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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Electroman on July 02, 2004, 01:40:42 AM
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Hitech,
When you brought out AH2 I thought ok well I'll give it a shot. I thought perhaps my machine was a little under powered due to the framerates I was getting - around 45 or so.
So I went and purchased a new processor (AMD Athalon XP 2400+) and a new video card to compensate (ATI 9600XT 256 MB card). As a result I am getting almost the same frame rates and even WORSE performance. Let alone, seems almost half the guys I talk to have the same crap going on.
You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.
Not to mention the flight models have changed quite a bit with some planes now (i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???). That and the stick handling is all screwed up again! When we converted over from AHI to AHII everything was set the same yet all of the sudden all the planes handle different. I didn't change anything...my stick did not break overnight.
One Pissed Off Player...
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Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet? Thats right, things always seem to work themselves out at HTC. Had you been around for the last 4 years, you too would know of the excellent service they provide. You're probably not used to the regular updates and fast patching either. Patience is a virtue.
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The plane handling is supposed to be that way. They changed the FM of every plane in AHII, and now (from what I hear) you have to be more gentle and not jerk your stick around like you could in AH1.
Also, about your card. Do a search of the BBs for that card and tips on getting better FR. Im sure theres something out there that you can find helpful. Talk to one of the many computer whizzes out there about this but, is that processor able to handle a powerful video card like that?
And, dont go bashing on HTC because of something wrong with your PC. Theyre working extremely hard to get these problems under control. Make sure you have done every last possible thing to fix it before you go off on HTC. When you have proven that youve done everything you possibly can to improve the situation, THEN you can get angry. But as for now, ask politely for some help, because im sure there are folks out there that are more than willing to help you out if you just ask with some respect.
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122404
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With the new flight model I'm finding I can perform the ACM for the planes I fly like the book's describe. Can no longer just rush in and yank the stick to win. I like it. Lotta pilots now bail and dive away rather than spend the time workin me into a low E state.:aok
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Oh!!!! By the way I have an ATI 9700 Pro 128...so go learn how to fly.......:)
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Originally posted by Electroman
Hitech,
When you brought out AH2 I thought ok well I'll give it a shot. I thought perhaps my machine was a little under powered due to the framerates I was getting - around 45 or so.
you think 45 fps is bad!??
my god man, 45 fps is almost double what you need for silky smooth gameplay.
i am happy with anything over 20fps. anything past 30 is useless.
i think the lowest i have got to in AH1 and still had smooth enough frames to actualy shoot someone was 12fps.
so quit ya moaning and play the game! :aok
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You must've screwed your card installation. Have you completely cleaned up the previous drivers before installing the new ones??
Ahhh the virtues of RTFM...
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Heh, in AH1 I averaged out at about 20-25FPS, and I could play it fine, but it would stutter when there was a large concentration of enemy planes or I was in smoke. So ya, 45 is pretty good id guess.
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The ATI Radeon 9800XT Works Great For AH2. It could be may things that might not make AH2 run to your spec such as ram, updates,config. or processor, ect. Just look in to it and give it some time.
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Ok first,
Sloooowly put the drugs down, and back away.
1) What exactly do you think programmers update games for?, so everything stays the same? The new FM is capible of being more accurate then the AH1 FM, which compared to Ah2 is archadish in a way.
2) The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.
3) the human eye *cannot* detect a FPS change over 40 FPS, I think (look it up). SO to the human eye 160 FPS looks just like, say 40 FPS. It's how low it drops when art gets intense is what counts.
IMO your real snivel seems to focus on the FM. It's a new game called AH2, it's not AH1, therefore it won't handle like AH1, it's not suppose to, don't hold your breath to a fix to something that was intensional.
Your misconception of what an update is, is not HTC's fault. ;-)
Don't mind me, I'm just the village idiot.
Anim
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My ATI 9800 Pro has had lots of problems... I believe HTC acknowledged this. I ran a test DL the offered and didn't get booted.
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well im runnin AMD 1.2 , 512MG DDR , and an ATI 7500 64MG vid card with no problems at all , JB73 is a puter wizz and has said that not always goin bigger on Vid card is better , just gonna stick it out with the Ol 64MG card i have , getting up to 70 FPS over water at 20K , but jumps down to 20 FPS in a furball, but I Hit Shift F2 to help with the texture clutter and hardly hit Shift F3 , and it stables out .
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I have the 9600XT also on a 2gig machine.
I was dissapointed with the performance also but having to tweak several machines in the past 8 or 9 years flying AW and now AH2 for better performance I wouldn't just give it up and biatch about it.
First I OC'd my processor to 2.4g but only gained a few fps. Then I OC'd the vid card and the difference was pretty dramatic.
