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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: devil22 on June 28, 2004, 12:33:19 AM
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ok, this has been bugging me for the longest time now. i like the 262, but 1 problem. i can never use it since it cost so much. that in and of it self is not the problem. the problem is when i see it jump to a "price" low enough for me to risk my hard earned points on it, it says i dont have enough points/one time it said the 262 was gonna cost me 46 points, i figured since i had at the time about 150 points or so, what the heck, that is low enough not to hurt should i lose the 262. well i went to click it, and (keep in mind at the time, while i was in the hanger it said COST 46 perk points) you do not have enough for this model. i looked at it in disbelief. it was showing that it cost 46 points, and it said i did not have enough points when i had 3x or so what it cost. i asked other players what the deal was. they said refresh the hanger, and sure enough when i came back in the cost jumped 6 fold. i think that the cost it is displaying is what the cost should be, if it rises while in the hanger, it should still cost what the displayed cost is. since while in the hanger you have no idea the cost is rising, then you should pay the price displayed when u first entered the hanger for that particular flight. is that too much to ask, to pay what it said it cost when u first entered the hanger? i think not. sorry for the length, but im PO'ed bout this. need help fixin it.
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You will only see a large difference when you first enter the arena.
The FE shows an estimation of the price, based on how many people are in the arena. The real price is based on how many the host has in the arena.
HiTech
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so basically it never cost what it says it cost. so if it were to say 46 points it really cost more than i have, even if i have 3-4 times what its cost is displayed. i see how it is. to ever beable to fly the 262 i guess i have to have 1000's of points so that a hit of 190 wont hurt that much. but that is never gonna happen, so i guess the 262 will always be a forbidden fruit in main arena reserved for those who have a rank 500 or better. it seems like those are the people who have the points to burn and couldnt care less on how much a perk item will cost them, since the prices i have seen average far less than they have. thanks hurt the little guy more.
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If you would wait 15 secs after entering the arena it would be withing 1% of the real cost. Once you have all player information from the intial load, and then if no one enters or leaves while you are in the hangar, it will be the exact cost.
HiTech
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my point is very simple. the cost while in the hanger does not move once u get in. i waited 10 minutes one time, and the entire time it said the cost was 46 points, yet every time i tried to select the plane, it kept sayin i did not have enough points for that model. but hitech your answer to my original post was the perfect buricratic non answer answer with a side of evasion. all i am asking is to have the perked item cost what it says it cost when you first enter the bloody hanger. the way you have it set up now, keeps us little guy from using some of the best fighters out there. the way it is now, the perk planes and gv and bomber are rank 500 or better only. the current system does not fucntion. i am and have been an awesome pilot with the 262, but since the cost is far more than i am willing to risk, namely ALL or MOST of MY HARD EARNED perk points it is to nervwracking to fly. namely the current perk system forces you if you have a low amount of points like me, to fly so cowardly and tentative that you tend to make more mistakes than if you could fly knowing that hey, if i lose this flight, its only 40 points or 20. but when ur like me and have 198 points and the cost is sitting at 160 or higher it is not worth the risk. but go ahead keep the 262 a rank 500 or better exclusive. keep reenforcing rank 500 or better GOD COMPLEXES. and keep us little 1000 or worse ranked pilots faces shoved in the dirt. good job, good show. encore encore
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something i need to mention. im not tryin to make trouble, but trying to get an honest and to the point non evasive answer. when ur in the hanger the point cost does not visably change at all. just make it cost what it SAY IT COST and not have hidden fees and stuff. this seems more like banking in the black market.
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Originally posted by devil22
my point is very simple. the cost while in the hanger does not move once u get in. i waited 10 minutes one time, and the entire time it said the cost was 46 points, yet every time i tried to select the plane, it kept sayin i did not have enough points for that model. but hitech your answer to my original post was the perfect buricratic non answer answer with a side of evasion. all i am asking is to have the perked item cost what it says it cost when you first enter the bloody hanger. the way you have it set up now, keeps us little guy from using some of the best fighters out there. the way it is now, the perk planes and gv and bomber are rank 500 or better only. the current system does not fucntion. i am and have been an awesome pilot with the 262, but since the cost is far more than i am willing to risk, namely ALL or MOST of MY HARD EARNED perk points it is to nervwracking to fly. namely the current perk system forces you if you have a low amount of points like me, to fly so cowardly and tentative that you tend to make more mistakes than if you could fly knowing that hey, if i lose this flight, its only 40 points or 20. but when ur like me and have 198 points and the cost is sitting at 160 or higher it is not worth the risk. but go ahead keep the 262 a rank 500 or better exclusive. keep reenforcing rank 500 or better GOD COMPLEXES. and keep us little 1000 or worse ranked pilots faces shoved in the dirt. good job, good show. encore encore
What the heck does rank have to do with getting perks to fly a perk plane.
