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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HaHa on January 01, 2001, 04:51:00 PM
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I am in no mood to start a flame war with the AH thumpers. Treating customers with a little bit of respect is important (muting them for 10 mins is not respect (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif))
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 01-01-2001).]
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 01-01-2001).]
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1984..... Big Brother is watching you!
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I dont usually get involved in these things, but it seems like anytime HT comes online alot whines and questions come out. As far as I know the standard rule is when he's blue u can ask all u want, but when he's flying he just wants to fly. This is his standard rule and is very well known. I dont think it was just you.
I was online at the time u speak of, and i know for a fact that you weren't the only one asking/whining whatever u want to call it. I even cautioned a couple of my own squad members about it. When he's flying leave him alone, he just wants to fly. HTC does enuf work for us already, without constantly badgering them.
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Kronos
CO No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death" http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/ (http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/)
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The only way I can show my disgust is to 1) delete my account and 2) post here. I have now done both - well done - excellent customer service. I didn't realize that AH was HTs little online "playing god" game, until now.
Aces High is his game and he can do what he wants to so he is in essence god around here. If you cannot accept that fact your decision to stop playing was correct.
Aces High is the best WWII online game at the moment. Good luck finding other game with this good value for money.
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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I've got to agree with HaHa to an extent on this. While there are times I wish there was a squelch the staff when they are online, a paying customer has a right to ask. To be muted or what have you would piss me off too.
I'm not far behind you , Haha. This 1.05 is awful BetaWare. I've got a huge collection of games and I've written reviews for many of them for prominent publications, both print and online. The present attitude in here is if you spot a really blantant bug/problem, the HTC cheerleaders flame you with a "How dare you complain about this game?".
If a game has 3 patches out in a span of a week, that tells me the beta testing wasnt done, and we're all paying for that. Because as it sits now, I find 1.05 almost unplayabe compared to the 1.04 version. Falling through the carrier deck, crashing on deck in misions (or when ship turning) and numerous other flaws mentioned are just plain sloppy in my opinion.
Anyone else miss the ground war? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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Sounds to me like HT was trying to make the game just a tad bit more enjoyable for everyone else on-line at the time.
AKDejaVu
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Well done HT.
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I never type to HT when he is online! Even if he is in blue. I may say hello, but that is about it. Sure I play the SIM he developed and markets, but I am nothing more than a $30 payment every month to him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh! And typing to HT about your concerns with the F4U-C is a waste of time. You would get more attention by going outside and talking to a tree! Just my opinion.
Have a Nice Day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Quite frankly HaHa I belive I treated you with more respect then you gave or give me.
"HT this is getting ridiculous, there is like 90% f4us now."
If this isn't anything but a huge whine I don't know what is. Let alone telling me somthing like this, when im not working and just out to have fun. It's like comming up to some actor at a sporting even't when they are there just to enjoy the game, and you come up to them and say, hey your last movie suck's I realy hate this one piece. And btw now your telling us that the actor should just sit there and listen to your comments because you payed for the movie.
There are places for discussing issues but making statements like this over country or open channel just hurt's AH, does nothing but lessens everyones fun.
HiTech
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Originally posted by Swager:
I never type to HT when he is online! Even if he is in blue. I may say hello, but that is about it. Sure I play the SIM he developed and markets, but I am nothing more than a $30 payment every month to him. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oh! And typing to HT about your concerns with the F4U-C is a waste of time. You would get more attention by going outside and talking to a tree! Just my opinion.
Have a Nice Day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I agree with this. I just came back to AH after a 8 month layoff. I am one of the Flying Pigs, where guys like Snak and Whip have done some to help HT and Pyro along. But I know better. It's just not worth it to complain. I started with HT during early CK beta. I am here now. I like the product and flying with my wingmen. But HT has heard it so long, and from so many different whiners, that it just isn't worth it to him.
As for Haha. Well, in my book I've never liked the guy. Can't say I blame HT.
As for LePaul, HT has been reviewed on plenty of simHQ like websites, such as dogfighter.com, for awhile. Nobody ever writes that HT is doing all of this for his ego. I wonder why. Maybe you could post what some of these "prominent" publications are?
Again, 1.05 has bugs. Pyro has posted that they'd rather be riding the razor's edge and pushing timetables up. Otherwise, we'd be on 1.02 still. I rather have it this way.
I came back after stopping for 8 months because I felt the game had nothing to offer in strat. I also didn't like the damage models and the E-retention of the planes. N1K1s doing break turns to avoid the BnZ attack, and then turning back and following you up the egress path shooting at you. CK and WB didn't have that, BnZ was viable.
Now, strat is much more prominent, and the sudden compression the Pony gets at 500ias makes BnZ even harder. But at least it has changed.
Having said all that, let me say that HT ought to fly in the arena under a pseudonym to be left alone to fly.
X2
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As for LePaul, HT has been reviewed on plenty of simHQ like websites, such as dogfighter.com, for awhile. Nobody ever writes that HT is doing all of this for his ego. I wonder why. Maybe you could post what some of these "prominent" publications are?
Frankly, its none of your business whom I write for now, in the past or future (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If you are curious about why I'm less then impressed with 1.05 at this time, check my post in the Bug Reports area. I've reviewed 1.04 on FlightSimPilots.Com very favorably. 1.05 has been a large step backwards IMHO.
My point is to treat the customer with respect at all times, that's all.
HT, I could care less what you think of the guy or what he said. Fact is, you lost a customer for whatever reason(s). I wasn't there, and if you are fine with HaHa resigning, well, so be it.
If you don't want to hear customers comments while flying, use an alternate nick. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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I wish he'd come online more often, and drop more folks at the drop of a whine, so to speak. It would make the game immensely more enjoyable for the majority of his customers.
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In the Online biz, the customer is NOT always right.
- Westy
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Hitech,
I understand your position, lemme be upfront with that, but place yourself in the customer's shoes for one second.
- You are at a golf course.
- In walks the owner of that golf course.
- He is wearing a t-shirt and blue jeans.
- The owner grabs a golf cart and drives around the course.
You have questions you'd like to address with him about the course, you see others asking questions about the the green, the sand traps, and how crappy the caddy's are.
Now do you approach him with the concerns you have, or do you wait til you see him in a 3 pc suit and tie to address him?[/i]
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I've been in the MA and seen you swamped with questions while you are trying to enjoy your production, I can honestly say I don't envy ya.
I also learned the lesson back in BETA not to bother ya when your text is not blue, but many of the newer customers may be unfamilar with the procedure.
May I make a suggestion? I know it's important to you to be HITECH, but I'd would like to suggest the idea of an alias when you want to be one of the faceless masses. After all the members of FUBAR would know it's you, and anyone else you'd wanna share the secret with.
Many of the movie stars you speak of, have areas set aside for them at sporting events, or other public places, as well as security to keep the masses at bay. Those stars that wish to mingle with the commonfolk often do so incognito, or accept the intrusion of fans bothering them.
