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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kev367th on July 02, 2004, 04:14:17 PM
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If you can't pork fuel below 75% so that people can fly. Then I would like unkillable FHs also ( 1 buff can shut down up to a medium airfield). Oh and also unkillable ammo bunkers, and why not unkillable barracks also.
In fact lets make all ground targets unkillable including HQ.
Apart from
- Osty turrets which should be able to be killed by a BB gun.
- Panzer turrets see above ^
- Of course ensure that panzer/tiger rounds still bounce off m3s at <800
- Can we have the return of the dancing Tiger?
Should keep everyone happy. ;)
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The whole hangar concept is a fallacy anyway. The hangar being destroyed would have the effect of slowing maintenance only. Aircraft were parked in dispersal areas, which depending upon the distance to/from the front would be hardened accordingly. Standard small fields (75'x3000' MSL runways) would typically field 50 aircraft.
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That's what I want, 50 planes on the ground to strafe to supress you dweebs, what an excellent idea!!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
In fact lets make all ground targets unkillable including HQ.
EUREEKA!!!
Welcome to enlightenment Kev.:D
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Oh and also unkillable ammo bunkers, and why not unkillable barracks also.
Kev dont forget to ask for unlimited ammo loads on aircraft to go with the unlimited fuel...
RHIN0
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quadruple.....posted...wierd stuff
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the whining furballers on this BBs are happy....
kev...just post unlimited amount of bull**** about furballing and maybe the straffin will come back....
seemed to work with them whining senseless idiots
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SLO you checked the skins site. I did a Mk 2c Hurricane in "Hornets" sqn colors when they were based at Edku.
Oops ignore, RAF Hornets sqn. lol
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I really dont understand why fuel can't be porked below 75%.
One of the best ways to 'even the odds' when badly out numberd was to pork fuel along with everything else along a front.
Its pretty stupid I think to have gone this rout.
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Gotta keep the furballers happy Morph.They cry the loudest.I dont mind a furball now and then but this just cut the strat part to zip.Took away alot of peoples main goal in the game,right or wrong,its a bad choice IMHO.Should be able to take it down to 50%
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Gotta keep the furballers happy Morph.They cry the loudest.I dont mind a furball now and then but this just cut the strat part to zip.Took away alot of peoples main goal in the game,right or wrong,its a bad choice IMHO.Should be able to take it down to 50%
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Country channel is filled with discussion about this subject every day now. It seems to be playing out as a bad GamePlay decission in the eyes of the majority in the MA.
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Got to love the NO Skill Pork Whine...LOLROF...:rofl :rofl :rofl
Kalamori
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I must admit that ommiting the ability to pork the enemy fields is taking away the 'realistic' part of the game, while making gunnery harder adds to it. If you're going to make a game realistic, then porking should be included. What hapens when the Rook hordes come on a Sunday night (or so i've been told living in England), how are we supposed to stop them? The ammount of morning i've got up and bishops have lost nearly all the bases they took the previous day is uncountable.
Decide on realistic or not, and stick to it.
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I must admit that ommiting the ability to pork the enemy fields is taking away the 'realistic' part of the game, while making gunnery harder adds to it. If you're going to make a game realistic, then porking should be included. What hapens when the Rook hordes come on a Sunday night (or so i've been told living in England), how are we supposed to stop them? The ammount of morning i've got up and bishops have lost nearly all the bases they took the previous day is uncountable.
Decide on realistic or not, and stick to it.
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Originally posted by ESB
I must admit that ommiting the ability to pork the enemy fields is taking away the 'realistic' part of the game, while making gunnery harder adds to it. If you're going to make a game realistic, then porking should be included.
While I will agree the concept of 'porking gas' is realistic, the methods use in AH1 were no where near realistic. In point of fact, the methods use to pork fields were often a lot more gamey than not being able to get it below 75%.
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Being not able to pork fuel has put me out of a job. Gotta go back to bombing. I tried porking ord and troops, to stop the hordes, didnt work to well considering both ord and troops come back up in about hlaf an hour.
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Great post Kev!
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Blue11 you can join metatron on spawn camping...That will stop a base capture...LOL
Or you can get in a fighter and shoot down the bad guys..
Kalamori
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Blue11 you can join metatron on spawn camping...That will stop a base capture...LOL
Or you can get in a fighter and shoot down the bad guys..
Kalamori
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The issue with fuel porking has been around a long time.I liked what AW did in that you could still fill up,it just degraded the quality of the fuel.Seems there has to be a better option to keep 1 guy in a tiffy from taking out the fuel at a base.harder fuel bunkers would be a start.This only down to 75% isnt a fix.Its caveing in to the ones that complaign the most.Theres got to be a middle of the road even if its the ability to only kill 50% of the fuel.
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Kamori, its sorta hard to stop a horde of planes in a tiger. And its sorta hard to up a fighter with 20 people vulching the runway.
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I don't understand why the building battlers claim they "can't" pork stuff anymore.
Can't you still disable ordnance?
Can't you still disable troops?
Can't you still disable droptanks?
Can't you still level the town?
Can't you still shoot all the field guns?
Can't you destroy the VH?
Can't you destroy the FH's?
Can't you destroy the BH's?
Can't you still destroy HQ/Dar?
Can't you destroy the local factories and depots?
Oh wait, I think I get it. ONE determined suicide guy can't shut down an entire front within 15 minutes now.
The fuel load porking thing to 25% sucked. I'm glad it's gone. One of the reasons I quit AH before was because I would constantly log on, see every front-line base (and some of the secondary ones) at 25% fuel....and log straight back off.
Now they just need to make Bar Dar undestroyable.
J_A_B
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The point is you can not stop the horde. Theres been times with some teams having a 100+ player advantage. You destroy all FHs at a base. They come back up in 15 minutes. Disable ord or troops. Nack up in half an hour.
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Stopping the horde is easier than ever.
Drop the barracks - One at small base, two at medium and large fields. One P-51D with full armament can fly around to pork about 5 fields in a hop. With heavy enemy resistence it can still bust about two.
Gather a couple of dedicated guys with good sense and mission planning, and you can knock the barracks of entire enemy front in about 1 hour.
Gather some more guys, and you can detroop the frontline, and 2nd line fields also, making the enemies have to fly goons at least more than 75 miles to capture a base - with even less casualties suffered than in AH1.
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Only started this as a 'sarcastic' post, but guess it took on a life of its own.
The current fuel situation isn't really acceptable. Consider if you fly any aircraft that can't take DTs, or an aircraft where its either ord or DTs.
Guess your pretty well hosed if you fly a gas guzzler on a 2x fuel burn.
The stategic part of the game is rapidly dissappearing, we lost night (great for buff runs) because the furballers complained. We now have a crazy fuel situation because of the same reason.
Think it's time the powers that be decide on exactly what kind of game this is gonna be, furballs or building battling, because it doesn't seem the two can co-exist as things stand.
FHs are an interesting point J.A.B. - One guy can now take down all FHs on a small and medium size field in one pass. Our squad does it all the time. Wonder how long it will be till the furballers complain and either one of two things will happen. 1) They will be spread out more, or 2) You will need gazillions of lbs of ord to take them down.
