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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: medicboy on June 30, 2004, 02:44:14 PM
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Yesterday at work we were just commenting on how slow it was when the pager goes off and says "respond to ...(address) for shots fired" We haul butt down there, check to see if the scene is secure and enter. I don't know the whole story but what I gather is the local P.D. was serving a warrent for 3 counts of child molestation and 3 counts of child porn/ exploitation. Family services was there as well and when they went to take the kids the guy nuts up, gets a gun, and goes after the family services worker, cop is standing by the door and shoots him with a .45 acp through the head. Needless to say we didn't work him up, exit hole was about 1.5 inches with brain matter showing. This is the first officer involved shooting in the city limits ever recorded.
http://www.ravallinews.com/articles/2004/06/30/news/news01.txt
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Practice makes perfect. :aok
Too bad for the officer tho. Even tho the guy was scum, it had to be traumatic.
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well... there is a child molester who is truly reformed. the only one I can think of offhand. nice clean death... it was a mercy... wish him all the best in the next life.
lazs
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Originally posted by medicboy
This is the first officer involved shooting in the city limits ever recorded.
What city?
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Originally posted by medicboy
Needless to say we didn't work him up, exit hole was about 1.5 inches with brain matter showing.
Maybe he was just sleeping if off.
DO cops carry .45 that often? I always thought they preferred .40 or 9mm.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
What city?
Hamilton, Mt Population about 4,000 in the city limits.
Capt pork. The city cops here are not alowed to cary anything below a .40 and most carry .45's.
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pork... no.. he was done.. it is proven fact that zombies can be killed with a shot to the head.
many police forces carry 45's most of their elite or special units like swat carry 45's.
lazs
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Less wear on the rope. No loss no foul.
As was said, feel sorry for the Officer, got to be rough on him even though he was shooting nothing more than vermin. Maybe he will reflect on the positive - he saved several people and prevented this animal from doing any more damage.
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If I'm not mistaken either Montana State troopers or Idaho's carry Les Baer .45's. I'd take a .45 over a 9mm anyday of the year.
Karaya
P.S. - <> to the officer, your one of god's soldiers now. I hope the felon pays dearly.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
P.S. - <> to the officer, your one of god's soldiers now. I hope the felon pays dearly.
Pretty sure you missed the point there. The felon paid.
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Negative, my old neighbor shot and killed two men in the 70's. Most people don't understand what they go through afterwards.
But <> anyways
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No explanation needed, you've seemed to have taken it out of context and pointed an unjust finger. Enjoy.
Karaya
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Sleep on it. Flame someone else, know-it-all
Karaya
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"I hear you knocking, but you can't come in"
Karaya
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I assumed "God's Soldiers" were the dead ones. My bad.
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Hmm interesting, are there God-Lieutenants? God-Generals?
Shouldn't the ranks be more like the airforce? Since he's up there, it seems appropriate.
Daniel
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How many donut shops are there in Hamilton?
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I love stories with a happy ending!
eskimo
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Man, you use the word 'God' and the tolerant and accepting pinkos are ready to rip your throat out!
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god really ticks em off... they will be calling it "the G word" soon enough.
liberals are the least tolerant folks on earth. They love humanity but hate people.... all people.
Still... there is no excuse to ever use the term "my bad".
lazs
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Man, you use the word 'God' and the tolerant and accepting pinkos are ready to rip your throat out!
lol
glad to see thats one reformed child molester.
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Originally posted by GScholz
What are you? A religious nut? Remind me of Commandment 6 again.
you mean the one that says you shall not murder (Ex 20:13 NIV)? It's perfectly fine to kill commiting murder OTOH is wrong.
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Is there such a thing as a conservative agnostic, or is that a contradiction in terms?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Pretty sure you missed the point there. The felon paid.
