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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: medicboy on June 30, 2004, 01:53:45 PM
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GOt this from a friend in the forest service in N cali where I used to live, this lion was killed on a ranch after it was found eating a calf that it had killed. They had to track it with dogs (in the bed of the truck) Not the biggest I have ever seen but it is a very large male (tom)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/155_1088621375_mtnlion.jpg)
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It looks really dead....
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Check out those paws...bigger than my sister's Great Dane.
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Guess he shoulda went to McDonald's. ;)
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That is a very big Cougar!
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A big shame !!
such a beautiful animal
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Hey bug, don't worry there is no shortage of lions in cali or anywhere in the west for that matter.....
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good reason to shoot more deers lateron
still a waste of a beautiful animal
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I still wouldn't call it a waste, saved the rancher a lot of money in the long run, but I do agree they are truly amazing animals. If you have ever looked one in the eyes (live) from close distance it almost puts you in a trance.
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damn money
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In the US and Canada, some stats guys claim there's about 1 person dying per year out of ~6 cougar "injury" attacks.
Cougars and people in close proximity don't mix all that well.
I doubt that will change.
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Those 'injury attacks' don't seem to be just scrapes and bruises.
Didn't some girl just get her eyes poked out a couple of days ago in Cali?
Aint got nothing to do with money... If I saw one of those things I'd shoot first and maybe possibly ponder the loss of such a great animal from the comfort of home. shreck me... that thing is huge.
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Kinda like humans and rattlesnakes, eh Nash?
Both go for the throat on sight.
Except the snakes don't. They generally try to avoid you, just like most cougars. There are the ones that break the generality though.
Generally, a healthy cougar wants nothing to do with man. The old or sick ones view you as "easy meat" compared to a deer I guess.
I wouldn't shoot one on sight. Assuming I saw one, I'd make some noise and give him room to exit while I maneuvered to exit.
However, if he wanted to press the issue at any time, I have no compunction about turning him into a rug if I can. Of course, there are "officially" no cougar in Kansas, so the folks that have killed them here have been issued a ticket.
Seems it's illegal here to shoot an animal that doesn't exist within the State boundaries and is therefore not here at all.
Or something.
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You're a bigger man than me. I can outrun a snake. I can't outrun one of these things. If I had a gun and came across one of these things I don't think I'd spend the time looking into its eyes and getting into a trance or trying to act all Gentle Ben. Bears and these things freak me out. Yeah it sucks but whatever.
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Originally posted by Nash
You're a bigger man than me. I can outrun a snake. I can't outrun one of these things. If I had a gun and came across one of these things I don't think I'd spend the time looking into its eyes and getting into a trance or trying to act all Gentle Ben. Bears and these things freak me out. Yeah it sucks but whatever.
Just curious, since I noticed you enjoy camping/fishing: have you had any close encounters with dangerous animals?
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Well, I got attacked by a couple of crows, a pitbull almost killed my bass player and I stared down a lawn bucket... but nah, not really.
I've seen some bears within, say, 200-300 feet but that's about it. Saw a couple coming out from inside someone's tent trailer.
It's the damn stories that paralyze me. :D
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A lady was mauled and a man killed by a lion about 20 miles from here a few months back. I walk in the local hills quite a bit. I know it is potential lion country, but it helps to bring along a walkin buddy.
He will see hear smell and probably attack the critter before I am aware it is near. He'd lose, but he'd attack.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_94_1057871605.jpg)
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Damn good shot on whoever kilt it.
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Too bad dead kitty.
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Young student went missing from school couple of years ago in Colorado. If memory serves, he was attacked and killed by a young, healthy cougar while walking on a path through the hills behind the school. When authorities found the body the face was missing and a considerable portion of the body consumed. This was in an area where those who had complained that the growing boldness of indigent cougars was endangering pets and humans were shouted down by local tree-huggers who most vehemently opposed any attempts to reduce their numbers.
The old saw about "only the old" attack humans is being proved untrue, as more and more cougars, now largely free of any "threat" from humans, increasingly lose their fear of us, and begin to see us as just another type of prey.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
A lady was mauled and a man killed by a lion about 20 miles from here a few months back. I walk in the local hills quite a bit. I know it is potential lion country, but it helps to bring along a walkin buddy.
He will see hear smell and probably attack the critter before I am aware it is near. He'd lose, but he'd attack.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_94_1057871605.jpg)
Damn fine looking dog, Tahgut.
culero
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Originally posted by Nash
Well, I got attacked by a couple of crows, a pitbull almost killed my bass player and I stared down a lawn bucket... but nah, not really.
I've seen some bears within, say, 200-300 feet but that's about it. Saw a couple coming out from inside someone's tent trailer.
