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Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Krusher on June 30, 2004, 12:07:44 PM
Moore vs Christ  


A.O. Scott, New York Times:

"Fahrenheit": "Mr. Moore's populist instincts have never been sharper. . . . He is a credit to the republic."

"Passion": "Gibson has exploited the popular appetite for terror and gore for what he and his allies see as a higher end."

Ty Burr, Boston Globe:

"Fahrenheit": "Should be seen because it takes off the gloves and wades into the fray, because it synthesizes the anti-Bush argument like no other work before it, and because it forces you to decide for yourself exactly where passion starts to warp point of view."

"Passion": "If you come seeking theological subtlety, let alone such modern inventions as psychological depth, you'll walk away battered and empty-handed."

David Edelstein, Slate:

"Fahrenheit": After the screening, a friend railed that Moore was exploiting a mother's grief. I suggested that the scene made moral sense in the context of the director's universe, that the exploitation is justified if it saves the lives of other mothers' sons.

"Passion": "A two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie--The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre--that thinks it's an act of faith."

Eric Harrison, Houston Chronicle:

"Fahrenheit": "[Moore] is an indispensable treasure, and his imperfections are part of the reason, because they mark him as real."

"Passion": "It's awful because everything he knows about storytelling has been swept aside by proselytizing zeal."

Geoff Pevre, Toronto Star:

"Fahrenheit": "A plea for America's deliverance. . . . It may not be an argument one agrees with, and it may be unbalanced and propagandistic, but it is both convincingly argued and sincerely motivated."

"Passion": "A work of fundamentalist pornography."

David Sterrit, Christian Science Monitor:

"Fahrenheit": "Is the label 'documentary' appropriate for this openly activist movie? Of course it is, unless you cling to some idealized notion of 'objective' film."

"Passion": "The highly selective screenplay includes only a few of Jesus' words, spoken in occasional flashback scenes."

James Verniere, Boston Herald:

"Fahrenheit": "At a time when the film industry is turning out sugarcoated, content-free junk, Moore has given American viewers a renewed taste for raw meat."

"Passion": "An exercise in sadomasochistic bullying."
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Chairboy on June 30, 2004, 12:16:07 PM
So now it's:
CHRISTIANS VS. LIBERALS!!!
Sunday! SUNDAY!! SUNDAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!
This weekend only, limited engagement only!
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Charon on June 30, 2004, 01:08:54 PM
To really get to the bottom of it we should see how they rate the new Batman movie.  We already have the apple and the orange, all we need now is the pear.

Charon
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2004, 01:11:00 PM
Excellent comparisons Krusher, irony defined.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: midnight Target on June 30, 2004, 01:16:33 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Excellent comparisons Krusher, irony defined.


Or just maybe... one movie is well done and one is not.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2004, 01:17:15 PM
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Originally posted by Charon
To really get to the bottom of it we should see how they rate the new Batman movie.  We already have the apple and the orange, all we need now is the pear.

Charon
Oh I dunno, both featured crucifixions.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Otto on June 30, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Or just maybe... one movie is well done and one is not.



I agree....
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: vorticon on June 30, 2004, 01:30:17 PM
just the critics are to stupid to tell wich is wich
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Or just maybe... one movie is well done and one is not.


You could be right, I've seen only one of them, you?
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: midnight Target on June 30, 2004, 02:14:17 PM
Don't have the urge to see either film. Movies are for fun and escape, books are for reflection and education. I try to keep the 2 separated.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2004, 02:22:10 PM
No argument from me, I prefer to read but find time to do both. BTW, one of those movies was based on a book while the other was based on fantasy.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Chairboy on June 30, 2004, 02:36:05 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
No argument from me, I prefer to read but find time to do both. BTW, one of those movies was based on a book while the other was based on fantasy.

Fahrenheit 9/11 was based on a book?
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on June 30, 2004, 02:46:12 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Fahrenheit 9/11 was based on a book?


At least the title was. ;)
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Dinger on June 30, 2004, 05:01:27 PM
So positions on the current president deserve the same degree of reverence and consideration that positions on Jesus do?
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Gunslinger on June 30, 2004, 05:33:57 PM
I allways find that movies the critics hated I thoroughly enjoy and vs. vrs.  

