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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ra on July 02, 2004, 05:28:10 PM
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"A Swedish court has sentenced a pastor belonging to the Pentecostal movement in Sweden, Ake Green, to a month in prison, under a law against incitement, after he was found guilty of having offended homosexuals in a sermon."
Yup, this guy had it coming, thinking he could express his religious beliefs during a sermon. Next thing you know he'd be blowing up buildings. Nip it in the bud.
our future (http://www.eni.ch/highlights/news.shtml?2004/06)
ra
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Who gives a chit, it's just Sweden. If it happens in the US, then I'll have a problem with it.
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Originally posted by SOB
Who gives a chit, it's just Sweden. If it happens in the US, then I'll have a problem with it.
Some people used to say that about gay marriage.
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So, you're saying that anytime something happens in Sweden, it's automatically going to happen here in the US? Once it happens here, or once a law is written to make that happen here, then it's a problem here. Until then, it's just speculation.
As to gay marriage, I don't have any problem with it, and also don't give a watermelon whether or not Sweden allows it.
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Originally posted by SOB
So, you're saying that anytime something happens in Sweden, it's automatically going to happen here in the US?
(http://www.jmallard.com/images/sbt11.jpg)
The first two are hotter than the second two. I wouldn't want that to happen here.
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for some reason i feel a strange bulge because of the last one.
yeah I'm weird, I already know, and everybody constantly reminds me.
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I heared they have outlawed Bavarian Smokies in Sweden.
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I saw a Tee shirt that said "So many right wing Christians, So few lions". We are light in an era of rapidly approaching darkness. Soon we will be persecuted even here in America. Are you ready my brothers? Our time is coming. There are more martyrs for believeing in Christ now than at any other time in history. I hope I'm up to the challenge.
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Originally posted by storch
I saw a Tee shirt that said "So many right wing Christians, So few lions". We are light in an era of rapidly approaching darkness. Soon we will be persecuted even here in America. Are you ready my brothers? Our time is coming. There are more martyrs for believeing in Christ now than at any other time in history. I hope I'm up to the challenge.
if you honestly mean and believe that i agree. actually it scares the heck out of me.
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Don't worry, the same constitution that protects the groups of people you hate, also protects your right to assemble and practice the religion you choose.
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Originally posted by SOB
Don't worry, the same constitution that protects the groups of people you hate, also protects your right to assemble and practice the religion you choose.
well since you know me so well tell me whom I hate.
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I don't know you and I wasn't talking to you.
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Originally posted by SOB
I don't know you and I wasn't talking to you.
Classic liberal dodge
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Originally posted by storch
well since you know me so well tell me whom I hate.
he was referring to my post. man i hate having to respond to ignored users, the second time today i've had to do it grrrrrrr
SOB, yes that "does" protect me, supposedly. but how long until it is ratified to change that by the psycho-mutant-over-zealous liberals that want to eliminate all mention of religion in the country?
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Originally posted by JB73
he was referring to my post. man i hate having to respond to ignored users, the second time today i've had to do it grrrrrrr...
You didn't HAVE[/I] to do anything, therefore your "grrrrr" crap is simply retarded.
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So....., the 'New Nazi's' have returned to Europe.... You knew they would.....
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Originally posted by storch
Classic liberal dodge
Well, I'm not a liberal, but you're free to believe whatever you'd like about me and who my post was directed at.
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Originally posted by JB73
SOB, yes that "does" protect me, supposedly. but how long until it is ratified to change that by the psycho-mutant-over-zealous liberals that want to eliminate all mention of religion in the country?
The "psycho-mutant-over-zealous liberals" are as much in the minority as the "psycho-mutant-over-zealous conservatives", so I don't think you have much to worry about. The opinion that our public institutions should be free from religion, and the opinion that religions shouldn't be free to practice however they choose CAN be mutually exclusive.
