverse.
Even at 200 yard increments the icons change. Even the +/- thingy doesnt show unless separation is at a given speed.
I ran down an la7 from 800 to 200yrds and the +/- never showed.
Just preferring Ah1's icons is onething, claims of "better vision" seem like so much BS to me.
BTW I wear glasses as well and have no issues in that regard. I do have a 21" monitor though @ 1024 x 768 32 bit 4 x AA.
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if all you see is a "dot" what are you aiming at?
where did I say I was firing at said dot? where?
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I ran down an la7 from 800 to 200yrds and the +/- never showed.
This simulates slow closure. In other words, as in real life, if the closure is relatively slow, it is harder to detect, thus the +/- never showed. I would think you would like this feature.
Wotan, my comment about that you need to learn to blah blah blah was sarcasm buddy, I know you do just fine.
A nice tight spiral in the vertical will force the guy to pull lead on his spray and bled him a bit faster.
Yes, I love this move and marvel that almost no-one uses it.
Hanging on your prop waiting for him to fall away doesnt work all the time.
This is gambling, I prefer to spiral and pounce before he noses down.. maybe this is what you mean by wallowing.
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What you are saying here is that you want to be able to take advantage of the inability of the computer to accurately depict 3 dimensions. This isn't flight simming... it's gamey... far more gamey than the +/-, IMHO.
Nonsense at 800 yrds you can't tell if the guy is closing at 500 mph or 300mph.
You can't tell is hes directly head on or at an off angle across or below your forward view. (moving slightly left to create horizontal separation at the merge)
The brits in had trouble telling whether the guy they were shooting at was at 200yrds or 500 yrds in rl.
So what you say is just made up to support your view.
Besides in AH2 at 800yrds the icons change every 200 yrds, easy enough to judge closure in a h2h situation even at just 200 mph.
So don't bring "realism" into this. Because there is none.
As I said above you may prefer Ah1's icons but thats different soem of the expressed reasoning that makes no sense to me.
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Originally posted by Steve
where did I say I was firing at said dot? where?
sarcasm as well I see your consistant 18% hit percentage and can see you dont "spray and pray".
But I think you can admit that there is quite a bit of spray.
We will just disagree on the icons, I have my preference and you have yours.
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Nonsense at 800 yrds you can't tell if the guy is closing at 500 mph or 300mph.
This is nonsense. If I were a pilot, I'd be abel to learn the difference of 2 closure rates that were 200 MPH apart. You are kidding both of us if you don't believe this.
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But I think you can admit that there is quite a bit of spray.
Yes, you got me there. and I'm NOT saying the +/- won't help the sprayers... you and I don't think like them so I realyl don't know what their process is when acquiring/firing.
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From my point of view the addition of the + / - icon change is a good compromise.
You can all bash each other add infinitum over this, but if HT was content with the laser accurate AH1 icons he would never have experimented with other options.
It does not matter which side of the fence you sit on, its HT's game and it will be the way he wants it.
After playing AH since beta 1, I know HT will consider both sides of all disputes and implement the best option as he see's it.
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You can all bash each other add infinitum over this,
It surely wasn't my intent to bash Wotan. I've flown w/ him once or twice and reallyhad a blast. I thought we were having a friendly, if spirited debate. My apologies to everyone, especially Wotan, if I went too far
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Steve,
No I don’t think you bashed me :p
I was far harsher in my comments then you were to me. But I have given the "kinder gentler" Wotan thing a shot and it sucked so I try to elicit responses with at times harsh and abrasive replies.
But I agree with Cav. I prefer not to have the +\- thingy but HT runs a business and this is a game.
Like the fuel mod issue I will argue a point for a few days then move on.
So we will just disagree on the icons.
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It doesn't seem to be working right.
Icons stay at - even when you are closing in fast.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
It doesn't seem to be working right.
Icons stay at - even when you are closing in fast.
Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
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Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
This is what I thought Slapper... didn't post because I figured I missed/misunderstood something.
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Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
This is what I thought Slapper... didn't post because I figured I missed/misunderstood something.
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Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
This is what I thought Slapper... didn't post because I figured I missed/misunderstood something.
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Originally posted by Steve
Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
This is what I thought Slapper... didn't post because I figured I missed/misunderstood something.
Maybe we did !!!! ... you know these old eyeballs of ours can play tricks on us ... :D
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Originally posted by Steve
Huh ?
- means closure
+ means separation
So if you are "closing in fast" it should be -
Oh, ok.