I have sometimes felt ignored when sending email to HTC, and realize it's USUALLY not intentional.
Pleasently, I was quite surprised that SUPERFLY knew my callsign when I called HTC once concerning my bill, that gave me a warm fuzzy feeling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm usually a joker, and try to keep the topics light and non-serious, but I have to say that although I have some issues I'd like to be addressed, I can't help but wonder how to broach topics with you when I have to be concerned that everything I express will be sized up as a whine.
In closing Hitech, I think you and the rest of the staff ARE doing a great job, Aces High is a great game. Keep going and you'll be recieving those awards your previous creation is getting in no time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by milnko (edited 01-01-2001).]
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Originally posted by hitech:
"HT this is getting ridiculous, there is like 90% f4us now."
If this isn't anything but a huge whine I don't know what is. Let alone telling me somthing like this, when im not working and just out to have fun. It's like comming up to some actor at a sporting even't when they are there just to enjoy the game, and you come up to them and say, hey your last movie suck's I realy hate this one piece. And btw now your telling us that the actor should just sit there and listen to your comments because you payed for the movie.
There are places for discussing issues but making statements like this over country or open channel just hurt's AH, does nothing but lessens everyones fun.
HiTech
Hmmmmmmm.
So, HT, every whiner will be squelched now? You gonna add the "shut the whiners" command so every pilot has the right to shut up other pilot for 10 minutes? If not, I do not understand. When someone whines, I can squelch. Anyone can squelch. You, as a player who "when im not working and just out to have fun" could squelch. It was added for that reason, is not it? But you clearly abused the power you had in your hand. More sad is that you do not take it as a mistake, and try to justify what you did. Even more sad is that there are people who support such position. Interesting, how many of them NEVER whined on channel 1?
Fariz
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Hehe ok so I went out for a long walk, and I must say I felt much more relaxed, and willing to write a nice response. Then I read the rest of the so not kind responses written.
"I never liked that guy". -- never heard of of you dosequious - how pleasant to be remembered by somebody I've never heard of
When does a complaint become a whine? If we all start to suggest improvements to the game will we just be whining?
Your analogy is interesting. Assuming we are talking about the same actor, you missed something. It is like going to a movie that the ACTOR made. While he is watching it with you, and you state, "hey you might want to make your movie different next time". Then the actor turns on you, yells for his body guards and gets you taken out of the theatre so others won't hear your comments and think the same thing.
A lot of guys in AH I like. The reason I flied AH was because of my utmost respect for HTC and the talented coders/artists.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/006982.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/006982.html)
I thought the AH community and HTC were all my online pals... I didn't realize how brutally wrong I could be.
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Fariz,
I do not whine on channel 1.
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Kronos
CO No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"
http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/
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First this:
Originally posted by LePaul:
I've got a huge collection of games and I've written reviews for many of them for prominent publications, both print and online.
Then, when someone questioned this point:
Originally posted by LePaul:
Frankly, its none of your business whom I write for now, in the past or future
You can't have it both ways dude. If you want to try and present yourself as some sort of experienced game reviewer (rolls eyes), then why are you so touchy about who you've written for? To put it bluntly, put up or shut up.
What games have you reviewed?
For what publication?
-Smut
(P.S. I have no problem listing MY creditials, if you wish...)
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"I never liked that guy". -- never heard of of you dosequious - how pleasant to be remembered by somebody I've never heard of
I thought the AH community and HTC were all my online pals... I didn't realize how brutally wrong I could be.
I could care less. Honestly. Just because I lurk more than I post doesn't mean I can't comment on the firebomb you decided you chuck. Or what I think of you.
Did you think we were all going to rally around you? Have a missing wingman for you? Go away.
As for LePaul. Hey, you made the comparsion to "awful betware". And then threw up some half assed credentials to back yourself up. Like you were a "professional" reviewer. Bah. Everquest had a patch a DAY for something like 2 weeks straight. I've seen BOXED offline sims release patches twice a week.
You follow up with the "well, the HTC cheerleaders will flame me, I guess". I came on to say that:
1. I am no HTC Cheerleader. I've played AWDOS, CK, WB and now AH and AH is better than any of them ever were. Yet, I've walked away. Never posted a huge whiney email about it and made a big show. Just cancelled the account and came back in 6 months to see if it was better. Usually was.
2. Been to Cons and actually taken the time to see things from HT's side. What HT said is right, it matters not if the ENTIRE arena was flying F4U-1Cs. It doesn't mean it's uber. It just means the game has alot of HO dweebs on at the moment. Saying on ch 100 that "the game is ridiculous" is stupid.
So, we can write off LePaul's offhanded "and *I* am a guy who *KNOWS* games" comment as just another puffed up chest looking for attention and Haha as a big baby.
Next topic....
X2
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Dosequis you aren't worth a response but I thought I would make something clear.
You are an abusive and ignorant individual. My post was never on channel 1 - it was on the country channel. Furthermore, I NEVER said the game was ridiculous, I really like the game - I said that 90% f4us is ridiculous and I said it at a time in which I had just been vulched by 10 of them.
The problem is not with the AH community, the problem is with arrogant, pompous individuals like yourself who like to join in on a gangbang and hit someone when they are down to make yourself feel good.
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True HaHa, there are tons of people that will just jump on the side of popular opinion just to be on winning side, they temporarly adopt whatever opinion most people seem to have, in other words they are just potatos, so think of them as such and when you read their generic go with the group opinion just think of it as if you are hearing it from a $10 street slut.
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I feel like im in a godamn kindergarden school yard. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
HaHa : your complaint that there are too many f4u's flying around i agree with but to complain to HT whilst he's playing is a little off and a post on here would be more appropriate.remember tho HT cannot choose what people fly and with perk system play balance is being attempted at least,give it some time.
HT: unless this was meant as a joke your muting of your customers i find quite strange even a little childish.A bit like a kids tantrum (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).as said above a simple 'please not while im playing' would suffice but as i wasnt there i dont know how far you was pushed,however, i do understand if you got annoyed as ive often lost my temper and felt foolish after an outburst.
But i also think ive been seeing too many f4uc's so now my opinion is a whine?
If customers dont like a certain aspect of your game i would expect you to listen to them and if you dont agree tell them why.If you called me names i think id quit too.Have you ever seen a company CO call custmers names to their faces? not very nice if you ask me.
smut: what does it matter what hes written for? Hes a customer and as such his views should be counted equally.Seems to me youre like the guy who stands behind a bully poking comments just to build the argument.
a 'pot stirrer'.
hazed
im off to read something more interesting...
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here's my opinion:
hitech put ups with alot of bs, here and in the arena. i cry no tears for him. every time i get a bill for my AH account i fire up the b*tch engines and dont feel bad about bothering HT or any other member of the HTC staff. i dont care what colour his text is, ill ask a question or make a comment. and my 50 bux a month is worth a response. usually i get an answer or "i dont know" or the like. and i whole heartedly agree with milnko, you wanna fly? get another name.