Dar - Well I guess why not, and while we're at it lets paint all the planes "Barbie" pink so they stick out more.
Strats - Becoming more pointless each change in the game.
Buffs - Apart from taking down a city or HQ (unless J.A.B. gets his way) pretty well pointless.
Like I said, it doesn't seem as though the two ways of playing can co-exist. You have the furballers who want as much fuel as possible, always 'on' dar etc, and the building battlers who want the ability to kill exactly what the furballers want.
Maybe it's time for an official statement from HT on what exactly what this game is going to be.
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I agree with you completly Kev.
Yall say its easy o stop the horde, just pork barracks and ord. Ive siad it 2 times in ths post now. You can por ord and troops yes. BUT, troops no longer stay down for hours on end. Troops come back in about half an hour. This requires non stop porking. A p38 can take ord and troops down at a small and msium base by itself. Its not that easy to stop a horde.
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If I had my way EVERYONE (well 99%) would have more fun. Seriously.
It is agreed that the heavy bombers are more or less pointless. If I had my way, Ground attack fighters would give way to Heavy Bombers (and I don't mean one guy in a Lanc) as the prime means of affecting an entire front; ground-attack fighters should have an impact on local assets only. The people who LIKE the heavy bombers are the people I currently feel most sorry for in AH because they have virtually no role.
Oh, and there would be no ME-163's or 262's in the MA. With game-crippling things (like porked sector counters) removed, there'd be no need for them (the 163 in particular was added to specifically counter HQ strikes).
J_A_B
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Suppose it depends what you do in the game for fun. For some it is porking HQs, others furballing, etc.
Whats dissappointing is that ALL the recent gameplay changes have been done with the furballers ONLY in mind.
As you yourself said HT has given heavy buff drivers virtually no role now. How many more changes until jabos are virtually pointless, I know its seems an extreme view but just looking at a possible future scenario.
Maybe time to stop advertising it as a "Sim" and just as a "Game", as its only a sim as in as much as what suits a specific category of player.
Maybe we should ask for a poll.
Fuel
a) leave as is
b) compromise i.e. fields can go down to 50%
c) go back to AH1
Night
a) leave as is
b) enable but for shorter time than AH1
c) as in AH1
Me I'd go for B and B as I wouldn't want to deprive the furballers totally, but then again I am a reasonable guy.
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Relax.....breathe deeply....
The "Gameplay" pendulum will swing back again...it always does :).
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Originally posted by kamori
Blue11 you can join metatron on spawn camping...That will stop a base capture...LOL
Or you can get in a fighter and shoot down the bad guys..
Kalamori
Still whining about ONE death in your panzer? and then three more in your Lancs? Pathetic.
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yay VOSS! stick it to the man!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
If you can't pork fuel below 75% so that people can fly. Then I would like unkillable FHs also ( 1 buff can shut down up to a medium airfield). Oh and also unkillable ammo bunkers, and why not unkillable barracks also.
In fact lets make all ground targets unkillable including HQ.
Apart from
- Osty turrets which should be able to be killed by a BB gun.
- Panzer turrets see above ^
- Of course ensure that panzer/tiger rounds still bounce off m3s at <800
- Can we have the return of the dancing Tiger?
Should keep everyone happy. ;)
Kev you don't remember the Havoc we gave the Rooks at A7, in that VH? Man how soon you forget.
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Karaya
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Stopping the horde is easier than ever.
Drop the barracks - One at small base, two at medium and large fields. One P-51D with full armament can fly around to pork about 5 fields in a hop. With heavy enemy resistence it can still bust about two.
Gather a couple of dedicated guys with good sense and mission planning, and you can knock the barracks of entire enemy front in about 1 hour.
Gather some more guys, and you can detroop the frontline, and 2nd line fields also, making the enemies have to fly goons at least more than 75 miles to capture a base - with even less casualties suffered than in AH1.
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel. :D But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.
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I gotta say this... where you guys think that porking fuel will result in stopping the horde? The ability to pork fuel works both ways, it affects those outnumbering and those outnumbered. Obviously those outnumbered are gonna suffer more from being porked!
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TOD(Tour of Duty) should put a stop to all of this
unorganized warfare is the root of the problem
put a little thought into your actions as a whole rather than a single person,and all unrest should then disapate
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You guys forget some of the other factors.
yes fuel can only be porked to 75% however fuel burn rate is 2.0 thats alot less flying time with 75% fuel in the majority of planes.
i dont understand the complaint about ord. either. you say its "only" down for 30 min, well how long should it be down? a few hours?
If you REALLY wanna screw with the enemy {novel idea} TAKE THE BASE!!!! unless thats to much trouble for ya.
I understand the advantages of porking fuel at some bases but alot of guys go WAY overboard like flying several sectors and porking next thing ya know its all porked and who wants to fly with just 25% fuel all the time?.
If you want to stop the HORDE you have to organize and work together. There enough good sticks and squades out there that if they worked together could stop and even push back the horde {history has proven this}
Until those that are in the minority wether its Bish, knights or even rooks {rare} start working together STRATEGICALLY as well as tactically the horde will continue. Whining about it wont do anything except make folks laugh at ya as they steamroll over your bases.
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I was one who wanted to learn all the facets of the game ground combat, air and sea and I would fly supply and run supply to gv and bases.
Now...I am joining the rampaging hordes and the spawn campers, what else is there to do.
I can knock out the hangers and troops, but for a very limited time and given my limited abilities at present and because of the chances I will have in a furball (zero to none, because the learning curve is so steep).
Guess what. I am not going to improve, because as soon as I up, someone who is a veteran or has more time to spend is going to flame me and down I go.
In the gv battles I have a chance, if I am a spawn camper, but if I were to want to help in the attempt to take a base, I will need to spawn dozens of times and hope that with airstrikes that enough campers will be eliminated to allow progress.
It gets old being a target and the snide and arrogant remarks about upping somewhere else or joining the furball is getting old and does nothing to further interest in the game.
I want total war and all that goes with it. A base gets bombed back to the stoneage, so be it...BUT, Don't allow it to immediately up and be in business, make it so that the new owners have to bring in supplies to restore more than basic service. Make hitting of refineries and factories important again and the furballers will have more than enough to do with going after formations and protecting and intercepting.
Sure I was getting knocked down in AHI, but there was things I could do, that still give me enjoyment.
Now, well honestly the fun is being siphoned away for me and others, add to it the impending costs of a newer faster system and one has to look at priorities....and the present trend is making the monthly fee look better spent elsewhere.
Say what you will but this is how I feel.
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Like I posted in another topic I have become a total buff pilot I can handle the long climb out and can hit my target almost every time but rarely do I see any change in base stats unless I hit a VH or radar on any given field. I say if fuel is an issue just make them hardened so that one plane can't take them down so easy, let us buff pilots handle the job. It's harder to get a bomber formation in to a base and bomb a specific target while 1 to 5 fighters are trying to shoot you out of the sky. It would just make it that much more rewarding to be a bomber pilot and also rewarding for those fighter pilots who shoot down us buff's trying to take out the fuel.;)
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Originally posted by Leayme
Guess what. I am not going to improve, because as soon as I up, someone who is a veteran or has more time to spend is going to flame me and down I go.