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In real life, at 800 yards, one can quickly discern if an object is closing or going away.
Wrong.
Think about it: If you are on a relatively flat highway and see a semi out in front of you at half a mile and you are closing on the semi at just 50MPH, how long will it take you to realize this?
Longer than you might think.
If you are honest, you will say almost immediately. The same can be said if the semi is going away at just 50MPH. The back of a semi isn't any larger than the airplanes we are dealing w/ here in this game.
We're talking about planes in thousand yards of ranges, flying in a void of air without much visual cues. The increase in object size, even in the real world accounts for very small increments of enlargement or shrinking for every 100 yards, and especially if the speed ranges are close in two moving objects. It takes some considerable time to be able to tell relative changes in range.
So what allows us to tell range when objects are so far away? Time, memory, and logic - not eyesight.
The increase/decrease in visual range changes in increments too small for the human eye to pick out in a second.
However, after watching the object over extended lengths of time, humans compare with the latest size of the visible object, with the size of the object memorized some time ago. The difference is not so glaring as to judge relative distance in 1 second, but over 5 seconds, 10 seconds and more, the size difference is adequate enough to compare with the last memorized size of the object, and only then he gets a sense of speed and distance.
The increments of 200 yard simulates that time needed to judge distance. The +/- sign simply adds to it, so we can judge upon instantly on the movement of the target - which, is neither realistic, nor needed as a gameplay instrument.
The 2 dimensional monitors we have are simply unable to simulate real life, 3 dimensional scenarios. The +/- compensates for that.
No, the yard increments already compensates for that. The +/- are an extra crutch which is not needed.
The "computers can't handle 3D environment like the real life" argument has been used since day one of 3D games, and has been refuted for the same amount of time.
Its true computers can't deal out the 'infinite resolution' as in real life. But generally, as a rule of thumb, any distance/movement which the 3D scope of a human eye can detect, is in real life a range close enough that no extra visual cues are needed at all.
What you are saying here is that you want to be able to take advantage of the inability of the computer to accurately depict 3 dimensions. This isn't flight simming... it's gamey... far more gamey than the +/-, IMHO.
Opposite way around.
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We're talking about planes in thousand yards of ranges, flying in a void of air without much visual cues. The increase in object size, even in the real world accounts for very small increments of enlargement or shrinking for every 100 yards, and especially if the speed ranges are close in two moving objects. It takes some considerable time to be able to tell relative changes in range.
In RL, objects seen are much more clearer and in more detail than we could ever reproduce on our setups. With the extra detail, one could easily discern the front of the plane and the back of the plane, leading to an assumption of closure or separation.
So what allows us to tell range when objects are so far away? Time, memory, and logic - not eyesight.
I drive a blind guy to work on occasion. Next time I will ask him if he can tell me the range to the exit sign using time, memory, and logic.
The increments of 200 yard simulates that time needed to judge distance. The +/- sign simply adds to it, so we can judge upon instantly on the movement of the target - which, is neither realistic, nor needed as a gameplay instrument.
Then as I suggested before, lets ask HT if he can add the + - thingy to the CNTRL-I switch and you can turn it off. Don't presume for an instant that what you think is needed or not needed will suffice for some one elses enjoyment of this game. This + - thingy in totality is not a big deal, but some must make mountains out of mole hills.
No, the yard increments already compensates for that. The +/- are an extra crutch which is not needed.
See above.
The "computers can't handle 3D environment like the real life" argument has been used since day one of 3D games, and has been refuted for the same amount of time.
Refuted ... so what. Cause its been refuted doesn't make it a real. The computers that we have CANNOT handle 3D environments like the real life. Refute till your blue in the face, its still true.
Its true computers can't deal out the 'infinite resolution' as in real life. But generally, as a rule of thumb, any distance/movement which the 3D scope of a human eye can detect, is in real life a range close enough that no extra visual cues are needed at all.
Generally ? ... rule of thumb ? ... usually tend to make very weak points in a discussion. I don't accept those conditions or conjecture. You need something more solid and my eyes to believe it.
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Originally posted by Charon
When was the last time you did a clean install? How many processes are you running in the background? How much spyware? Popups? IM? Years worth of installed and removed half-assed shareware apps? If any of these are an issue you probably need to install the Format patch before any patch HTC releases will do you any good.
