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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jaxxo on June 30, 2004, 10:54:28 AM
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Ah2 is a great game, I love it. HOWEVER....what are the most annoying things people do in your opinion. I'm not talking about strategy wise...just individuals. (Little venting is good for everyone)
My basic list:
1. A bf110 screaming into the furball canons blazing...gets two kills without having to manuever...auger's or gets whacked shortly thereafter...up's and repeats.
2. The ginormous amount of 190's setting up vulch runs on the runway from 14k up avoiding every airborne confrontation. (extend as far as necessary...repeat)
3. Your outnumbered 5 to 1 due to the horde joining your fight..3 out of the 5 set up for ho shots on every pass.
4. Oh yeah and the HUGE amount of carpet bombing going on...Gv's to hard to see so why not level the entire forest
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Most of my whine's seem to be gunnery related..people dont want to be bothered to learn so they use the aformentioned tactics.
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guys who face-shoot me with a 37mm elephant gun ;)
-Sik
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(In Erkel voice) Did I do that?
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lol, I would have done the same thing :)
I don't really have any complaints about the fights I've had in AHII. The "spin to avoid getting killed" maneuver makes me laugh though. "Don't spin, you'll just die lower" is my motto.
I typically can dissengage when the odds get too bad, although sometimes I don't leave myself enough alt to escape.
Most of the time I just get pissed at myself for being a handsomehunk lol
-Sik
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Keep the faith Jaxxo, AH2 is a different game.
So we will have different types of dweebs :)
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#4 is sooo true!
People are adjusting to the new game and developing new strategy.
Let's face it, gv's harder to see and remove, and with 3 vh's to kill, carpet bombing is the way to go if you are looking for a base capture.
I don't mind killing the buffs as they are coming in though, I've been getting more bomber kills than ever lately.
New game, new moves
I gotta quit flying that Spit V though, it's the only thing I'm in much anymore.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Ah2 is a great game, I love it. HOWEVER....what are the most annoying things people do in your opinion. I'm not talking about strategy wise...just individuals. (Little venting is good for everyone)
Chest pounding La7 pilots. I mean come on...it's a La7.
La7's are for grandma's!
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The "spin to avoid getting killed" maneuver makes me laugh though.
Guilty as charged!! :D
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The "spin to avoid getting killed" maneuver makes me laugh though.
Uh Oh. Is this considered Dweeby? I've done this on purpose in AHI a time or two and made it work. Haven't had a chance do this in AHII, with my lockups and CTD's, can't spin the plane from the desktop.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Ah2 is a great game, I love it. HOWEVER....what are the most annoying things people do in your opinion. I'm not talking about strategy wise...just individuals. (Little venting is good for everyone)
My basic list:
1. A bf110 screaming into the furball canons blazing...gets two kills without having to manuever...auger's or gets whacked shortly thereafter...up's and repeats.
aformentioned tactics.
o yes i was flying near the HQ in a BF110 and you were dogfighting some one in a spit and i came in at 400+ and got 1 30mm on your wing snap!:D
what plane does it matter i do that all the time in almost everthing 109g-6 g-10 P47D-40 F4U Moss i even do it in a zero some times and i often dont get whacked after i do it nor do i up repeat much
tho dont whine about some one having to not manuever to get a kill if thats the case then its the poor spits SA for not geting out of the way or trying a HO shot or good plioting by the BF110 driver
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AH2 has made me into a HO dweeb. I don't know what it is....if I went nose to nose with anyone in anything in AH1 I would be blasted out of the sky. I would avoid HOs like the plague.
In AH2 I seem to have gotten a number of HO kills.
Me likey.
muhhhahahahahahaa
:D
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Not talking about guys who actually care about living bro. Im talking about gettin the biggest guns and cutting a swathe thru the furball hoing everything in sight, then gettin popped on the sloppy reversal.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Not talking about guys who actually care about living bro. Im talking about gettin the biggest guns and cutting a swathe thru the furball hoing everything in sight, then gettin popped on the sloppy reversal.
to bad for him nother kill for me :D
i think there like Cats unlike dogs you beat a Cat and it does not learn so you try beating it MORE MORE MORE still looks at you then takes that poop infront of you still
some times AH players seem that way
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Originally posted by simshell
to bad for him nother kill for me :D
i think there like Cats unlike dogs you beat a Cat and it does not learn so you try beating it MORE MORE MORE still looks at you then takes that poop infront of you still
some times AH players seem that way
Simshell has been reported to PETA. Let's see who takes a poop now.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
guys who face-shoot me with a 37mm elephant gun ;)
-Sik
that's the trouble when giving head to Yaks. :D
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Oh, I see. So it is the 110's fault that you didn't see him comming with a ton of E and didn't get out of his way. Ok.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
guys who face-shoot me with a 37mm elephant gun ;)
Originally posted by Goth
Chest pounding La7 pilots. I mean come on...it's a La7.
