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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MetaTron on June 30, 2004, 12:20:16 AM
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Stick stirring is on the increase and it's a nasty epidemic. Dive to the deck in the prayer of porking something (anything) before they die, is on the increase. There are more P38's, 190's, 109's, and Niki's and no one knows how to use any of them. A lot are climbing higher and don't know what alt is for. Buffs are more numerous. Panzers can die to two 50 cal hits. You can fly through enemies and there won't be a collision. Factories no longer offer a massive 'destroyed object' reward for using big eggs in the right spots. Now you can kill CV ack from 10k, but the puffy stuff sticks around even after all the ships are gone.
I love seeing someone pull too hard and then I get to watch their plane snap out of control (shouldn't they lose a LOT more E?). I hate seeing someone overcontrol with their rudder so their HO spray is more effective. I love the trees and the terrain.
Trains no longer have ack active. Trains are buggy too. Trains, warp, and cloak, and reappear (not behind trees either), and I've even seen locomotives fly.
I can sure tell when there's a vet facing off with me. His plane won't snap, spin, stir, or HO spray. The average users will do one, some, or all of the above without fail. Stands out like a sore thumb! :aok
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Oh, I see someone else has been paying attn.
Not to mention the carpet bombing on GV's at 100' off the gound:rolleyes: {oh wait they did that in AH1 also, disreguard}:(
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Thats impossible... or was from what I remember.
Bombs were duds in AH1 when not above a certain alt.
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This is a pet peev of mine. ie. I hate getting the "Do not move controls so rapidly" message. This happens to me many times in a fast roll rate plane Like the 109, 190, P51 ect. while following a squirmy bandit trying to get a shot. I have often wondered if my joystick is going bad when i get these messages more frequently than before. I didnt realize that the "Message along with the mega game induced joystick axis dampner" was invented to stop ppl from trying to manuver so much. I realize now why. I think it was a waste of time to model it in...but at least everyone is equally subjected to it. I hope. LOL
But if thats the case...why was any change necessary? After all in the Pre-"Do not move controls so rapidly" world.. every one was on the same playing feild as well. I know the general answer to my question is something along the lines of "Its too hard to hit the squirmy little bastage if he wont hold still" And "No one will ever get a kill that way" But this too is an adaptive issue. Acrosss the board sure there would be less overall kills. But again it was equal playing feild and we could have accepted it.
NO IM NOT SAYING CHANGE IT AGAIN. Its just an observation...nothing more.
Although it is irritating as all get out, to be all over a bandits butt squirming all over the place...poping off a few rounds at a time...knowing that enough will hit the mark in time to finish him...then suddenly you lose input control only to have his buddy (who was catching up to the fight from behind all the while), get a static shot on your butt and kill you when you would have had a kill too.
Second thought....give me full control back...with the good and the bad of it.
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I've never had the "Do not move controls so rapidly" message, ever.
I guess there are benefits from having a big old expensive stick setup afterall.
I have sensitivity at max all along the line, no damping, no deadzone, no nothing.
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Originally posted by jodgi
I've never had the "Do not move controls so rapidly" message, ever.
I guess there are benefits from having a big old expensive stick setup afterall.
I have sensitivity at max all along the line, no damping, no deadzone, no nothing.
NO WAY?....please do tell. What are you using? I LOVE to have the stick ultra sensetive. When i move it...i want things to happen. :)
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I prefer the manly "You gotta have Popeye's forearm" feel of force feedback.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I prefer the manly "You gotta have Popeye's forearm" feel of force feedback.
The danger with having the right arm much more muscled than the left is with girls: they'll have a tendency to believe that you're an addict of lonely pleasures...
;)
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I've never seen "Do not move controls so rapidly" either.
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Originally posted by deSelys
The danger with having the right arm much more muscled than the left is with girls: they'll have a tendency to believe that you're an addict of lonely pleasures...
;)
Oh my. :rofl
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Originally posted by Lazer
Thats impossible... or was from what I remember.
Bombs were duds in AH1 when not above a certain alt.
LOL ... bomb much Lazer ?
I think that Moil was embelishing just a tad.
It's not ALT .... it's distance. The bomb(s) must travel at least 1000 ft before arming.