Just helped my buddy Rutger load XP on his computer yesterday with a bunch of new hardware - CPU, MEM, MB, vide card) -- AH stable with high frame rates just like the two win 98 AH loads I have on my home LAN.
BTW, Wotan is Batz?! Who’d a thunk it. What a scoundrel.
Charon
Thanks for the kind concern sir.
Yes I have done more than enough to make sure my machine is running clean and smooth. I am very PC literate.
Have been building and servicing PCs for a very long time now.
I have also followed tons of advice here on the BBS.
At least doing the things i hadn’t already done.
Here is the recent history of the performance of AH2/AH-2 beta on my machine.
Beta 4 thru 39 had screen stutters beyond acceptable levels.
Beta 40 finally fixed it so that with ALL sliders and setting set for max (performance) I could actually do Air to Air with out getting nauseous. As for attacking ground targets… Fugedaboudit. With the sliders in these positions you have to cut ground targets with you propeller before you are close enough the see them. But still I was feeling pretty optimistic with beta 40. Things were actually getting pleasant.
Beta 41 caused nearly a Double in Video memory used and the stutters were back like no tomorrow. HT was online at this time and I told him of my experience. He said, “Do not change any settings” that it would settle down in time. After about an hour of flying it changed alright…NOW my video memory used, went from 52 to 75meg. It just kept climbing.
Beta 40...128 total. Used= 27 average
Beta 41…128 total. Used=52 then climbed to 75 meg after about an hour of activity.
Beta 42 thru 44 played nicely again. Used video memory settled back down again (bout 45 meg used average). But I still couldn’t run graphic detail settings at default. (Must all be set for max performance)
Below is an excerpt from the News and announcements section of the BBS in regards to beta42
Originally posted by Pyro
Moving max texture size up from the default setting will no longer preload all the textures. You may get
Stutters if you increase the max texture size from the default settings.
Just a shot in the dark...but maybe this had something to do with the improvement on my machine. Seems related in a way anyhow.
Now AH2 was hot to trot and went LIVE!!!
And my video memory Doubled once again. All in all it was running pretty smooth.
Then I took notice that many guys were having CTDs with AH2 Live.
But not me…no sireee I was happy.
AH2 Patch 1…all is same.
AH2 Patch 2…Still looking acceptable.
AH2 Patch 3…Feeling pretty good now.
AH2 patch 4…Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg
I had 6 CTDs in a row with Patch 4
5 each and every time I hit the runway. And 1 when I joined a buddies fighter...I was able to ride along till he engaged a niki.. Right after he killed the NIK...I CTDed. All this happened in about 1 hour.
Here is the kicker……….Patch 1, 3, and 4 all addressed CTD,s Patch 2 was basically only to Fix a bug causing vehicle bases not to display correctly.
I give ……
Duh...forgot to answer you question....Kleen install was about 2 months ago on a brand spanking new HDD.
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Geesh I was talking about spray and pray and just checked mine own hit %.
198 kills and hit % at .447? lol wtf is up with that?
It would appear I am the world's biggest hypocrit or hit % is still porked :p
I prefer the later.
I been flying the a8 a bit, normally I am a 109 tard. I mostly take 2 cannon on all the 190s and 1 on the 109.
Anyway,
Mugz,
Do you have anything in your "squads" folder? HT has said that this may cause a CTD.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
what's this? we going around in circles? it was an attempt to make things for the better. Whether that was better or worse is for you to see.
So, let me ask you this... what is wrong with what we have at the moment that you don't like?
Very fair question. And refreshing i might add. With the inherent warps and micro warps of any online massive multi player game...a more finite incremental range icon is needed to compensate for those situations where some one is warping a smidge. After all it is a game of timeing. Sometimes the gain or loss of an earned advantage against a formadable opponent is within that fraction of a second.
The old icon range counter better compensated for this.
Please note. I have explained in several forums that i would love the NME Icons removed completely.
This seems contradictory. But it isnt actually. We have come to depend on range counter icons. Now they are altered and must be relearned again. This would be a perfect time to remove the ICONS because we have to re-train our eyes anyways. But thats another story for another day. After reading steve and Slaps replies. I see where this could be a bad move for the old chaps. :D
PS. Im certian that im going to hear the ol..."Human eye can only see_______" so much. But anyone who is in tune with their fighter and have experienced this knows exactally what i am talking about. You can feel or sense the warps that are just barely visable.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Geesh I was talking about spray and pray and just checked mine own hit %.
198 kills and hit % at .447? lol wtf is up with that?
