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Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 01, 2004, 09:56:08 AM: (http://www.xmission.com/~knhmeads/moabrear.jpg)

(http://www.xmission.com/~knhmeads/moab.jpg)

Look at the control fins..
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 01, 2004, 10:04:33 AM: Ours are more reliable. :)

Karaya
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Boroda on July 01, 2004, 12:24:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
Ours are more reliable. :)

Karaya

Ours never fail :) Saved at least 5 lives already.
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 01, 2004, 12:27:01 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boroda
Ours never fail :) Saved at least 5 lives already.

Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Russian on July 01, 2004, 12:28:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?

LOL
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: muckmaw on July 01, 2004, 12:33:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?

BWAHAHAHAH!!!

:aok :rofl
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 01, 2004, 12:36:09 PM: SIG MATERIAL!
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: pugg666 on July 01, 2004, 04:41:52 PM: Quote
Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?

LOL

I bet that left a mark
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Tumor on July 01, 2004, 04:58:39 PM: What the HELL are the L. Ron Hubbard cronies doing makin freekin rockets?

...it's the end of the world, I KNOW it.
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Pongo on July 01, 2004, 06:05:23 PM: What is it?
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: hawker238 on July 01, 2004, 09:34:32 PM: (http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/r77/r-77c.jpg)

HHHHHHHHot.
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: hawker238 on July 01, 2004, 09:36:24 PM: Actually, could someone explain how it works?
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: AKIron on July 01, 2004, 09:39:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Tumor
What the HELL are the L. Ron Hubbard cronies doing makin freekin rockets?

...it's the end of the world, I KNOW it.

hehe, that's dIAnetics

is what I first thought too
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 01, 2004, 11:02:06 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pongo
What is it?

MOAB

A a new US 22,000 pound GPS guided bomb.
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Gunslinger on July 01, 2004, 11:07:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?

HA HA HA LMAO :rofl

But just to be fair....the russians do make the mest ejecion systems....

I guess its because all the live tests you mention
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Hades55 on July 01, 2004, 11:49:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hawker238
Actually, could someone explain how it works?

Drag
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Gunslinger on July 02, 2004, 12:47:26 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hawker238
Actually, could someone explain how it works?

the bomb or the fins?

the bomb (I think) is a fuel air bomb.....if its anything like the "daisy cutter" it disperses a flamable source into the air on its way down creating a cloud. Before it hits it ignites this flamable source wich burns EXTREMLY quick. The souce burns up the O2 in the air at such a quick rate that it creats an instant vacume. The rushing air to fill the vacume helps create the explosion.....that's the best I can describe a fuel air bomb.

The fins just look like a mix of guidence/stabalization/drag fins. They creat drag while at the same time guiding the bomb

I'm just guessing here but that all seems logical.
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Boroda on July 05, 2004, 04:55:19 AM: Such wings are used in Soyuz emergency rescue system. They look like "windows" on top of the launch vehicle. When the capsule separates from the rocket by emergency engine they spread 90 degrees from the capsule and it glides on them.

What I meant was that this system was used at least twice, once when the rocket blew up on a launch table, and another when something was wrong with second stage. Both times crew survived. It happened in early-80s.

http://www.federalspace.ru/PictFiles/bigPicts/230402-1-21.jpg
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: BenDover on July 05, 2004, 07:49:46 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Gunslinger
the bomb or the fins?

the bomb (I think) is a fuel air bomb.....if its anything like the "daisy cutter" it disperses a flamable source into the air on its way down creating a cloud. Before it hits it ignites this flamable source wich burns EXTREMLY quick. The souce burns up the O2 in the air at such a quick rate that it creats an instant vacume. The rushing air to fill the vacume helps create the explosion.....that's the best I can describe a fuel air bomb.

Isn't that an implosion?
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 05, 2004, 08:45:02 AM: USA has had fin technology since at least the 50's

(http://members.tripod.com/~caddyclub/rv60b.jpg)
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Sox62 on July 05, 2004, 11:28:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Are you talking about the annual Russian live action ejection seat demonstations at major international air shows?

LMAO!
Title: USA copying the Russians?
Post by: Chairboy on July 05, 2004, 12:37:04 PM: The russians have some technology that the US would do anything to get. For example, the Shkval torpedo system.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/shkval.htm

It's a torpedo that travels at over 200 knots. 4 times faster then the fearsome MK-48 that US subs are most likely to use.

The original deployment in the 90s assumed a nuclear warhead. One of these torpedos could be fired into a carrier group and take it out without any countermeasures. The original Shkval wasn't homing, so no countermeasures could trick it, and no torpedo could catch it.

The new generation is supposed to be able to scream into the firing area, leave supercavitation mode and use conventional seeking modes to acquire a target, then boost to full speed again. This allows them to use conventional warheads and increases their danger even more because 1. They'll hit their target and 2. they're more likely to be used.

So... whatever the history of the guidance fins mentioned earlier in this thread, don't assume that we automatically do everything better. That's a dangerous attitude that will lead to underestimating potential advesaries.