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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: flyingaround on July 03, 2004, 08:44:37 PM
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who besides me would trade eyecandy for playability in AH? I for one could give a DURN that I can now see bullet holes in my wings, or the trees are all "perty" now. Matters not to me if it's not smooth.
I can't attack gv's anymore. I can't go to furballs anymore. Can't fly near the ground anymore. Heck, I can't even fly over field bases anymore. All of these will stutter/freeze up my screen. (all sliders to performance and in F3 mode) And my system is in the middle. Not even close to the "min" requirments.
Take the eye candy and pitch it in the trash. I JUST WANT a smooth flying experience. SOMEWHERE in the CODE all this "new" implemented stuff is just flat out not working. Together anyway. I am willing to wait (for another week or 2 anyways) but for myself, this is horrible. It's like being addicted to heroin, and only getting methodone. KINDA works to take the edge off, but I really need my flying fix.
Dang, I even considered Warbirds today. WARBIRDS!!! MY GOD! THE HORROR!!!
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The shame about all this is, with a proper engine you can have both:confused:
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In about 5 years, the boys in teens are gonna start getting jobs, pay their own things and get credit cards. Many of us will grow old over years, and slowly but steadily the people who fly AH will change with generation.
These guys, grew up with stuff like Playstation2 and Xbox. You think they'll give a damn about a game that looks aged, no matter how good 'gameplay' is? To those people eyecandy IS a part of gameplay.
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Whatever problems with AH2 HTC will have to solve it over time, or, maybe somethings will not be solved at all.
Maybe they could have done a better, more simple job if they just made AH2 stable on a short range of systems, like FB/AEP which is recommended at P4 2.0Ghz and 1024 ram, 128mb video card to even THINK about running at 'perfect' settings.
But they chose to still let age old systems like Pentium 3s, which is at now at least 3 years behind the tech curve, have a shot at running AH2. In a word, they could have just dumped a lot of us, and made this game state-of-the-art, but did not choose to do so.
As a AH enthusiast, being patient is the LEAST we could do, to let thank what AH experience has brought to us. You think HT and Pyro are at office slacking away when people complain how they can't run things? They're probably more stumped and upset than anyone of us right now.
So cut this whiney crap and sit back and wait. AH2 is 1 month old. HTC is gonna stay this course, and I support it fully.
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FB/AEP which is recommended at P4 2.0Ghz and 1024 ram, 128mb video card to even THINK about running at 'perfect' settings.
Oh no you don't. 'Perfect' setting(s)? Thats just misleading and wrong.
Lose the realistic water maybe, I call BS.
Whatever problems with AH2 HTC will have to solve it over time, or, maybe somethings will not be solved at all.
That's not ever what AH1 was in the context of what AH2 is now.
I have high regards for HTC, but this constant blind faith is really not productive.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
In about 5 years, the boys in teens are gonna start getting jobs, pay their own things and get credit cards. Many of us will grow old over years, and slowly but steadily the people who fly AH will change with generation.
These guys, grew up with stuff like Playstation2 and Xbox. You think they'll give a damn about a game that looks aged, no matter how good 'gameplay' is? To those people eyecandy IS a part of gameplay.
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Whatever problems with AH2 HTC will have to solve it over time, or, maybe somethings will not be solved at all.
Maybe they could have done a better, more simple job if they just made AH2 stable on a short range of systems, like FB/AEP which is recommended at P4 2.0Ghz and 1024 ram, 128mb video card to even THINK about running at 'perfect' settings.
But they chose to still let age old systems like Pentium 3s, which is at now at least 3 years behind the tech curve, have a shot at running AH2. In a word, they could have just dumped a lot of us, and made this game state-of-the-art, but did not choose to do so.
As a AH enthusiast, being patient is the LEAST we could do, to let thank what AH experience has brought to us. You think HT and Pyro are at office slacking away when people complain how they can't run things? They're probably more stumped and upset than anyone of us right now.
So cut this whiney crap and sit back and wait. AH2 is 1 month old. HTC is gonna stay this course, and I support it fully.
Ok Kweassa you can put away your pom-poms now...