It would appear I am the world's biggest hypocrit or hit % is still porked :p
I prefer the later.
I been flying the a8 a bit, normally I am a 109 tard. I mostly take 2 cannon on all the 190s and 1 on the 109.
Anyway,
Mugz,
Do you have anything in your "squads" folder? HT has said that this may cause a CTD.
No.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Geesh I was talking about spray and pray and just checked mine own hit %.
198 kills and hit % at .447? lol wtf is up with that?
It would appear I am the world's biggest hypocrit or hit % is still porked :p
I prefer the later.
I been flying the a8 a bit, normally I am a 109 tard. I mostly take 2 cannon on all the 190s and 1 on the 109.
Anyway,
Mugz,
Do you have anything in your "squads" folder? HT has said that this may cause a CTD.
No.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Anyway,
Mugz,
Do you have anything in your "squads" folder? HT has said that this may cause a CTD.
No
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Very fair question. And refreshing i might add. With the inherent warps and micro warps of any online massive multi player game...a more finite incremental range icon is needed to compensate for those situations where some one is warping a smidge. After all it is a game of timeing. Sometimes the gain or loss of an earned advantage against a formadable opponent is within that fraction of a second.
The old icon range counter better compensated for this.
Please note. I have explained in several forums that i would love the NME Icons removed completely.
This seems contradictory. But it isnt actually. We have come to depend on range counter icons. Now they are altered and must be relearned again. This would be a perfect time to remove the ICONS because we have to re-train our eyes anyways. But thats another story for another day. After reading steve and Slaps replies. I see where this could be a bad move for the old chaps. :D
PS. Im certian that im going to hear the ol..."Human eye can only see_______" so much. But anyone who is in tune with their fighter and have experienced this knows exactally what i am talking about. You can feel or sense the warps that are just barely visable.
Ahhh now we are getting the bottom of it. :) It's your taste of how things should be and not to question whether HTC has a development policy or not (of which I knew all this time).
If my "perceived" explanation of how things are turning at HTC made you feel better, then I did my task. :) If it didn't, well, I did my task anyway. :D
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In RL, objects seen are much more clearer and in more detail than we could ever reproduce on our setups. With the extra detail, one could easily discern the front of the plane and the back of the plane, leading to an assumption of closure or separation.
Doesn't matter.
The smallest of detail levels which the computer cannot produce, is also impossible to perceive with human eyes. Assuming a steady gain on a certain square shaped target out at 1000 yards, when he closes in to 900 yards the difference in size which shrinks to indicate closure is barely 1mm for each sides. The total decrease in relative area of the "picture" we get is less than 10% and is almost impossible to perceive.
The more sensitive people with better eyesight get a "feeling" of closure, but even they cannot confirm it and must wait until the target closes even more, and then compare the latest perceived size of the total area, with the one he's seen few seconds ago which was at 1000 yards, to be sure of anything.
Many people in real life, despite the physical shortcomings of a human eye, confirm that a physical object is closing or departing by means of logic, rather than actual physical confirmation.
In short, they think to themselves, "oh that target is closing in", and in most cases it turns out true - but not because their eyes have confirmed it, but because their sense of logic has deduced the results according to the situation he was left in.
When there aren't enough visual cues or relative background objects to confirm such facts, people make mistakes in judging distance and closure/departure all the time. And even when the distance is not so far out.
Studies concerned with accidents in road crossings indicate a much higher rate in typical rural road crossings or rural highways, contrary to the belief that the city areas will have more accidents with pedestrians crossing roads. The reason is tracked down to the roads in rural areas are laid down straight in the midst of large, empty flatlands, which there are no visual cues to compare the closing automobile with the background to get a sense of closure. In this situation, people about to run across a road observes an incoming car some tens of yards away, think that the closing car is far away enough for him to run across the road, and then it turns out wrong and they get run over.
Same thing with animals with much quicker reflexes than humans - some people say deers and racoons and such nocturnal animals are run over while crossing roads because they are 'tranced' by the lights, but its simply not true. They simply misjudged distance, and couldn't react in time.
I drive a blind guy to work on occasion. Next time I will ask him if he can tell me the range to the exit sign using time, memory, and logic.
You don't understand.
By time, memory and logic, I mean that people react to their environment by "assuming" a theory inside their minds, before any objective observation is made out. They deal out the situation and distance - in case of air combat, people watch on object, and then they assume by according to their position and situation whence the battle started. Then they confirm their own 'assumption' whether a target is closing or departing by observing it for an extended time. Sense of distance and closure/departure, doesn't come at a glance.