It's the damn stories that paralyze me. :D
LOL. Well I haven't had the chance to run into anything that might consider me a snack considering the places I've lived aren't known for large predators. I *did* have a red fox take off running with my boot in it's mouth once. It would run about 50 feet and stop to make sure I was still chasing it. :rofl Eventually he must have gotten bored or felt pity on the stupid human cause he dropped it and went off to mind his own fox business again.
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I've been too close to javalinas, alligators, snakes and pissed off Bulls, but I was always able to outrun them. That cat would get shot, and so would a bear.
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From what I've heard one of those cats can go from standing there to jumping 30 feet through the air right at ya. At least. That true?
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Everyone who knows is dead.
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heh. :)
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Yeah, I guess it's true they view kids as prey. I just haven't heard/read about too many of the prime, healthy cats taking on full-size humans. I'm sure there are some of those incidents too though.
In general, if they sneak up on me (quite possible as I'm about half jet engine deaf) it'd be "fight's on" as soon as I realized it. But if I see them before they start getting those "Daffy Duck sees Elmer Fudd turn into the Thanksgiving Turkey" looks, I'll give us both a chance to back out of a mistake.
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That's very considerate of you Toad. :)
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but what I've heard about these cats is that while you got yer fruit boots all strapped on skatin' down a path with your kids.... these cats sit perched 30 feet away, think food, and you don't hear a thing until yer face is ripped off.
"fight on"?
"Let them back out of a mistake?"
lol
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It looks really dead....
I think he's just tired.
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What's more, they are hunters. They will let the group pass and pick off Johnny as his little pudgy legs get tired.
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Originally posted by Nash
That's very considerate of you Toad. :)
Maybe I'm totally wrong, but what I've heard about these cats is that while you got yer fruit boots all strapped on skatin' down a path with your kids.... these cats sit perched 30 feet away, think food, and you don't hear a thing until yer face is ripped off.
"fight on"?
"Let them back out of a mistake?"
lol
yeah, I heard that people are stalked by them for miles too, and they can leap about 20 feet horizontally. Hell, I wouldn't want to tangle with a pissed off housecat. Can you imagine trying to fight off one of these?
The mountain lion is probably some of the most beautiful looking cats though.
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I don't go out in those places without packin' an "equalizer".
They can sneak up on anybody; it's what they do for a living, isn't it? "Cat-like" and all that?
So if I get bounced, yep "fight's on!"
What are you gonna do? Curl up in a ball and die?
If I see 'em first, I'll try to back away. But me and Sam Colt will be watching them real close.
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Playin' dead doesn't work with the big cats. Some will bite through the rear of the skull. Leopards jab their fangs through the eye socket into the brain.
Cats ate more of our ancestors than any other predator.
Don't want to see them wiped out...but I have no illusions about them either.
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Maybe a large knife would be good too, easier to handle while being mauled maybe?
It's funny, those cats are all over the state here, and I never really thought about being prepared for an encounter. I guess me changes me mind about that.
I was suprized when black bears started coming into the city here (Phoenix metro area) during a drought a couple years ago. It's a damn desert, I never though about bears here, but then I heard that the Fort McDowell Mountains have some of the highest concentrations of black bears in the country.
Makes me think more about being prepaired while out and about.
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We have a lot of Mt. Lions and wolves, things of the such. $50 bucks an animal up at our land. I know its cruel and all, but they kill the cattle, and people, and thats not allowed around there where if you dont own a shotgun, deer rifle, and .22 you don't have a say in anything.
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That was one hell of a shot...:aok
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Originally posted by VOR
have you had any close encounters with dangerous animals?
I once was day hiking in Glacier and had a close encounter with a she bear. As soon as I backed away far enough that she thought I was no longer a threat, she tended to her cubs.
That evening I was having a beer in the local bar and said something wrong to a babe at the bar. I got the s**t beat out of me by a couple of outlaw bikers.
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Prolly cuz you tried to pick up a 60 year old mama bear and the outlaw bikers were her illegitimate cubs. :D
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wtf? I responded to a disapeared post... Reminds me of a Riptard debate.
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No, I was sitting there minding my own business, nursing a beer and thinking about that days hike, when she came over to me and propositioned me.
I took one look at her and said, "No thanks, lady. If you were cast as Lady Godiva the horse would steal the show."
The next thing I remember was waking up in the hospital.
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There are actually people who go hiking with children in territory that has cat/wolf type predators?
Darwin obviously gets the best of us. (http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/cwm/3dlil/eek13.gif)
-SW
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Ive been a hunter for 12 years, I hike every weekend in prime mt. lion country in AZ, when i lived in NY I hiked in the company of black bears. In all this time I have never been confronted by anything dangerous. The biggest issue that comes into play (in most cases) with attacks is lack of knowledge. Generally attacks occur where a lion has been given food by humans in the past, or that the lion has become so used to humans and the fact that they pose no threat that they become complacent and more daring. Also the lack of respect for these animals causes issues, people belive they can hike into a canyon and not worry about anything, then when they see a lion they freak and belive the lion is at fault.