What about La-7 pilots who try to HO Bf110s? All I was doing was killing GVs (poorly, I might add) and some grandma in an La-7 just BEGGED me to use those 30mm cannons on him...it's not like I ENJOYED it or anything :D
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Originally posted by Adogg
that's the trouble when giving head to Yaks. :D
Absolutely lol. My first thought was "did we collide?" lol. I'm such a handsomehunk.
Anyhow, I've seen this a few times and I don't think it's what steve is talking about:
I line up on a plane (both spits in my case) and as I get to about D500, they make a sharp manuver (up and to the left or right) and start spinning. The guys spin all the way to the deck, then pull out and try to fly away.
Now, it could just be that these guys just happened to see me up close and personal, and they just yanked the stick too hard and went into an accelerated stall, and were then unable to get out of the ensuing spin until they were under 2k. In fact, as people get used to the new stalls, this could easily be the case. But it was amazing how long they were just spinning. I made a pass, got a ping or two. Made another pass and missed, all before they pulled out at the bottom. Once they were on the deck it was easy enough to get the kill, but it was a long time coming lol.
-Sik
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As has been pointed out in another thread, some of these spin/stalls are problems with the plane (P38) or pilots not used to tougher model. When a P38 power stalls and flat spins from 10K alt to the ground - I don't think the pilot was trying to get away...
.... somethin's wrong.
I see a lot more cannon planes flying in AH2 because gunnery is tougher (I suppose). I also see a lot more cherry picking for the same reason (I suppose). Hard to find fights where 6 or 7 enemy planes don't bounce you when you're already dueling 1 or 2.
Is it that much tougher to get a kill in AH2 ?
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With the new burn rate, 190's are a pretty good option. I'd rather fly a 190 with full fuel than a spit with full fuel. In the first few days, it didn't seem to matter as everything was furballing. Now its back to the vast hoard travelling 3 sectors. Something fast with a lot of gas seems like a good plane.
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My peeve is the guys who fly the turning planes (zekes, spit5's, fm2's, etc) at a max altitude of 200ft.
I mean, come on! I gotta blow 24,800ft just to watch you turn out of my way?
Then I gotta climb, extend, reverse and do it all over again?
What a waste of time!
You guys gotta learn to fly higher, straighter and quit checking your six o'clock so often!
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
As has been pointed out in another thread, some of these spin/stalls are problems with the plane (P38) or pilots not used to tougher model. When a P38 power stalls and flat spins from 10K alt to the ground - I don't think the pilot was trying to get away...
.... somethin's wrong.
Yes, something is wrong ... with the pilot. Anyone who can't recover a P-38 from a flat spin at 10,000 feet without losing more than 3,000 feet needs to learn more about spin recovery.
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#3 is mine...Bob and waeve and dodge to have some guy HO you when your very outnumbered. I hate it.:(
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Found a new fun thing
up a 190 a-8 with the rockets. HO dweeb starts comming at ya wait till 2.0-1.5 out fire rockets. BIG puffy ack kills em. comence the whines:D
Life is good
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Originally posted by Blooz
My peeve is the guys who fly the turning planes (zekes, spit5's, fm2's, etc) at a max altitude of 200ft.
I mean, come on! I gotta blow 24,800ft just to watch you turn out of my way?
Then I gotta climb, extend, reverse and do it all over again?
What a waste of time!
You guys gotta learn to fly higher, straighter and quit checking your six o'clock so often!
Only a rook.....
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Found a new fun thing
up a 190 a-8 with the rockets. HO dweeb starts comming at ya wait till 2.0-1.5 out fire rockets. BIG puffy ack kills em. comence the whines:D
Life is good
I tried and tried and couldn't get the rockets to work, they wouldn't explode. 2.0 k out you say? Do they explode when they sense the aircraft or at a preset distance?
I fired them at a bomber formations 6 from about 1.0 out, nothing. :(
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes, something is wrong ... with the pilot. Anyone who can't recover a P-38 from a flat spin at 10,000 feet without losing more than 3,000 feet needs to learn more about spin recovery.
Yes, something is wrong.... but more about spin recovery under the new model in AH2 and with the "other" things going on with the 38. I don't think you can blame it on the sudden incompetence of a pilot (who has been flying the 38 for over a year in AH1).