-as for htc playing god? i dont think so, but i have been treated poorly by the staff before, im sure it will happen again. but i realize we are all human and have bad moods and such, oh well. its still a great GAME and im not gonna stop playin cause i was basically told to get bent by someone.
--btw htc,,,,fix the scoring system for buffs it stinks
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Ok, Swoop's turn.
Firstly let me say that more and more recently, I've seen comments from HiTech that I'd get sacked for if I spoke to a "customer" that way. Now it doesnt bother me in the slightest, I'm not the one annoying the bloke. But, word to the wise HT, mellow out a bit dude, eventually they'll be more pilots out there with a grudge against ya than actually like ya. Besides, think about all the hundreds of people that are gonna hear (from one source or another) about things like this and decide never to come near HTC. (ok, ok, I know, over dramatising but you get the point). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Secondly, LePaul.....your comments on zero beta testing having been done: That's not the way Aces High works. See, if HTC *did* do extensive beta testing before a release then the time of said release would be put back by weeks, months even. It's been stated time and again on this BB that we (the players) dont wanna wait for updates, we want it NOW!!!!! And in return we immediately inform (note: inform, not whine) HTC so's they can get any bugs fixed ASAP. You said yourself, 3 patches in a week, how many developers work that fast these days? Answer: 1, HTC. If ya want a bug fixed, report it in a calm, logical and clear way on the bug report forum and HTC will address it.
Finally, HaHa: Dude, I think you're over-reacting just a tad. Think of it this way: It's Xmas, you've been working damn hard for 4 months and you've hardly taken any time off over Xmas cos you've just released a major product update and have to be available to fix problems as they arise.....out of 2000 pilots, 500 of of em have been whining and moaning on the BB and now, when you're taking 10 mins out to have some fun, yet another one decides to have a moan......you might have even muted that guy yourself.
Anyway, I'm waffling. My point is: everyone mellow out. It's a game.
Swoop
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Originally posted by HaHa:
Dosequis you aren't worth a response but I thought I would make something clear.
You are an abusive and ignorant individual. My post was never on channel 1 - it was on the country channel. Furthermore, I NEVER said the game was ridiculous, I really like the game - I said that 90% f4us is ridiculous and I said it at a time in which I had just been vulched by 10 of them.
The problem is not with the AH community, the problem is with arrogant, pompous individuals like yourself who like to join in on a gangbang and hit someone when they are down to make yourself feel good.
Actually, the REAL problem is with love muffines like you who come on to the BBS and go public with something you should have resolved with HT privately.
Why don't you ask HT if posting this crap to his BBS is "abusive and ignorant".
Now, as I said, bugger off...
X2
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One thing I really don't understand about this situation..
HaHa,
What did you expect HT to say when you complained to him about the c-hogs? Did you want him to do something about it? Really... I just can't figure it out. Maybe he should have said "HaHa.. you are absolutely correct.. I'm gonna pull the plane out of the arena right away!". Would anything less prevented you from coming here and whining even more?
AKDejaVu
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Think this is a real good guess...
HiTech and PYRO don't just build a sim like this because they see money. When you look at how many years they have been involved in the growth of online sims, I think it becomes quite obvious, that they are WW2 flight sim junkies like the rest of us. They put in alot of hours givin us thankless bastards alot of entertainment. Perhaps they should be able to enjoy their project as well.
HT could fly under another name, but he doesn't. HT employees often appear in the arena willing to front questions and listen to suggestions. Have you really paid attention to how heavily they are bombarded when they appear in the arena? If I was HT I would have two handles, my play handle, and my work handle. Though at times it can be hard to fool everyone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Its a standard rule, if any HTC employee is in the arena and their text is grey LEAVEM ALONE!! they have as much right to play as we do, if not more!! If their text is light blue, fire away! however don't expect your questions or whines answered, due to the flurry of questions tossed at them.
Having said all of the above...
The Whines, Questions, and suggestions get MUCH more attention when posted on the BB. If its a really big issue email HTC (dunno how they deal with chog whines though).
My thots
AKskurj
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Good post, Swoop.
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Yawn...
You guys really do amuse me. Someone makes a point of view made, and you guys tear up his/her credibility rather than tackle the issue at hand. Some of you have a real chance at working for the Democrats someday, I'm sure they need some more folks for Spin Control...
Smut: Who I've written for, who I shall write for and such is not at issue. What if I do not list my credentials in a manner you like, they are unfounded? Bullpuckey. I'm speaking as a PAYING CUSTOMER, you Golly-geen twits. Wakey wakey! If you wanna list out who you have written for, fine, list away! But I am speaking on behalf of Me, Myself & I.
Dosequis: You're logic fails to compute. Why not run along and see what I posted in Bug Reports before you make an bellybutton of yourself. Opps, you already did. Well, at least you are entertaining in the process. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Swoop: That's nice that you want it all now, but perhaps I am getting fussy in my old age and want a game I pay $30 a month for to WORK as it is supposed to. Since you are the most devout of cheerleaders, I wont bother to debate with you. In your eyes, this program is totally-fluff'n-wonderful and if any of us post to the contrary, you dispell it as a whine.
So I stand by what i've said here and in the Bug Reports area. If you guys like bugs, well you have a crap load to live with in this version. But where it bugs me is when I can nolonger have the same amount of fun I was able to in the prior build.
That's all I've got to say. This thread has turned into a ppissing contest.
Paul
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In my humble opinion it would be better if questions (or whines) were put onto the BB or private email. That's pretty much what the BB is here for. I have yet to see a post that was clearly marked for HiTech staff to read go unanswered. There are many posts that the staff replies to even if it doesn't concern them, they're just adding their 2 cents worth like everyone else. I'm sure a lot of people squelch the channel as soon as the whining developes, and the HiTech staff (they are human too) aren't the exception either.
I think this is one of the best BB's I've ever been on simply because of the help and advice that the developers post in here. It makes me feel very welcome when questions arise and are addressed by the staff. This is also one of the few games that I know that the developers actually play the game they produce (and use their BB names so we know who they are). They will have the same problems we have 'cuz they got the same version we got. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So in conclusion, save your whines and concerns for the BB. I think you will have an easier time getting your problem solved through here than bombarding the poor staff members while they're just trying to relax and unwind while flying. I'm sure when your flying you don't like to be disturbed. That is my 2 cents worth.
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Meine schwester hat keine kartoffel salat? Du bist eine lustige bube!!