I think some believe that felon has a lot more paying to do. You know, in the ole h e double hockeysticks.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes that is true, but I think Jesus had a different opinion on what "murder" is:
"The primary reason God hates murder is that out of all creation, only human are made in the image of God ( Genesis 1:26-27; 9:4-6). Even before the codification of the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai the murder of other human beings was wrong ( Genesis 4:8-12; 4:23-24; 9:4-6; Exodus 1:16-17). While on earth, Jesus spoke out against murder ( Matthew 5:21-26; Mark 10:17-19). We also see in the writings of Paul ( Romans 1:18, 29-32; 13:8-10; Galatians 5:19-21), James ( James 2:8-11; 4:1-3), Peter ( 1 Peter 4:15-16) and John ( Revelation 9:20-21; 21:7-8; 22:14-15) that murder is wrong.
In Matthew 5:21-26 Jesus amplifies the meaning of the sixth commandment. He brings out that to commit murder means more then just killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them. The apostle John elaborates on this by writing that to hate someone is the same as murdering them ( 1 John 3:15). Murder like all sin, beginnings in the human mind ( Matthew 15:18-19; Mark 7:20-23) it starts as a thought, in this case hatred, which leads to the action of murder ( James 1:13-15; 4:1-3). The opposite of hating someone is loving them, we should even love our enemies ( Matthew 5:43-48), seeking not revenge, but looking for ways to help them ( Romans 12:17-21).
As we have seen, under the Old Covenant God allowed humans to kill other humans under certain circumstances. But what about today, and those who are now under the New Covenant, should we participate in the execution of a murder or an adulterer? Should Christians involve themselves in warfare? I would argue that Christians should not participate in such activities because the New Covenant is a covenant of life, not of death ( 2 Corinthians 3:4-11). Under the New Covenant Christians do not execute people for sinning. The most drastic steps anyone can take against an unrepentant Christian are withholding brotherly fellowship from him until he repents ( 1 Corinthians 5:9-13; 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15); and delivering or handing him over to Satan for spiritual correction ( 1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 1 Timothy 1:18-20). It is unclear from the scriptures exactly what it means to turn someone over to Satan.
Under the New Covenant a change occurred. Just as Christians are to no longer execute sinners, so they should not wage carnal war, but spiritual warfare ( John 18:36; 2 Corinthians 10:1-6; Ephesians 6:10-18; 1 Timothy 1:18-20; 6:11-14; 2 Timothy 2:3-5; 4:6-8). Christians must be peacemakers ( Matthew 5:9, Romans 14:19), forgiving those who do them harm ( Ephesians 4:29-32; Colossians 3:12-14; Matthew 6:9-15; Mark 11:25-26), treating their enemies with love ( Luke 6:27-36) and not seeking revenge ( Romans 12:17-21; 1 Peter 3:8-12). Hatred which is the same as murder ( 1 John 3:15), is unforgiving, vengeful and hostile towards one's enemies. "
War and any form of violence or hate is unreconcilable with true Cristianity (not to be confused with any "church"). Christianity is the ultimate "turn the other cheek" hippie movement.
As I have often said, I'm a poor example of Christianity, nuke'm all I say. God will sort out his own. Pretty well versed pagan I might add, or did you get the last norweigan pastor to write that exposition up for you? :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
What are you? A religious nut? Remind me of Commandment 6 again.
If I was ever put into the position where I couldn't get help fast enough - and it came down to protecting some small innocent child from further molestation by some "Wacko" who had flipped out and was about to kill them I don't think I would think much about it.
I would take my chances with the Law and the "Big Guy" upstairs if it ment saving them.
As for the religious aspect of it - everyone has his own beliefs. Maybe it's just where your from that people don't think like that.
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My God you guys crack me up. Oopps, didn't mean to use that word.
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guess I would fit right in with ol JC's ideas.. I don't hate anyone... shooting some people is simply putting them out of their misery... no hate involved. How can you hate someone who is attacking you? You don't even know him most likely. you can be relieved that he has gone to a better place or will get another chance in his new life.
if it is a zombie then you have simply put him to rest. like shooting a walking big mac.
lazs
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Originally posted by SOB
I think some believe that felon has a lot more paying to do. You know, in the ole h e double hockeysticks.
And if Dubya gets his way, our courts will be able to met out that as a punishment too.
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peace to the officers family and friends
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Originally posted by storch
As I have often said, I'm a poor example of Christianity, nuke'm all I say. God will sort out his own. Pretty well versed pagan I might add, or did you get the last norweigan pastor to write that exposition up for you? :D
You're Arnaud Amaury reincarnated ? :D
He said the exact same thing in front of Bézier during the Albigensians (spelling ?) crusade about 1200
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Originally posted by VOR
Is there such a thing as a conservative agnostic, or is that a contradiction in terms?