I max out at my monitor refresh rate of 100hz at 1024x768 if I'm at 15k or more or if I look straight up. In furballs it's very playable at about 35-45fps, a heavely damaged field will drag it down another 10fps but it's still playable and if I turn off 4x FSAA I gain 10-15fps back in the same situation.
What I'm getting at is that you can either struggle along with the setup that you have and wait for HTC to work all the performance issues out or you can do a few things that will make your machine run AH2 at an acceptable level of performance now and even better when HTC does his thing.
If you want to try to OC the 9600XT try these numbers with the latest Omega drivers.
Core 553.50 Memory 330.75.
These settings are stable for me and I get no weird artifacts.
BEWARE, read up on OCing and the heat dangers before trying. If you have a machine that has good circulation and airflow around the vid card there should be no problem.
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i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???
Total BS.
I did test on this offline, Dora vs La7, and the LA7 still out accelerates the Dora, out speeds it, outclimbs it at low altitudes and easily outturns it (all planes easily outturn the Dora and A8's).
If you get killed while flying an LA7 vs a Dora it is nothing but your own fault.
Second, with manners like this you'll never be taken seriously, by anyone, let alone HTC I'm pretty sure.
A better way might have been "Having FPS problem with ATI cards, need help". Sure more people would respond and try and help you.
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Place your hands in front of you.
Touch only your fingertips together and hold them together.
Close your eyes and take a deep breath.
now in a soft toned voice while breathing in through your nose and out through your mouth repeat over and over for about 10 min.
"ohhmmmmmnn"
"Ohhhmmmmnn"
"ohhhmmmmnn"
Relax.
Now, Try re posting
:)
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Originally posted by Octavius
Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet?
Good Point Octavius, they know how to tweak something if need be, and they ( most of them) are used to this type flight model, which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings. correct me if I am wrong.........everyone else does:D
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which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings
"Same" means "equal".
So if AH II has more realistic settings, then it can't be the "same" ... and it isn't.
At this point I am use to the AH II flight model, more than most, cause I flew alot in the AH II Beta Arena getting prepared for the switch over.
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Originally posted by FT_Animal
The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.
VCR is stutter free unlike computer graphics. At lower framerates all the inevitable stutter is more pronounced. Only when you go to around 40 or over it starts to appear silk smooth. Something like 25 FPS is fine for MSFS but not for a combat sim.
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You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.
I can picture it ...
HT: Yup ... AH II is out. Everybody gets the next 2 months off.
Pyro: HT ... what are you going to do with all your time off ?
HT: Well ... I think I will read the BBS and see how pissed off I can get people and then go fly my RV-8 all day.
Pyro: Aren't you concerned about fixing bugs ?
HT: Nah ... I want Aces High to go down the tubes so that I can get a job programming for some big corporation rather than own my own company. I thought I might sell pencils on street corners while I get my resume out on Monster.com
Pyro: HT .. what about the rest of us ?
HT: Sorry ... Your on your own.
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NO we don't !!!!!
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Good Point Octavius, they know how to tweak something if need be, and they ( most of them) are used to this type flight model, which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings. correct me if I am wrong.........everyone else does:D
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Game runs flawlessly for me. I have the ATI Radeon 9800 pro and haven't had one problem with it or AHII.
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He's right though, this is going exactly like the AWIII release for me. Both installed and played flawlessly at release. Although, I had to pay 40 bucks for the AWIII box lol.
-Sik
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Ummm...
Let's see...I've been around the Aces High scene since AW went down the tubes and I think that's been over 2 years ago. It's not that I don't know about the "excellent service" that HTC provides. I know they have done a good job in the past with getting things under control.
The main difference is that AH1 has been relatively stable for the past 2 years in terms of gameplay and the fixes were not as drastic as required on AH2.
Originally posted by Octavius
Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet? Thats right, things always seem to work themselves out at HTC. Had you been around for the last 4 years, you too would know of the excellent service they provide. You're probably not used to the regular updates and fast patching either. Patience is a virtue.
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first: you should've been her 4 years ago.
second: no Problems with radeon since beta here
third: statements about FM, esp comparison tiffie and 190d9 is simply not true.
geez getting tired of those endless trolls :rolleyes:
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Previously had a GeForce2 card, switched to ATI - totally different drivers and card was removed from the device manager before I started.
Originally posted by deSelys
You must've screwed your card installation. Have you completely cleaned up the previous drivers before installing the new ones??
Ahhh the virtues of RTFM...
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Oh please...
Lets not get into technical crap about video on television / vcr's versus on a computer because they are not quite the same. at 30 FPS on a television you hardly notice a damned thing. On a computer you do.