Leayme you've been here a whole month. If you can't spend the time to learn how to defend yourself with the resources availiable to you, you need a different venue to play.
It ain't easy, it isn't something you pick up in a couple of weeks. It's not SUPPOSE to be.
You have to really WANNA. You have to get your *** handed to you over and over. Do the research on ACM, do the time and work it. Hook with a trainer or any of the guys that offer.
My suggestion is to fight people straight up and forget the "war" stuff.
But that's just me. For me there is nothin better than the fight. If I want to win a war..
I play something from Avalon Hill.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
You guys forget some of the other factors.
yes fuel can only be porked to 75% however fuel burn rate is 2.0 thats alot less flying time with 75% fuel in the majority of planes.
Do the math, Use the E6B feature of AH2 and you will see you are wrong. If a 2x burn rate is double that of the 1x burn rate.
Then if in AH1 the fuel burn rate is x1 and in AH2 it is set at x2, then AH2 will allow a P51D 307 mins of (idle) run time on the runway with a 75% fuel load. AH1 will allow the P51D an (idle) run time of 206 minitues on the runway with a 25% fuel load. So HTC has catered to the whines of the Anti Land Grabbers.
Its there for all to calculate. Have a nice day.
Originally posted by WilldCrd
Until those that are in the minority wether its Bish, knights or even rooks {rare} start working together STRATEGICALLY as well as tactically the horde will continue. Whining about it wont do anything except make folks laugh at ya as they steamroll over your bases.
Fact: "Until those that are in the minority wether its Bish, knights or even rooks {rare} start working together STRATEGICALLY as well as tactically"The underdogs most definently need to learn to wok together.
Fiction: "Until those that are in the minority wether its Bish, knights or even rooks {rare} start working together STRATEGICALLY as well as tactically the horde will continue"
The Hoard is all about the numbers advantage. No amount of "Working together" will stop those from hoarding together.
As long as a single counrty can have 60 to even OVER 100+player advantage, the hoard is eminent.
Its the security in numbers mentality that causes the hoard?
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Fuel Burn rate in AH1 was 2.00 as well I believe. All that has changed is the individual fuel efficiency of the aircraft and in AH2s case, made it less efficient.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Fuel Burn rate in AH1 was 2.00 as well I believe. All that has changed is the individual fuel efficiency of the aircraft and in AH2s case, made it less efficient.
Source? And isnt the result the same? meaning AH2 burns 2 times as fast?
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I thought AH1 burn rate was 1.5 or thereabouts. Apart form that try flying a plane where you can't take DTs or its Dt's or ord but not both.
Actually I think Leayme has hit it on the head, for admitting you fly with the hoard. A newbie with around a month is saying that it is not as much fun as AH1.
In fact last night I have never seen so many LA7s, something that wouldn't happen with 25% fuel. Most of the time late last night early this a.m. was 90% 1943 and onwards planeset. Hurris, Spit 1 etc as fast becoming things you will usually only see in the SEA. At least in AH1 we had a more rounded planeset, but I put this all down to the fuel situation.
Hell even 75% on a P51 with 2x burn rate goes a long way, more than can be said say for a Tiffy etc.
Mugzee you are absolutely correct this was done to appease the anti land grabbers, to hell with everyone else.
Unfortunately the two methods of gameplay can't co-exist in the same arena/game.
All I would like is a statement from Hi-Tech, if this is going totally furball as it appears to be, I'm taking my money somewhere else.
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I think what needs to change is the down time on some things.
Hanger down time was adjusted WAY back when guys had figured how to shut down an entire front with a couple of high lancs.
That is no longer a serious problem.
Hanger time should go to 30 - 45 min.
But what we really need is a way to slow down/prevent resupply to a city. Or extend its rebuild time. Giving people a chance to capture. Considering how much there is to kill at a city now compared to ah1, we need more time to deal with it.
Ideally resupply trains/convoys would have bridges that could be knocked out. Preventing resupply to that area for at least an hour.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I thought AH1 burn rate was 1.5 or thereabouts. .
I remember asking on the BBS some time back if the default settings in Offline mode (AH1) were the same as the MA in (AH1). The answer was Yes. Ahhhhh did a search..here is the link. Oh DEAR that was a long time back. Guess my memory is pretty good after all :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=47553&referrerid=7566
I remember seeing the "FuelBurnRateMult at 1.0000 many many times in the default settings while learning more about the Arena settings in AH1. So unless someone from HTC says different now.. Im sticking with the info i was given by skuzzy a while back.
If you start AH1 now(providing you kept it on your HDDD like i have) and bring up Arena Settings , hit the default button and check Fuel Burn Rate Mult....yep... it was 1.0..........:)
Originally posted by Ghosth
I think what needs to change is the down time on some things.
Hanger down time was adjusted WAY back when guys had figured how to shut down an entire front with a couple of high lancs.
That is no longer a serious problem.
Hanger time should go to 30 - 45 min.
But what we really need is a way to slow down/prevent resupply to a city. Or extend its rebuild time. Giving people a chance to capture. Considering how much there is to kill at a city now compared to ah1, we need more time to deal with it.
Ideally resupply trains/convoys would have bridges that could be knocked out. Preventing resupply to that area for at least an hour.
Now were cooking. Nice refreshing thoughts.
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Offline fuel burn rate was different to Online Arena settings.
I thought it was 1.7 but I was told by several people that AH1 was 2.00
HTC wanna comment?
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel. :D But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you:lol
take care
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Originally posted by Wax
LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you:lol
take care
I fail to see the contradiction? Dumb prettythang :rolleyes:
Its a tactic that must be used at different times. If our country is being over ran...I pork..If it isnt...I make plans to capture bases and dont have to time for porking. So whos trying to be a Liar and a trouble maker.....Jerk OFF OUT
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Just did a search of Fuel Burn Rates and a few people mention FBR 2 was used in AH1.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119917&highlight=fuel+burn+rate
Dated 2003 http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95987&highlight=fuel+burn+rate
Dated 2002 http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64339&highlight=fuel+burn+rate+settings
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117803&highlight=fuel+burn+rate
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
I fail to see the contradiction? Dumb prettythang :rolleyes:
Its a tactic that must be used at different times. If our country is being over ran...I pork..If it isnt...I make plans to capture bases and dont have to time for porking. So whos trying to be a Liar and a trouble maker.....Jerk OFF
Wax a dumb prettythang? I beg to differ, upon meeting the smart prettythang of smart prettythanges, he is quick witted, light drinker :) and has one of the most amazing SA's in the game. I'm very good SA wise, and there are times, I don't see something he does.