I am ranked 719th right now, but I also average 10 kill per hour. Do that in a Spit V and you will be able to fly any perk plane within a very short period of time.
Being able to fly perk planes (getting perk points) revolves around what plane you fly, what planes you shoot down, and your surviabilty after scoring the kills. Rank does not figure into scoring perk points and be able to fly perk planes.
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You will not get what your asking for devil. Best I could do is add a refresh button, or you could just click tower, then back to hangar. But the host and client can still be some what out of sync.
HiTech
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Originally posted by devil22
the way you have it set up now, keeps us little guy from using some of the best fighters out there. the way it is now, the perk planes and gv and bomber are rank 500 or better only. the current system does not fucntion. i am and have been an awesome pilot with the 262, but since the cost is far more than i am willing to risk, namely ALL or MOST of MY HARD EARNED perk points it is to nervwracking to fly. namely the current perk system forces you if you have a low amount of points like me, to fly so cowardly and tentative that you tend to make more mistakes than if you could fly knowing that hey, if i lose this flight, its only 40 points or 20. but when ur like me and have 198 points and the cost is sitting at 160 or higher it is not worth the risk. but go ahead keep the 262 a rank 500 or better exclusive. keep reenforcing rank 500 or better GOD COMPLEXES. and keep us little 1000 or worse ranked pilots faces shoved in the dirt. good job, good show. encore encore
LMAO
Hitech, Pyro, You guys have my permission to deduct 200 perk points from me and give them to devil22.
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slapshot. i was usin the 500 rank as a break point, but you illustrate my point, the better you are ranked the faster you pull in kills, and the faster you get points. if u r ranked like me, 1555 or worse, you average 0-1 kills in 5 hours, and it aint from a lack of trying. well hitech you made my day. so i can never trust my eyes when i see a perk item cost, from now on its the rule of 10X, multiply cost by 10. thanks, you just eliminated my ability to fly the perk planes. i can never trust the cost displayed. well for all of you ranked below 900 or so, use the perk planes with honor and remember us little guys who you have to stand on to get where you are at. it would appear that HTC values its best pilots, but takes all our money just the same, and listens and responds favorably to the best. congrats to the beuracracy and the snobbisim. tho a rerfresh button might help some.
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lol - give him an extra 25 perks on top of that.....
too funny!
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waffle, i cannot demonstrate my skill with a 262 in main arena due to its cost, the cost looms over me like a sword on a thread. but laugh all u want. i am willing to bet u r ranked in the low 100's or better right? but if hitech or pyro will give me ur points ill take them all the same.
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here is an idea waffle y not just give me all ur fighter perk points if i am so funny to u
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Just promise me you'll use it on HQ patrol and be carefull landing :)
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as long as you give me the points i will :)
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Devil22,
If you'd pay attention to what HTC is saying you'd understand.
When you login the Hangar is not yet fully updated, therefore the perk points cost is not correct on your computer yet.
Next time login, and hang out in the tower for a few minutes looking over the map to see what's going on and where. Then go to the the hangar and pick your 262.
Rank has absolutley nothing to do with using perk points. Where did you get that crazy idea?
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mosq if you had been paying attention u would understand my point. when i tried to use a 262 when it said it cost 46 fu^^ing points, i had been in the game almost 4 hours at that point. also once in the hanger the cost to does change while u are in there. sit in a hanger and watch the 262 point cost, it does not change while u r in the hanger. it sits at a fixed point. all i ask is to pay what the thing says it cost. not have to pay a cost i cannot see when i choose to take off. i and you should have to pay the displayed cost at the time of bird or gv selection
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and my point about rank is this simple. the better your rank the faster YOU AS A PLAYER are aquiring points per flight. lets say for example you are ranked 40th in main arena, that means that you as a player kill more times than you get killed, and you land those kills with a higher frequency. that is what rank has to do with this. take me for example, last time i checked i was ranked 1555 out of what 5000 players or so. on average in an air to air engagement i will kill 0-1 plane in about 4 hours. i get killed more times in 30 minutes than i kill in 30 hours. and this is not from a lack of trying. i engage as often as i can when i think i have a better advantage. soon enough i am dead or have a fuel leak or bloody pilot or oil on the windows and am forced to sent packing for home.
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Originally posted by devil22
slapshot. i was usin the 500 rank as a break point, but you illustrate my point, the better you are ranked the faster you pull in kills, and the faster you get points. if u r ranked like me, 1555 or worse, you average 0-1 kills in 5 hours, and it aint from a lack of trying. well hitech you made my day. so i can never trust my eyes when i see a perk item cost, from now on its the rule of 10X, multiply cost by 10. thanks, you just eliminated my ability to fly the perk planes. i can never trust the cost displayed. well for all of you ranked below 900 or so, use the perk planes with honor and remember us little guys who you have to stand on to get where you are at. it would appear that HTC values its best pilots, but takes all our money just the same, and listens and responds favorably to the best. congrats to the beuracracy and the snobbisim. tho a rerfresh button might help some.