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hehe its really the hog c and the appologists htc could add a nuke to the game and the compasionate fellows would ooz the same love for them that they always do.
read these pages long enough and you see it charachter assasination is their biggest weapon ignore them or they will kill any meaningful conversation on this board.
as far as the hog people have been complaining about it since the day it arived it is so unbalancing to the arena it seriously hampers the fun factor of the game . ( except for appologists ) htc will control or remove the beast eventualy or hitech wont be able to fly his own sim in peace. ohh that is now .
hey ht ever wonder how much money that plane has cost you ? remember when you flew and didnt have to listen to hogc hogc hogc lol i do.
you were hailed by freind and foe as a fair god of the cyber world . you put in a cheap mean plane and it has turned the areana cheap and mean
fix the thing and you will be alot of peopls heros ( fix = remove or perk like mad )
p.s. im flyin under another name now and and addict to this game which i see as the best sim on the planet remove the hog and nightmare osty and the war will end till then baby its on, appologists be dambed
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Originally posted by LePaul:
Swoop: That's nice that you want it all now, but perhaps I am getting fussy in my old age and want a game I pay $30 a month for to WORK as it is supposed to. Since you are the most devout of cheerleaders, I wont bother to debate with you. In your eyes, this program is totally-fluff'n-wonderful and if any of us post to the contrary, you dispell it as a whine.
Paul
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Lets not get testy here, I dont mean to piss you off.
....er.....I dunno where you got the idea that I'm a devout cheerleader and loooove absolutely everything about Aces High. Far from it. If you'll check, you wont see any posts from me jumping on the bandwaggon of slagging off anyone who makes a complaint.
I choose to take your comments lightly cos you really dont know me very well, if you did then you'd realise that the comment "In your eyes, this program is totally-fluff'n-wonderful and if any of us post to the contrary, you dispell it as a whine." is laughable. Not me mate, you're confusing me with someone else. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Now as for wanting a working program for $30 a month......well I totally agree with ya. But since an update of AH has never caused the game to become unplayable for me......(althought I gotta admit, the current terrain is really rather badly designed IMO)
Anyway, nuff said.
Swoop
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Originally posted by LePaul:
Yawn...
Smut: Who I've written for, who I shall write for and such is not at issue. What if I do not list my credentials in a manner you like, they are unfounded? Bullpuckey. I'm speaking as a PAYING CUSTOMER, you Golly-geen twits. Wakey wakey! If you wanna list out who you have written for, fine, list away! But I am speaking on behalf of Me, Myself & I.
Dosequis: You're logic fails to compute. Why not run along and see what I posted in Bug Reports before you make an bellybutton of yourself. Opps, you already did. Well, at least you are entertaining in the process. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm not presenting an argument. There's no logic to dissect. What I am saying, and what Smut is saying, is don't go throwing out how you are some big time professional game reviewer and software developer and not back it up.
Refusing to state your credentials negates them. Let me finish amusing you by saying how lame I think that behavior is. You should call yourself LeFraud.
X2
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OK, enough of the flames. This is just sad and not a very good way to start the new year. I don't know what the details are. Maybe HT had a short fuze, maybe he was pushed from multiple directions until he had enough, maybe he was just being heckled, or maybe it was a combination of the above. Whatever it was, it's a bad situation that obviously left different parties upset about it.
We want to interact with people on a personal level but that is a double-edged sword because it means that you also have to deal with people and not some faceless company bot sent out to give generic responses. This requires a level of understanding and respect from both sides. If this falls apart on either side, then this personal interaction becomes a negative rather than a positive. That's not the way it should be.
Game development from an ivory tower is realistically the correct way to go. It's also the easier way to go. It certainly avoids situations like this. But you do lose a certain edge when you go that route. I guess it all comes down to whether you can manage it and that's not always a constant. From time to time I have to retreat there to keep me from getting burned out.
We decided early on that we wouldn't be driven out of the arena or off of the boards. We don't want to have to skulk behind anonymous accounts to have a presence. That's easier said than done though. We're not trying to squelch gripes, but we do want to keep the environment enjoyable. It's a very hard balance to achieve.
I think what it comes down to is what I mentioned before. We try to keep things on a personal level. People get pissed at us and we get pissed at people. Although you'll hear a lot more of the former than the latter, it's still true. If there are any sage words of wisdom I can offer to anybody, whether it's you, us, or another party, it would be "Don't get too bent." We all have strong feelings about the game and emotions usually rule in humans.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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I see an opportunity to vent so here goes:
Being a *writer* or *journalist* for a online magazine carries ZERO, NADA, ZILCH weight HERE, THERE or ANYWHERE.
The absolute WORST writing to be found on THE PLANET occurs in online magazines.
ANY MONKEY CAN AND NEARLY EVERY MONKEY DOES WRITE for online magazines.
Sorry for the oubursts, this is just something that has been nagging me for quite sometime.
Yeager
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Shakes head! I guess I'm in the minority, I've been really been enjoying 1.05. If Aces High wasn't the best Flightsim for my money I'd be somewhere else. Chogs are prevelent but I have no problem killing them regularly.. just another opportunity for a kill. As for HTC... I have never experienced anything but TOTAL respect and commitment and great customer service. Courtesy and respect bread courtesty and respect.. Lets ALL try it!
Thunder
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Dunno what the beef is... other than some flat toes. No biggie. Vote with yer feet; by all means.
For the rest of this.. seems to me I'm gettin my 30 bucks worth, warts and all; still miles ahead of anything else around.
Hang
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Ok, this is probably none of my business, only been here a short While BUT, before I registered/subscribed I did keep one eye on the BB prior to 1.05 being launched and this is the overall feeling I got...
Around 80% of the people I saw posting were always "when is 1.05 here" and " I want 1.05" etc. etc.
there were a lot of questions being thrown at Pyro and the crew regarding aircraft/vehicles etc. And I think he/they did a super job of answering and addressing your fears and peeves.
BUT
YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT
they struggle to address your complaints and try and create a balance in the game for the benefit of all,that's got to be difficult hasn't it??,there are so many of you guys here form all over the world and HTC have done a terrific job of getting 1.05 out for all you "wheres my new AH game" people you expect them to put this out to the masses while you have moaned and flamed at them for weeks to get it out??. I don't understand lemme put like this YES there are a few bugs in this, but HTC have addressed most if not all of them and is in the process of sorting them out,I honestly believe that. 3 patches in a week, so what at least there doing something
SO,
Please guys give the HTC crew a little break, a little bit of room I guarantee you if you keep your foot on their throats you won't get the wonderful game you seek
"the best things come, to those who wait"
BE PATIENT
HTC, I applaud you, you have done SO well in the last month or so to pull out all the stops to satisfy your ever growing customer base,1.05 is great at the moment but it will be brilliant when all the bugs etc have been ironed out.
WELL DONE
Thanks guys for letting me have my 2 cents worth.
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PapaEcho
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"Pull the pin and count to what??"
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glad you posted that pyro sort of renews my faith a little.I can totally understand getting pissed off with people harrassing you guys all the time.Please remember one thing.Whatever my gripes/moans/praises(yes there are some (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) the bottom line is the game is fantastic and the only reason most of us bother to post on here is because we love it so much or why would we bother writing anything at all?
