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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuckins on June 28, 2004, 10:31:51 AM
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LOVE that show!
If you had the money, what type of theme bike would you like to see Paul Teutel, Sr. and crew build?
He needs to build, for me, a bike dedicated to WWII Naval Iron...deep blue, stylized emblems, fast, lotsa range, comfortable "cockpit."
Regards, Shuckins/Leggern
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Love the show, but their bike building skills aren't all that impressive. 90% of the bike is made elsewhere, they just make a fender and handle bars and weld on some theme parts. If I had the money for one of their bikes I would buy an airplane with it.
ra
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hehe I like the show alot too.
I want them to make a bike for me here in Bermuda, but I doubt them build them that small. ;)
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I'd build my own bike, thanks
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lol..check it out:
My first post (http://discovery.infopop.net/1/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=6941912904&f=6121902826)
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I'd rather build a rat bike in my garage than to ride any of those gawdy girly bikes that those crybabbies build. Those are seriously embarassing looking bikes.
lazs
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bike week just wrapped up. a lot of really nice bikes. they all looked hot but the chopper that English guy built was just so clean and solid it was damn near perfect (get some rear suspension so you can ride more than 30 miles without pissing blood, and it would be)
on one hand it's very cool to be able to see bikes being built on TV.
on the other. I never thought I'd see the day when bike builders had publicists.
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Jesse James nailed it on the head the Tuttels are nothing but "cake decorators"
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this is one of my favorite web sites
http://www.motorcyclebuzz.com/
it has links to all the custome builders
not to mention more of :) (http://www.motorcyclebuzz.com/Motorcycle-Buzz/Biker-pics-cat.asp?media1Id=41)
(http://www.motorcyclebuzz.com/Images/Media/Motorcycle-Buzz/MediaCat41.jpg)
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Originally posted by lazs2
I'd rather build a rat bike in my garage than to ride any of those gawdy girly bikes that those crybabbies build. Those are seriously embarassing looking bikes.
lazs
hear hear
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A lot of guys at this site don't think much of the Tuttles either.
http://www.chopperunderground.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4088
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well.... I don't think much of jessie james either.. he has serious metalworking skills but everything he does is either ugly or effiminate or both... I knew arlen ness way back when and we used to rib him when he was making disco sportsters... we used to go look at his latest creation and tell him... "oh, looks like you nessed up another one eh arlen?"
I feel the same about the Hot rod shops that are building trailer queens for guys who can't even change a bulb in em.
hot rods and choppers weren't meant to be popular... They were meant to make you uneasy not to be 150k works of art.
lazs
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The only one on the show worth watching is Mikey, he is freaking hilarious.
As far as the bikes, yup, they are just catalog builders.
dago
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Originally posted by lazs2
hot rods and choppers weren't meant to be popular... They were meant to make you uneasy not to be 150k works of art.
lazs
hehe, everyone gets old lazs, if yer lucky
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Why build from scratch if you can order it and mod it yourself? Is it good business sense if to build your own frames if somone else can do it for cheaper. IRC They (occ) bought out Milwakee Iron who makes most of thier frames....
Seriously this is yet another example of the "Elite" hating somone for going mainstream......
I'm sure the tuttles lose sleep every night thinking about that and how they are going to cash a fat paycheck the next day!
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maybe they could get a deal with gucci to make em genuine bad bellybutton biker wallets and chaps and accessories..
They sure talk mean tho.
lazs
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When I see some of those hardcore chopper builders casting their own engine blocks I will take their bitter grapes seriously.
"Whoooo they bought their frame and wheels from someone else. Cheater cheater cheater. They are nothing but cake decorators."
It is smart business sense and artistic sense to contract out the painting and powder coating to specialty shops who can do a much better job.
Fabracating a frame is a total waste of time if you just want a nice balanced bike. Proven frames are the way to go. Making your own just results in a chopper that looks cool but drives like crap.
None of them make thier own wheels or engines or drivetrains.
OCC does a nice job taking a theme and working it into a design. They fabricate metal well. They are all young guys.
The other guys in the chopper build off show look tough covered in tatoos but they are a bunch of pansy bellybutton whiners.
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Originally posted by Habu
When I see some of those hardcore chopper builders casting their own engine blocks I will take their bitter grapes seriously.