Wrong.
Shane is one of the worst players in here. He is currently ranked 2645 and still gets 10+ kills per hour. Your rank is MUCH better than his so you should be able to do the same, and earn all the perks you could ever want.
congrats to the beuracracy and the snobbisim. tho a rerfresh button might help some
It sounded liek HT probably was considering creating a "refesh" button, but I have a feeling that hell will freeze over before that happens after your tactful remark.
My granny use to say ...
"You'll get more with honey than you will with vinegar".
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Originally posted by devil22
congrats to the beuracracy and the snobbisim. tho a rerfresh button might help some.
slapshot had you read the next line you would have seen me agree about the refresh button. and to your granny slapshot: i catch more flies with my hands than with honey or vinegar. as for shane, i cant explain him, tho i remember a time when he was ranked 900 or better.
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Originally posted by devil22
and my point about rank is this simple. the better your rank the faster YOU AS A PLAYER are aquiring points per flight. lets say for example you are ranked 40th in main arena, that means that you as a player kill more times than you get killed, and you land those kills with a higher frequency. that is what rank has to do with this. take me for example, last time i checked i was ranked 1555 out of what 5000 players or so. on average in an air to air engagement i will kill 0-1 plane in about 4 hours. i get killed more times in 30 minutes than i kill in 30 hours. and this is not from a lack of trying. i engage as often as i can when i think i have a better advantage. soon enough i am dead or have a fuel leak or bloody pilot or oil on the windows and am forced to sent packing for home.
Wrong again.
C00RS is currently ranked #3 and he only gets 6.66 kills per hour. Now compare that to Shane's ranking and his kills per hour. Your logic is way off and I don't believe that you understand how the ranking system works.
Again ... rank is not an indication of how quickly one can obtain perks. Don't let the ranking system fool you.
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then y not eliminate the ranking system and perk point system as well. in my oppinion the perk point system should go back to the way it used to be. a fixed price for perk planes. that system was stable. if we have to have perk points then we should go back to the way it was when i first stated out in aces high 1 way back when. the 262 cost 200 points 24 hours a day. no guess work. but i think we should get rid of the perk point system, or re work it, so that all players are given an alloted amount of points per month or are alotted a certain amount of flights in "Perk" planes and othe "perk" items. that way ever1 can fly nething at netime, with out wprry of price, just how many times in a given time frame they have gotten that item outta the hanger.
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oops on spelling wprry = worry
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Originally posted by devil22
slapshot had you read the next line you would have seen me agree about the refresh button. and to your granny slapshot: i catch more flies with my hands than with honey or vinegar. as for shane, i cant explain him, tho i remember a time when he was ranked 900 or better.
Thats the point.
On one hand you call him a beuracrat and a snob and on the other hand you say, well that would be nice if you did that for me.
That wouldn't fly with me. The damage was done in the first line.
The reason why you can't explain the "Shane" conundrum is that you don't really understand the ranking system.
Take a look at the top 10 ranked guys ... Shane for the most part would smoke most of those guys. He just doesn't choose to play the "rank" game ... along with a lot of us.
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im not here to run damage control for what i say or do. all i want is an equal chance to fly perk planes, but with the system that is in place currently, i can not. and again it is not from a lack of trying. the rank system to me is just a snide way for others to say "I am the best there is because I am ranked X out of X players. You can never beat me because you are ranked X out of X players, and you are ranked far below me." I choose not to play the rank game either. but every time i see a player land 4, 6 ,8, 10, 19 kills in a 262 the first bloody thing i do is look at their rank, and what do i see, 900 or better, usually avereageing 200 or better. that simple, that painful, that bad.
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Originally posted by devil22
then y not eliminate the ranking system and perk point system as well. in my oppinion the perk point system should go back to the way it used to be. a fixed price for perk planes. that system was stable. if we have to have perk points then we should go back to the way it was when i first stated out in aces high 1 way back when. the 262 cost 200 points 24 hours a day. no guess work. but i think we should get rid of the perk point system, or re work it, so that all players are given an alloted amount of points per month or are alotted a certain amount of flights in "Perk" planes and othe "perk" items. that way ever1 can fly nething at netime, with out wprry of price, just how many times in a given time frame they have gotten that item outta the hanger.
In the middle of your angst, you failed to see this from HT ..
If you would wait 15 secs after entering the arena it would be withing 1% of the real cost.
Anytime you enter the hanger, pick your perk plane, the variance from what you thought it cost to what it really cost will only vary by 1%. So if you go into the hanger and see the cost at 100 perks, then the real cost might be 101 perks. This is no out of hand IMO and something that I can deal with.