That was the case with 200 yard increments opposed to what we had before in AH1. People see an enemy plane, and then they observe for2~3 seconds whether it changes or not. Not so with the +/- indicator - it gives out relative E states at a glance.
Then as I suggested before, lets ask HT if he can add the + - thingy to the CNTRL-I switch and you can turn it off. Don't presume for an instant that what you think is needed or not needed will suffice for some one elses enjoyment of this game. This + - thingy in totality is not a big deal, but some must make mountains out of mole hills.
Such info directly concerning combat should not be of choice. The problem is the +/- indicator gives out information impossible to perceive at a glance. The 200 yards 'tick' was cleverly timed in that it took about as long to figure out distance changes as in real life, without providing any more info. The +/- indicator is excessive info which makes flying and fighting much easier than it should be, typically beneficial for one's SA. If such a system is to be maintained or discared it should be on an overall scale - not local.
If it is indeed to be discarded, then noone should use it.
A better alternative, would be making one able to cycle through icon modes, so one offers us yard increments, and another one gets rid of the yard increments and uses only the +/-. Then that, would be a fair deal.
Refuted ... so what. Cause its been refuted doesn't make it a real. The computers that we have CANNOT handle 3D environments like the real life. Refute till your blue in the face, its still true.
But unfortunately in this case, it is real.
People misjudged distances all the time in real life. That's why they needed to get in close to shoot at stuff, get into ranges which they cannot mistake, by comparing the target in front of them with visuals cues such as the gunsights.
When targets were further off, then effectively people would have no way of confirming if it was 1000 yards or 1500 yards out. The only thing they would know is how much the target grew or shrank in size over a certain given time(not at a glance, mind you), and how fast that happened. By that they would judge, upon relativity.
Generally ? ... rule of thumb ? ... usually tend to make very weak points in a discussion. I don't accept those conditions or conjecture. You need something more solid and my eyes to believe it.
Because a stronger point is not required in this case. Its true computers cannot depict every millimeter of detail - and thats why we have, and should have icons on.
This point proves itself when playing other games like FB/AEP which boasts probably the best visual quality overall in any kind of commercial flightsim game upto date - even with such high standards in graphics spotting out enemies far off, is a bit*h.
So, we have icons - plane/country indicators, and also distance indicators, which changes in 200 yard increments. For the reasons explained above, juding relative E-states is more than possible - provided that you observed the target for more than just a single glance, and can reason its relative E-status to your own plane, based on your knowledge of how fast the range counters dropped from 1000 to 800 to 600 to 400. As long as you have that knowledge, the +/- indicators are not needed.
If you weren't observing the changes, and you suddenly see an enemy plane nearby, then there's no way of knowing whether the enemy is closing in real fast, or you are able to pull away and escape - you have to observe it from there how things are, and that may be too late for you... And that's how it should be.
I'm not saying those who can't get used to the system is stupid or anything. I'm saying what it was before the +/- increments made sense.
It's undeniable that the range increments as in AH1, or what we have now with the +/- indicators make fighting easier. In AH1, it didn't matter when you saw the enemy plane, or you whether or not you were paying attention. As long as you spot it out before 1000 yards it'd take less than 1 second to figure out what the relative E state was, and deal out the best cards you have to whether to try a reversal, try to run, or to just evade.
Not so in AH2, and I don't find it unreasonable that people have major gripes in that suddenly they can't time their moves, or aim the way they used to as before.
But that's the natural thing to be, and the thing it should be.
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Addressing the +/- debate.
Doesn't matter to me.....In my years of online flight sim gaming I relied on the size of the icon. I can zoom in to get a feel if icon is going away from or towards me etc. When I finally do obtain a firing solution...I judge that by how much of the aircraft fills the gunsight...then I'll fire.
Now....I do believe that this debate may be fueled by each machines graphic setup and vid mem usage. I don't think AH2 is at it's pinnacle as far as video performance goes. Many different cards out there....chipsets, vidmem. etc.
I have a Radeon9800 Pro....and guess what....my vid mem eventually equals the amount of vid mem used. I might start game say at 70 vidmem used, but after flying awhile it creeps up to match the vidmem of my card. Totally used. This eventually leads to a ctd....usually suffered in a large multiplane engagement.