"Whoooo they bought their frame and wheels from someone else. Cheater cheater cheater. They are nothing but cake decorators."
It is smart business sense and artistic sense to contract out the painting and powder coating to specialty shops who can do a much better job.
Fabracating a frame is a total waste of time if you just want a nice balanced bike. Proven frames are the way to go. Making your own just results in a chopper that looks cool but drives like crap.
None of them make thier own wheels or engines or drivetrains.
OCC does a nice job taking a theme and working it into a design. They fabricate metal well. They are all young guys.
The other guys in the chopper build off show look tough covered in tatoos but they are a bunch of pansy bellybutton whiners.
I agree with you to an extent. What I was saying is that I wouldn't spend the $ for an OCC or any other custom builder's bike when I could just as easily do what they did. Anyone can order components and assemble. I already own power hammers, punch presses, brakes and an english wheel. But I would do precious little fabrication myself if I could buy the components already made. That's smart on OCC's part. I don't like their product though much too flashy for my taste. I like understated things.
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Storch...no, not "anyone" can do what they do. I am useless around any tools and have been known to take bikes apart and have parts left over when I put 'em back together.
To me these guys are Gods....but I'd rather have lazs in a pair of chaps with the backsides cut out build me a bike. ;0
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Originally posted by Curval
Storch...no, not "anyone" can do what they do. I am useless around any tools and have been known to take bikes apart and have parts left over when I put 'em back together.
Sorry quite true, anyone who is mechanically inclined, with the proper tools and willing to make a few mistakes along the way can learn to assemble components. Is that better?
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Tuttle Jr is very talented at what he does, Tuttle Sr. is just a *******...... but I've got no use for a theme bike...... I'd much rather have a West Coast Chopper anyday! Jesse James rules!
I also think Paulie should venture out on his own, make regular, cool looking choppers, and lay off the themes....... he's got the talent and the resources to do it.
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I don't think he could do it on his own unless he started to use mostly stock components as the OCC shop has an incredible assortment of metal fabricating machines. On his own even making a twisted sissy bar would be almost impossible.
I think Paul Senior made a couple of pretty good bikes in the early shows (didn't he make the Old School bike that they now market as a regular model?) and I know the POW MIA bike had many of his ideas on it.
He was probably the guy that made the first few bikes and as such the guy who found all the subcontractors they use. Do not underestimate his importance to the process. I am sure he is also the guy who taught Paulie to weld and fabricate.
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I agree, but this is a case where the student surpassed the teacher... BUT, it is family........ Maybe Paul Sr. should just back off a bit.
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If they could get an assembly line going they could make a couple thousand of each unique bike a year.
lazs
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I agree, but this is a case where the student surpassed the teacher... BUT, it is family........ Maybe Paul Sr. should just back off a bit.
That wouldn't be good television :)
Charon
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I like the show. Started watching it after some of my students told me to watch Monster Garage a couple years ago. I think the bikes are cool, though I doubt they are anything more than show bikes. Oh well, I know I ain't hard core, so I can live with myself for thinking the show and the bikes they make are pretty slick.
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Originally posted by lazs2
maybe they could get a deal with gucci to make em genuine bad bellybutton biker wallets and chaps and accessories..
They sure talk mean tho.
lazs
I was talking to a guy a month or 2 ago that "claims" to know Paul Sr. probably knows someone that knows him... but anyways... his story was that Sr. is making the real money in merchandise anyways. something like 20 million a year or some crazy number like that... of course this is all from a guy that knows a guy.....
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Mos
He is prolly right.
You see OCC shirts and stuff everywhere now. I had no clue what the hell they were for tell I saw the show.
I bet they make WAY more money off, there clothes being trendy then making bikes.
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I'd rather have lazs in a pair of chaps with the backsides cut out build me a bike. ;0
I you were to actually look at lazs in that getup ... I would presume that your eyes would melt from their sockets and shortly after that you would turn to stone.