BTW...If you have me on ignore, you can feel free to just ignore me. I promise you won't hurt my feelings and no one will care that you didn't respond to me.
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Originally posted by storch
We are light in an era of rapidly approaching darkness.
I always pictured you all as the guys behind that big shade thingy Mr. Burns put up.
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Originally posted by storch
We are light in an era of rapidly approaching darkness. Soon we will be persecuted even here in America.
Don't worry, homosexuals are also protected by the constitution.
Oops, sorry,I misread your post :rolleyes: :rofl
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Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Don't worry, homosexuals are also protected by the constitution.
Oops, sorry,I misread your post :rolleyes: :rofl
:rofl
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Good to see so tolerant christians in this board; reminds me of some middle-east narrow minded lunatic bigots :)
Oh well; Maybe you should just put your gays in camps and while at it put gipsies and some other minorities like jews and blacks in there too.
What was the reason why first people left England and wanted to create a new life in Northern America?
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Originally posted by Staga
What was the reason why first people left England and wanted to create a new life in Northern America?
So they wouldn't be thrown in jail for what they said in a sermon.
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Originally posted by Staga
What was the reason why first people left England and wanted to create a new life in Northern America?
Money.
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both you are right, along with getting away form the fuedal or monarchy system or whatever. i beileve the fuedal system was alreay gone, but there were remanents of it i beileve. the whole class structure thing.
basically the general oppression of the "king", somone who is not necessirally fit to rule, but does because of who he is.
imagine richard simmone being the only blood line available to "rule" us!!
all i could say is EEEK
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
(http://www.jmallard.com/images/sbt11.jpg)
The first two are hotter than the second two. I wouldn't want that to happen here.
Ahem... You guys are getting off track here.
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Originally posted by ra
So they wouldn't be thrown in jail for what they said in a sermon.
Staga = pwn3d
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So your forefathers left England because they wanted to live in peace and not to suffer because of church's opression and abuse ?
Oh well....
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During a sermon in 2003, Green described homosexuality as "abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumour in the body of society"
What were his goals? Was he trying to rise people against gays or what?
There's no use for bigots like that in modern world; if he wanted to give a inflammatory speech why didn't he do it with his fellow bigots and not in a church while in sermon?
That priest himself, and others like him, are the real tumor in the body of humankind; it was bigots like them who were the reason that 6 million jews + several million other human beings were slaughtered in fourties.
Live and let others live.
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You miss the point. A preacher's sermon can not opress anyone or make anyone suffer. What can opress or make suffer is when the government punishes people for their religious views.
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So for you it's OK if a priests insults gays in his speech while giving a sermon in church ?
What would you say if his next speach would be against divorces; "Whom God Has Brought Together..."
Would it be okay if next time he speaks about handicapped and how they're too big burden for society to take care?
What about blacks? What if his speach would be against immigrants ?
What would you say if local minister in the church you're visiting every sunday keeps a speach where he says that people who has been found quilty for adultery should be stoned to death ?
You may learned already that it's quite popular to justify the hatred and bigotry with words "God's Will".
The God I've read about is tolerant and he also have rooms for everyone; he's also known about his merciful and forgiving behaviour.
Not sure what god was that Swedish priest serving when giving his sermon.
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So what exacly is a difference between
"we should kill all the studmuffins" and "my god tells me we should kill all the studmuffins" ?
As far as I can tell, it is only lack of balls to stand by your own convictions and using God as an excuse.
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Originally posted by Staga
So for you it's OK if a priests insults gays in his speech while giving a sermon in church?
Yes, along with anyone else he chooses to insult. We have this little thing here called the constitution that tells us it's OK to speak our minds, even if it offends someone. Provided he doesn't incite anyone to cause gays harm, of course.
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We could learn a thing or two from Sweden in this regard. Bill Cosby should be locked up for his non pc rhetoric.
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Outside of a church he's free to say what ever he wants but when giving a sermon in church priest should keep his own agenda hidden.