So, if you are doing 300 mph at 100 ft AGL in a P-38, start a quick pull-up and at the same time pickle of the bomb(s), you will throw them more than 1000 ft and they will detonate.
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deSelys,
Au contrair. There are ways to compensate. Have you ever read "Of Mice and Men?"
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I have to ask the same question ... when a plane does that snap stall, shouldn't it's E state be drastically reduced ?
I fought a Spit IX last night and he had to have done that stick-stirrin' hard pull manuver at least 4 times and didn't seem to suffer to badly from a loss of E.
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Once I got all CH product EQ I have not had the "don't move controls so rapidly" message either.
http://www.chproducts.com
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Originally posted by Citabria
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ROTFLMAO
eskimo
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Fester, you must have one hell of a pic collection.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
NO WAY?....please do tell. What are you using? I LOVE to have the stick ultra sensetive. When i move it...i want things to happen. :)
I use TM Cougar HOTAS, with über2 gimbal replacement and Hall sensor kit.
I never had the "...rapidly" msg with the stock/default TM Cougar either.
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rest assured when you see the official seal of Voss you know you are getting 100% USDA choice malarky.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I have to ask the same question ... when a plane does that snap stall, shouldn't it's E state be drastically reduced ?
Basically speaking a snap roll occurs when the lift is much less on one wing than it is on the other. ie one wing stalls.
I know with my RC aircraft...Snap rolls can be done at high speed and at low speed.. Low speed snaps are much more E-Taxing than are the high speed ones because at low speed once the snap is complete...the speed is so close to both wings stalling that it you are flying on the Prop untill enough airspeed is re-gained to keep both wings flying. At high speed a snap still stalls a wing..but the sped is such that when the snap is complete...you energy isnt so much absorbed by the wings trying to re-gain lift. Shees i hope i explained that clearly. LOL
I know what i mean...just hope yall do. :D
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
This is a pet peev of mine. ie. I hate getting the "Do not move controls so rapidly" message.
I had the same problem a few weeks back and I have some bad news, chances are your stick is done, mine started off only happening a few times then after about 2 weeks I couldnt get off the runway without getting the messege.
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Originally posted by Citabria
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Bwahahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaa!!!!!!! IN IN IN.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
deSelys,
Au contrair. There are ways to compensate. Have you ever read "Of Mice and Men?"
Uhh? I've read it, but I don't remember this interesting tip... Can you enlighten me?
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Originally posted by Citabria
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OMFGROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Slap... Never did get around to bombing too many things... :D
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Meta-Voss, you stick out too... that really high plane in the back of the horde that only attacks when in no danger and runs like wuss when someone gets coalt. LOL, picking on guys who are learning the new FM and gunnery... shame
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At least i never see you in Elgay 7's :lol
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"Do not move controls so rapidly"
For those that get this message your solution is to adjust the DEAD BAND. You may have to do it on all AXIS. Go offline to find out if just 1 axis is causing the problem. Flying at say 2k wiggle stick up and down then side to side to see which axis send the dreaded message.
TIP :- I tend to inadvertantly put in rudder when banking with me twisty stick so I tightened up my rudder axis to compensate.
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Originally posted by Citabria
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LOL... Sweeeeeeeet INspiration!
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Well, I personally, am having a lot of trouble with this loss of control / spin by trying to turn too quick. Just gonna have to get used to it I think. In AH1 I had gotten to the point that I could retain my energy fairly well in a Yak9U, make good turns and remain stable, but in AH2 I cannot. Maybe I'm just rusty, but it seems that once I have someone on my six, I am DOOMED! :p I'll either get shot or fall to earth through my own fault. Theres gotta be a middle ground there somewhere.
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Originally posted by Citabria
rest assured when you see the official seal of Voss you know you are getting 100% USDA choice malarky.
Thank Krist for HiTech's elimination of Chan1 or this expertise would flow unendingly in the MA:rolleyes:
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deSelys,
Boss'es son...wasn't he a boxer? Always wore a powdered glove on his right hand to keep it soft for...you know...his future wife.
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The problem with stick stiring is that it creates mini warps. Makes it very hard to hit because you don;t really know where the bad guy is.