As for the flight model....yes, I suppose that I have a large gripe with this. A number of things were changed that made the switchover almost unbearable with all of the added problems of video issues as well.
When you sit in the tower and the video stutters let alone try to get in a furball and the FPS drops to around 20 - 25....it's a reall problem.
Originally posted by FT_Animal
Ok first,
Sloooowly put the drugs down, and back away.
1) What exactly do you think programmers update games for?, so everything stays the same? The new FM is capible of being more accurate then the AH1 FM, which compared to Ah2 is archadish in a way.
2) The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.
3) the human eye *cannot* detect a FPS change over 40 FPS, I think (look it up). SO to the human eye 160 FPS looks just like, say 40 FPS. It's how low it drops when art gets intense is what counts.
IMO your real snivel seems to focus on the FM. It's a new game called AH2, it's not AH1, therefore it won't handle like AH1, it's not suppose to, don't hold your breath to a fix to something that was intensional.
Your misconception of what an update is, is not HTC's fault. ;-)
Don't mind me, I'm just the village idiot.
Anim
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Thanks and I'll give this a try.
Originally posted by MrLars
I have the 9600XT also on a 2gig machine.
I was dissapointed with the performance also but having to tweak several machines in the past 8 or 9 years flying AW and now AH2 for better performance I wouldn't just give it up and biatch about it.
First I OC'd my processor to 2.4g but only gained a few fps. Then I OC'd the vid card and the difference was pretty dramatic.
I max out at my monitor refresh rate of 100hz at 1024x768 if I'm at 15k or more or if I look straight up. In furballs it's very playable at about 35-45fps, a heavely damaged field will drag it down another 10fps but it's still playable and if I turn off 4x FSAA I gain 10-15fps back in the same situation.
What I'm getting at is that you can either struggle along with the setup that you have and wait for HTC to work all the performance issues out or you can do a few things that will make your machine run AH2 at an acceptable level of performance now and even better when HTC does his thing.
If you want to try to OC the 9600XT try these numbers with the latest Omega drivers.
Core 553.50 Memory 330.75.
These settings are stable for me and I get no weird artifacts.
BEWARE, read up on OCing and the heat dangers before trying. If you have a machine that has good circulation and airflow around the vid card there should be no problem.
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Ummm... Let's see...I've been around the Aces High scene since AW went down the tubes and I think that's been over 2 years ago. It's not that I don't know about the "excellent service" that HTC provides. I know they have done a good job in the past with getting things under control. The main difference is that AH1 has been relatively stable for the past 2 years in terms of gameplay and the fixes were not as drastic as required on AH2.
AH1 was stable for 2 years and had been stable for another 2 years (?) before that. AH1 was not stable when it got out of beta (the vets know). AH2 just got out of beta, HTC them self said it is the least buggy release they've made.
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I'd recomend a couple of things.
Go get a good driver cleaner, clean everything out. Reinstall cat 4.5's, & direct x.
Make sure your booting CLEAN!
No office, fast find, spyware, antiviris, etc.
Reboot before you start AH.
You may have to tweak that card a bit, I'd suggest the rage3d tweaker.
Its posted on the msg board here someplace.
Get PROactive. HT provides the software, the rest is up to us. If EVERYONE had the exact same problem,
then it would be his problem. Since some of us are obviously doing fine the burdens on you.
BTW I'm getting 38 fps in tower & 60's 2k up with an elcheapo ati 9000 pro 128mb card that was only 100$ 16 months ago.
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i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???
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Total BS.
I did test on this offline, Dora vs La7, and the LA7 still out accelerates the Dora, out speeds it, outclimbs it at low altitudes and easily outturns it (all planes easily outturn the Dora and A8's).
If you get killed while flying an LA7 vs a Dora it is nothing but your own fault.
I couldn't agree more. Electro, I'll take the LA7 you grab a Dora. My requirement will be that I have to circle you twice before I can pull the trigger.
LA7 is still one of the most capable and fun planes to fly in the MA. I suggest you practice a little more and get used to the better flight model. Just because you had it easy in AHI with a flight model that was not completely accurate does not mean we should not have a better mopre accurate flght model.
This game is all about the challenge. Suck it up, face the new challenge and move on.
Hardware issues are another story and I feel for you there. But you have to realize 90% of the time it's going to be an issue on your machine. There are 350+ people in MA every night so HTC is doing something right.