The describes me pretty well. Im not a Bible thumper, I just like killin' folks so Bush gets my vote.
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Not sure why, but the song "Onward Christian Soldiers" is in my head now.
Do you guys know that church hymn?
Onward, Christian soldiers,
marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus
going on before!
Christ, the royal Master,
leads against the foe;
forward into battle,
see, his banners go.
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers,
marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus
going on before!
At the sign of triumph
Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers,
on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver
at the shout of praise;
Brothers, lift your voices,
loud your anthems raise. Refrain
Like a mighty army
moves the Church of God;
Brothers, we are treading
where the saints have trod;
we are not divided,
all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine,
one in charity. Refrain
What the saints established
that I hold for true.
what the saints believèd,
that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth,
men the faith will hold,
kingdoms, nations, empires,
in destruction rolled. Refrain
Crown and thrones may perish,
kingdoms rise and wane,
but the Church of Jesus
constant will remain;
gates of hell can never
'gainst that Church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise,
and that cannot fail. Refrain
Onward, then, ye people,
join our happy throng;
blend with ours your voices
in the triumph song:
glory, laud, and honor,
unto Christ the King;
this through countless ages
men and angels sing. Refrain
Man, anyone else up for a crusade or two after reading that?
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The Inquisition...
What a show! :D
(http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/world/images/inquis1.jpg)
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lol
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Originally posted by SOB
I think some believe that felon has a lot more paying to do. You know, in the ole h e double hockeysticks.
Wow, and to think what GScholz was thumping his chest? It's all up to the big guy upstairs.
Karaya
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Can't let this thread go by...
My heart goes out to the Family, the victims, and the officer. All are paying the price for one mans twisted pleasure.
God is against Soldiers Killing huh? Not according to Chaplain Evers, one of our unit chaplains. Have you ever seen the movie "BlackHawk Down"? SSG Evers is now Captain Evers, Chaplain Corps.
During one deployment in the Middle East, the other unit chaplains wanted to have a prayer vigil to pray for peace. Evers refused to go. Finally these other chaplains, incensed by Evers refusal to participate, decided to make a big deal about it in the Units Tactical Operations Center. Evers pulled out his bible and began to quote from it. He completed his mini-sermon with the words "God commands us to confront Evil. He instructs us that when faced with it, sometimes the Sword of God is the only answer Evil understands and Evil must be cut out where ever it is found. How do you know these men are not the Sword of God sent to do his work?" With that the other Chaplains left. We all cheered.
Do I think we are the Sword of God? Of course not, but we are certainly justified in hunting down the Evil men who masterminded September 11th and doing everything in our power to destroy the breeding ground of such men.
Another story -
At the conclusion of one battle we were searching the hamlet for weapons based on intelligence we had received. The compound was large and surrounded by a thick wall with 5 buildings and a courtyard in the center. We knocked on the door, told the people who we where and that we needed to search their home. An old man let us in and we began to search while an interpreter and some of our guys had tea with the elder. The women were led out into the courtyard and separated from the men, about 7 all of whom were sons of the elder man. Food and drinks were presented and it was explained to them why we where there and an apology was made for disturbing their daily lives. They were shocked to learn of September 11th and offered prayers for the families and hope we would get those responsible. Unlike western society, According to their tribal laws revenge in of itself is an acceptable reason. In one room a guy found an INFANT hidden under a pile of cloth. The mother had hidden him their because the people had been told that we eat infants. Our medic did a quick health survey on the child who was quickly reunited with his mother. The mother was chastised for hiding him and endangering the child's life. Food and formula was requested for the children of the entire village.
At that point one of the sections found a cache of weapons, ammunition, and Rocket Propelled Grenades in one of the rooms. Also found was a stack of "Jihad against the infidels" propaganda. At this point the elder gentleman became upset and began to complain about his youngest son. He told us that he has been hanging out at the mosque, listening to one of the Mullah's who was always inciting people to fight for the Taliban. He had tried to reason with him and other Mullah's had even told his son that Islam is not that way. Like any obstinate teenager he would not listen and his father was at the end of his rope with his rebellious son.
