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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hooligan on January 01, 2001, 07:11:00 PM
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This doesn’t personally affect me much since I very rarely bail but I really dislike chute-shooting. I consider it the ultimate in poor sportsmanship in the MA. IMO, things which tend to gently guide players towards more sportsmanlike behavior, will in the long run make this a game that is more enjoyable for all.
I am not suggesting that vast improvements will result in AH if this gets implemented. This really has nothing to do with history or realism. It is just a matter of personal preference.
I know some people are going to respond here and attempt to justify killing chutes (i.e. he was a SPY <gasp> ). Frankly, I don’t care and you are not going to convince me that this is anything but crappy behavior that needlessly increases hostility in the MA and reduces enjoyment in what is a GAME.
Pyro, please consider adding some small risk or penalty for chute-shooting. One thing you can do is to make all chute Icons just a white word CHUTE; no friendly ID, country color or symbol. i.e. The intent is to make the nationality of a chute ambiguous (especially in the chaos of a dogfight). It would amuse me greatly to occasionally see chute-shooters suffer from Kill-Shooter. Secondly, perhaps kill-shooter could be randomly turned on for enemy chutes some portion of the time. If these two were combined, then someone who wanted to kill a chute might not be sure that it was enemy and further would know that they ran some risk of Kill-Shooter even if it was.
Hooligan
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I kind of like the idea. On the other hand if they shoot my chute they waste ammo for no real gain that wont be fired at my buddy. But I do like the idea of the unmarked shoot.
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I would like a killshooter dot command that I can use if I think the guy shooting my airplane might be a chute shooter, then I could turn it on and he would be surprised and I will be guaranteed not to be shot in my chute.
I promise not to shoot his chute.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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Hit where it hurts... How about one chute kill gives you -10 perk points. Kill chutes and you will never fly uberplanes. Easy to do and could help arena atmosphere a bit.
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Awww... Come on....
I shoot chutes, your right IT IS JUST A GAME!!! get over it. Chute shooting hardly leads to poor sportsmanship, or any real life problems. and it IS part of the game.
NUTTZ
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Feel free to shoot my chute......if I open it up to high I deserve it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And if you are riding the silk evevator I'll take a shot at you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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what creamo said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I really hated chute shooters for a while. Later on I learned of a tactic that just might be of more use in this version than in the last. It's called a forward observer. An enemy player bails near you field. You let him go thinking he'll just replane. Wrong. He's still there talking to his budds and calling out corrections for shell fire, location of defensive vehicles and field damage conditions. He is helping to flatten your field. For that reason I'll shoot a chute near any friendly base or even the fleet. It ain't personal, just don't want you talking to your side while scoping out our side.
If that offends you, too bad. Come find me online and shoot me.
Mav
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I don't shoot chutes... Unless I feel like it for whatever reason. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I rarely do but when I do I LIKE IT!! There is generally a good reason. (ei: A guy that just shot my buddys chute... A guy that I feel is spying... And lastly If he deliberatly spins .. repeatedly HO's, Flops, uses AltS or if I feel he's a score monger from the Alto sphere. If you don't want to die in a chute.. don't bail! Maybe HTC should just count any bail as a DEATH in multiplier ..then it wouldn't bother ya!!! Thats really the point isn't it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
POP low and exit fast.. if that doesn't do it you didn't earn you bail!
Thunder
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Just look at my sig.
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Fat DRUNK Bastards.
Nothing feels sweeter than facing a powerful enemy 1 on 1, the battle is tough, but you emerge victorious. As he types <S>!!! on channel one, you open fire on his chute.
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LOL
I respect an honest answer!
If he poped his chute low and typed .ef before you got back he could <S> you from the tower.. hehe good point!
Thunder
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How about the guy in the chute have a fighting chance? Weren't most equipmed with a pistol? Sure, the odds of hitting someone bent on blasting your chute with a pistol is low.
But what if you DID?
And what if he bailed near you. A pistol fight to the death all the way down?
Hmm, interesting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Paul
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Another idea is to have no Icons at all shown for chutes.
Hooligan
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hey how about we put flowers in the end of our guns? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
personally i dont shoot chutes because i once saw an interveiw with an american pilot who described a german shooting bomber crews in their chutes.His eyes glazed over with something akin to pure hatred and disgust and then went on to describe how he shot the 'dirty bastard' down but made sure he didnt destroy his plane.Sure enough the german pilot bailed and he said he flew around him lined up and fired his mg's at him
'.50 cals sure make a mess of a guy in a chute' 'and that was that'.