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wow somebody pissed in ur cereal:) i have a old puter amd 2200 512< w/ 5700 lutra my game is smooth as silk plus my framerates are in the 80 plus, yeah i know its eye candy after 25 or so , but w/ my setup it all works fine, htc doing there best to resolve this issue,
just hang in there :)
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Electro... got a solution... frickin quit... maybe x-box may help ease some of the tension.... Skuzzy has a ATI card (X800) and I am sooo jealous... I have an ole ATI 9200 and am getting 100 fps+ with V-sync off and 60+ with it on... I am just waiting until HITECH gets all the bugs worked out.. and then in a few months will splurge for the hot card to get all the eye candy that the game has to offer... can hardly wait until I can push a cards performance all to quality and in the game the same with the max texture 1024.... My dreams are that vivid!!!!!
*Never in my life have I heard so much freakin whining....I mean I am not getting laid.... but at least I am not whining about it... I just go jerk off.... If you gotta problem... do something about it, stfu and quit being part of the problem instead of the solution.*
~Birdo
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As stated before I haven't heard a vet that has been here 4 years or more complain about anything.
HTC has been working weekends ....cripes you are getting patches on Sundays!
If you'd have been present since the early stages of AHI you would realize that all will be well.
I'm using and AthlonXP2400 and a 9800Pro with frametates in the mid 80s' to no lower then 40!
There are many variables involved with the actual framerate you have. As there just as many variables with the variety of systems that people use to play these games.
Coming into play for Frame rates....include.
1.) Drivers....are they the latest?
2.) Refresh rate of monitor....you're never going to have a higher frame rate then the refresh rate of your monitor!
3.) Texture size in the game. Rule of thumb use 512 for 128 mb cards or lower....1024 if you have a 256mb card.
4.) What resolution are you using? 1280X1024? etc. 16bit or 32 bit colors?
5.) where are your sliders set in the video setup in AH2?
Adjust them to get peak performance.
6.) Are you using FSAA? How much? Anisotropic filtering?
7.) How is your card setup in windows/control pane/display/
setting/ advanced? You have vert sync on? application
preference? always on? always off?
All the above points are available to you to sample and see how they work. Try asking for help instead of threatening.
HTC and the Community here will go out of their way to help with your setup. Don't say it doesn't work until you've expended all avenues. If you don't know about the above avenues we'll be more the glad to help when asked.
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Hehe - I find myself agreeing with Mars01! :aok Not that I would know anything about LA7 flying. ;):eek:
XP2600 with ATi Radeon 9600 here - 50-75fps, no problems at all.
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Sorry...maybe I should have clarified a bit...
AMD 2400+
512 MB Ram
80 GB HDD - Recently defragged / no viruses
ATI 9600XT card
Drivers are the most recent
Textures set to default at 1024
Monitor resolution at 1024 x 768
FSAA - 2X
Antis - set at 2x or 16 x - didn't matter.
Tried settings at full quality and at Full performance. Didn't seem to help much from one setting to the next. Monitor refresh rate is at 100.
Level flight with nothing around, visibility set to medium range give me around 60 fps. That's fine and perfectly happy with that. Unfortunately, that's not what the game is about. When you get into a furball, or even just taking off from the runway and there are complete hangs (i.e. - drops to 7-10 fps) for a few seconds before the video comes back...that's a problem.
Like I said - I know HTC has done a good job in the past. What pisses me off the most is that they released a product full of bugs that should have been better worked out before release to the public. The main reason they released it is due to pressure from the masses. Well...here we are....we got a new game. Great - Looks wonderful! BUT - if these issues are around I would have rather waited another 6 months or more for them to get the bugs out to save on frustration from numerous people.
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Nice Birdo....Nice....
Tell ya what...
Go Fokk yerself...
As for doing something about the problem - I am - I'm biatching about it so that it gets fixed! If HTC would have realized that the game still had a lot of bugs that needed to be worked out and WAITED we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. Unfortunately, do to the biatching that's gone on forever about "When is AH2 comin out??" now we are here - with a BUG RIDDEN GAME. I would have preferred to wait until the majority of the bugs were worked out first. Hell, even some of the damed graphics are screwed still - i.e. - Flat Tree Tops? C'mon man...
So - enjoy the bugs...enjoy the performance cause yer getting exactly what ya wanted.
Originally posted by Birdo
Electro... got a solution... frickin quit... maybe x-box may help ease some of the tension.... Skuzzy has a ATI card (X800) and I am sooo jealous... I have an ole ATI 9200 and am getting 100 fps+ with V-sync off and 60+ with it on... I am just waiting until HITECH gets all the bugs worked out.. and then in a few months will splurge for the hot card to get all the eye candy that the game has to offer... can hardly wait until I can push a cards performance all to quality and in the game the same with the max texture 1024.... My dreams are that vivid!!!!!
