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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Capt. Pork on June 27, 2004, 05:26:07 PM
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I was arguing with a friend of mine on the topic of fishing hooks that rust away after a couple of days, thus, ostensibly relieving any fish that may have broken a line of prolonged pain. He said that it was a load of BS, that no metal can degrade that fast.
Does anyone here have factual information regarding these modern, supposedly bio-degradeable hooks, or was he right and this whole thing just a fallacy.
Thanks in advance.
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Is this maybe what you are speaking about:
link (http://www.roysbait-tackle.com/lures/fishbites.htm)
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I've never heard of them... and I'm pretty sure I would have if they were real.
It's law up here to clamp down the barbs though, which results in a lot of fish shaking the hook. The problem with fish that have broken the line and are swimmin' around with hooks does happen, but it's soooo rare now.
Has a net search not come up with anything? I'd be interested in hearing about it. But, not holding my breath.
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hooks do degrade, that's one reason they arent made out of stainless steel or even plastic
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Is this maybe what you are speaking about:
link (http://www.roysbait-tackle.com/lures/fishbites.htm)
Those are synthetic baits, not hooks.
IMHO, the belief that these "biodegradable" hooks will go away in two days is a load of poo! Maybe if they were pure magnesium they might degrade in a week or so (but they'd be brittle as hell), and more than likely the water contacted parts would corrode and the stuff in the fish would stay behind to cause an infection....
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Well, I didn't find a whole lot on the web either. What I'd heard about hooks falling apart was mostly from friends and on one occasion, a Chesapeake waterman.
There might be a way to make them work, however, and that would be to make the hook out of two layers of material--some sort of fast-oxidizing metal as a sheath(microperforated) and something synthetic that reacts to long-periods of moisture by swelling. The result would be, as the water penetrates to the core, the interior of the hook would expand and crack the outer layer, causing it to fall apart. Of course this would probably cost a too much to make it feasible and end up either not working most of the time or poisoning the fish.
Thanks for the responses.
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Bah, biodegradable hooks.... That takes all the fun out of stepping on a rusty old hook:aok
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That is why you never use SS hooks offshore. Always plain finish, and if you are really serious freshly sanded. Provided the fish doesn't work it out beforehand, a 9-aught probably won't last a year.
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There are such this as bio-degradable hooks, but the process doesnt take place in a few days, let alone a few weeks, months.... maybe.
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As a fisherman and a scuba diver, I can tell you that hooks corrode pretty darned fast. A day or so? No, but much faster than you might think.
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Originally posted by Nash
I've never heard of them... and I'm pretty sure I would have if they were real.
It's law up here to clamp down the barbs though, which results in a lot of fish shaking the hook. The problem with fish that have broken the line and are swimmin' around with hooks does happen, but it's soooo rare now.
Has a net search not come up with anything? I'd be interested in hearing about it. But, not holding my breath.
WOW you mean you cant have barbs on your hooks were ever it is that you live? Sounds like a peta induced law to me. If I remember correctly fish dont feel pain like we do so what would be wrong with them havin hooks in stuck in them? I can see a problem if they had 500ft of line as well but my experience the line breaks near the hook.
that sucks....do the game wardens and such actually enforce those laws?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If I remember correctly fish dont feel pain like we do so what would be wrong with them havin hooks in stuck in them?
Fish feel pain. :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If I remember correctly fish dint feel pain like we do so what would be wrong with them having hooks in stuck in them?
Simple test:
Find someone with a fish tank, grab up one of their precious fish, spray that sucker down with pepper spray, drop it back into the tank.
Then time how long it takes that thing to stop bouncing of the sides of the tank.
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I've never heard of biodegradable hooks.
What are popular now are "circle" hooks. The hook point is turned in.
A fish eats the bait and hooks itself when it swims away. It's crucial NOT to set the hook at all.
Sort of hard to visualize but what happens is the point isn't exposed till it catches on the inside of the fishes' mouth.
Therefore, it's about 99.99% impossible to ever "gut hook" a fish. (In 5 years of using them and catching perhaps 500+ fish, I've only gut-hooked ONE fish, an overenthusiastic bluefish, with them.)
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Originally posted by quig
Simple test:
Find someone with a fish tank, grab up one of their precious fish, spray that sucker down with pepper spray, drop it back into the tank.
Then time how long it takes that thing to stop bouncing of the sides of the tank.
Thanks to you I have a dead fish. You owe me. WTG, moron. :p
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
Thanks to you I have a dead fish. You owe me. WTG, moron. :p
Funny....
When I did it the poor bastard lasted almost an hour.
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:lol
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It's not about Peta. It's a bunch of fisherman who got together and came up with ways to ensure that there's gonna continue to be great fishing here for decades.
Hell, you can't even fish with bait.