This is the moment a search team made it onto the roof. Immediately they found a Markarov pistol in a shoulder rig someone had thrown in haste on the roof. Another US soldier spotted a man hiding on the same roof, lying down against the 1-foot high retainer wall surrounding the roof edge. The man immediately jumped up carrying an AK-47 rifle and jumped off the roof into the center courtyard. He landed kitty corner to four of us who ended up online about 20 feet away. Immediately upon gaining his balance he went for his rifle. All of us swore he was going to give it up. Instead he rotated it around, flipped the dust cover selector to automatic and let fly. He managed to get almost half a magazine out at us before we ended his life. He took 2 bullets in the chest and one in the head from all four of us. The Chicom AK vest he wore full of magazines across his chest acted like body armor. You could see the springs fly out as the plastic magazines shattered and bullets spilled freely out of it onto the ground. Afterwards you could count 12 bullet holes in the wall behind us. Just like "Pulp Fiction" none of us were hurt. His father began to wail and ran to his son. We were all heartbroken. The kid was just past his sixteenth birthday. We helped the family prepare for the funeral. He made a choice and like most rebellious teenagers wouldn't listen to those who loved him. He paid the price and created a tragedy.
The real evil in this event is the men who would twist his mind. The ones that preach intolerance, ignorance and a political agenda that destroys the things that make us human. The father was instrumental in making a case against the Mullah whom the Afghan Government arrested shortly thereafter. Several of the village Jorga, or ruling council, wept when we took over an AQ lieutenants compound and turned the "wealth" over to the villagers. The "wealth" consisted of hundreds of pounds of wheat taken at gunpoint from the villagers after a relief organization delivered it and schoolbooks and school supplies. Hunger and ignorance are never the weapons of the righteous.
I sleep well at night.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by storch
As I have often said, I'm a poor example of Christianity, nuke'm all I say. God will sort out his own. Pretty well versed pagan I might add, or did you get the last norweigan pastor to write that exposition up for you?
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Originally posted by straffo
You're Arnaud Amaury reincarnated ? :D
He said the exact same thing in front of Bézier during the Albigensians (spelling ?) crusade about 1200
Pope Innocent III had nukes? :eek:
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I've never figured how religious Christians can reconcile God and soldiering.
Do you you sit there stroking your self ,trolling, and waiting for the slightest excuse to spew you ****ing bable? Ill bet your foaming at the mouth screaming at your monitor right now arent you? ****tard.
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Originally posted by Slash27
I've never figured how religious Christians can reconcile God and soldiering.
Do you you sit there stroking your self ,trolling, and waiting for the slightest excuse to spew you ****ing bable? Ill bet your foaming at the mouth screaming at your monitor right now arent you? ****tard.
:rofl :aok
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It is funny that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all worship the same God. I asked a Mullah once why Jews, Christians, and Muslims seemed to fight over religion so much. Where exactly was the split besides the obvious one over Jesus Christ.
He explained me to entire lineage of Abraham and how his sons actually were the begining of all three and how there quarrel has continued to this day. I had to laugh. Seeing my amusement he asked what the joke was I saw. Doesn't it seem kind of silly that we all worship the same divine Boss, yet some folks are killing each other over the middle management? Wonder what the boss thinks of all this?
With that he laughed too, remarking we all have our crackpots to deal with....
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Crumpp
It is funny that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all worship the same God. I asked a Mullah once why Jews, Christians, and Muslims seemed to fight over religion so much. Where exactly was the split besides the obvious one over Jesus Christ.
He explained me to entire lineage of Abraham and how his sons actually were the begining of all three and how there quarrel has continued to this day. I had to laugh. Seeing my amusement he asked what the joke was I saw. Doesn't it seem kind of silly that we all worship the same divine Boss, yet some folks are killing each other over the middle management? Wonder what the boss thinks of all this?
Crumpp
The more I learn the less I understand.
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"And the Beat goes on, the beat goes on. Drums keep pounding rhythms to the brain, La Di Da Da di, La Di Da Di da."
Karaya