Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: McGuinn on July 02, 2004, 02:07:50 AM
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I think we should have amphibious aircraft in the future. I don’t want to seem like I’m being pushy. HTC has done a great job getting AH2 out. But it would be a great contribution. I have seen many aircraft with pontoons and the PB-Y Catalina just to name a few. The Catalina spotted the fleet in Pearl Harbor and saved many men who were shot down or have bailed out of their aircraft over the Pacific. I don’t know just a thought.
Keep it up HTC!!
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There have been many posts about a Catalina, but youve got to think: What can I really do with a Catalina?
Yes, when ToD comes out, a Catalina could be useful in recon missions, if they are implemented at all. But, what uses could you really have with it? You cant rescue downed pilots, theres really no big advantage by flying for 10-30 minutes and saying on Chan2, "Enemy ships at grid X-X-X"
I wouldnt mind seeing a Catalina, but theres too many planes that are needed before a Catalina.
Now, an A6M Rufe could stand a better fighting chance! :aok
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I reckon there is somethng interesting in recon "missions". There are easily the a/c available for recon conversions: Mossie, Spitfire, P-38, P-51, Ar-234...
...perhaps some kind of target only available for capture/attack if a recon ship has "photo'd" and returned successfully?
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
I reckon there is somethng interesting in recon "missions". There are easily the a/c available for recon conversions: Mossie, Spitfire, P-38, P-51, Ar-234...
...perhaps some kind of target only available for capture/attack if a recon ship has "photo'd" and returned successfully?
Tronsky
My idea for the MA, would be that Ships that are located by a MARPAT plane (using a target select like we have for Check6 calls) would be visable on the clipboard for a certain amount of time.
In the ToD, it would be more like what you describe above: The computer mission generator would simply not include anti-shipping missions until the target has been located by a MARPAT plane. Once located, strike missions are generated and made available to strike planes, using the last known location of the enemy fleet.
This could be supply, surface action groups, or even CV groups.
When I think about the number of copies of "micro-soft flight simulator" that fly off the shelf with every edition, I know that there is a market for flying which is not directly combat flying. I hope that HTC is going to try and tap that market by adding things like navigation (ie, taking away the "you are here" icon on the clipboard map), but hey, I'm easy going, I'll be happy with pretty much whatever comes out lol.
-Sik
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The Cat can carry torps so it's not like it would be used for just recon. It would be recon and SAD.
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and depth charges if subs are ever brought into the game
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Would be cool to see if depths could do any damage to a ship if you could get it to go off right under the ship. I'm sure that in reality a depth charge going off right under your ship would have some consepuences. :rofl
The black cats replaced the nose guns with 20mms.
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H8K2 "Emily" is far superior to the Catalina and in the AH MA that matters.
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Originally posted by Karnak
H8K2 "Emily" is far superior to the Catalina and in the AH MA that matters.
Word
-Sik
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catalina is more representive for the war (more builded and used)
It would be an easy target dough.
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Don't forget the Short Sunderland :D
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I have no idea what a MARPAT is but that seems like a great idea.
Originally posted by Sikboy
My idea for the MA, would be that Ships that are located by a MARPAT plane (using a target select like we have for Check6 calls) would be visable on the clipboard for a certain amount of time.
In the ToD, it would be more like what you describe above: The computer mission generator would simply not include anti-shipping missions until the target has been located by a MARPAT plane. Once located, strike missions are generated and made available to strike planes, using the last known location of the enemy fleet.
This could be supply, surface action groups, or even CV groups.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Montezuma
I have no idea what a MARPAT is but that seems like a great idea.
Sorry, MARitime PATrol.
HTC mentioned that they were unsure of how many players in the current game would be interested in ToD, so I'm really hoping that they plan on exploring missions like Maritime Patrol and High Speed Recon, missions which would be considered painfully boring by the current crowd, but are very interesting to some of us.
I've flown the Scout mission in Scenarios (SBDs in Midway, I had a lot of fun scouting there!) and in the Squadron Operations events (scouting for inbound Bombers in BoB set-ups, as well as searching for CVs in Pac setups), and it's one of my favorite things to do. The concept of taking up a PBY, or even better, someday spawning a floatplane off a CA to go look for the enemy. Considering the tactical importance of detection to any Carrier battle, and the extensive use of Aircraft to achieve that detection, I really hope this is included in ToD when they make it to the Pacific.
-Sik
-Sik
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...and saved many men who were shot down or have bailed out of their aircraft over the Pacific.
This would be a very nice feature. SAR missions would be great.
Not shure if it needs a Catalina for that. A C-47 will be good as well.
When the C-47 is close to the pilot who needs to be rescued, they exchange a 6-call, and then the bailed pilot is on board. (Or something like that.)
The C-47 gets perks for every rescued pilot and the rescued pilots are able to finish their sortie as 'landed sucessfully'.
I can imagine the thrill bringing home a couple of pilots without beeing shot down.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
The concept of taking up a PBY, or even better, someday spawning a floatplane off a CA to go look for the enemy.
Here's my "other" Seaplane wish:
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/images/mitsubishif1m-1.jpg)
These were assigned to most Japanese Battleships and Cruisers to act as scouts and observation planes.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/f1m.htm
-Sik
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I know that i am probable going to be shot down for this but i'm going to suggest it anyway.
I supported the PBY and still do but i think the first seaplane we need is the H8K "Emily" and here is why.
First of all it can fill multiple roles
1 armed air transport for troops and supplies.