It's not his platform; he's just a guest in that house.
When I kept speaches to our employees I couldn't say some things because they weren't in line with company's policy.
Hopefully that priest learns to do the same.
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Here in the US Staga the state is kept out of the church. Ministers are usually allowed to produce their own sermons and if the congregation doesn't like them they can leave or vote him out of the position.
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So everything is really possible in US; you can even use Churches for spreading hatred and bigotry. Kinda like in Rwanda (http://www.geocities.com/missionalia/rwanda1.htm) where several "good christians" (Bishops, Chaplains, Pastors) are now accused of genocide of 800000 humans.
These "Good Christians" were using also churches for recruiting new participants to fulfill their "mission"; What would be more powerful way to turn one part of people against other than use that age old slogan "God's Will".
Anyways fck that priest; I hope some studmuffin takes care of that priest.
Several times :D
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Staga, I'm just curious... are you gay? Not meaning to offend, just really want to know.
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I guess from now on he should just have the state write his sermon for him, after all ya never know who or what toes you might step on.
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Staga,
If you stay something at your place of work that offends someone, as you used for an example, do the police come to your work and arrest you? Would the court prosecute you? Just for saying something someone else might find offensive?
If so, I am glad I am not living there.
dago
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Originally posted by JimBear
I guess from now on he should just have the state write his sermon for him, after all ya never know who or what toes you might step on.
The priest broke the law he was judged and punished what is the problem ?
If he had drove drunk he would have been punish too.
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Originally posted by straffo
The priest broke the law he was judged and punished what is the problem ?
If he had drove drunk he would have been punish too.
The problem is the law. We may have to add Sweden to our list of countries in need of liberation. Viva la Revolucion! ;)
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Nope Mark, I'm a 100% hetero; It's just not my cup of tea.
Well I was in a restaurant one which was known also as a meeting point of gays thought I didn't know that then; I used my best pickup lines for a very good looking girl in a bar before she told me I was in "gay side" of that bar... and she was one of them.... :D
IMHO if someone is gay it's his own business; I got enough problems myself so caring about other people's sexual habits is wasting of time. If he or she is adult then go ahead; I couldn't care less.
Dago; If I would be spreading hatred, bigotry or racist thoughts as a representative of the company I would get booted faster than I could say "Sieg Heil".
In my previous job I had to use quite hard procedure when a skinhead begun to give speeches in our stockyard.
Guy got two choices; Either take payoff with clean papers or we would give him one with explanation why we couldn't keep guy like that in a company with full of people with different skincolours, religions and backgrounds.
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So Staga you really think state control of religion is a good idea? If religious your beliefs offend people, the government can put you in jail?
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If the same happened to any preacher here in America, it would be hypocritical of any liberal to stand by without protest.
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Originally posted by storch
I saw a Tee shirt that said "So many right wing Christians, So few lions". We are light in an era of rapidly approaching darkness. Soon we will be persecuted even here in America. Are you ready my brothers? Our time is coming. There are more martyrs for believeing in Christ now than at any other time in history. I hope I'm up to the challenge.
Don't worry, Storch, I'm sure you will make excellent lion scat.
curly
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Staga,
You didnt answer my question.
Sure, If I said offensive things at work, I would be booted too.
BUT, what I asked was if you did that
(made any statements someone might find offensive) at your work, would the police come and arrest you, would you be prosecuted for your offensive statements?
Please answer that so I can understand the legal system in your country.
dago
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Originally posted by Staga
So for you it's OK if a priests insults gays in his speech while giving a sermon in church ?
What would you say if his next speach would be against divorces; "Whom God Has Brought Together..."
Would it be okay if next time he speaks about handicapped and how they're too big burden for society to take care?
What about blacks? What if his speach would be against immigrants ?
What would you say if local minister in the church you're visiting every sunday keeps a speach where he says that people who has been found quilty for adultery should be stoned to death ?