*Never in my life have I heard so much freakin whining....I mean I am not getting laid.... but at least I am not whining about it... I just go jerk off.... If you gotta problem... do something about it, stfu and quit being part of the problem instead of the solution.*
~Birdo
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Lower your texture setting in game. Ive heard that 512 and 256 help some people out.
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I'll give it a try...anything to get some better performance outta this game right now.
Thanks.
Originally posted by United
Lower your texture setting in game. Ive heard that 512 and 256 help some people out.
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Thanks for the post - missed that one. Gave it a try this morning and not to much better but a "little better". At least it's a small improvement.
Problems still are present though when in furballs / or even a lot of terrain objects (i.e. - flying over field / town).
Originally posted by SOB
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122404
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Like I said - I know HTC has done a good job in the past. What pisses me off the most is that they released a product full of bugs that should have been better worked out before release to the public. The main reason they released it is due to pressure from the masses. Well...here we are....we got a new game. Great - Looks wonderful! BUT - if these issues are around I would have rather waited another 6 months or more for them to get the bugs out to save on frustration from numerous people.
If more people such as yourself had participated in the beta they could have. Problem is that most people like you weren't participating in the beta so unless they made the cut over the problem would not have presented itself AHII was ready for release. It's your own fault you didn't take advantage of the beta to get everything worked out.
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Originally posted by Electroman
Unfortunately, do to the biatching that's gone on forever about "When is AH2 comin out??" now we are here - with a BUG RIDDEN GAME.
Is that what happened?
lol.
-Sik
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Ummm...
Excuse me...but I did participate in the Beta. I didn't have the same hardware at the time. So, I went out and bought better hardware to accomodate a bug ridden game.
Funny thing is that all my other games (i.e. - Halo / Unreal Tournament, etc etc) work exceptionally well now with full quality enabled. Seems odd to have to change all my video settings to "tweak performance" for this game where all the other games I just turn on full quality and it works.
Hmmm....
Originally posted by mars01
If more people such as yourself had participated in the beta they could have. Problem is that most people like you weren't participating in the beta so unless they made the cut over the problem would not have presented itself AHII was ready for release. It's your own fault you didn't take advantage of the beta to get everything worked out.
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another argument for....
12 HOUR CLASSES, YEAR ROUND SCHOOL!!!
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Another intelligent post from a dirty fokker
here's your prize:
(http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v125/wildcrd/aceshigh/smily084.gif)
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Sorry for the assumption electro, I didn't see you in there.
So you do realize with the limited number of participants that the beta went as far as it could. Any more time in Beta had diminishing returns.
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No Worries.
I just want my fun gaming back cause it's hell right now :-)
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Originally posted by Electroman
Sorry...maybe I should have clarified a bit...
AMD 2400+
512 MB Ram
80 GB HDD - Recently defragged / no viruses
ATI 9600XT card
Drivers are the most recent
Textures set to default at 1024
Monitor resolution at 1024 x 768
FSAA - 2X
Antis - set at 2x or 16 x - didn't matter.
Tried settings at full quality and at Full performance. Didn't seem to help much from one setting to the next. Monitor refresh rate is at 100.
Level flight with nothing around, visibility set to medium range give me around 60 fps. That's fine and perfectly happy with that. Unfortunately, that's not what the game is about. When you get into a furball, or even just taking off from the runway and there are complete hangs (i.e. - drops to 7-10 fps) for a few seconds before the video comes back...that's a problem.
If your rig is working well for other games, but not for AH2, then I suspect your AH2 settings. My CPU is slightly faster than yours, and I too have 512MB of RAM and ATi Radeon 9600 with 128MB. I use the 1280x1024 resolution in AH, 1152x864 for normal Windows apps.
Your spec is close enough to mine that it SHOULD be able to run AH2 OK.
Check your video setup panel inside the AH game itself - what res are you running at? Also if your frame rate is oscillating, check that you have VSync turned on.
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Oscillating but I have V-Sync turned off. As well, my desktop res and game res are the same - 1024 x 768.
Thanks for the help though - it's appreciated. SOmetimes the frustration speaks before the logistical side :-)
Originally posted by beet1e
If your rig is working well for other games, but not for AH2, then I suspect your AH2 settings. My CPU is slightly faster than yours, and I too have 512MB of RAM and ATi Radeon 9600 with 128MB. I use the 1280x1024 resolution in AH, 1152x864 for normal Windows apps.
Your spec is close enough to mine that it SHOULD be able to run AH2 OK.
Check your video setup panel inside the AH game itself - what res are you running at? Also if your frame rate is oscillating, check that you have VSync turned on.
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This might be a long shot but I had a similar problem (poor or less than expected video performance) after the last two times I upgraded my GFX card. What happened was my AGP got shut off. In one case I had to use a small utility to reenable it and in the latest case I had to update/reinstall my chipset driver.
