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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on June 29, 2004, 03:13:25 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/29/iraq.reserves.ap/index.html
Poor SOBs. They did their service, now some are going to end up in body bags.
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Yeah, you really have to read the fine print on those contracts lol.
-Sik
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Retired soldiers aren't being recalled.
Any former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission.
Everyone who has ever served knows of this particular risk.
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Woohoo! eagler, BGBMAW, gunslinger, AKIron, MuckMAW, yeager, et al.....
Looks like you're time posting vacuous bravado on web boards could be over. You're manpower and ability to stop lead are needed badly. But why wait? Why not volunteer now to help the Army's plight and begin to practice what you preach.
Do "your" part in supporting your el presidente' and the war on terrorism.
" The Army is preparing to notify about 5,600 retired and discharged soldiers who are not members of the National Guard or Reserve that they will be involuntarily recalled to active duty for possible service in Iraq or Afghanistan, Army officials said Tuesday."
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4 years here, i haven't read that find print sandman :)
Then again, they aren't recalling Navy :D
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Doesn't look like the real terrorist nations will be dealt with anytime soon...
-SW
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Originally posted by fd ski
4 years here, i haven't read that find print sandman :)
Then again, they aren't recalling Navy :D
I did ten in the Navy and I knew about the IRR. I had always thought the term was six years, but they may have increased it since I got out or the policy changes from service to service.
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Cool! Maybe I'll get to do my part after all. I am ready, willing and able.
Hope I get a new uniform. The one in the closet is a bit snug after all these years of soft living.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I did ten in the Navy and I knew about the IRR. I had always thought the term was six years, but they may have increased it since I got out or the policy changes from service to service.
It was 8 when I started in 91. I remember standing at the MEPs saying "now wait a minute jack! this contract says 8 years, I'm only signing for 4!" That's when we got the lecture on IRR. And all the Vets I went to school with were very aware of their dates.
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I've been out since '92 so I'm probably past the deadline. But, if they called me I would go. Now, I would currently be a liability for the number of months it took to get in shape. But, I could probably still contribute in some support or logistics function and if need be my weapon would be clean and functional and ready to put rounds down range.
Charon
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Quick.
Go sign up at the local haliburton office. You can do the same job for 150k a year and increable benifits.
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Go sign up at the local haliburton office. You can do the same job for 150k a year and increable benifits.
LOL, I'd only be willing to get blown up by an IED or beheaded for The US Army, not money :)
[I don't think my wife would be too hot on that either.]
Charon
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westy
thanks but no, I'll let others who are slightly younger, more able and have choosen the military as their career go.
are you saying you cannot be for the war unless you are in uniform?
as usual you are full of ##it..
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It's easy to be for a war when you know you don't have to go.
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Originally posted by Furious
It's easy to be for a war when you know you don't have to go.
Furious doth speaketh truth.
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"are you saying you cannot be for the war unless you are in uniform? as usual you are full of ##it.."
Nope. I'm saying YOU'RE full of **** and cowering behind a keyboard while others go.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Retired soldiers aren't being recalled.
Everyone who has ever served knows of this particular risk.
yes they can call up retirees. its part of the deal, you get the check every month, your still avalible for duty. they have been recalling retirees for months from what ive heard. but from the way i understand only certain people in special fields. i was informed about the retirement deal and the inactive reserve commitment when i signed up. nothing special here, the hunt for warm bodies with recent and/or extensive military is on. and you cant beat being recalled to duty by being mercenary or whatever you want to call it. unless you were physically unable to perfome your duty.
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Did my 20. 1975-95. I even submitted a Voluntary Return to Active Duty on Sept. 12, the day after. Recieved a reply the following April/May time period. They sent a nice frameable document of how what a fine American I am to volenteer and come out of Retirement, thanks but no thanks.
If I was recalled, I would go. If not then, oh well they had their chance. Not going to volenteer again.
:D
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Mac. What trade?
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Originally posted by bigsky
yes they can call up retirees. its part of the deal,
I did some checking and I stand corrected.
Funny thing is... after doing ten, I can't be recalled. If I did ten more, I'd be eligible.