You fuel porkers are sad people, if that's what you pay almost $15 a mo. for, than enjoy, LMFAO. :aok
Wax, after my hiatus, I hope they bring back Trinity, TankTown runs in a Hellkitty need to be resumed. :p
<> Wax
Karaya
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ok how about anything that is porked needs to be resuplied to come back up.If a base has fuel porked and is captured it needs to be resupplied by players and not automaticaly.
that way porking works but also has to be redone.you can kill everything but you ned to resupply it with players doing the resupply.
say some one kills the fighter hangers then captures the base in stead of them coming up after 30 mins make them be resuplied.
only have a few fighters for that base and if they crash or are damaged untill the hangers are rebult there are limited numbers avaible.
eg say 5 la7 5 spits no hangers 2 la7 crash 1 gets shot down that leaves only 2 servicable till hangers come back then get full compliment.
same with fuel instead of 25 % for fighter and 25% for bomber which have bigger tanks make it say 30 gallons or a idea like that.
just my 2 pennies worth
rogerdee
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wax a dumb prettythang? I beg to differ, upon meeting the smart prettythang of smart prettythanges, he is quick witted, light drinker :) and has one of the most amazing SA's in the game. I'm very good SA wise, and there are times, I don't see something he does.
You fuel porkers are sad people, if that's what you pay almost $15 a mo. for, than enjoy, LMFAO. :aok
Wax, after my hiatus, I hope they bring back Trinity, TankTown runs in a Hellkitty need to be resumed. :p
<> Wax
Karaya
Try making sense next time.
You are correct in the literal sense.
He called me a liar. I never denied running porking missions.
I just stated that if it wasnt needed i didnt do it. Some times it is needed. really no confusion at all.
So actually as you say...Wax isnt a "Dumb prettythang" hes just being an prettythang Hole.
Now we have an HTC family tree started.. Arlo....prettythang Hole and now Wax.... prettythang Hole. Nice to meet yas Mr. Holes.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Offline fuel burn rate was different to Online Arena settings.
I thought it was 1.7 but I was told by several people that AH1 was 2.00
HTC wanna comment?
They already did once.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=47553&referrerid=7566
However!!!
This post by HT on 9-3-2003 changes everything!!!!
Originally posted by hitech
Swoop is correct fuel burn rate in the MA is 2.0.
When testing fuel burn rates, test first at full throttle. If you are testing at a lower power setting you are testing 2 things at once.
We are looking into the mos.
HiTech
Now i stand corrected. I didnt realize they changed it from the time HT Told me that AH1 MA settings were the same as the AH1 "Offline Default settings"
Originally posted by hitech
Default offline settings are the same as the host , with the exception of viewmode flags.
So forget the "Math" after all!! My appoligies all round.
Hitech...care to tell us exactly what the Fuel burn changes are? And how they are implimented? IS the AH2 Current Burn Rate exactly the same as AH1 (Post 9-3-2003)
Fuel Burn Rate....x2 ? And if so...how does the new settings compensate for the obvious changes in flight range/time? TY
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"Try making sense next time. "
How many more posts are you gonna attempt on this, you already have eight. What HAVEN'T you said in those eight that you couldn't in 1 or 2 genius? The horse is dead, it will only twitch now. When you actually grow a brain, you'll realize I knew you were gonna post, EXACTLY what you did. It's you don't use your brain. He isn't an prettythanghole, maybe you are. Fuel porker.
Karaya
<> Wax
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"Try making sense next time. "
How many more posts are you gonna attempt on this, you already have eight. What HAVEN'T you said in those eight that you couldn't in 1 or 2 genius? The horse is dead, it will only twitch now. When you actually grow a brain, you'll realize I knew you were gonna post, EXACTLY what you did. It's you don't use your brain. He isn't an prettythanghole, maybe you are. Fuel porker.
Karaya
<> Wax
So put your stick away and GO AWAY..Or are you going to "Hoard" the dead horse with the rest of us? :p
"He isn't an prettythanghole" Your right...hes just acting like one.
PS...Take a little time and read the Threads in the BBS that i replied to and or started..You will see that i dont have a long track record of attacking anyone personally untill they attack me first. With the exception that a player is caught red handed at commiting un - honorable acts. (ie extreem gaming the game stuff) Like vulching theirs or a freinds "Shades" account and the likes. Then its no holds barred!
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
So put your stick away and GO AWAY..Or are you going to "Hoard" the dead horse with the rest of us? :p
"He isn't an prettythanghole" Your right...hes just acting like one.
Merely defending Wax, a person I met at last year's con. ooh, you are sure defensive.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Merely defending Wax, a person I met at last year's con.
Does he need help?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=106999&referrerid=7566
Originally posted by Masherbrum
ooh, you are sure defensive.
Karaya
And this from someone who typed no less than 17 words ago that he was merely defending wax.The nice guy he met at last years con. :confused:
I was called a Liar.. I have a right to defend myself.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Does he need help?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=106999&referrerid=7566
And this from someone who typed no less than 17 words ago that he was merely defending wax.The nice guy he met at last years con. :confused:
I was called a Liar.. I have a right to defend myself.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel. But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.
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I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
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LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you
take care
I missed something here, as did the rest of us. Where were called a liar, Mr. "I have a right ot defend myself"?
You admitted to this before his post. Nut up and shut up.
Karaya
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I still believe fuel porkage should effect big fuel users long before it effects low fuel users............in the main that means multi engined bombers ................ % is wrong IMO.
the 75% lower limit was added to correct a poor choice of FBM = 2 (just my opinion) and had the added "benefit" of anti pork.
However porking is still alive and well its just now directed at hangers...............
Successfull fuel porking limited range............
Successfull hanger porking removes the choice of a ride................
To me porking field fuel should always have been a very temporary thing...........fuel is really a strat feature where by the supply is the critical aspect not the field store.
Hangers, as some one said above, limit a fields ability to service air craft............. presently its an on/off switch......... a reducing ac airborne limit would be more realistic but (i think) unpopular.
I dont see the need for bomber, fighter & vehicle hangers any more.......... they should be just hangers............porking ordinance would than have the same effect as killing eg bomber hangers.
Ordinance could then be "heavy" (bombs), medium (rockets and shells) and light (cannon and MG rounds).......there would be differing multiple stores for each which would be heavily armoured and, like fuel, resupply would be quite rapid given strat support.
The GV is now playing an ever increasing role in field defence and attack........... this is only limited where maps restrict spawning to limit GV activity to the field alone (H only).
It because a Gv can leap frog enemy lines to points adjacant to enemy facilities......
I think the ability for GV's to spawn "thru" the front line should be examined........... A sort of road between each field along which GV's spawn to a half way point or a point on that road where other freindly GV's have reached (but never past an enemy GV)........ might produce a sort of front line effect that would limit the GV's ability to spawn and pork and create a GV battle front which ground attacking AC can directly interplay with.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
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I missed something here, as did the rest of us. Where were called a liar, Mr. "I have a right ot defend myself"?
You admitted to this before his post. Nut up and shut up.
Karaya
OK i will have to hold your hand and take a stroll down memory lane i guess. Try to pay attention.
BelowIs my first reply to this thread. I simply stated my experiences as heard on Country Channel in the MA. It is my opinion that the setting has degraded Gameplay.
NO personal attacks.