Using Google I came up witha hit that should get you started
http://www.computing.net/gaming/wwwboard/forum/1349.html
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Originally posted by Electroman
Hitech,
When you brought out AH2 I thought ok well I'll give it a shot. I thought perhaps my machine was a little under powered due to the framerates I was getting - around 45 or so.
So I went and purchased a new processor (AMD Athalon XP 2400+) and a new video card to compensate (ATI 9600XT 256 MB card). As a result I am getting almost the same frame rates and even WORSE performance. Let alone, seems almost half the guys I talk to have the same crap going on.
You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.
Not to mention the flight models have changed quite a bit with some planes now (i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???). That and the stick handling is all screwed up again! When we converted over from AHI to AHII everything was set the same yet all of the sudden all the planes handle different. I didn't change anything...my stick did not break overnight.
One Pissed Off Player...
Working fine here. ;)
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Originally posted by bustr
With the new flight model I'm finding I can perform the ACM for the planes I fly like the book's describe. Can no longer just rush in and yank the stick to win. I like it. Lotta pilots now bail and dive away rather than spend the time workin me into a low E state.:aok
hehehe cowards and runners:D...thats what most guys will call them.
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Anyone else get the feeling that it seems like 2-3 people with multiple BBS accounts are posting the same thing over and over again? As Yogi Berra said, "its like deja vu all over again."
I guess this just points out that what is a sandbox full of toys to many is a litterbox full of "land mines" to a few.
Oh well, I am going to go crack open a beer (or 7) and enjoy the start of a 3 day weekend.
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getting 100- 125 fps here
did you know the memory on the 256 card is slower then the memory on the 128 ?
and more ram never hurts
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Electroman.....set your texture size to 512.
128mem vid card should run fine there.
I'm getting 80 fr to no lower then 40 infurball low over a field.
1024 works best with 256mem vid cards.
You won't notice a difference in graphics. You shouldn't drop to a 7 FR then.
My settings in Display/settings/advanced
for Dx...slider under the Qs in quality (top 2)
Vert sync all the way right to always on.
FSAA is at 4, anisotropic filtering I have off, or application preference.
Set same way for Open GL.
To make these settings you will have to check the custom box at top right of the Dx and OpenGL tabs. Don't foget to apply when adjusting your settings.
You can adjust accordingly. I have a 9800 Pro card and these work very well.
I play in 1240X1024 32 bit resolution.
Refresh rate of monitor is running at 91.1.
Don't forget to set the Video options in the setup section of Aces High 2. With your card you should be running texture size at 512, not 1024.
Hope this helps.
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Well, when I first read this post (ah2 sucks with ATI cards), I was thinking "There, for the grace of God, go I" and smugly enjoying AH2 with a Nividia card. With the latest patch, we're in the same boat and I'm seriously starting to become annoyed how performance changes from patch to patch. I mean now - this is the only game in town. It's not like , "oh, this patch is fubar, I'll head over to AH1." Now its - oh well - can't play tonight.
Guess I'll load up diablo and CivIII.
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Patch 5 was GOOD for this ATI card.
Gave me a solid 20 fps boost across the board.
Went from mid 30's in tower, to mid 50's and its better yet on the runway.
Big WTG HTC!
This ones a keeper!
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TB: Just to check the obvious.
1. Reboot system
2. Make sure your in Shift F1 or SHift F2 view range.
3. Delete your cach folder.
4. Double check 512 max texture size or lower.
5. For a test if you are running any fire wall software , shut it down, do not just disable it,make sure it has been shut down.
6. Make sure all your video card settings are defaults in the windows configuration.
HiTech
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
With the latest patch, we're in the same boat
Very true :(
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Man...I have an average of 12FPS, the only place I whine about it is on squad channel (straffo likes to listen to me whine)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
which from what I hear is the same FM, as AH1 ust more realistic settings
"Same" means "equal".
So if AH II has more realistic settings, then it can't be the "same" ... and it isn't.
At this point I am use to the AH II flight model, more than most, cause I flew alot in the AH II Beta Arena getting prepared for the switch over.
Slap...
From what I've been told, the flight model code is exactly the same. What has changed is the "resolution" of the data it uses. HT has increased the number of points on the flight surfaces which the model uses.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Patch 5 was GOOD for this ATI card.
Gave me a solid 20 fps boost across the board.
Went from mid 30's in tower, to mid 50's and its better yet on the runway.
Big WTG HTC!
This ones a keeper!
Well, I did the upgrade thing, so my CPU is now good. This might sell my FX5900 card to get a ATI card, and "a solid 20 fps boost across the board". Thats awesome.