I think this is the applicable law: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/688.html
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Originally posted by SunTracker
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/29/iraq.reserves.ap/index.html
Poor SOBs. They did their service, now some are going to end up in body bags.
Nice troll
But seriously....
The print is not fine it is in black and white. You can be involuntarily recalled if you are in the IRR. Your enlisted time consists of 8 years total.....4, 5, or 6 active and the rest in the IRR. They can recall you for the duration of a conflict plus 6 months.
After 20 years you are eligible for a pension but you dont actually retire until you reach 30....prior to 30 years you are on "retention pay"
This is all in black and white on your contract and they actually MAKE YOU READ IT NOW before you sign it.
Looks like you're time posting vacuous bravado on web boards could be over. You're manpower and ability to stop lead are needed badly. But why wait? Why not volunteer now to help the Army's plight and begin to practice what you preach.
Westy....I was recalled to active duty to support operation "Enduring Freedom" on Nov. 27th 2001. My wife at the time was 3 months pregnant. I had 12 days to make my watermelon and pick up a pack.
NOW, I'm still ON active duty and I go were my commander in chief deems fit to order me to.
As far as body bags only 815+ have died as a result of combat in Iraq.....statistically more die from traffic accidents every year while on active duty.
Keep throwin fat on that fire :aok
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for your service
Do you work in statistics? Find out if you can how many Infantry have served in Iraq. And how many Infantry have died or been severly crippled in Iraq.
Then find out what % of drivers are killed or crippled each year in the US. Many different trades are of course suffering casualties in Iraq. But the majortiy of casualties are probably focused in a few of them.
Just saying that if you really believe that its safer in Iraq then on Americas interstates then you should look into it.
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Pongo
ABN RCN, * for you non~Military out there that's Airbourne Recon* communications, Signal Corp. Jumped for 8 1/2 years, tunnels for 18 Months...*burn out period for tunnel rats is about 8 - 16 Months.*
*2 tours at Bragg, Fresh outta Jump School, then 82nd Recondo, to include Panama and Jungle Training, MI, = 3 years,*
*3 tours in Korea = 11 years mostly commo and S-2, 1 in Germany, ACR Commo Chief=4 years, 1 tour Gordon as a Instructor =1 year,
*Finished at Huachuca=16 months.* Tired of the "Click" in REMF's.
Told myself once, when it isn't fun anymore then it's time to get the f**k out"
Fuffered a lower back fracture, L4/L5 Compression, pinched disc from jumping. Had to give up the Hardcore stuff. Made it to 20 years though, often in extreme pain.
Would do it all over again too if need be.
:aok
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82nd? if so wich Batallion?
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Originally posted by Pongo
for your service
Do you work in statistics? Find out if you can how many Infantry have served in Iraq. And how many Infantry have died or been severly crippled in Iraq.
Then find out what % of drivers are killed or crippled each year in the US. Many different trades are of course suffering casualties in Iraq. But the majortiy of casualties are probably focused in a few of them.
Just saying that if you really believe that its safer in Iraq then on Americas interstates then you should look into it.
just comparing deaths here....MORE US servicmen Die in car accidents every year than have died in Iraq.....it a statistical fact...
how do I know? I had to attend my annual summer safety briefing/suicide prevention class today. (dont read anything into that we've had those since 95)
I dont were you are mixing up infantry and drivers....they all catch bullets just the same.....Not trying to downplay the deaths just responding to the first statement about retirees ending up in bodybags.
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God bless all those in the ready reserve and best wishes.
They all have my full support. I wont stab em in the back while they do their duty protecting all of us here on the homefront.
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Volunteered after 9/11 also. Pounded the ears of every Guard/Reserve unit around. The Actives wouldn't even talk to me at all.
They all told me the same thing. If you can't total 20 by age sixty, we can't take you. I can only total 15, so they hung up on me. Badgered them for months too.
Wonder if they'd take me now? I think I'll give 'em a call tomorrow. I'm SURE they'll enjoy talking to me again!