2 bomber
3 torpedo
4 land and seaplane*
5and above all to fill in some of the voids for the Japanese aircraft.
I know the plane was not produced in mass quantites but niether was the F4U1-C or the ME-262 but has that stopped HTC from putting them in the game.
For those of you who think this is a bad decision check out the plane for your self.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJARG/kawanishih8k.html
*Karnak if you would please let me know if the H8K is cappable of landing on the ground or was it strictly a seaplane.
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Yep, I agree. H8K would be the single best Seaplane to bring into the game. It fullfils the seaplane role, the MARPAT role, and a heavy bomber for the Japanese.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Sorry, MARitime PATrol.
HTC mentioned that they were unsure of how many players in the current game would be interested in ToD, so I'm really hoping that they plan on exploring missions like Maritime Patrol and High Speed Recon, missions which would be considered painfully boring by the current crowd, but are very interesting to some of us. -Sik
I enjoy escort missions, chasing off bandits, and getting release after the buff is able to RTB safely. Not many kills, but it adds some realism to the game instread of the constant furball mentality. Having bombers you helped complete their mission is kind of fun to me, call me wierd :)
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
I enjoy escort missions, chasing off bandits, and getting release after the buff is able to RTB safely. Not many kills, but it adds some realism to the game instread of the constant furball mentality. Having bombers you helped complete their mission is kind of fun to me, call me wierd :)
wierd.
I had a lot of fun doing the opposite. In the Squadron Operations event a couple of squadies and I were tasked with scouting for incoming bombers. We were flying FW190s. We found the Forts inbound as they were about to go feet dry. One of our guys got too close and was pounced upon and quickly killed. The remaining two of us were able to fall into formation just outside of Icon Range (short icons in the Special Events Arena) and follow the bombers inland, giving position reports the whole way.
I was Detected around the time the first wave of intercepters hit the buffs, and was chased away. I compressed and augered IIRC (not much of a FW driver lol) but I had a blast the whole time. That is what makes me think that Recon and MARPAT would also be fun.
-Sik
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Amphibious? ......yes please :)
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Cannot remember who has said this before, but for the MA.
When a recon plane is within visual range of a task group, the enemy task group shows up on radar (say a bish cv is spotted by a knight recon plane then only knights will see it). The recon plane has to stay within visual range of the carrier for it to stay on the map.
Only works for certain aircraft (recon planes), so they would have more use in the MA than just a 234 flying by trying to direct someone to it.
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My idea for the MA, would be that Ships that are located by a MARPAT plane (using a target select like we have for Check6 calls) would be visable on the clipboard for a certain amount of time.
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Sikboy, that is a cool idea. Would love to see it implemented. Maybe the spotted fleet would stay visible on the map only as long as the scout plane kept tracking it?
Since any plane could be used as a spotting plane, your idea could be implemented any time with existing planes too.
Or, the feature could be available only to future designated patrol planes (but ... they are multimission too).
Or, recon cameras and other equipment could be available in hangars for certain aircraft including some already available, and this sort of spotlight target fixing on the map could be done then only when aircraft are so equipped for recon.
Could get recon points too for first spotting and calling in prime targets like fleets.
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I like that idea for Recon would help in making the game seem more realistic.
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Another idea for recons planes in the MA is the state of enemy bases and strat targets: currently you can right click on the clipbboard map and find out the fuel state, radar etc. Take that away for enemy bases and make it only available if a recon mission has taken photo of the base in the last 15mins or so (and landed successfully).
We have a number of a/c that could easiy be adapted to their recon variants (usually be removing some armament and adding the camera(s) instead):
P-38 to F-5
P-51 to F-6
Spitfire F MkXIV to FR MkXIV
etc.
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I'm up for some amphib planes... wouldn't mind seeing something a bit smaller than a Catalina or Emily, though. Something along the lines of a Blackburn Ripon or Fairey Seafox. I know the Axis had a couple seaplanes too, but I can't think of the names off the top of my head. Or a Kingfisher wouldn't be bad.
But then again, I wouldn't mind seeing a crazy Nazi whirlybird in the skies of Aces High ;)
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Originally posted by memnon
*Karnak if you would please let me know if the H8K is cappable of landing on the ground or was it strictly a seaplane.
It was a flying boat. It could not land on or takeoff of land.
Well, I guess it could belly land on land but that would be it's last flight.
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In my opinion amphibious aircraft will be very usefull at SEA.....
Now there is running second scenario that implements Rescue Missions.
In first Kadesh - we used D3A1 as rescue (it was used just becuase it was slowes aircraft that could easily land in any place). But it was only subsituation for Piper Cab aircrafts.
In BoB we do have rescue - but for pilot that had bailed over sea it will be very problematic to get with PT Boat for rescue....
Implementation of such plane will give us possibility to use SAR missions in any scenario - mostly PTO - needs such plane for players that bailed over sea.
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Originally posted by PhilSmith
I know the Axis had a couple seaplanes too, but I can't think of the names off the top of my head.
See the F1M posted above :)
-Sik
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The PBY and other flying boats can be used for search and rescue. .
for example if you bail and land safely, , , u can ask some one to pick you up , , so you dont get captured etc, , , this would serve as a way for you to not lose all your perk points or something like that and the pilot can get perks for rescue etc. . .
but they would probably make good targets for vulchers, , , but might be fun.
Maybe if they get subs in the game can use them for sub hunting...
anyway
thats my 2 cents.