Never-the-less... I'll defer to your expert P-38 and spin recovery expertise and let you talk to others about the 38 who are the regular fliers. The reason I brought it up is because it's quite unusual that regular 38 pilots would have sudden problems with its characterstics - but apparently not that unusual with the current patch...
Have a good day.
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you MUST be talking about me:( I'm doing pretty well in the 110 sofar. I always take a 110 to a furball, they really are great turners.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by jaxxo
Ah2 is a great game, I love it. HOWEVER....what are the most annoying things people do in your opinion. I'm not talking about strategy wise...just individuals. (Little venting is good for everyone)
My basic list:
1. A bf110 screaming into the furball canons blazing...gets two kills without having to manuever...auger's or gets whacked shortly thereafter...up's and repeats.
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Yes, something is wrong.... but more about spin recovery under the new model in AH2 and with the "other" things going on with the 38. I don't think you can blame it on the sudden incompetence of a pilot (who has been flying the 38 for over a year in AH1).
Never-the-less... I'll defer to your expert P-38 and spin recovery expertise and let you talk to others about the 38 who are the regular fliers. The reason I brought it up is because it's quite unusual that regular 38 pilots would have sudden problems with its characterstics - but apparently not that unusual with the current patch...
Have a good day.
I'm no P-38 expert, however I have no problems with flying it. I just tested the P-38 to see if the FM had been changed since I tested it last. Immediately after take-off I do a loop, then I fly at 55 mph while keeping the P-38 in controlled level flight (was this possible in R/L?), then I climb to about 7k and do a couple of spins. The first spin is induced by violent elevator and rudder input. Stalling the P-38 in an extreme nose-up situation while using violent elevator and rudder input induces the second spin. Both spins are easily recovered. I have yet to experience a so-called "unrecoverable spin" in any aircraft in both AH and AHII.
Here's the AHII film. Use the AHII film viewer to play it.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/245_1088640690_gs-p38.zip
Edit: Oh and have a good day too Sir
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I'm no P-38 expert, however I have no problems with flying it.
I rarely have a problem with the P-38 stalling although I fly it on the edge most of the tiime. Only three times since the beta of AH2 began have I ever had a flat spin. When they do happen there isn't much warning. Not even sure how I managed it, but a squad member watch me fall to earth straight down while the plane was still level.
Now sometimes in combat I may loose control for a moment or two, but those are not intentional. Just pushing the envelope a bit to hard. Over all I think the 38 flies much better in AH2, although the glass tail thing is a real disappointment. I killed another P-38 the other night, hit his left engine, scored hits on the inner sections of the the wing around the cockpit. Just before I did hit the cockpit, I watch the whole tail section fall off, and I didn't even put one round into it.
Kind of makes you wonder, just what does make the tail actually fall off!
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When you enter a flat spin it is VERY important to throttle back to bring the nose down. In some planes in AH1 (like the 110) you'd actually have to shut the engine(s) off to bring the nose down.
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"Oh, I see. So it is the 110's fault that you didn't see him comming with a ton of E and didn't get out of his way. Ok."
Gscholz go suk an egg. U were giving me crap in the ma on Ch.200 the other day for some reason. Have i wronged you in some way or did ya just start being a jerk on a whim? Dont appreciate the personal attack on ch.200 btw. Been playin for 3 yrs never had a prob with anyone.
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Originally posted by GScholz
... then I climb to about 7k and do a couple of spins. The first spin is induced by violent elevator and rudder input. Stalling the P-38 in an extreme nose-up situation while using violent elevator and rudder input induces the second spin. Both spins are easily recovered. I have yet to experience a so-called "unrecoverable spin" in any aircraft in both AH and AHII.
Not all fights take place at 7K ... go do it on the deck, stall fighting a using flaps. Please post the film of how you recover from that spin.
At 7K ... pfffft ... big deal.
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SlapShot, if you can conjure up the mental capability please notice that I was responding to the argument that the P-38 is modelled wrong because some AH P-38 "regular flier" spun in from 10K. If you spin on the deck you're dead, regardless of what plane you're in.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
"Oh, I see. So it is the 110's fault that you didn't see him comming with a ton of E and didn't get out of his way. Ok."
Gscholz go suk an egg. U were giving me crap in the ma on Ch.200 the other day for some reason. Have i wronged you in some way or did ya just start being a jerk on a whim? Dont appreciate the personal attack on ch.200 btw. Been playin for 3 yrs never had a prob with anyone.
What personal attack would that be? IIRC it was you that called me "a bigger dweeb than Shane" for laughing at your 110 whine on ch200.