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They probably wouldn't accept me back, I'm 47 and served 6, 4 active 2 reserve.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
just comparing deaths here....MORE US servicmen Die in car accidents every year than have died in Iraq.....it a statistical fact...
how do I know? I had to attend my annual summer safety briefing/suicide prevention class today. (dont read anything into that we've had those since 95)
Looks like you've might have been lied to.
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates1.pdf
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The numbers on the chart don't add up either as percentages or totals, do they?
ah, they're per 100k numbers.
So in '02 there were 34.4/100K accidental deaths and 1.1/100k hostile action deaths, right?
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Toad,
Keep hammering and good luck to ya!
:aok
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Originally posted by Toad
The numbers on the chart don't add up either as percentages or totals, do they?
ah, they're per 100k numbers.
So in '02 there were 34.4/100K accidental deaths and 1.1/100k hostile action deaths, right?
You're right, I thought I was looking at this one.
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf
Edit: Here's the Iraqi Freedom casualty statistics by type.
http://web1.whs.osd.mil/mmid/casualty/OIF-Total.pdf
Of course, Iraqi Freedom has been longer than a year.
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Now you just need hostile action deaths in Iraq in '03 and '04 and accidental deaths in those same years and you will have beaten a factoid into insensibility.
You might win your point though.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
After 20 years you are eligible for a pension but you dont actually retire until you reach 30....prior to 30 years you are on "retention pay"
I retired after 20 in the AF. Don't think it works the way you mentioned in the AF. I was told that I was subject to recall indefinitely. I have a better chance at winning the lottery than being recalled now though.
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Originally posted by fd ski
Then again, they aren't recalling Navy :D
...yet...
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But to say they are safer..
The sample size is everything.
Lets say that of the 1.5 million(number out of my but) servicemen in the army more then 800 die in trafic accidents.
But of the 25000 infantry in Iraq lets say 400 where killed. The chance of being killed in Iraq as an infanteer would be man y many many times the chance of dieing in a car accident.
The canadian army in ww2(and most armys) hid how dangerous it was to be in the infantry by hiding the deaths vs the stat of the whole army. The army had a casualty rate of 12%. The infantry had a casuralty rate of nearly 98%. Most of them had been injured. Some several times. The fatality rate was nearly 45%. something like that.
The sample size makes a huge differenc e for comparing how dangerours it is.
once again. all numbers fabricated. The 98% of canadian infantry was a real one though..
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From the CNN article on the callup:
About 2,000 such troops, who don't train regularly like active reservists but still have time left on their commitment to the military, have already returned to duty, most voluntarily.
Interesting, I thought.
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Well we can error on the side of caution and go with 145,000 deployed, that was the highest number.
So 607 x 100,000 / 145,000 = 419.
Over 1 year and about four months (once again on the side of caution.
419 / 16 x 12 = 314 dying due to hostilies in Iraq per 100,000, per annum.
"Now you just need hostile action deaths in Iraq in '03 and '04 and accidental deaths in those same years and you will have beaten a factoid into insensibility."
Getting there. But there is also a higher number of proportional accidents happening in Iraq as well.
149 in Iraq. Which is about 77 per 100,000 per annum.
The point being saying, "just comparing deaths here....MORE US servicmen Die in car accidents every year than have died in Iraq.....it a statistical fact...", isn't only misleading, it's also probably wrong.
In 2000 400 there were US military casualties due to accidents, even if they were all due to motor vehicle accidents, and that was out of over 1.5 million active US military personel.
Anyways, consider the factoid beaten out of sensibility.
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After 9/11 I called and tried to get back I was politely but firmly told there were no plans to recall any retired soldiers. I'm past my mandatory retirement date now but would be happy to go back.
They posted an article, Army Times IIRC what I read last week, that Title X prevents recall of retiree's. The Army is also about 20,000 over mandatory maximum allowed numbers with the stop loss actions in place. I don't have the paper right now but I'll see if I can locate it again.
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Originally posted by fd ski
4 years here, i haven't read that find print sandman :)
Then again, they aren't recalling Navy :D
Like they'd need a couple of old Viking mechs like us. :lol
'sides I did 8 years:D