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I enjoy the show. mostly because I see a bit of myself or my friends in most of the guys there.
at work I'm most like Jr. sort of a "I know you run this place, but this is the part I do, I know what I'm doing, get out of my face and let me do it" approach
when dealing with my kids I feel like Sr. they are the only people in the world who can get me that mad. I couldn't imagine trying to run a business and having my kids work for me.
when I'm on my own time the people I hang out with are mostly like Mikey. that kind of guy can really set a mood and help you just have a laugh and a good time.
and the guys who I partner up with at work are usually like Vinny. very skilled in their own right, but they trust my judgment as to how I want to approach the over all project. they know that I know what I'm doing, but they just wish I wouldn't aggravate the boss so much.
it makes for good tv.
as far as fabrication skills, I haven't seen any great examples. mostly just cutting and welding, and the majority of any bending is done on machinery. about the most extensive fabrication I saw was the MIA bike, where he was hand bending the bumpers and such. all very basic stuff that can be done in most any shop.
what Jr does have is vision. he can picture the whole bike before it's made and see what different changes will do. thats a gift I wish I possessed. It wouldn't be bragging at all to say I could easily match anything they've done in-shop on that show with out even beginning to approach the limits of my abilities, but I would need a drawn up print of what you want the bike to be when it's done. thats the real catch, to be creative enough to see it and still be logical enough and skilled enough to get it to match your vision. all of those traits don't often show it in one guy.
most of the bikes the feature are more museum pieces than actual rides though. they look cool on a show but you'd just feel like a fool riding around on them. except Mikey's blues bike, I could throw my leg over that one every morning.
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..aghhhh, If it don't leak oil , it aint a bike!!
69 Bonnie and it's T120 are about as far as I'm goin. I'll even finish it one day...
I was thinking of a theme for the Bonnie,..kinda like the trailer thing....I can tow a large oil can, for all the oil she leaks....
:)
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Best fabrication I saw on the show was the fire engine tank done by a specialist..
But I like the show. Im just a geeky guy myself but lots of by buddies are tradesmen and hanging with them is just like the clowns on that show.
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I like these build it shows...the Wings Channel had the guy building a Europa, then a helicopter....awesome!
Then I got into the American Chopper bit. Mikey really makes that show. Whoever this new manager guy is (Kevin?)...I keep hoping Vinny wraps a welding hose around his neck.
Buildsmanship or not, Im always impressed at the fun they have outside the shop, or the good deeds...like re-shingling Vinny's house when he was stressing over it while away...or them stopping by at that hospital for the mentally challenged.
As for Jessie James...wow...I wish I could love myself that much and get paid for it. He has had a few good episodes (Jet car!)...but his "friends" that serve no building purpose are clearly smooching his butt for face time on camera. Hands down, he wins for the stupidest method to wear a ball cap. (Curve the thing, you moron!)
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apathy... I knew arlen ness too but I sure wouldn't watch a show where he was creating embarassing trash for rich folk.
Things are different but at least back in the day... id you seen someone on a wishbone framed pan shovel or a lightning cammed knuck or a chopped and primered hot rod... you knew he knew how it went together and how to make it run if it quit.
now... girls ride em.
maybe things are better now. they certainly are different. The pendulum swings tho. I see young builders building rat bikes and rat rods and the fat old men with gucci rods are envious.
choppers and rods were meant to be used.... they need rock chips and oil smears...
maybe they are better now but they aint hot rods or choppers.
as for the "monster" thing... the best monster I ever seen was a d9 cat built by a welder in colorado... it put all those "illustrated man" gucci boys televised projects to shame.
don't get me started on tattoos.
lazs
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Darn shops are to Clean ...... they aint fabin there just polishing the advertising .
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Originally posted by NATEDOG
Tuttle Jr is very talented at what he does, Tuttle Sr. is just a *******......
I dunno, Sr. seems a bit high strung, but he does care for his employees.
I can see where he gets off at times, I mean he built up a business, and wants it to succeed.
The only episode I saw where I thought he was really wrong, was the one where he chewed out Vance for not keeping the shop clean.
I don't have a problem with his setting the rules and enforcing them, I just thought it was F***EDUP that he didn't make the camera crew shut off the camera or leave the area as he "talked to" Vance about why he was sending him home for the day.
I guess I just believe in the adage about praising in public, and correcting in private.
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I enjoy the show, but I really wouldn't care to own any of the bikes. Especially considering you could get a brand new dirtbike, brand new sportbike, and a car for what one of those trailer queens costs.
As far as Jesse James goes... anybody notice how the same poseurs who had big "Fox" stickers on thier pickups 2 years ago have big "West Coast Choppers" logos now instead? Funny stuff.