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Country channel is filled with discussion about this subject every day now. It seems to be playing out as a bad GamePlay decission in the eyes of the majority in the MA.
Kweassa then replies
Originally posted by Kweassa
Stopping the horde is easier than ever.
Drop the barracks - One at small base, two at medium and large fields. One P-51D with full armament can fly around to pork about 5 fields in a hop. With heavy enemy resistence it can still bust about two.
Gather a couple of dedicated guys with good sense and mission planning, and you can knock the barracks of entire enemy front in about 1 hour.
Gather some more guys, and you can detroop the frontline, and 2nd line fields also, making the enemies have to fly goons at least more than 75 miles to capture a base - with even less casualties suffered than in AH1.
I answer his findings/opinion, this way.
And explained that I pork when necessary. “I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. Again NO personal attacks and a nice discussion on the topic.
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Dropping 3 barracks was always easy after a little practice. I used to drop 2 barracks on the feild in one dive.. .. climb out slightly outa ack range, and dive in and take out the town barracks. All in one pass from the same direction. Nothing has changed here.
What has changed is the effect that porking has had on the NME.
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Will it change? Who knows. Should it? If a pole was taken and used of the entire player base... Youd see the 75% porkage back faster than you could say..... Kweassa typing a novel. :D But we will never know will we? HT doesnt operate on Poles.
Wax then decides to try and attack me on a personal basis,(I dont know why?) By implying that I had contradicted myself and that I am a liar.
The Implication occurrs here….. "Is it not a fact that"[/b]………….
You see? The grammar dictates his implication that I said one thing and then another.
Originally posted by Wax
LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already this is a game to have fun if your not having fun maybe this games not for you:lol
take care
In conclusion. You asked "Where i was called a liar?"
Here.........I said "I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times. And it simply has been removed.
Wax said "LMAO at this Mugz.. Is it not a fact that you said to me on Room Chanl about 6 months ago just before I switched to Rook. That you were going to have your squad Pork all Rook Ft line and even 1 base back Fuel? Yes you did so stop ya whines and lies already .
I hope this clears things up for ya.
I never denied that i use "Porking" as a strategy. In fact quite the oppisite is true. I admitidly stated that i support and use porking as a tactic in certain situations in my first reply to Kweassa's post. Therefore Wax didn’t need to imply that i lied about it.
So whats to "Nut Up" about Smart Guy?
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Now we have an HTC family tree started.. Arlo....prettythang Hole and now Wax.... prettythang Hole. Nice to meet yas Mr. Holes.
Heh .... man! I really left an impression on your bughole, bungholio. :D
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Porkypoo's
Stop whining, put a mission together, AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY!!
Bombers, Dive-Bombers, Escort and a Goon or two. Whining because you can't single-handedly ruin the fuel everywhere all by your lonesome is getting old.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
“I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries and were using them in mass. Its simply a sound and necessary tactic at times.
was :rofl
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How about this old military maxim:
"No organized military unit is ever outnumbered by a mob."
If large mob meets small mob, large mob wins. Sunday Night (EST)Rooks are a furballing loving mob -- I know, i've given up trying to get organized missions running. So, defeat them by getting 10 fighters to ingress together, not in 1s and 2s, and assign real wingmen who understand clearing and covering. Use breaks and extensions to pull the group away from the capped base. You will shred the mob's "cohesion" quickly, allowing your allies to start upping from said base. Rinse and repeat.
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Tilt, very reasoned and interesting post, especially your ideas about the increasingly important GV game. But here's a thought in general:
Introduction of new technology on the battlefield generally causes a predictable pattern of enemy adaptation. First, there's a shock phase, where new equipment (like the first tiger on Ostfront) causes great impact, and can induce panicked reactions. Spontaneous ad-libbing, for good or bad, is the first op force reaction. Later, as the implications of the technology become understood, intelligent adaptations are made, the shape of the battlefield changes, and a new equilibrium is established.
AH application -- we've got new rules, and we haven't yet figured out what they mean. Lets see what tactics the ever creative AH crowd come up with, and find out just what the new equilibrium turns out to be! Bombing harder because more fighters up? Well, I'm starting to see a trio of buffs with a single fighter escort, to distract/discourage interceptors -- something I rarely saw before. Who knows what's next?
Wholesale tweaking is certainly coming, but lets slow the pace till we see just what we've got. That way, instead of bouncing from one problem to another we can get real fixes that really work.
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I dont have any probs with the FBn rate of 2, and the Lagg 5 is becoming my preferred ride, I can get regular flight times of 30 to 40 mikes, and with a little luck, I can usally land my kills > >. normally I load 100% fuel, climb out on WEP, and at 15k I pull out the E6B and check for the best cruse rate for my AC, drop the MP AND the RPM, and check my fuel consumption on the E6B again, in level flight at cruse I dont see a large drop in speed and my flight to the A.O. seems about the same as AHI. Thttl up for combat, leave the E6B out on the Kneeboard so I can do a quick check by toggling the thing, and extend out when I hit bingo fuel. I like having to manage the fuel, and find 20 to 35 mike sorties to be optimal. Especally in the 1 to 2 sector base seperation enviroment. Just my .25 worth
Gunns
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Originally posted by ESB
I must admit that ommiting the ability to pork the enemy fields is taking away the 'realistic' part of the game, while making gunnery harder adds to it.
Yes, porking fuel, restricting the number of planes on fields, etc. are 'realistic'.
Interesting that the lack of fuel or destroyed hangars on our fields frustrate us in game. In real life we would pray to be out of fuel or ammo on our field. To seat in the officer bar and drink beer is much more better than take off and meet 'real' Furbar... Real war is very unpleasant thing.
So, what is the 'realism' you are talking about?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Heh .... man! I really left an impression on your bughole, bungholio. :D
ROFLOL!!!!
Originally posted by Tumor
was :rofl
Still IS. Just not in AH2
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Mugz im not trying to start a fight here but, who exactly pissed in your post- toasty's? I havent seen you make one constructive or helpful post. It's always a complaint or whine. When someone try's to provide a solution you knock it. It doesn't matter what the problem is you always seem to be on the other side of the fence. Even Hitech mentioned this to you.
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You guys realy take this thing to far.. a nice blunt with a piece of arnold should do the trick for most of ya :aok
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Originally posted by doolitle
You guys realy take this thing to far.. a nice blunt with a piece of arnold should do the trick for most of ya :aok
got the second one last night:D Life is good
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lol
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Does he need help?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=106999&referrerid=7566
And this from someone who typed no less than 17 words ago that he was merely defending wax.The nice guy he met at last years con. :confused:
I was called a Liar.. I have a right to defend myself.
lol This really shows the person you really are mugz..
I was stating a fact.... were u said
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries [/QUOTE
Now theres the Word (Never)
You and I both know that this is not true.. so is it a lie? correct me if im wrong.. I was not attacking you just stating a fact...As to what you said to me on room chnl:rolleyes:
:aok
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Mugz im not trying to start a fight here but, who exactly pissed in your post- toasty's? I havent seen you make one constructive or helpful post. It's always a complaint or whine. When someone try's to provide a solution you knock it. It doesn't matter what the problem is you always seem to be on the other side of the fence.