His fellow fighter pilots saw him shooting him and thought he'd gone crazy until he later explained what had happened.
To see how emotional this story made this guy some 50 years after the event would bring home what this sort of thing shows about our characters.
I dont shoot chutes i prefer to buzz em and <S> my enemies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but hey this is a game you can do whatever you like (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
hazed
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I have something funny happening in 1.5 popple trying to kill my chute, yet, I took something like 200 Cannon rounds and never died...
Saw
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A Knight in a Lancaster was bombing a Bishop base last night from approximately 20k,I climbed up to kill him but before I could reach his altitude he wasted our base and ran for knitlandia.
I pursued him while climbing,when I was almost co-alt and gaining on him the bastage decided to bail out to deny me the kill. <hadn`t closed enough to shoot yet>
He *didn`t* get away with this chickenshit action though,I pursued him down and made firing passes on him-killing him before he touched down.
IMO he deserved it-as an added bonus near by was a knight C 47 going for the base the Lancaster had leveled,I whacked him and a chog who were in the area. <G>
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Shooting chutes has nothing to do with malice or hard feelings...at least not for me. I do it for the sheep. I've met these K'niggits and Rookies up close, and let me tell you, it wasn't pretty. I think I know what they're capable of when left alone with farm animals, and if you were humane you'd be blasting them in the silk too!
SOB
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Awww... Come on....
I shoot chutes, your right IT IS JUST A GAME!!! get over it. Chute shooting hardly leads to poor sportsmanship, or any real life problems. and it IS part of the game.
If it just a game it should be really ok if you are punished for shooting the chutes because it is just a game.
Chute shooting was not standard practice during WWII and it should not be here either. If you did shoot chutes all the time, I doubt that would have effected you career adversely. This might be simulated by perk point penalty.
I hope HTC has courage (or more propable time) to set perk point penalty for chute killing. I think this would send a clear message that it is not nice behaviour. You could still do it but you would never gain access to perk planes. Fair game ain't it?
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jochen
Kids today! Why can't they fetishize Fascist military hardware like normal people?
Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes
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Originally posted by Hooligan:
Another idea is to have no Icons at all shown for chutes.
Hooligan
I like that, that would be great.
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Originally posted by jihad:
A Knight in a Lancaster was bombing a Bishop base last night from approximately 20k,I climbed up to kill him but before I could reach his altitude he wasted our base and ran for knitlandia.
I pursued him while climbing,when I was almost co-alt and gaining on him the bastage decided to bail out to deny me the kill. <hadn`t closed enough to shoot yet>
He *didn`t* get away with this chickenshit action though,I pursued him down and made firing passes on him-killing him before he touched down.
IMO he deserved it-as an added bonus near by was a knight C 47 going for the base the Lancaster had leveled,I whacked him and a chog who were in the area. <G>
WTG Jihad! that was a good sortie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I don't see what the hell the big deal is. You can take it like jihad does who is erked he didn't get the kill but the lanc still stood a chance of killing him had he not bailed. you don't get anything for killing a chute except for less ammo. however I still kill them if I feel I need to such as when I don't want him seeing my fleet or c47 iam protecting. a chute is still an effective observer. Sometimes leaving the guy in a chute is a better choice, He's stuck there till he hits the ground and thats more of a delay till he gets back in a plane/vehicle. Killing a chute is typically a waist of ammo so if I kill a chute I either have a good reason to or I just feel like an ownry ol bastage.
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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"
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I don't usually waste the ammo any more unless the chute is hangin in the air and possibly reporting the goings on of our operations.
I do absolutley LOVE nailing a chute or better yet a free-fall pilot with the CV's 5" guns though!
-Westy
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I've created 30+ formation of Bombers and Fighters in AH, and have had the raid ruined by a chute spying on our formation leaving the airfield, reporting back the direction of our A/C, the direction of Goon taking off, etc. That is why I will continue to shoot any chute that opens high, or fails to exit once landing on the ground.
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Go with the perk penalty, I got enough to spare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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crying about chute-shooting should be a wake up call for you!! it is a sign for to think about your ego -
what is it that really gets you? its that someone is giving you the slap-down and you lost!! and there's nothing you can do about it - if that bothers you then you could probably use some humilliation - it happens to everyone get over it
[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 01-02-2001).]
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I don't see what the big deal is on chute-shooting.
Actually, I've seen claims from the LW that there was a lot of chute-shooting by the Americans in 1945 (of course, anything from any side regarding that must, of course, be treated skeptically)...it's hard to overestimate the impact the Malmedy massacre during the Bulge had on all US forces..there really was a "give no quarter" attitude after that.