I just feel Haha got a raw deal and maybe a free months play for him would get him back (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).Is haha the same 'Lordhaha' from beta days?if so he has helped you test and refine your game so give him a break, just as you get pissed off so he's entitled to lose it now and again right?.
p.s. Lepaul: where did you get 'In your eyes, this program is totally-fluff'n-wonderful and if any of us post to the contrary, you dispell it as a whine.'? from poor ol' swoops post?
these yanks really get tetchy eh swoop? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
I hope things start working for you soon lepaul,bugs WILL be ironed out and if its not working for you post HTC with specifics and maybe they'llarrange something for you.worth a try instead of saying its a buggy beta code becuse it works for most of us.And yes i have had times where nothing worked but it was addressed in patches.
hazed
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Shittiest thread I have ever seen...
Let da man fly, if ya' re not happy with it, try to find him and Shoot him !
I'd rather shoot heater 1st (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Saw
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Originally posted by HaHa:
I thought the AH community and HTC were all my online pals... I didn't realize how brutally wrong I could be.
welcome to the real world, Haha. I found just that when 1.04 saw the light. Most "friends" you have here are only "teammates",not friends. And when you find that some of your ex-"friends" is radio-ing your position all day long so you can be hunted (as it was done with me), then you really wonder the kind of sorry prettythanges that some of the guys who fly online sims can be.
HT,I have to say this. If this was a one-time happening then I wont say too much, but now is the second time I hear you muted customers on the main arena. IF you dont want to hear someone's complaints, then I suggest you to squelch him as anyone else does. To mute an unsattisfied customer is, at its best, incredible.
About Haha's complaint, he is simply right on target, Naval Chogs are even more aberrating that the standard one. 200 Chogs saw action, and reports say that **MAYBE** some of them were used from carriers. That means that the major part were land based, and only in the better of the chances, dozens
of Chogs flew from carriers.
So...where is my option to fly 190s without cowl MGs? because more than a couple of dozens of 190As flew without them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif). Where is my MK103 for the 190A8?...where is the R4M for the 190? and the X-4?
I'm with Towd on this one. Chog was a big can of worms, and NAVAL Chog is even more. Its been since 30 December that I haven't been online, and when I am, I try to avoid the zones where the carriers are because each time I see that mass of laserbirds I am about to puke.
But Its your sim, and you are the boss. If you want to mute unsatisfied customers, do it. Its your loss.
I am sit here simply waiting for WWIIOL, and Il2. Maybe Wb3 too if it comes out at a flatrate. For now there is nothing else to fly than Aces High so I will have to stay. and the sad thing for Aces High is that I know many people who feel just like me.
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The HTC crew have every right to expect consideration from the players,If they`re in BLUE text,then questions/comments are allowed and welcomed by them.
If they`re in GRAY text,then they just want to fly and have fun like the rest of us.
HiTech could have ejected your butt but showed restraint even though obviously you pissed him off,maybe you should have used some tact with your questions/comments?
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welcome to the real world, Haha. I found just that when 1.04 saw the light. Most "friends" you have here are only "teammates",not friends. And when you find that some of your ex-"friends" is radio-ing your position all day long so you can be hunted (as it was done with me), then you really wonder the kind of sorry prettythanges that some of the guys who fly online sims can be.
Ah, the fault must be with your teammates, not yours?
Get a grip. You have quit this game many times and every time you have to come back? You whine continuosly about everything and to everybody and then wonder why you get so toejamty treatment? I have been here longer than you but still everyone treats me nicely. Maybe because it treat people nicely.
But Its your sim, and you are the boss. If you want to mute unsatisfied customers, do it. Its your loss.
I am sit here simply waiting for WWIIOL, and Il2. Maybe Wb3 too if it comes out at a flatrate. For now there is nothing else to fly than Aces High so I will have to stay. and the sad thing for Aces High is that I know many people who feel just like me.
If you suffer so much for being around here why don't you just do what you have said many times and leave? It would make yourself and others feel better.
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Jochen, the "teammates" was a way to say that you have few real online friends. The other people is simply "known" people.
And to answer your question, while I have whined a lot of times, the experience I had when I dared to say that I didnt like the new FM when 1.04 was released(note that I didnt say by then that it was more or less realistic, I simply said I didnt like it that much), made me open my eyes about how the major part of this so-called community is.
I am not, by far, the best representant of a class-act community member. Many times my opinions go into the whine zone. I complain. I squeak.
Maybe my opinions havent been exposed in the best of the ways. sometimes because my hot blood, sometimes because my boredom, sometimes because English is my second language and I suck at it. But I always try to give my opinion in a clear way, I always try to be honest...and I try to respect others opinions.I dont jump on people because they freely say what they think. Just what most people here does when someone dares to raise the head and say "I think that this is wrong"
I have to say, that most of this community has dissapointed me to a point you will never known.In the first times here while I was happy with AH and I thought everything was allright, everyone liked me and I was seen with approbation.
The first moment I said that a single-ping 1K kill from a hispano (read my post on a kill Fariz got on me back in 1.01) was crap, I started to feel a change in attitude...change that has turned into something that can't be explained right now.
Most people here can't stand a critic to AH or HTC. Even if it is documented, even if al proofs point to the truth of a critic. Of course if the only back-up of a critic is opinion,and not hard data, the witch hunt is almost criminal.
my last five days as RAM in the Main arena saw me always hunted by the very same guys, and then,after I left, I found out that two guys in my country (one of them one who I once thought as a friend) were continuously radio-ing my position to their "buddies" on the other countries. Of course there is no doubt that I always found the same people everywhere I went (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif).
Kudos for a community that has individuals like those ,and respects them (yes, they are known. and yes, they are respected)
Originally posted by Jochen:
Get a grip. You have quit this game many times and every time you have to come back?
This argument has been asked and answered so many times, , that now is almost fun to answer it yet again-but, ok I'll do it one time more.
I left AH for little less than one month. ONE TIME. ONCE. so the "so many times" argument is old and plain wrong.
Originally posted by Jochen:
If you suffer so much for being around here why don't you just do what you have said many times and leave? It would make yourself and others feel better.
because there is no other decent WWII online air simulator to fly. WB 2.76 FM sux in some aspects, and its not worth the money. AW seems like a nintendo game for kids 7 years old. And I'd better not say a thing about FA.
That is the reason I wait for WWIIOL, and Wb3. and while Il2 wont be a pure online sim, it promises great things. When I have more options then I will freely choose between them, but as now I have only one option...you get the point.
Think about it as an election. I have only one choice to vote, and I cant abstain (I simply love online sim flying). But be sure that unless those three games are abysmal failures, the day I can really vote for multiple choices, AH will start with a disadvantage. I dont say I will go. I say that AH will have a disadvantage.
And now, flame on me (as usual). I'm outta this thread.
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Originally posted by LePaul:
Smut: Who I've written for, who I shall write for and such is not at issue. What if I do not list my credentials in a manner you like, they are unfounded? Bullpuckey. I'm speaking as a PAYING CUSTOMER, you Golly-geen twits. Wakey wakey! If you wanna list out who you have written for, fine, list away! But I am speaking on behalf of Me, Myself & I.
Pyro, please forgive me this one question for LeFr...er...LePaul:
If who you "write for and such" is not an issue now, why did you make such a big deal about your writing in the first place?
