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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on July 02, 2004, 12:21:04 PM
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Likely much more remains to be found, all that was never accounted for by Iraq or found by the UN.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html
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Bush planted them, they are not "real" WMD anyway and they are old so they don't count.
(Just saving some valuable time and thread space for you)
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WTG Poland.
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I know some you despise Fox News and would have linked a New York Times article but oddly I couldn't find one.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Bush planted them, they are not "real" WMD anyway and they are old so they don't count.
(Just saving some valuable time and thread space for you)
Oops, you forgot a couple: This find hardly counts as a "stockpile".
Iraq wasn't making any plans to actually use them on anybody.
:D
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lol...they bought them?
"Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23."
Not so sure a wtg is warrented here.
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Originally posted by Curval
lol...they bought them?
"Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June 23."
Not so sure a wtg is warrented here.
What do you expect....they're Polish
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
What do you expect....they're Polish
That's a great idea. Mock one of our most faithful allies in Iraq.
Anyhow, better to be out the money and have the Sarin if you ask me, but then, I'm Polish, so what do I know :confused:
-Sik
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Wildcard,
Ever hear of a sting operation?? :rolleyes:
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it would not be news to some unless they were used on our troops ...
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The point on "buying" the things instead of frigging "taking it" in a raid is that the Poles have NO idea whether they have bought it all.
They have simply made some arms dealer a nice little "mark up" on the ones he sold them. The rest could easily be still out on the market....but with a higher price.
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Originally posted by Curval
The point on "buying" the things instead of frigging "taking it" in a raid is that the Poles have NO idea whether they have bought it all.
They have simply made some arms dealer a nice little "mark up" on the ones he sold them. The rest could easily be still out on the market....but with a higher price.
Aside from the point about the dealer making money, how would "taking it" have changed any of this?
How would that have indicated whether they took it all? And if not, how would that change the rest from being on the market with a higher price?
-Sik
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Well, if you raid an inventory of stuff you take all that is there. If someone sells you something and tells you that is all he has you are taking the word of the seller. Not a wise plan.
It is a question of odds in this type of thing. The better odds for getting all of it is with a raid. Surely you can see that?
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Originally posted by Curval
Well, if you raid an inventory of stuff you take all that is there. If someone sells you something and tells you that is all he has you are taking the word of the seller. Not a wise plan.
It is a question of odds in this type of thing. The better odds for getting all of it is with a raid. Surely you can see that?
No, I really don't see that. We don't know what went on before they bought the shells, we don't know what efforts were taken to ensure that all of the shells from that bunker were accounted for, or even where the transaction took place.
It sounds to me like there was an arranged deal. In that case, I wouldn't imagine the dealer would bring more to the deal than he was selling.
But that's as much supposition as your position.
I guess another way of saying it is this: was there the possibility of just "taking it" and at what price? Is there an ongoing effort to work with the guy who sold this ammount to track and find others?
-Sik
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Well, you're right that it is all supposition. I guess I have a little bit less faith in the integrity of arms dealers than you do, especially ones selling chemical weapons. Silly me.:p
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Originally posted by Curval
Well, you're right that it is all supposition. I guess I have a little bit less faith in the integrity of arms dealers than you do, especially ones selling chemical weapons. Silly me.:p
I would put it differently. I guess I have a bit more faith in the abilities of the Troops on the scene than you do, especially Polish ones. Silly You :)
-Sik
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If those boys find anymore, they now know who will pay cash money on the barrelhead for it, buy it every chance you get.
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Yea...everything is clearly "under control" over there. lol
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Originally posted by Curval
Yea...everything is clearly "under control" over there. lol
Yeah, good point.
Stupid troops! :mad:
-Sik
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Unlike small tourista islands, Curval, very little of the world is "under control". Bad **** happens everywhere, you know.
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Sik...I would have made the same comments if it had been British, US or even Bermudian troops (lol). I have no gripe against Polish troops.
It seems to me, and I am an uninformed couch sitter, that catering to arms dealers (especially ones dealing in chemical weapons) is a bad idea in the long run. Hypocritical too.
Just my $0.02.
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It appears that there is some confusion on the matter, CENTCOM says there were no chemicals in the shells, if it is the same ones:
http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/news_release.asp?NewsRelease=20040705.txt
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Originally posted by Curval
Sik...I would have made the same comments if it had been British, US or even Bermudian troops (lol). I have no gripe against Polish troops.
It seems to me, and I am an uninformed couch sitter, that catering to arms dealers (especially ones dealing in chemical weapons) is a bad idea in the long run. Hypocritical too.
Just my $0.02.
My last point was more about you changing the scope of the argument from a single operation to the bigger picture, which appeared to me to have the downside of laying the blame for the situation in Iraq on the units who are fighting there. It had nothing to do with the ethnicity of the Troops involved. In fact, I actually edited quite a few references to ethnicity in all but my initial post (which wasn't directed at you to begin with).
It seems to me that if they didn't go in balls to the wall, there was a reason for it. I suppose there was a good reason (such as the ongoing investigation) and you, apparently, do not.
As far as I can tell, we're at an impasse. We'll have to agree to dissagree on that, until such time as additional evidence is made available.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Lizking
It appears that there is some confusion on the matter, CENTCOM says there were no chemicals in the shells, if it is the same ones:
http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/news_release.asp?NewsRelease=20040705.txt
Ok, now THAT would be funny. I would expect lots of Polish jokes if that turns out to be the case.
-Sik
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I am in no way blaming units on the ground. In this particular case aren't the Polish troops under US overall command anyway? I mean, let's face it, the Poles would not be buying anything from anyone without an okay from US commanders. It was probably good old greenbacks that were paid anyway...and I doubt they came from the Polish treasury.
I still think it is a bad idea...but I don't know the fact either...so yea, we can agree to disagree.
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Keep on diggin...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
What do you expect....they're Polish
Guess you didn't hear the Polish pilots had the highest kills/deaths in the Battle of Britain?
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
What do you expect....they're Polish
What a stupid thing to say. Poles have been defending The west from invaders going back to the mongol hordes. Take a minute and read up on the flying hussars. They have been short changed by the west throughout history. After WWII they were callously abandoned by the communist administration left in place by roosevelt after he finally died and carried on by Truman. In spite of all that and against overwhelming odds they stood up against the soviets and were instrumental in bringing down that evil empire. The Polish people are loyal, freedom loving, courageous and generous to a fault. I'd rather have a Polish platoon than a french division in any fight. Go mock the french. Leave the Poles alone.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Guess you didn't hear the Polish pilots had the highest kills/deaths in the Battle of Britain?
yea but when germany invaded they (the germans) walked in backwards and said they were leaving!
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I agree Storch. Poland was also a leader among Eastern European countries in the struggle against communism. Without Poland's Solidarity who knows how much longer the USSR would have continued it's oppresive domination?