Specs please.
I'll buy your card type if it works. Gimme details. Furball results too.
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Well Ghosth?
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Originally posted by Electroman
Hitech,
You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.
You forgot to add, "Otherwise I'll scream and pout and hold my breath until I'm blue in the face!" Oh wait, you're already doing that.
Not to mention the flight models have changed quite a bit with some planes now (i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???). That and the stick handling is all screwed up again! When we converted over from AHI to AHII everything was set the same yet all of the sudden all the planes handle different. I didn't change anything...my stick did not break overnight.
One Pissed Off Player...
If you had played the beta at all you would have noticed some improvements to the flight model and that quite abit of the 'gaminess' that players such as yourself relied upon are no longer in the game. So instead of pouting and screaming like my 3 year old niece, go to NetAces.org (http://www.netaces.org) and read some of the stuff on how to fly and fight and you won't be so amazed on how that Fw190 driver was able to blow your super-duper-uber La7 out of the sky.
ack-ack
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AH2 has made me a Golden God of air combat.
I swear.
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Originally posted by Electroman
Nice Birdo....Nice....
Tell ya what...
Go Fokk yerself...
As for doing something about the problem - I am - I'm biatching about it so that it gets fixed! If HTC would have realized that the game still had a lot of bugs that needed to be worked out and WAITED we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
I never saw you flying the beta...
If more people such as yourself flew during the beta, a lot more bugs could have been found and squashed.
Here's your cheese to go with your whine...
ack-ack
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WTG Slash :)
Glad it helped someone.
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Originally posted by Electroman
Oscillating but I have V-Sync turned off. As well, my desktop res and game res are the same - 1024 x 768.
Thanks for the help though - it's appreciated. SOmetimes the frustration speaks before the logistical side :-)
Vsync ALWAYS on. By having it off, it makes me think you have not read ANYTHING that has been posted on this bbs re. how to set up AH. OR, maybe you have, and just think you know better. (shrug)
use 1024x768 res. in AH. use 256 object size. MAKE SURE all three sliders are at least 1/2 way towards performance. I find ground deatil gives me the hardest hit, so i usually have it set quite low.
Antialiasing - OFF
Anisotropic filtering - OFF
Also consider setting your max FPS to 45.
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Here's your cheese to go with your whine...
I'm not much of a wine drinker.. Is cheese and whine really a tasty combination?
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Originally posted by Steve
I'm not much of a wine drinker.. Is cheese and whine really a tasty combination?
Don't know, gotta ask Elec1. Ale man myself.
ack-ack
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Either it's the latest patch or it is the map we're using now but my FPS just decreased with about 10-15 at lowest level. First time in AH2 I've had less then 30fps in furball, was even down low enough to make it noticable. Hope it is the map. I also only get 20-25fps in a Tank on the current map.
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I think 20-30 fps is great I used to get it with my intergrated card. And even in furballs My frame rates would never drop. But if i tried to talk once they droped below 15. I got discoed, Anyway if your getting 40fps stay with that its great.:D
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Cant say enough about the latest patch.
Was getting crappy FRs and unfathomable stutters
Also had invisible mountians and ground features, lots of shimmers.
Spoke to the Wife AKK and was ready to quit.
Luckily I waited, and after being on vacation for 2 weeks came back to a playable game
Frame rates jumped from crap in a furball to around 45> 60
FM in new version is tough to get used to, but is better than before.
GV battles are exactly what you make them, position, position, position!!!!!!!!!
HT>>>
Good job so far, keep up the good work. Only problem I still have is the Shore Batterys(all of them) that generate through mountains, dont understand why, but I can see it popping up and rebuilding continuosly as I approach a field
Available for quick kills daily!!!!!!!!!
Harry1
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Originally posted by harry1
Frame rates jumped from crap in a furball to around 45> 60
What are your system specs for those planning to upgrade?
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Hum I might be missing something but I have not had any problems with the game at all but it sounds like you guys are haveing problems with the ATI vid cards? I use a 9700 ATI all in wonder and its been working fine with 1024 textures and with 4X anisotropic filtering and no AA and all games setting are on max. I have a AMD 2500XP clocked to a 3000XP and 1 GB of duel channel Ram.
I use Omega drivers 2.5.04 and not stock ATI drivers.
There are newer omega drivers that are out but theses seem to work well for me. I have not tested the latest Omega drivers but I will and see if they are better than the ones I am using. When I tested them 5 months ago I found that the latest drivers where not always the best you have to test them and see what works best for you. if you want here is the link for the Omega Drivers (http://www.omegadrivers.net) Omega makes drivers for Nvidia also.