FWIW, I don't write for the gaming mag/online scene, though I have contributed to a strat guide article or two...and I've been interviewed several times by real (and respected) members of the gaming press.
Lastly, I am speaking for myself as well...but it is from the perspective of someone that is both a player AND a game developer.
-Smut
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Get a grip why don't you just email this to HTC Demands (http://members.home.net/torqss/demandd.wav)
BTW Great job HTC thx for 1.05!
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LOL Torque, that is too true. Hahaha.
HTC is by far the most active and responsive online game developer I have ever seen. They make a kick-ass product IMHO. It's not perfect of course, but they upgrade it faster than anything I've ever seen.
Ram, you use classic FUD and it is hurtful to the community. I'm not surprised your own team-mates helped get you dweeb-hunted. Good on ya.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
"A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt --
A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig,
Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig,
You'll never go wrong with a pig!" -- Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"
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Did I miss something?
All this over:
"HT this is getting ridiculous, there is like 90% f4us now."
Some people need to get a bit of a grip if such a outburst has such a reaction from both sides...
-tronski-
486 Sqn (NZ) "Hiwa Hau Maka"
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Ram, please don't think that I have something against you. I remember when you appeared to AH board and I thought you were ok, anybody with interest towards Luftwaffe and Fw 190 are ok in my books! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just think that with bit more patience you could really enjoy Aces High. I started my online career in Warbirds and there were pilots and game features that I hated. Bf 109 and Fw 190 FM's seemed to be totally out of whack and some wacky polish pilots continued their personal WWII against anything german in AGW. And of course there was the Ignorant One, Lazs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It took me year to learn that I cannot shape the game to be perfect for me. I just accepted it and moved to Aces High. It's same thing here but I don't lose my nerves anymore and accept that there are some things that I cannot control. It is sometimes quite difficult because I'm bit of perfectionist by nature. I think you might have same sort of nature too.
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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There is only one way to resolve this.
www.sissyfight.com (http://www.sissyfight.com)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cya up there,
Apeboy
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RAM is so sad.
"My friends aren't my friends! Some of them helped dweeb hunt me! I can't wait for WW2OL, and until then I'm gonna sit here and squeak about the dumbest toejam imaginable, like cowling MGs on the FW190. Cause that's what kind of loser I am. Waaaah."
Do us all a favor RAM. Shut up.
X2
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Solution for HT and staff when ya flyn:The complainer is automatically snatched from their flyn machine. Placed in a tank. All buttoned down and munchkins with tiny hammers are set loose to thump the sides and top of the tank for 5 mins (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Or a gremlin pops up in their forward view with wire cutters. Shortly after the appearance of the gremlin their plane spins into the ground and they can't bail either heheeeeeeeeeeeeee (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Or bugs start showing up in their views one at a time till they can't see and then are dumped to the desktop (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He heeeeeeeee, you could have some great fun with the "squeakin Brigade"!!
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(http://www.twc-tampa.com/mdisalle/tb2.jpg)
Give me a "A" "C" "E" "S"
Give me a "H" "I" "G" "H"
Gooooo Aces High!
Now, I'm an offical AH Cheerleader (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
While I have outfit on .....
Go Gators!!!
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HT and HTC treat me just fine.
Then again, I treat them with the same respect that I expect from them.
<yawn>
Fury
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HT and HTC treat me just fine.
Then again, I treat them with the same respect that I expect from them.
Heh, it really is simple as that! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Hmm,
i just can't understand some people in here who seem thinkin: " For my 30$$ i should get everything i want. I'm the customer, so treat
me like a little god"
Go show a little bit more respect in your comments when Ht staff is online or would you like to hear a comment concerning a part of Your work including the word "ridiculous" ?
For me it's ridiculous that Ht or AH staff should use a pseudonym when they want a little fun online.
blitz out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
To be honest, i really like to shoot these suckers down. Ht , what plane skuzzy using today, my connect sucks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Fury said! And it was short, sweet and hit the nail on the head.
- Westy
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Originally posted by 1776:
munchkins with tiny hammers are set loose
No thanks. I'd rather we kept MG locked in his cell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I can see both sides of the story... but I am rather sad it has come to this. I see people whine all the time, we all do it on occasion often during the heat of the moment but I was very surprised (disillusioned?) that HT would mute someone after what appears to be just a minor whine - I've heard a lot worse than that before! Hey HT you'll have to setup a 'You won't like me when I'm angry' (ala David Banner (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) button so you can get any 'maybe's' off your back! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Regards
Nexx
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What Fury said. The Golden Rule. It's simple.
Also, for any of the confused, HTC is a company, not a Democracy. You pay to play. Anything beyond that is more then I have ever received at any other game/sim online or offline.
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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
'Criticism is always easier then craftmanship.'
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I don't run into HT much in H2H. But the last time I did, I teased him a little (spit dweeb, that sort a thing). This on top of making him my 11th, AND 12th kill that sorti (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). He didn't say a lot. But was a good sport about it. I think he practices what he preach,s. Doesn't whine, and probably gets sick of hearing whining.
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Well.... I don't think there is anyone anywhere who would thik of calling me an "HTC cheerleader" but..... Everytime I have called to have something fixed or report a bug I have got immediate response. The patchs that have come out have been fast and effective. Don't much care other than that. Now.... hahaa comes on and squeaks about something that is the #1 squeak from the worst crybaby no nothings in the game and is upset because he doesn't get a response to his no nothing untrue statement? But wait... Then he get's on here and admits that he made a no nothing statement.... cries and pouts because he wasn't treated seriously.... and threatens to leave!
Geeze... Don't like Corsairs (C or D)? toejam man.... just chirp in on one of the posts or start a new one.... There is about half a dozen less than bright guys who will give you a hand every time.... Maybe you can start a club?
Oh, and joch...ya ol hamster humper you... Ya say ya can never find a sim where your beloved nazi planes are treated as the super planes that they were? Bet ya liked 1.03 tho huh? Yeah, nothing could get oput of the way.... Pretty much roll and climb were king. Great for some planes.... made em kinda match the performance of the romance novels you are so fond of but..... It was wrong. You won't have as good a performing planes until another sim that is wrong comes out.
And ram and hahaa I have met hundreds of simmers and have enjoyed meeting everyone of em. Bet you would too. I can't think of anyone n this board I wouldn't mind meeting. Even that pansy hi tech. Geeze give em a break and let him play.... Email em or post here if ya gotta parrot some ol complaint.
lazs
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Ok Im weighing in on this.
HahA, I was online and damn near next to you when you demonstrated your most astute observational capabilities towards HiTech.
Here the deal is: When the HTC boys are talking in BLUE TEXT that means they have their business suites on and behave according to the GBC (Geneva Business Convention).
When HTC is using regular channels like 1 and 2, they are dweebs just like you and me.
HahA, I am really surprized to see you behave like this. Poor form man, poor form.