Actually i think you are.
Below is an example of what you say i dont do.
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!!
I Have agreed with a "Solution" suggested by Ghosth.
Originally posted by Ghosth
I think what needs to change is the down time on some things.
Hanger down time was adjusted WAY back when guys had figured how to shut down an entire front with a couple of high lancs.
That is no longer a serious problem.
Hanger time should go to 30 - 45 min.
But what we really need is a way to slow down/prevent resupply to a city. Or extend its rebuild time. Giving people a chance to capture. Considering how much there is to kill at a city now compared to ah1, we need more time to deal with it.
Ideally resupply trains/convoys would have bridges that could be knocked out. Preventing resupply to that area for at least an hour.
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Now were cooking. Nice refreshing thoughts.
SEE i do agree and support suggestions
Originally posted by WilldCrd
Even Hitech mentioned this to you.
Again you refere to this thread? http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120963&referrerid=7566
It's obvious that HT was annoyed and offended by my remarks. I dont blame him. Im certian the their plate is full. As I explained to Hitech in said thread..."I provided assistance, ie...explained the settings that needed to be adjusted and where the need to be set for the most Freeze/studder free performance...I then explained my posistion on whinning in the BBS "As for the whine, im sure im not the first person on the BBS to whine about something.. If Whining isnt going to be permited in the BBS...Which i actually think a no whining policy is an acceptable approach. Although very hard to enforce.
Say so now.. and i shall refrain."
I did offer assistance. Settings sliders.. ect. And YES i was whining about the AH2 performance. Ask HTC if AH2 Performance is satifactory at this time. It isnt.
Originally posted by Pyro
Performance issues with AH2
We've been working on performance and stability issues that some people have had. It's been problematic for us because fixing an issue on one particular card/driver/memory configuration can create new ones for a different config that was working fine before. There's been quite a bit of work done in this area, but before we put it out in patch form, we plan to make it an optional download. We hope to have this ready to go tomorrow. We appreciate your patience if you're having a problem. Our efforts have been totally committed to getting these issues resolved.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Originally posted by Pyro
The patch is not the test version we released a few days ago. The patch was released because some definitive problems were identified that needed to be addressed and with guarded optimism, we hoped this would put an end to the major issues some people were having. For the most part, people have seen the same improvement we have. How this patch has not helped some people or even made it worse for them is very baffling. If this was a case of everybody having problems or even everybody with the same card having problems, then it wouldn't be difficult to get to the bottom of it. But that's not what we have. We can have two guys with basically the same system specs and have it running like a champ on one while the other is reporting problems.
There must be some catalyst that's accounting for the difference between two otherwise identical setups. Whether that's a setting in the card options, a background process, whatever, we don't know what it is yet. We're trying very hard to duplicate what's been reported. We've been swapping out video cards, changing card settings, changing drivers, changing bios settings, everything we can think of trying. The solution will probably be simple, finding the cause is what's proving to be tough.
[/b]I think AH2 needs work...as do the developers.
Hey look...heres a thread that You and I replied to no more than an hour apart.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=122696&referrerid=7566
Looks as if i am a cooperative person here.
And below is yet another light discussion that you and i both were involved in. Short but sweet.http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=121102&referrerid=7566
In the following thread AWCHKRS explains that the sunglare is too much for him. I support him and give him a cordial seending off. However you decide to shoot down Jetb123 when is trying to help by making a suggestion about the "Gamma" settings. :rolleyes: wtg "Mister Helpy Helperton" :rolleyes:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120742&referrerid=7566
Oh wait...Heres one. below is a thread that you "Spread your kindness to the Younger (Future) generation of AH2
Nothing wrongwith what you said.. just HOW you said it Mr. Helper. http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120629&referrerid=7566
Originally posted by WilldCrd
This strikes me as a poorly disquised attempt to get HT to reverse the decision to kill AH for AH2 so you can still play. Sorry to burst your lil bubble and this is something you need to learn: in the real world companys and technologies dont grind to a halt to "wait" on a few. It just doesn't happen. So go mow some lawns or whatever, get yourself a puter and join us. If you need help we are here.
Just dont attempt to stand in the way of progress...you'll get runover!
Nice sarcastic overtones along with some belittlin remarks Mr Nice Guy. :rolleyes:
Yes i do complain about some things. Yes i do research the things type about.
Yes i do support suggestions i agree with.
(You think i should support suggstions i dont agree with?)
No i dont support suggestions i DONT agree with.
Yes i will stop whining if HT asks (Everyone) to.
Yes i am finished with a hyprocrit that feels the need to call me unreasonable. and best wishes :)
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Originally posted by Wax
lol This really shows the person you really are mugz..
No Actually it shows the person you really are. Sorry dude. You seen fit to attack me and call me a liar. In NO WAY did i contradict my self in the reply that you make reference to.
Try to keep things in context when you pull from quotes. This way you dont look like an prettythang and a trouble maker.
Originally posted by Wax
I was stating a fact.... were u said
I never porked unless the NME was Hoarding or when they had the overwhelming numbers over the other 2 countries [/QUOTE
Now theres the Word (Never)
You and I both know that this is not true.. so is it a lie? correct me if im wrong.. I was not attacking you just stating a fact...As to what you said to me on room chnl:rolleyes:
:aok [/B]
I take it back... You are an prettythang indeed.
As for room channel.......Well. I guess we have no record of it do we? WAIT...Maybe we do. I shall go the AH1 film folder. (I have TONS of film, as i forget the CAM is running most of the time.) I dont have the track record of underhandedness, gamey gamerness that you do. Some may belive you, some will not. Either way. We shall go on.
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How about we make a new thread for "people who want to flame each other and/or defend themselves"?
I guess I'm thinking the "what next" in the thread title was referring to the AH2 game itself.....
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I agree Sam.......No one shold have to come in defence of personal attacks as a result of stating their opinionon a given thread topic. Maybe if we had a Nam Boobie trap attached to the submit button that had the ability to know that the remarks were of a personal attack on an individual in a given reply?
You know..One that would squirt vinager in the face of said offender through the PC monitor when the submitted such a reply? Then the thread wouldnt grow to mega proportions in personal attacks and defeses.
But you are coming LOUD and CLEAR.
I will no bother defending myself on this thread again.
Sorry sir
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and you prove my point.
Hey why not spend the rest of your day going thru ALL my posts and take as much as possible out of context.
Have a nice day and good luck
sighned,
Mr Helpy Helper
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
No Actually it shows the person you really are. Sorry dude. You seen fit to attack me and call me a liar. In NO WAY did i contradict my self in the reply that you make reference to.
Try to keep things in context when you pull from quotes. This way you dont look like an prettythang and a trouble maker.
I take it back... You are an prettythang indeed.
As for room channel.......Well. I guess we have no record of it do we? WAIT...Maybe we do. I shall go the AH1 film folder. (I have TONS of film, as i forget the CAM is running most of the time.) I dont have the track record of underhandedness, gamey gamerness that you do. Some may belive you, some will not. Either way. We shall go on.