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The question is , are you playng AH as a serious simulation or as a game?
I mean in a real plane would you stick-stir that way?
Do you prefer a real plane conduct and to die one more time or do you prefer gaming the game and cheat the one on your six stick -stirring??
As they say, its all in your hands:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Lazer
Thats impossible... or was from what I remember.
Bombs were duds in AH1 when not above a certain alt.
Not quite the bomb must travel 1000' not drop down 1000' so if your traveling at X speed the bomb travels 1000' thru the air and is armed before it hits the ground. Of coarse this will allso kill the plane that dropped it or should anyways.
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... this will allso kill the plane that dropped it or should anyways.
Not if your were trained properly in the MAW. I got quite good at "throwing" bombs back in the day.
HQ guys never really bombed that much ... ;)
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Originally posted by Busher
Thank Krist for HiTech's elimination of Chan1 or this expertise would flow unendingly in the MA:rolleyes:
He and a lot of others are squelched on my end, Busher. They are insignificant.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
... this will allso kill the plane that dropped it or should anyways.
Not if your were trained properly in the MAW. I got quite good at "throwing" bombs back in the day.
HQ guys never really bombed that much ... ;)
I think you mean "lofting."
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I think you mean "lofting."
Only if you "throw" like a girl.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Only if you "throw" like a girl.
It's called lofting. Throwing is for boy scouts.
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Originally posted by Citabria
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In credible! ROTFLMFAO
Karaya
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Originally posted by MetaTron
It's called lofting. Throwing is for boy scouts.
Lofting is for girl scouts.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Lofting is for girl scouts.
I always thought it was fer Brownies?
Karaya
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Rather than argue with a twit I'll let him think he's won. Then he'll hear it called lofting on a Wings episode and realize what a tard he is.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Rather than argue with a twit I'll let him think he's won. Then he'll hear it called lofting on a Wings episode and realize what a tard he is.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
Rather than argue with a twit I'll let him think he's won. Then he'll hear it called lofting on a Wings episode and realize what a tard he is.
Oh .. OK ... YOU WIN !!!! ... now what ?
I wasn't arguing ... I was just playin' with ya ... geeesh.
I am probably one of the only guys that has responded to you in a post without dragging all your skeletons out of the closet and immediately dismissing you.
BUT ...
as usual your self-centered egotistical arrogance rears its ugly head.
I guess once a VossHole .. always a VossHole.
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Originally posted by stegor
The question is , are you playng AH as a serious simulation or as a game?
I mean in a real plane would you stick-stir that way?
I dont know.. Hows about you let me on your 6 in a "real" plane. Me with live ammo in a "real" plane...(Id prefere 30 mm cannons) We can find out how creative you become with the Stick and peddles when those tracers brodcats that you are about to "Really" die in your "Real" plane. :p hehe Slight control inputs cause no damage to a real plane. Flight stability isnt effected by even medium deflection on the control surfaces in a "real" plane. And slight inputs are easier than drastic inputs.( pressure on the peddels and stick are greater at the higher speeds and the more input you try to deliver the harder it is).. Again if we are talking about drastic input....the Black.Red out model adresses this problem just fine. Even more so in AH2.
:)
PS...ever see some of the Airbatic shows across the country in the past 15 20 years? The Extra 300's Cap232.. Yak52's?
Kirby Chamblis? There are some VERY Drastic direction changes and mega Stik Stiring going on. Even though the WW2 Ac werent capable of this type of Extreem manuvers. Im certian that the Stiring we are talking about here is totally possible in a real WW2 Fighter. And was probably even used from time to time ...You know...When someone was about to be blown into bits.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I think you mean "lofting."
Of course this is technique mastered by Ol' Voss/MetaTron during his days as a CIA F-16 pilot over Iraq.
BTW- We gonna see that game anytime soon?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by DipStick
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MetTron has been shot down.
A kill has been recorded.
ack-ack
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starts a thread and you come back with the same ol'chit as usual.....
and they are always the same people....
hey SKuzz....can't you keep these little idiots from hijackin threads.
fuggin wimps
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Gr IN
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Originally posted by Citabria
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No Just a Lame Ass