Like I said I have hunted for many years so I am by no stretch some animal rights nut, but I do belive that ignorance among people causes an overwhelming fear about these lions. As far as cattle ranchers and other farmers all I can say is WHAT DO YOU EXPECT, I mean its like the people who build houses on the mississippi flood plain then cry when there house floods. Yes its tragic but you have to realize what you are doing.
In most cases lions will be easily detered by load noises and by a human acting aggressivly, there are exceptions to this, if the lion is starving or protecting its youth, there is almost no way to fend it off from attack.
RTStuka
P.S. - Im dying to go on my first lion hunt.
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Originally posted by Nash
You're a bigger man than me. I can outrun a snake. I can't outrun one of these things. If I had a gun and came across one of these things I don't think I'd spend the time looking into its eyes and getting into a trance or trying to act all Gentle Ben. Bears and these things freak me out. Yeah it sucks but whatever.
Note: The few times I have been staring into the eyes of one of these predators (2 times last fall) I had a 300 wsm in my hands. If one of them would have made an agressive move... bang. I wont go hiking around here with out my 41 mag. I have no problem with shooting one of these. You can get tags for them here in Mt.
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Big cats don't really kill their prey by biting them, according to a show I saw recently. They get their prey down and hold them still with their front paws and their mouth and then use their rear claws to disembowel their prey. They kind of hug the victim and basically scratch out the stomach.
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Or suffocate them by biting the throat.
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I saw that show too Curval, it was called Jurassic Park, and the cats were called Velociraptors.
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Jurassic Park is a little "racey" for the Discovery Channel.
:p
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Everything I've read on African killer cats says that usually the animal has been injured somehow and can't get their normal food. Anything from a broken jaw from a prey animal to a porcupine quill up the nose that got infected.
However, there are cats (usually leapords from what I've read) that figure out that the hairless monkeys are easier to catch than a gemsbok. There's nothing wrong with them, unless you figure they're lazy ;)
I've hunted and camped in Arizona my whole life and I've seen the ass-end of one cougar. For a second. But that was a cat who probably had little contact with humans and was scared of us.
It's the cougars that, because of encroaching on their habitats, lose their fear. Then we go from being an unknown threat to being lunch. And it seems that once they decide to become maneaters, that's what they will be until they are killed.
Right now the cougar population in California is very healthy. In fact, it is probably too numerous, but they wont allow hunting them. You can hunt them in Arizona, but it's not easy and you usually need a dog pack to tree them. The population is monitored very carefully so that they are not overhunted or allowed to expand past the resources of their range. As is every animal in Arizona.
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Dune,
Where I have you done most of your camping, I just moved to arizona and as I stated in my previous post, I have done alot of hiking down in the catalinas.
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Stuka,
If you like the outdoors and hunting, you've come to the right state.
I grew up on a farm near Yuma so I have spent a lot of time in the Kofa's and the desert near there. I have also camped/hiked the Grand Canyon:
(http://[IMG]http://www.hunt101.com/img/099555.jpg)
hunted and camped west of Lake Roosevelt, east of Wikiup:
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/069084.jpg)
in the Strawberry/Pine area:
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/040347.jpg)
north of Flagstaff, south of Wickenberg and all along the Mogollon Rim:
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/048278.jpg)
While the Kofa's and the desert will always be my first love, recently my family has been spending a lot of time on the Mogollon Rim. The whole area east of Payson to Overgaard is amazing. It's an uplift that forces rain from the clouds coming from the Gulf. All along the Rim there are pines and the temperature stays in the 70's to 80's. But, go 10 miles north from the rim and you find grassland until you reach the Navajo and Hopi Indian Reservations.
This year I've put in for deer down near Wellton (where my family's farm is) and between Florence and Oracle:
(http://www.hunt101.com/img/040359.jpg)
I'm hoping for elk in the area between Phoenix and Payson.
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Don't have to be a kid to be taken by a Mt. lion. The man killed recently in Orange County was in good shape and riding a bike. It is speculated that he got a flat tire, stopped to fix it and was taken from behind.
The same cat attacked a woman a short time later. She was saved by some very brave people who basically played tug-o-war with the cat.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
It is speculated that he got a flat tire, stopped to fix it and was taken from behind.
You sure it wasn't a FDB?
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Dune,
Yeah I just moved from NY where I did alot of huntning and camping, spent a good chuck of my life in the Adirondaks, I am dying to learn about the hunting and fishing out here but I have no one to talk to. I was wondering if I could get ahold of you and get some info. Those pics are great by the way, ill have to get you some of the ones I have from back in NY.
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Stuka,
Be glad to help any way I can, drop me a line at jlheard3@yahoo.com
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I just sent you a quick email dune.