In closing (finally) methinks that we can't really understand why someone might have an issue with in the +/- debate...mainly because of the wide variety of vid configs in the game, and the variety of machine setups involved.
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Kweesa's Wall 'O Text ... :D
Are you a lawyer by any chance ? Cause you can really lay it on thick so that the real issue is smothered by a mountain of facts that really have no teeth. If situations, such as you have described, are so difficult to judge in RL, then that would only bolster the fact that similar situations displayed on a 2D image would need more indicators to aid in making decisions.
HiTech and Aces High will NEVER be able to duplicate, on a computer monitor, what I can see in RL. I know it, you know it, and so does everybody else know it.
The bottom line is that myself and others who have a hard time focusing on the pixels (especially against these backgrounds) really need some sort of indicator of closure/separation at certain points of this game to make it ENJOYABLE and PLAYABLE.
I don't need no stinkin' crutch and I don't consider this a crutch. If HT was to take this away, I will deal with it. I won't stamp my feet on the ground and threaten to quit or insult him.
If he keeps it, I don't really think the Aces High will receive a "black eye", and in time, discussions such as this will fade away.
Right now, it's the "realism" junkies who feel the need to pressure HT at this point in development to make things "more real". Thats good up to a certain point and on certain aspects of this game, but when it comes to sacraficing real and phsyical handicaps for "realsim", then things have gone in the wrong direction.
The mere fact that HT even released this tells me that he, or someone on the HTC staff, or someone that he trusts, has the same problem as myself and others. If HT didn't believe that this was needed, I fail to believe that he would put this out for the masses to see. Once you release something like this to the masses, it is very hard to take it back ... that is why a lot of thought must have been put into releasing this.
Does this + - indicator really ruin the total experience for you while flying Aces High ? any more than it did with the old icon yardage indicators ?
Again, a mountain is being made out of a molehill on this. Move on and find something else "real" to change/add.
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Many of the most skilled fighter pilots in WWII had EXTREMELY good eyesight. It was a distinct advantage in combat over a pilot who only had good eyesight. It makes me wonder why I should not also benefit in the virtual skies from my above average eyesight. Mine even at age 40 is still 20-10, better than half of the USAAF in 1943.
I wonder that until I take it full measure and realize what my overall physiology is now compared to that a 24 year old WWII fighter pilot in 1943. I fear what would happen to me at 5Gs, or even 3 Gs for any sustained period. I know for a fact that there are F15E jocks who play this game that would clean my clock if my physical limitations came into play.
The only point being that this game needs to have the playing field evened out for those with beer bellies or those have poor eyesight, or even those in wheelchairs. I'd still throw my vote in for the old beta style range counters because I thought it more realistic (that you have to watch a con for 3 seconds rather than 1/2 second to determine closure rates at 2 miles distance) but will accept the new method as well in the interest of fairness and eliminating the physical barriers of RL in relation to our virtual skies.
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Yes I have done more than enough to make sure my machine is running clean and smooth. I am very PC literate.
Sounds like your machine should be pretty clean. The only reason I rasied the point is that some people are complaining and then you find out they are running IM in the background, or something like that.
You can never be too sure though. I am pretty careful about attachments, etc. and i run antivirus and adaware and update the definitions, use mozilla -- but today I discovered I picked up a "win32:inservice trojan" on my work machine. Now, my version of Nortons is a bit outdated (the engine), and even with updated definitions it just didn't catch it apparently. Though I don't open strange attachments, it might have got in through an "install plugin" type of thing. My machine has been functional but a little buggy (slow at times, occasional lockups, minor odd stuff) for the last two months, and I assumed it was due to corruption from one of the sharware video editors I had tried and uninstalled recently (maybe even where I got the trojan).
I would never have found the true cause (all the scans showed negative) except that I received a bounced email that I know I didn't send, and did some google searches using some of the limited clear text in the email. Once discovered, even some of the latest"cleaners" couldn't find it when scanning. I finally downloaded AVAST antivirus and that's taking care of it. I would have fixed it though with my fresh reformat/install planned for next weekend, but been none the wiser.
Charon
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Many of the most skilled fighter pilots in WWII had EXTREMELY good eyesight. It was a distinct advantage in combat over a pilot who only had good eyesight. It makes me wonder why I should not also benefit in the virtual skies from my above average eyesight. Mine even at age 40 is still 20-10, better than half of the USAAF in 1943.