Example briges of madison county is not a movie I plan to see that got rave reviews.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: J_A_B on June 30, 2004, 06:55:51 PM
Well, when you spend your life watching movies, including but not limited to such habits as watching "Citizen Kane" frame-by-frame, do you really expect these individuals to retain "normal" tastes?


Most of the public does not watch several hundred movies per year, so what seems "old" and "boring" to the critics can and will seem "entertaining" to most of us.   I imagine that is why F/911 gets such good reviews--not because of its political agenda so much as because when you watch movie after movie after movie all year long, it's something different .

Certainly there are SOME critics with political motivations, but I can't imagine ALL of them are motivated by politics.  It's just different than what they're used to, so they liked it.

Personally?

I assume that like any movie made "for today", it will be entirely forgotten 20 years from now.

J_A_B
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: IK0N on June 30, 2004, 07:04:41 PM
Both were Propaganda! Nothing less...
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2004, 07:17:51 PM
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Originally posted by Chairboy
So now it's:
CHRISTIANS VS. LIBERALS!!!
Sunday! SUNDAY!! SUNDAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!
This weekend only, limited engagement only!


take it easy chairboy before you bust a band ... LOL

now someone tell me again that the left is not leading this country down the toilet...
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Eagler on June 30, 2004, 07:18:52 PM
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Originally posted by IK0N
Both were Propaganda! Nothing less...


sad if you think the sacrifice of Christ was "propaganda"
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Dinger on June 30, 2004, 09:55:41 PM
It was.
and I study catholic theology for a living.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Nash on June 30, 2004, 10:01:10 PM
anyone here study catholic theology for a living and liked the movie?

hehe
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Toad on June 30, 2004, 11:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dinger
It was.
and I study catholic theology for a living.


My sympathies. Four years of the Jebbies was all I could take. I you!
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Arcon on June 30, 2004, 11:45:37 PM
the title "Fahrenheit 9/11" refers to a book titled "Fahrenheit  471"

471 degrees Fahrenheit is the temparature at which paper burns.

The book refers to a futuristic book-burning society.

^Irony....

FYI
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 01, 2004, 12:08:45 AM
451
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Gunslinger on July 01, 2004, 12:10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
451


I thaught this was about moores movie fahrenheit 911?
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Nash on July 01, 2004, 12:10:08 AM
potatoe

:D
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Gunslinger on July 01, 2004, 12:12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
potatoe

:D


I read good!
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Arcon on July 01, 2004, 03:27:00 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
451


Fahrenheit 451 (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/451/)

I stand corrected. Brain Fart. It was nappy time for me.

This is relevent to the discussion really only because the title makes an "out of context" comparison to the original book.

The original book refers to a book burning (i.e. knowledge destroying) society where the common man is encouraged to remain in ignorance.

Haven't seen the movie. Done enough personal investigation to sincerely hope that Bush doesn't remain in office, and feel badly for whoever may have to follow him in the presidency. Seems like a pretty big mess to try to clean up right now.

I also believe that ANYONE posting in a quasi-political debate should also post their social class (i.e. upper,middle,low)

I'm middle class. A class that's getting smaller all the time. I work as a machinist. I'm white and speak english and I've beome the minority in my work group.

This doesn't look good to me, and seems like a very poor economic forecaster.

As far as the movie goes: very one-sided, with Moore using editorial license quite liberally, according to what I've read.

But if it encourages people to find out fot themselves what's REALLY been going on in the white house, GREAT.

It has acomplished its goal. I'd take its "facts" with a grain of salt, purely for reference.

Feel free to flame or carry on the the "discussion".
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: midnight Target on July 01, 2004, 08:30:31 AM
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Originally posted by Toad
My sympathies. Four years of the Jebbies was all I could take. I you!


I did 8 with Dominican Nuns.

Back when they still wore wings on their heads.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: Toad on July 01, 2004, 10:14:28 AM
Oh, I had 8 with the Sisters of St. Joseph before that. But they weren't completely theology focused. They actually were pretty darn good teachers.

Although I have a few knuckles that still show ruler marks. Handy for measuring things.
Title: The critics LOVED IT
Post by: AKIron on July 01, 2004, 10:19:42 AM
I got you guys beat, was raised Southern Baptist. ;)