Yeager
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Originally posted by easymo:
I don't run into HT much in H2H. But the last time I did, I teased him a little (spit dweeb, that sort a thing). This on top of making him my 11th, AND 12th kill that sorti (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). He didn't say a lot. But was a good sport about it. I think he practices what he preach,s. Doesn't whine, and probably gets sick of hearing whining.
Which is exactly why this game is so much about community. How many guys are the CEO and Lead Programmer of a game they can whip all but the VERY best players at? I've flown against HT and Pyro, (and Gunjam when he was at ICI) and they all whip me, and good. And I'm not the best pilot, but I'm not the worst either. I've seen Pyro all but whoop bellybutton on an entire arena, and that's with people hunting him. I loathed seeing the guy in Air Warrior DOS. (Pyro, IMHO, was a very different character in AW, before he and HT became the company. I remember downloading the film viewer for AW that HT wrote for the game. And since Pyro's been trained in the ways of Dok GonZo Hate [tm] he puts up with alot more smack than suits like Bryan Walker from Domark ever did. Hey Bryan, I told you CK2 would never see the light of day.)
I value that relationship with a company. I can't logon to a Quake server and frag John Carmack. At least not knowingly.
Lay off HT. If he squelches you, take it as a sign from a guy who has been doing this ALOT longer than just about ANY of you, that you are being a jerk. And Haha, or LordHaha, or whatever, was being a jerk. Don't hide behind "the customer is always right" BS.
Admit you were wrong, show some damn respect, and I'm sure we'd all welcome you back. The AH community is a forgiving lot, in my estimation, by and large.
Ok, I better take off my cheerleading skirt now. It's itchy.
X2
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Ok, for those interested I am re-posting my original message. This explains EXACTLY what happened so that people understand why I was ticked (this is my original post on this thread btw - I removed it to stop the banter that unfortunatelly occured anyways):
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Alright I am pissed. In anticipation of 1.05 I started up my account again 2 weeks ago. For the last 2 weeks I have done nothing but compliment HTC/AH and help to debug the game.
I've offered numerous suggestions on how the game can be improved and have been quite happy playing online.
Earlier today I was flying and I saw 100% f4us (knights). I make a comment on public channel that knights seem to fly a lot of f4us.
Then approx. 5 mins later I'm up once more and see 100% f4us (knights again). I die and being a little annoyed I say on our country channel, "HT this is getting ridiculous, there is like 90% f4us now" (reducing the number since I might of missed some other planes).
Next thing I know I get this, "Error Message - you can't talk for 10 mins". Then HT says on the country channel, "haha stop whining..."
WTF MAN?? I'm a paying customer and you pull this power thing on me ? I could see if I was spamming the global channel, or even if I was spamming the country channel but after 1 message!?!??! side note: I have had utmost respect for HT for years, and have told him this on numerous occasions - to be "pushed" aside like this, like some little punk, was extremely humiliating
The only way I can show my disgust is to 1) delete my account and 2) post here. I have now done both - well done - excellent customer service. I didn't realize that AH was HTs little online "playing god" game, until now. attribute this last line to frustration (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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In hindsight HT over-reacted and so did I. I can understand why HT did what he did, in anger, frustration and whatever else occurs to you when you work over Christmas vacation. My actions (if you think they are bad) can be partially blamed to being shot down by the 50th f4u that day.
Nonetheless, I still don't think I said anything wrong. I was candid to somebody I thought would say, "yah there are a lot of f4us around these days, hopefully it'll get better" ... instead of like, "get off my game punk, you're not wanted here whiner" To be told that, after being a fan of HT and spending hundreds of dollars on his products for years, is quite upsetting.
I Hope AH does well and the community gets along better. Good luck HTC
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Sorry Haha,
But I squelch ya every time. I have never seen you go for more than 5 mins without whining on country or open. It's poor form, but you just said again you don't understand. Well, problem solved now. Maybe I'll see ya in wwiiol or wb3. I can only hope for your sanity that they are bug free.
If you say your a pro writer, and won't give your credits, you've just proved yourself a lier. Nothing else ya say will be taken seriously. It's all too common online eh, Yeager. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cya up...Braz
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Funny you say that Brazos since the last time I talked to you, you and I were talking about your comic strip - I've been on hiatus for around 3 months and I haven't seen you since then.
Since my character is being assasinated anyways: I do declare that my actions have been evil... it was I who raped your sheep and pillaged your women. Evertime you've been angry on AH it was because of me - I am the hacker/warper/and HO bastard of your dreams. Oh, and everytime you've heard a whine its me, or one of my collaborators (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
*burn me* *burn me* *burn me*
on that stake!!!
[This message has been edited by HaHa (edited 01-03-2001).]
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any way to simply close and lock this thread?
gets me sick looking at this. 1.05 has been tons of fun for me and a welcome change. I begged for it with a lot of other pilots, and I feel like I got more then what it's worth.
it's disturbing to see that htc worked their tulips off, with us urging them on and gawking at the screenshots, only to now be blasted in the forums. there are some bugs, yes, but they will be resolved in the end. I don't believe that HT, Pyro, or any of the other staff are out to rip us off. They're in it for the pleasure of a good multiplayer flight sim. And let them enjoy their hard work in peace. I've never seen a "drex:<S> Hitech" or hitech: <S> hblair" in the buffer because there is usually 1000 questions flying left and right.
ugh, tired. Seriously, lock this thread up and throw away the key.
[This message has been edited by Moose11 (edited 01-03-2001).]
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Then approx. 5 mins later I'm up once more and see 100% f4us (knights again). I die and being a little annoyed I say on our country channel, "HT this is getting ridiculous, there is like 90% f4us now" (reducing the number since I might of missed some other planes).
One thing you might do.. get a recording of this. I'd really like to see it because I have NEVER seen this in the MA. How about I post a recording of a 20 plane furball from last night that had a grand total of 2 chogs in it?
Could it be you were totally exagerating? I believe so. Could it be you were exagerating so badly to prove your point? I believe so. Could it be that everyone on at the time knew it.. including HT.. and were getting sick of it? I think so.
HT didn't over-react first. You did. Then he did. Then you did again. That gives you the over-reaction lead.
AKDejaVu
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Sounds like squad night for the Knights.
Fury
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Could have been Fury, MAG-33 had 15 planes on in one mission, but we were an assortment of TBM's, F4U's, and Hellkitty's.
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or.... it could be just a lie.
lazs
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Originally posted by jihad:
The HTC crew have every right to expect consideration from the players,If they`re in BLUE text,then questions/comments are allowed and welcomed by them.
If they`re in GRAY text,then they just want to fly and have fun like the rest of us.
HiTech could have ejected your butt but showed restraint even though obviously you pissed him off,maybe you should have used some tact with your questions/comments?
Can they really do that?
This is hillarios. What does it matter what you are vulched by? Might as well be Brewster Buffalos. Guy was obviosly mad about being vuched and confused it with getting mad about how many Hog Cs there might be in the arena.
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Can they really do that?