I wonder that until I take it full measure and realize what my overall physiology is now compared to that a 24 year old WWII fighter pilot in 1943. I fear what would happen to me at 5Gs, or even 3 Gs for any sustained period. I know for a fact that there are F15E jocks who play this game that would clean my clock if my physical limitations came into play.
The only point being that this game needs to have the playing field evened out for those with beer bellies or those have poor eyesight, or even those in wheelchairs. I'd still throw my vote in for the old beta style range counters because I thought it more realistic (that you have to watch a con for 3 seconds rather than 1/2 second to determine closure rates at 2 miles distance) but will accept the new method as well in the interest of fairness and eliminating the physical barriers of RL in relation to our virtual skies.
Your a good man Edbert. Someone who can see the forest thru the trees.
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The only point being that this game needs to have the playing field evened out for those with beer bellies or those have poor eyesight, or even those in wheelchairs.
Everyone pitch in and we'll get slap a seeing eye dog. :D Teach him to bark once to break right, twice to break left and three times to pull the trigger.:D
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Morph...:D
BTW...whats this...you back burnnered AH2?
Cant blame ya. I would have done the same. First i didnt have too. The game is doing it for me. 6CDTs in an hour last sat. I cringe at the thought of even saying it out loud here. you know. The suggestions of the obvious and the "You need another upgrade" thing. Before patch 2 no trouble. Now with the last 2 patches CTD galor...weird eh? As you know...i have a AH ONLY PC. Nothing runs in the background ect. Nothing has changed on my end. Just awaiting the next patch to see what happens.
Secondly i have a commitment to the squad and i will be in the tower on squad nights from now till the patch me up.
Yep MugZ, taking a long extended posibly forever break...
I built a completly new box to run AH2 along with a few other on line games but my home was AH for 2+ years. Its not that I can't run AH2, I just dont want to. Nothings fun for me in it anymore and there are just too many things that anoy the crap out of me that its just not worth my time playing it to get anoyed...
People like soupboy for instance. Who puff out their chest and make weak attempts to belittle others. Who would rather see the game turned into MS Flight Sim than remain the Aces High its always been. Nah, not worth the time nor the agrivation.
I will still keep my account in support of HTC and helping them to grow... But my playing days have come to an end for a long time to come...
It was fun while it lasted... And I'm sure it'll be fun again... Just not any time soon for me.
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Originally posted by Charon
Sounds like your machine should be pretty clean. The only reason I rasied the point is that some people are complaining and then you find out they are running IM in the background, or something like that.
You can never be too sure though. I am pretty careful about attachments, etc. and i run antivirus and adaware and update the definitions, use mozilla -- but today I discovered I picked up a "win32:inservice trojan" on my work machine. Now, my version of Nortons is a bit outdated (the engine), and even with updated definitions it just didn't catch it apparently. Though I don't open strange attachments, it might have got in through an "install plugin" type of thing. My machine has been functional but a little buggy (slow at times, occasional lockups, minor odd stuff) for the last two months, and I assumed it was due to corruption from one of the sharware video editors I had tried and uninstalled recently (maybe even where I got the trojan).
I would never have found the true cause (all the scans showed negative) except that I received a bounced email that I know I didn't send, and did some google searches using some of the limited clear text in the email. Once discovered, even some of the latest"cleaners" couldn't find it when scanning. I finally downloaded AVAST antivirus and that's taking care of it. I would have fixed it though with my fresh reformat/install planned for next weekend, but been none the wiser.
Charon
Keep poundin away...you will track it down...we always do. :)
and rgr on the "Cant be too sure" I am constantly updating windows...Card drivers...cleaning house..and so on. Its the necessary evil of PCs subjected to the internet.
Thanks
Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Yep MugZ, taking a long extended posibly forever break...
I built a completly new box to run AH2 along with a few other on line games but my home was AH for 2+ years. Its not that I can't run AH2, I just dont want to. Nothings fun for me in it anymore and there are just too many things that anoy the crap out of me that its just not worth my time playing it to get anoyed...
People like soupboy for instance. Who puff out their chest and make weak attempts to belittle others. Who would rather see the game turned into MS Flight Sim than remain the Aces High its always been. Nah, not worth the time nor the agrivation.
I will still keep my account in support of HTC and helping them to grow... But my playing days have come to an end for a long time to come...
It was fun while it lasted... And I'm sure it'll be fun again... Just not any time soon for me.
Stay close by Morph...And keep in touch :)