You may learned already that it's quite popular to justify the hatred and bigotry with words "God's Will".
The God I've read about is tolerant and he also have rooms for everyone; he's also known about his merciful and forgiving behaviour.
Not sure what god was that Swedish priest serving when giving his sermon.
Staga, I think you are missing the point. In the US, church and state are separate. Therefore, while it's illegal to make discriminating remarks at work in a federal institution, it would be ok in a church.
We do have some "hate crime" laws on the books. Sorry, I don't recall them (content.)
(edit) Here ya go: http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/intro.asp
curly
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What my fellow Americans don't realize is that we are on the way to having the same laws here, with the new definitions of "hate crime"
"Hate Crime" is a broad net, watch out.
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Free speach vs. imaginary "right" not to be offended.
Hmmm, let me think...
Geez people, how can you even consider giving up the former for the latter?
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All this talk of "mind control" reminds me of the movie "1984". Could they possibly have found anyone that looked more repressed than John Hurt?
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wait and see, the Liberals ( who are ALL for personal freedoms :rolleyes: ) will make preaching a message that homosexuality is wrong a hate crime. Mark my words, they will.
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Funked I have a problem with said priest spreading his bigotry in Church while having sermon.
In Church he should be preaching the god's message, the holy words, not his own thoughts about how people should live and who should they love.
In his free time he can do what ever he wants, be it summoning satan or spreading bigotry, but when at work he should behave like a priest and not like an *******.
btw my grandmother was a keeper of a Tsasouna which is an Orthodox prayerhouse or chapel; I have very deep respect for religious people but when someone is using church or religion as a tool to bring forth his own opinion as a official truth then I do have a problem.
Guess that's just me :)
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Originally posted by Dago
Staga,
If you stay something at your place of work that offends someone, as you used for an example, do the police come to your work and arrest you? Would the court prosecute you? Just for saying something someone else might find offensive?
If so, I am glad I am not living there.
dago
Dago if I would offend someone with my talks I wouldn't be arrested or prosecuted.
Thing is that priest was convicted of incitement which is a bit heavier offence than just insulting someone.
What would happen in US if in some church some bigot priest would begun to provocate people against african americans and requests people's support for local KKK-lodge ?
Would your authorities just look from the side ?
I sure hope not.
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Originally posted by AKIron
All this talk of "mind control" reminds me of the movie "1984". Could they possibly have found anyone that looked more repressed than John Hurt?
A very good point. All these speach control laws are just a prelude to a thought control, as those ridiculous "hate crime" laws nicely illustrate.
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Originally posted by Staga
Funked I have a problem with said priest spreading his bigotry in Church while having sermon.
In Church he should be preaching the god's message, the holy words, not his own thoughts about how people should live and who should they love.
well thats your religious view of course, but i believe exactly what that pastor said, and he wasn't saying his "opinion". he was stating what God thinks of homosexuality.
if you dont believe that then maybe find a religion that suits you better.
oh well my dumb though on it again.
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Originally posted by JB73
oh well my dumb though on it again.
Yeah I agree with that sentence :)
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Staga,there is a big differance between tolerant which i am and and approving which im not.Your comment on jews and blacks is way off base not all but most jews feel the same as christians about homosexually as same God said same thing and a recent cnn pole said 85 percent of blacks strongly disapprove of the idea of so called gay marriage and or gay movement.So far as the modern world goes it has killed its tens of millions while the ancient or back ward world as i guess u would call it has killed its tens of thousands.As far as broke the law goes i guess those that helped slaves escape should what be put to death?.Last year a elementry girl in boston was told not to bring her bible to school she did next day,bus driver told princeaple at 9 years old she was arrested and handcuffed,of course great out cry and charges were dropped but this is happening a little more each year.I make a promise to u and others like u,when u do finnally come after me and mine,and u will nothing changes for long i will not stand there and be eaten by your lions i will take at least 2 of u with me to the here after.
demaw1