I would say any vid card with less than 128 ram on it will have problems running most newer games. I also found that Freezing of fps is mostly do to system stressing and heat issues mainly. Make sure you check the fan on your vid card they dont last that long and this my be a problem that you would have with freezes. The fan might be slowing down at times do to over stressing.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Patch 5 was GOOD for this ATI card.
Gave me a solid 20 fps boost across the board.
Went from mid 30's in tower, to mid 50's and its better yet on the runway.
Big WTG HTC!
This ones a keeper!
Newegg.com won't close, but I'm ready to junk the FX5900.
What you running, what card? I want those 20 fps increase. Gimme!
Good info for HTC too, to help them patch.
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ATi Saphire 9000 pro 128mb (8500 chipset)
It was new and cheap in feb of 2003 at 100$.
Wait until htc gets things straightened out. I know they are working hard on this.
btw I drop texture from 512 default down to 256, run 800x600 res. Running latest cat 4.5's
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Originally posted by Electroman
Previously had a GeForce2 card, switched to ATI - totally different drivers and card was removed from the device manager before I started.
Oh really? did you use a driver cleaner to remove all parts of the Nvidia driver first? SetupNVCleaner.exe, just wondering.
Anim
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Originally posted by Ghosth
ATi Saphire 9000 pro 128mb (8500 chipset)
It was new and cheap in feb of 2003 at 100$.
Wait until htc gets things straightened out. I know they are working hard on this.
btw I drop texture from 512 default down to 256, run 800x600 res. Running latest cat 4.5's
How fast a processor are you using?
I'm running my P3-55 oc'ed (at 733 now) and it just ain't cutting the mustard. I'm debating whether or not to try an upgrade to a 1.4 Celeron (my mobo is Slot 1 so that's as fast as I can go on it) and my big ??? mark is whether or not my 128MB Radeon 8500 is good enough. According to what you posted, maybe it is :)
culero
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Originally posted by Ghosth
ATi Saphire 9000 pro 128mb (8500 chipset)
btw I drop texture from 512 default down to 256, run 800x600 res. Running latest cat 4.5's
800X600?!
LOL.
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LOL !!!!!
Still laughing at this most excellent post... even after having read it a few times.
This is (I think) Pyro's and HiTechs 4th major product they have collaborated on. They know how to "work the problem, people !" and get stuff to market.
Heh heh... great post.
Originally posted by SlapShot
You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.
I can picture it ...
HT: Yup ... AH II is out. Everybody gets the next 2 months off.
Pyro: HT ... what are you going to do with all your time off ?
HT: Well ... I think I will read the BBS and see how pissed off I can get people and then go fly my RV-8 all day.
Pyro: Aren't you concerned about fixing bugs ?
HT: Nah ... I want Aces High to go down the tubes so that I can get a job programming for some big corporation rather than own my own company. I thought I might sell pencils on street corners while I get my resume out on Monster.com
Pyro: HT .. what about the rest of us ?
HT: Sorry ... Your on your own.
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he lost all sympathy from me when he complained that SOMEthing might be able to outperform the lala. Im currently on hiatus until I put something together that could get UP to the 45 frames he bemoans (am playin about in h2h tho...only a few planes makes for playable frames) If i EVER quit AH entirely, the sole reason would be the utter bs of the La7 model..AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh
LEARN HOW TO FLY A fluff'n REAL PLANE!
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Originally posted by Creamo
800X600?!
LOL.
Playing with a high resolution makes you feel you're somebody??
Sheesh...
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No, I only play at 800X600. Ever since 1992. Makes me feel manly and junk, if not just for nostalgia.
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Originally posted by Electroman
The main reason they released it is due to pressure from the masses.
If you really believe this then you are extemely delusional.
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Ok mr creamo, yes my system would run it at much higher res.
Problem is not my system, I have a hard enough time seeing those dots as it is.
I don't have / can't afford a 21 " monitor.
So yeah, 800x600 works better for me.
If you have a problem with that take it elsewhere.
AMD 1.67 ghz here on a abit mboard culero. It was what I could afford 18 months ago.
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You got caught bull****ting.
As long as you believe yourself, git err done!
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about 800 x 600...
What is your desktop set to?
I'd advise trying to run the game at least at the same res as your desktop.
On my machine I get higher framerates at 1280x1024 (same as my desktop) than I do at 1024 x 768. My FPS goes from 50 in tower to 60 at the higher resolution.
This was also the case in AH1
SKurj
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Ok mr creamo, yes my system would run it at much higher res.
Only one guy I know on this board is worthy of having his ID prefixed by Mr. - and that is, of course, our very own, esteemed Mr. Toad. :aok