Try to keep things in context when you pull from quotes. This way you dont look like an prettythang and a trouble maker.
I take it back... You are an prettythang indeed
LMAO look who calling the kettel black.:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Actually i think you are.
In the future dont assume what you think Im saying. I said what I meant I'm not trying to start a fight with you I was merely making an observation.
And as you yurself stated in a earlier post please dont take my comments out of context if your going to quote them. My comments in other threads have nothing to do with this current discussion and topic. If you think THAT was a personal attack you are mistaken it wasnt. Yet you want to attack me while at the same time complaining about others attacking you. You call me a hypocrite well evidently so are you.
Also I didnt say you never offer assistence. Perhaps I over reacted in my earlier post I'm just aggrevated at all the negative posts of late so i apologize for adding to the negativity and unintentionally attacking you i really didn't mean it that way
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
In the future dont assume what you think Im saying. I said what I meant I'm not trying to start a fight with you I was merely making an observation.
And as you yurself stated in a earlier post please dont take my comments out of context if your going to quote them. My comments in other threads have nothing to do with this current discussion and topic. If you think THAT was a personal attack you are mistaken it wasnt. Yet you want to attack me while at the same time complaining about others attacking you. You call me a hypocrite well evidently so are you.
Also I didnt say you never offer assistence. Perhaps I over reacted in my earlier post I'm just aggrevated at all the negative posts of late so i apologize for adding to the negativity and unintentionally attacking you i really didn't mean it that way
Agreed. My comments on other threads had nothing to do with this one either. You made reference that Never offer assistance.
"I havent seen you make one constructive or helpful post. It's always a complaint or whine. When someone try's to provide a solution you knock it. It doesn't matter what the problem is you always seem to be on the other side of the fence."
And i felt it necessary to make the point. My appoligies sir :)
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Agreed. My comments on other threads had nothing to do with this one either. You made reference that Never offer assistance.
"I havent seen you make one constructive or helpful post. It's always a complaint or whine. When someone try's to provide a solution you knock it. It doesn't matter what the problem is you always seem to be on the other side of the fence."
And i felt it necessary to make the point. My appoligies sir :)
cool no hard feelings. Im jsut trying to clean up my act, lately I've been an prettythang.:cool:
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
cool no hard feelings. Im jsut trying to clean up my act, lately I've been an prettythang.:cool:
Me too :(
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Now back to the porking issue...........
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Now back to the porking issue...........
This issue is going to be a long road. Maybe a compromise could be at least a short term fix.
Like being able to pork fuel to 50%
have FH's and VH's stay down a little longer unless resupplied
same thing with town buildings
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I liked Tilts idea about GVs being able to spawn aheah of the front. Maybe we could finally find a use for GV fuel.
125% - 50 mile spawn
100% - 40 mile spawn
75% - 30 mile spawn
Or something along these lines.
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how about if we just make everyone and everthing unkillable and all be friends.
an online chat room with optional pleasure cruises in a wide variety of obsolete war planes.
like MS flightsim with a chatroom.
bring the Cessna 152 to AH!
batfink
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I think that both Wildcrd and Kev's ideas are perfect for the time being.
What about making ord and troops staying down a tad bit longer. Maybe not like in AH1 where troops stayed down for multiple hours. But, maybe 45 minutes maybe for troops. :aok
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
I think that both Wildcrd and Kev's ideas are perfect for the time being.
What about making ord and troops staying down a tad bit longer. Maybe not like in AH1 where troops stayed down for multiple hours. But, maybe 45 minutes maybe for troops. :aok
I think these are best kept short............the idea that fields would actually run out of ordinance or infantry seems a bit wierd..particularly if the strat supply is healthy..............I cannot think of a single instance where infantry was directly and effectively attrited/eliminated by air borne attack. Armour on the other hand (upon which infantry depend) was repeatedly the target of airborne attacks............(Falaise, Kursk, Battle for France, Bagration, Battle of the Bulge etc etc).................
Hence if armour can get thru then really infantry should be able to do so as well......................
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doh!
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While I hesitate to imply "gaming" anything, real war is going to be reflected in AH, not recreated. Right now the play balance does seem off, largely because strategic goals aren't rewarding enough for the risk and effort involved.
I can live with larger, more spread out towns and the increased incentives for fighter sorties. Ideally, these pressures would shift players towards more organized strategic efforts. Yesterday i upped with a squad that was doing just that -- 6-7 guys in buffs at 9k, 3-4 fighter escort with focus on buff protection. They climbed out , with medium and high fighter cover, took on FH's to relieve pressure on an embattled friendly base, blast the town and hopefully have a capture. It was a fun mission, but the town popped back up before the enemy fighters already up could be suppressed. In the chaotic atmosphere of the MA, ten to twelve teammates working effectively NEED to see rewards for their effort, or team efforts will disppear.
In other words, the very short FH and town times have a greater impact on the strategic game than the fuel situation. AH shouldn't do ANYTHING to discourage the coordinated efforts of the strategically minded. THe current settings make team efforts both more neccesary and more futile -- not a healthy combination.
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Furballs are really fun BUT what has kept me in this game is the camaraderie and the team work that is involved with strategic objectives. The current strat system can surely be re worked to make the game more interesting.
Acetnt
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Mugzee: And everyone else. Stop the whinning.
There, now are my opions clear on the subject of whinning?
HiTech
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Simaril: Are you talking about towns or cities?
HiTech
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Disable ord or troops. Nack up in half an hour.
This is completely incorrect. Take down target in this order and will get result that can be HOURS, yes HOURS long (as was done yesterday to The Rooks's barracks along the entire Knight's front)
1. City (#1, first, numero uno, before anythng else)
2. Country Strat object (factory/training base, etc etc.)
3. THEN, and ONLY then, hit Field strat object.
Do this in ANY other order and you are indeed wasting your time
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Zanth, lets see you fly 7 to 9 sectors and take down a city/ troop factory. All with the horde chasing you.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Zanth, lets see you fly 7 to 9 sectors and take down a city/ troop factory. All with the horde chasing you.
He did say it was done yesterday against the ROOKS, who are considered by most, to be the evil "Horde".
Who said it was supposed to be EASY !!!
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shut up Dale......
let the porkers have there say...you did let the mindless furballers have theirs....
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I don't believe that the regen times are any different than what we saw in AH I. Whats different is the location and the amount of objects that need to be taken down.
What I have seen is ...
Base gets attacked.
Some work on ack, some work on field hangers, and some work on the town.
Now, for most of those who are attacking the buildings at the field, really, at this point have no clue as to what they are attacking cause they aren't use to the field setup yet. So, inadvertantly they knock down a couple of fighter hangers.
Meanwhile, some (very few) are working on the town. Now that the towns are bigger, 1 or 2 guys can really have a hard time clearing it. So, they run out of ammo/ord or get disenchanted and mosey on over to the field looking for some vulches, leaving the town 1/2 to 3/4 down.