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no i saw that plain as day, but what no1 sees is that i waited 10 minutes and the cost stayed locked at 46 points. once in the hanger THE COST DOES NOT MOVE AT ALL unless you refresh the list.
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if the cost changed as u sit and watch i wouldnt have a problem with it, but it does not change as you look at it. it stays fixed to where it was when you entered no matter how long you sit and wait. 20 seconds 20 hours, it will stay the same while in the hanger, tho for others it is changing as they enter the hanger, but for you it does not show visible changes.
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Originally posted by devil22
im not here to run damage control for what i say or do. all i want is an equal chance to fly perk planes, but with the system that is in place currently, i can not. and again it is not from a lack of trying. the rank system to me is just a snide way for others to say "I am the best there is because I am ranked X out of X players. You can never beat me because you are ranked X out of X players, and you are ranked far below me." I choose not to play the rank game either. but every time i see a player land 4, 6 ,8, 10, 19 kills in a 262 the first bloody thing i do is look at their rank, and what do i see, 900 or better, usually avereageing 200 or better. that simple, that painful, that bad.
No damage control needed. You are saying things that are not correct and believe it or not, I am trying to help you understand so that it doesn't upset you.
I have a challenge for you.
You already have 2 captures in a GV.
1) Get 2 captures in a goon.
2) Take a Stuka with the 4000 Kg bomg to a fresh strat and drop that sucker right in the middle and land it.
I can almost guarantee that you will cut your rank in half which would bring you down into the "magic" numbers.
Now ... have those 2 things made you a better pilot than you are right now at 1589?
Could you then say in all honesty to guy that is ranked 1000 ... "I am a better pilot than you cause I am now ranked 759".
Rank only means something to those who play the rank game.
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Originally posted by devil22
if the cost changed as u sit and watch i wouldnt have a problem with it, but it does not change as you look at it. it stays fixed to where it was when you entered no matter how long you sit and wait. 20 seconds 20 hours, it will stay the same while in the hanger, tho for others it is changing as they enter the hanger, but for you it does not show visible changes.
Absolutly correct. The failing has been pointed out and the solution or "work around" is ...
1) go to the hanger and pick the plane immediatly and lauch the sortie.
2) If you hang around in the hanger, then you simply have to go out and come back in to get the new number.
Not so hard now that its been explained and something that we all will have to do unless HT can find it in his heart to implement the "refresh" button.
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If a 262 showed only 46 points in the MA I am thinking you were looking at the wrong plane. I have never seen a 262 that low except as H/T was saying when you first enter the arena. As far as earning perk points is concerned rank means nothing as Slappy was saying. Earning perks is easy if you are flying as much as you say and killing as poorly as you say then some time in the training arena would be of great help to you. Or find a squad that trains. Please dont take this as a jab at you even if it sounds like one. If you cant get kills now. Flying the 262 is not going to help. Its easly broken and a VERY difficult plane to get kills in. Not to mention every enemy plane in the arena will step on each other to get a shot at you. My first ride in a 262 lasted all of 10 mins of climbing and one lawn dart into the ground on my first dive. Took me several weeks to earn them perks too. Now I have 10000 fighter perks and still I still suck but I manage to earn perk points as fast as I need them. If you are interested in doing some training let us know many including myself will be happy to help.
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Originally posted by devil22
but every time i see a player land 4, 6 ,8, 10, 19 kills in a 262 the first bloody thing i do is look at their rank, and what do i see, 900 or better, usually avereageing 200 or better. that simple, that painful, that bad.
Not true I landed 5 kills sat at the a44 furball and 4 kills sunday at same furball.
When you see somebody like fester landing 10+ kills in anything its not the plane its the pilot.
As the bartender in the right stuff says. There are 2 kinds of pilots hot pilots that get the hot rides and pudknockers that get the rest. Now what would you two pudknockers like to drink.
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look, i know its the pilot, and the line is as follows, better ranked better kill ratio. i have 124 kills and 155 deaths, 31 more deaths than kills. i like to try and train in FFA and out in MA. ice ty for the offer, but u r not a bishop (least i dont think the MAW is a bish squad. and you were not jabbing at me at all)
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Absolutly correct. The failing has been pointed out and the solution or "work around" is ...
1) go to the hanger and pick the plane immediatly and lauch the sortie.
2) If you hang around in the hanger, then you simply have to go out and come back in to get the new number.
Not so hard now that its been explained and something that we all will have to do unless HT can find it in his heart to implement the "refresh" button.
look when i first saw the 262 costing 46 points, and yes it really was a 262 i tried to launch as soon as i saw it, i had only been in the hanger long enough to see that it was 46pts, try to select and launch ( 6 seconds at most was my time till first error message) and saw it say i didnt have enough points(i think that day we bishops were out numbered 3-1 by knit and rook combined) i looked just above it and grayed out and costing only 15 was the 163.