Yes he can Pongo I have the army boot marks on my bellybutton to prove it! HT did say "buh bye" first tho, hehehe which even pissed me off more BUT instead of coming to BB and whining about it I realized I did deserve getting booted off server. Two days later I did came back and HT told me all was forgotten.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 01-03-2001).]
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There is an implication hanging around in here that I don't like and needed to comment on.
There is no ivory tower at HTC. Get that straight right now. You want to paint that picture, go to where there really IS one. Or where the customer base is truely ignored. Anybody been to one of those?
I went to the Aces High Con after being a customer for all of a month. I watched the entire staff of HTC literally working their tulips off for 4 days non-stop. I saw HT and Pyro and their colleague Skuzzy, crawling around under tables working on routers almost the whole weekend. There were plenty of challenges with the network equipment and they never gave up, never blamed others. There should be no question about the grass roots level that the ENTIRE staff and Skuzzy operate at.
On the last night, HT himself pulled security duty all night in the computer room...wound up sleeping on the floor. I remember tip-toeing around the room at dawn with Pongo wishing we find something to cover him up with. (We took an embarrassing picture instead.)
While HT came off as arrogant to Haha it should not be surprising.
At the Con there was a ton of stuff that I, as a rookie, wanted to talk to HT and Pyro about. It became clear to me right away that I needed more than a month of experience in AH before I could have an intelligent conversation with them. Why? Because it would have been more than slightly presumptious of me to ask a maestro how to play scales.
Because these guys have seen it all and invented alot it, I think it presumptuous to present them with idle squeaking in any venue.
If I have a concern about aspects of the game I want to make damned sure I've coaxed the emotion out of that concern before I talk to the pro. His first assessment of me is about whether or not I've thought though my issue. If I haven't, then even my vaunted 30 bucks a month does not entitle me to much more than a 'thanks for your concern'.
That's not about HTC Love Club. That's professional courtesy. Give it, as has been pointed out here already, and get it back.
Just to underscore what Pyro wrote, let's get the year started right by 'thinking through' the issues before we pop off. Let's be smart about where we address issues. That means all of us.
This thread seemed to scrape the scabs off of almost every unresolved issue in the community (expect Ripsnort's and JimBear's stinky socks which should be brought up to the Department of Agriculture).
I won't comment in the general board very often, but I did want to take an opportunity to share my experience with HTC.
Raider
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Good Post Raider! <S>
To further elaborate, I like to compare it to a restaurant:
You are NOT a customer in a restaurant, you are a GUEST. If you get loud, obnoxious, rude, you are kicked out. If you don't like the food, you can fill out the little card they leave on the table and tell them what you don't like. You can complain to the owner of the restaurant, but don't do it while he's sitting there enjoying his meal. You can ask for addional things to be added, or subtracted from the menu, but that does not mean they WILL be added or subtracted, after all, you are a guest, not the owner. If you don't like the food they serve, leave. There are many other guests at the door waiting to get in and eat, so its best to get out of the way so that those willing to pay to eat can sit down.
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Yep, good post Raider.
However, Rip.........please dont take this the wrong way, you are one of the few people on this BB that I make a point of reading the posts of. What you have to say is usually logical, intelligent and well put.
But I totally disagree, you cant compare this to a restaurant. Yes ok, we all have to eat....but who goes to the same restaurant every day along with 1000 others?
I *have* to fly. It's not worth going anywhere else because nowhere else comes close to this.
But there's that phrase again: If you don't like the food they serve, leave. Or: If ya dont like it ya know where the uninstall icon is. Or: Aces High, love it or leave it.
Bollocks, say I. With a boxed game sure, if it's naff then dont play it. But this isnt a boxed game, it evolves......and therefore if something could be better it can and should be made better. It's a two edged sword as well......I see people asking for gameplay improvements and being told if ya dont like it go away......I see people asking for a better terrain in the MA and get told do it yourself, ya know where the terrain editor is. (I should point out it's other players that do this, not HTC).
Most ideas people come up with on this BB seem badly thought out and are generally put in the form of a whine that gets insulting. This is why people get such replies.
But HiTech is an intelligent bloke, if someone ever *did* come up with a good idea that would work......and managed to get it on the BB without 30 people telling him to bugger off......then I'm sure it'd get implemented.
Swoop
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There were 100% f4us - I am not exagerating and have no reason to lie about the numbers
SUMMARY: I get vulched by 100% f4us for 30mins, I say to HT in what I thought was an adamint but friendly manner, "this is getting ridiculous..", HT locks my text buffer for 10 mins (giving me a nice big error message), I post here to tell my story, realize that was a mistake, and subsequently have been trying to explain the situation.
It seems to me that no matter what I say, or how I say it, I will always be the bad guy here. If you want to criticise, please read all of my posts on this thread first
If I could delete this thread I would, too many people here are narrow minded and only see/read what they want. To the people that have actually read and responded in a courteous and intelligent manner, I thank you, you are a rare breed.
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Sorry HahA,
You have misunderstood the rest of us, again.
Yeager
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Good post Raider.
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I get vulched by 100% f4us for 30mins
Could you make yourself out to be any more of a victim? Don't think so. No chance this is exageration either.
Obviously we had no idea how in the wrong 100% of the people in the arena were at the time and how much of a victim you were. Just think.. if you would have handled it differently, HT may have given you a free year of play to make up for all the injustice that was levied on you that fatefull eve.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Swoop:
However, Rip.........please dont take this the wrong way, you are one of the few people on this BB that I make a point of reading the posts of. What you have to say is usually logical, intelligent and well put.
But I totally disagree, you cant compare this to a restaurant. Yes ok, we all have to eat....but who goes to the same restaurant every day along with 1000 others?
Snip~
Swoop
Thank you for the compliment, and most prudent people can agree to disagree, I used the restaurant analogy to basically say this, one can leave, but with a product such as this,its comparable to putting your hand in a 55 gallon of water,then pulling it out, see any change in the water level? Nope. SO one or two people leaving, there are 4-5 that just joined on.
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Rip what is it with you and that 55 gallon drum thingy are you growing? LOL <kidding> and <running>
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Its his go-to analogy Torque.. give him a break.
My favorite along the same lines is in the form of a story:
I went out drinking with a fellow NCO, myself and our Chief NCO. The Sgt was getting ready to separate from the military after 4 years of service. The discussion pertained to his departure:
Sgt: I'll be missed when I'm gone.
Chief: We'll miss you for a bit, but you won't be missed.
I don't remember the name of the Sgt anymore.. nor do I remember the name of the 2 people that replaced him.
AKDejaVu
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Sorry DejaVu, didn't mean to upset you so much.
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As a side note..
There is a funny thing about being vulched.
You can't be vulched unless you want to be vulched.
So if I feel like the enemy is constantly getting E advantage on me, I have a simple solution.
I jump in my trusty Yak or my Pony, move to a more distant field, and come into the battle with more E than the vulchers. Who quickly become the vulchee's.
There is nothing more fun than coming into a fight and finding a whole horde of low E F4U's. Easy meat.
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