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It would be kinda cool if you had a "backup" chute, like modern parachutists do. That way, you could bail at 20k and pop the chute and be an arty spotter, and if a plane came at you, pop the chute off and fall fast and away so he couldn't hit you. Then pop the backup just before landing.
X2
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Besides, how many of us have laughed our arses off when someone trys to shoot our chute and augers! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I still like the idea of a `no icon' on the chute or the player once they touch down. I can imagine everyone flying over their airfield looking for the little bastige! Time to grab an M-16 and go hunting! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Of course, if you bail into water, and don't warp back to the tower within 5 minutes, you should drown! Or HT should give the 'bail out' dude a Mae West so we can spot em in the water! Maybe they can just model the upper Torso when you bail on water and make splash's as you 'swim' across it. I am rapidly digressing. It would be funny to see though.
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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
'Criticism is always easier then craftmanship.'
[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 01-02-2001).]
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>I hope HTC has courage (or more propable
>time) to set perk point penalty for chute
>killing.
Hmmm. I'm curious.
Why would they have taken the time to make them shootable targets in the first place if they didn't want to provide that as an option? Why didn't they just make it invulnerable?
And if so, why would you think their opinion has changed on the matter?
Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by hazed-:
hey how about we put flowers in the end of our guns? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
personally i dont shoot chutes because i once saw an interveiw with an american pilot who described a german shooting bomber crews in their chutes.His eyes glazed over with something akin to pure hatred and disgust and then went on to describe how he shot the 'dirty bastard' down but made sure he didnt destroy his plane.Sure enough the german pilot bailed and he said he flew around him lined up and fired his mg's at him
'.50 cals sure make a mess of a guy in a chute' 'and that was that'.
hazed
Hazed, I saw that too, pretty kewl how he describe the whole affair. Hey did you see the other show mainly about RAF and LW pilots on chute strafing? Most RAF pilots said it was common practice for LW pilots to chute strafe. One RAF pilot describe how he got a Gerry's chute hungup on his left wing and slowly yawed AC to slip chute off no to tear it and save the LW pilots life. I also remember one RAF pilot saying "hell ya I killed them in their chute they were trying to enslave us"
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People in 'chutes should have their text imput blocked.
A penalty of some kind for shooting 'chutes would then make sense. But not before.
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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It would be kinda cool if you had a "backup" chute, like modern parachutists do. That way, you could bail at 20k and pop the chute and be an arty spotter, and if a plane came at you, pop the chute off and fall fast and away so he couldn't hit you. Then pop the backup just before landing.
This wouldn't work for many reasons:
[list=1]- I allways go for the chutist.. not the chute
- The average terminal velocity of a falling body is less than 200 mph
- My plane flies faster than 200 mph[/list=a]
I'm an opportunist/defensive chute shooter. I only kill em if they are right in front of me or have any kind of e advantage.
AKDejaVu
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His eyes glazed over with something akin to pure hatred and disgust and then went on to describe how he shot the 'dirty bastard' down but made sure he didnt destroy his plane.Sure enough the german pilot bailed and he said he flew around him lined up and fired his mg's at him
'.50 cals sure make a mess of a guy in a chute' 'and that was that'.
I imagine this would be similar to the hatred the German pilot had for the individuals manning a craft that planed to drop bombs on his homeland... indiscriminantly killing anything nearby.
Strange how one case of chute shooting is justified when someone sees his countrymen being slaughtered.. the other isn't.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 01-02-2001).]
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what would you do if someone dropped 6000 lbs of bombs on your house? not *A* house but *YOUR* house and killed your wife, dog and lil' timmy too?
imagine now that you were near that bomber in a fighter and you shot the guy down and got to watch him bail - what would you do then?
que patriotic music: "tally-ho old chum, jolly good battle - i feel so chivalrous here is a heart-felt salute! Bully ol boy!! here, let me go land and toss up a tent where my house was and then we will chat about our brave battle and how you waxed my family and we will have tea and maybe greco-roman wrestle...."
no you would kill the chump! i shoot chutes because i am evil and it is fun but if you ever needed justification there ya go-
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Jeeze. Again, what a bunch of bunched-panty girls.
"Don't shoot my chute! It offends me!"
The guys here asking what is the big deal, pointing out the ego issues, and especially the ones pointing out the strat of a nice high chute over an enemy base being shelled - kudos. Your panties ain't bunched.
The rest of you losers will look good in silk spattered with your unworthy blood. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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