Now, another wave shows up maybe 8 to 10 minutes into the original attack, because its harder now to take a base. When the 2nd wave comes in, the objective is to TAKE OUT ALL FHs. Well, there is only 1 FH left and the guy that takes it out thinks that the other 2 were just taken out by the same wave ... not realizing that the other 2 hangers have now been down for 10 or more minutes.
At this point, Mr. Jabo thinks that he has 15 minutes on the clock before FHs come back up. Guess again Mr. Jabo. Next thing ya know, in 5 minutes, 2 FHs pop back up and the screamin' and whinin' start. I THOUGHT FHs were supposed to be down for 15 minutes, not 5 ... what a bunch of BS. Try to explain to them the above scenario and its like talkin' to the wall
Meanwhile, the goon has now arrived. Time to scramble back to the 1/2 to 3/4 destroyed town ... ooops ... did anyone remember that the destruction was done almost 12 minutes ago ... nope .. no way.
Well, now were into the 14th minute and the last tiny little building that most don't even see is finally destroyed. DROP THE DRUNKS ... ALL SET. Now as the tiny little troopers float gently to the ground, the 15 minute clock has just gone past. Whats this ?!?!? Buildings are now popping up like condos on prime shoreline ... I THOUGHT the town was supposed to stay down for 15 minutes ... not 2 minutes ... what a bunch of BS.
Some people never learn.
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Originally posted by hitech
Mugzee: And everyone else. Stop the whinning.
There, now are my opions clear on the subject of whinning?
HiTech
Yes we are clear...crystal clear on your opinion of whining.
And i will not forget it.
Just so everyone is clear on my opinion of HT's opinion of whining.
I uphold his opinion of "Whining" as well as
Although im uncertain as to what, in HT's opinion, constitutes a "Whine"
HT.... follow my comments on this thread please.
I have no apology as to my comments on this thread accept to wildcrd about digging up comments from other threads to defend myself. I have formally apologized to Wildcrd as has he to me.
My replies are two types. (Personal opinion, and Defense against personal attacks and accusation.)
If personal opinion is considered a whine, it is my opinion that you will have to remove at the very least 85% of the Forums on the Message boards.
As far as my comments on other threads about AH2 Beta and AH2, I apologize for the pressure I may have put you and the Staff at HTC under. I didn’t think about the added stress...I am just unhappy in that my playtime has been greatly reduced by the performance issues while I continue to pay my subscription.
So yes I am confident that HTC will resolve the performance issues or I wouldn’t continue to pay and NOT play. A quick check of my (Hours Played History) over the past 2 years will prove exactly how much my time online has be curtailed. I am just blowing off steam to keep blood pressure down :) But I guess this was selfish of me. And I will be mindful of it from here on out. My apologies sir!
PS.This is the last I will be using the BBS to share personal opinion. I shall stick to bug reports, questions and from time to time ask for a particular plane to be added (And try not to react when someone says ( "MugZ we need that plane like we need a Sphintorectomy") I might chance asking for a game Feature to be added or changed. Like the Waypoint Arrows for the CV groups to be Toggelable like the other clipboard items. (Many times around cv battles the NME icons get swallowed up in the Red Lines and arrows)Good Luck with Ah2 it is a great game you and your staff have developed, hope the performance issues are speedily resolved for your sake and the subscribers. Good luck to everyone playing. Just Have Fun.
(Added) example of the kinder gentler MugZ
Here is one of the first threads i posted in the early days. The days when i didnt know there were so many ppl ready to Start a FLAME Fest over nothing. I even asked the Admin to remove it because it was getting "silly".
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=78479&referrerid=7566
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the 75% lower limit was added to correct a poor choice of FBM = 2 (just my opinion) and had the added "benefit" of anti pork.
No truer words have been spoken in this whole thread.
It was not the pressure of "furballers", but rather the pressure and endless threads and screaming done in the ... "WTF is up with the FBM" posts.
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the 75% lower limit was added to correct a poor choice of FBM = 2 (just my opinion) and had the added "benefit" of anti pork.
Which beegs the question? If the result is the same...Why change the FB rate to begin with? It seems to have caused an uproar for nothing, if switching things around had no changing effect on the flight time. Just a question...thats all
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
the 75% lower limit was added to correct a poor choice of FBM = 2 (just my opinion) and had the added "benefit" of anti pork.
Which beegs the question? If the result is the same...Why change the FB rate to begin with? It seems to have caused an uproar for nothing, if switching things around had no changing effect on the flight time. Just a question...thats all
Bottom line was ... it gives legs to the early war machines that would have become completely extinct with the current FBM and 25% fuel porking situation.
Early war planes, such as the Spit V, have no option for Drop Tanks, so with 25% fuel and the current FBM, they would only get to take off and then need to land within and extrodinarily short amount of time.
The current FBM satisfies the "realism" bunch. They can now feel more immersed in forcing fuel management ... thats what the E6B is all about and for. So to make it more "realistic", they needed to wipe out fuel porkin so as not to lose an important part of the "air force" and those who like to fly them.
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Originally posted by hitech
Simaril: Are you talking about towns or cities?
HiTech
HiTech, the story I told was about an attack against a fresh base and associated town -- not city. (Good point about timing, SlapShot, though it didnt apply to this particular situation.) And yes, it could have been 15 min by the time the second run finished, the covering fighters went into dogfight mode, and the goon tried to approach.
I really appreciate Zanth's post, because the failure to take down the strat city was probably the source of our difficulty. I see the strategic point of the realtionships, but I now have to wonder if the chain is a little to long to keep strategic play enjoyably balanced.
Here's what I mean. The triggering event for our local (couple bases over) tactical bomber assault was continued pressure on a friendly base, that friendly fighters just hadnt been able to relieve. Allow time for that realization; allow time for organizing a "fine, hit THEIR starting base" bomber mission; allow time for climbing out and making initial positioning; allow time for the actual bombing of the offending enemy base. Even without having to hit regional strat targets, the base we were trying to relieve had fallen by the time our goon was trying to run in.
While you could argue that we should have pre-emptively wiped out their city and factory complexes, before any specific problem developed, realistically I don't think you could pre-emptively get enough people excited about the target to make the run effective. In real life, most everyone uses strat targets as milk run destinations (or as places to hang out and torch some bombers). Wiping out strat targets deep behind enemy lines, risking 3x kills to fighters with short runs from bases along the way, takes commitment -- and especially time sacrifices -- that very few guys are going to have.
However, just as SlapShot said, most fliers simply don't know the strategic layers that are there. I never realized that wiping out strats had THAT powerful an effect on replacement times. Maybe the first step should be to get the info out of the instructions and in to the hearts and minds of the players.
I still wonder if the strat effect chain is too long to have a practical impact, though.
And HiTech, thanks for your attention to our threads. It means a lot to know you guys care that much.
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Originally posted by DrDea
Gotta keep the furballers happy Morph.They cry the loudest.I dont mind a furball now and then but this just cut the strat part to zip.Took away alot of peoples main goal in the game,right or wrong,its a bad choice IMHO.Should be able to take it down to 50%
Nah, now it's all troops and ord.