Simply having a barb on your hook results in something like 15 or 20% of the fish end up dying from the trauma. From time to time I've forgotten to clamp the barb down, and trying to get a fish off one of these things can be ugly and time consuming. You half rip the fish's face off.
You don't see many guys here catchin' fish to eat them. In fact it's pretty taboo, and the guys that fish with a spin caster, a club and a cooler, while rare around here, are viewed as complete tools. It's a pretty serious sport, and the Bow River is probably in the top 5 trout rivers in the world. I'm pretty thankful for these rules... the fish are HUGE and there's lots of them. So what do I care about the rest of it?
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Originally posted by Nash
It's not about Peta. It's a bunch of fisherman who got together and came up with ways to ensure that there's gonna continue to be great fishing here for decades.
Hell, you can't even fish with bait.
Simply having a barb on your hook results in something like 15 or 20% of the fish end up dying from the trauma. From time to time I've forgotten to clamp the barb down, and trying to get a fish off one of these things can be ugly and time consuming. You half rip the fish's face off.
You don't see many guys here catchin' fish to eat them. In fact it's pretty taboo, and the guys that fish with a spin caster, a club and a cooler, while rare around here, are viewed as complete tools. It's a pretty serious sport, and the Bow River is probably in the top 5 trout rivers in the world. I'm pretty thankful for these rules... the fish are HUGE and there's lots of them. So what do I care about the rest of it?
well that makes sense from a sporting aspect. I don't understand why peta has such a big deal about fishing....people have been doing it for centuries.
I havnt been fishing for a LONG time but I did eat the last thing I caught.....10lb catfish fried w/ some lemon served with homestyle potatoes and gravey! :)
not to hijack the thread or anything but most hunters/fishermen are also conservationists. They beleive and keeping the land that they hunt/fish on beautiful and do infact care about the animals they are hunting. Peta can still kiss my prettythang.
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haha.. you guys are sick! :D
Who pepper sprays a fish? :)
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You're exactly right Gunslinger.
I never really bought into that idea so much until I started getting into it myself. But man is it ever true. Fishermen, hunters, ranchers etc., care more about this stuff than any lobbyist could ever... because they personally depend on it.
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Originally posted by Nash
Hell, you can't even fish with bait.
I don't wanna give myself away as totally naive, but how does it work without bait?
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I was arguing with a friend of mine on the topic of fishing hooks that rust away after a couple of days
Kill yourself. Hell, take Udie with you.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I don't wanna give myself away as totally naive, but how does it work without bait?
It confused me when I first heard about it too. It means any substance that attracts fish by scent and/or flavour. So like, even worms for example.
The reason is, when ya hook a fish with a fly they generally get hooked in the lip. With bait, the fish tend to swollow these and the hook gets into their stomach or gills. ~25% of trout caught with bait die.
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Nash is exactly correct... same goes for the species of fish I tend to fish for: Bass, Walleye, Northern, muskie.... etc. Seems like using live bait is almost cheating. Also, in my experience, the really big fish are just too smart for live bait(could be completely untrue as a rule, just my experience). Biggest fish in about any species I've caught have been caught on artificial.
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Someone call Storch, he's the master of fish hooks.
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Originally posted by quig
Simple test:
Find someone with a fish tank, grab up one of their precious fish, spray that sucker down with pepper spray, drop it back into the tank.
Then time how long it takes that thing to stop bouncing of the sides of the tank.
I have a fresh water and a salt water fish tank, I have a Repalla 13-G (3 sets of trebel hooks) in the fresh water tank hooked to a branch (to look like a real slice of a lake) it has been in there for 3 years and yes the hooks are rusty but a long way from being gone. I started an experment in the saltwater tank about 6 month ago with a stainless hooked lure in the same way and the hooks are starting to get rusty a bit but will last for a long time before desolving.
I bet in a fish they would be subject to more degradeing but rusting away in days, no way.
I have been scuba diving on wrecks and reefs and have recovered lures in very nice shape (cleaned them up sharpened the hooks and fished them)
Just a home spun experment but there you go
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Fish hooks will corrode but not in a few days. More like a few months. We were spear fishing off of Hollywood Beach and my brother comes up a with a snook. I was about to lay into him for spearing a snook when he shows me the hook and long leader. He managed to grab the leader and haul the sucker back. Since it wasn't speared it was a legal keeper. I'm just glad we didn't have to explain it to any marine patrols though.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I don't wanna give myself away as totally naive, but how does it work without bait?
I've caught more than one peacock bass with just a shiny hook retrieved quickly. If you use a spoon or a crank bait it works better. Certain species are very aggressive and at certain times of the year hit moving objects.
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Last yr while surfing the net trying to find info on any local Muskie fishing spots I came across an article on this very subject...
A study was done on the effects of bait fishing for muskie trying to determine the survival rate of fish who swallowed the hooks....
All those that did swallow the hook were tagged and monitored.
Within a year all had perished, minus a couple which were MIA.
Just passin it on...
SKurj