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Amen.
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:rolleyes:
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Eye candy? Where?:(
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Eye candy? LOL! What in the hell are you guys looking at?
Buy IL-2FB. Come back, and mute yourselves. Geez.
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Originally posted by MOIL
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Kweassa
So cut this whiney crap and sit back and wait. AH2 is 1 month old. HTC is gonna stay this course, and I support it fully.
Eventually, sure. SOMEDAY it will be all ok. I think you misunderstand the thrust of my post. I don't give a flip about getting 80fps. I would be TOTALLY happy with a smooth 20-30fps. With the product as it is, I can only do ONE very limited aspect of this game. 90% of it is unusable to me. I'm not some Xbox generation kid, and have flown online WW2 sims for say.... (wow, feeling old) 8 or 9 years now. This isn't my 1st rodeo, and doubt it'll be my last. AH2 is not ready. FLAT out. I have at least a dozen squad mates in the same boat, (also guys that have flown for 6-9yrs+) with the same/similar issues, who are also very frustrated with their current flying experience.
AH isn't my buddy. AH isn't some recalcitrant friend who's screwed up and will EVENTUALLY work it all out. It is a hobby (read:addiction) that I have religiously played for many a year. It is also a service which I pay for. You are right, AH2 is one month old, and as such I SHOULD have at lest SOME expectation of playability. I am not being unreasonable here. I'm not upset that I don't get high fps. I'm not mad that the game has changed (change is good). I AM expecting to be able to log in and fly though. And as of now, that isn't an option due to "whatever" is wrong with the program.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
who besides me would trade eyecandy for playability in AH? I for one could give a DURN that I can now see bullet holes in my wings, or the trees are all "perty" now. Matters not to me if it's not smooth.
I can't attack gv's anymore. I can't go to furballs anymore. Can't fly near the ground anymore. Heck, I can't even fly over field bases anymore. All of these will stutter/freeze up my screen. (all sliders to performance and in F3 mode) And my system is in the middle. Not even close to the "min" requirments.
Take the eye candy and pitch it in the trash. I JUST WANT a smooth flying experience. SOMEWHERE in the CODE all this "new" implemented stuff is just flat out not working. Together anyway. I am willing to wait (for another week or 2 anyways) but for myself, this is horrible. It's like being addicted to heroin, and only getting methodone. KINDA works to take the edge off, but I really need my flying fix. Dang, I even considered Warbirds today. WARBIRDS!!! MY GOD! THE HORROR!!!
Flyingaround , I would ! "In a hart beat , renew my sub to AH 1 . !
IMHO , if my 2 cents would have counted, I would have asked for HTC to set up AH2 AS THE TOUR OF DUTY on one server and continue to run AH1 as the it was.
Then all the people that want or like the Roll Playing , Sunglare, flat spins, No Icons, No Amo countrers, personal skins, short fuel loads, prop pitch, Bonsal trees , trim tabs, the by-guess and by-God gun sights and targeting, etc. etc. . The new strange flight modeling can continue towards "their concepts or impressions" of what a flight simulator in a roll playing( fantasy ) enviroment should be .
The other could have still been playing the "Classic AcesHigh 1 game that was "as good as it gets " , that was the most popular flight sim, in mass arena online gaming . Their was a good reason AH 1, was/is so successfull,
Easy Install
Easy learning curve
Great community
HTC inc. , Pyro, , HT,etc. etc. ...*****(the whole HTC Crew !!!)
Fester and the CT crew that gave the community great Maps !
Skuzzy ! An extraordinary man, that has always been their for the community, helping players on a one-one- basis , that never quits or runs in the middle of a problem and sees the job thru every time .
Mitsu Sound Pack for AH 1, big + added .....
Im sure that there is going to be alot of socalled self appointed WWII Flight Sim Experts , jumping on my butt for agreeing with Flyingaround's posted comments, posting all kinds of negative statemants ( some that will be as long as reading The Dead Sea Scrolls ) about AcesHigh 1 sux, etc. ect , Blah, Blah , Blah ......
Here is one more for all you critics ..... to shoot for .....
AcesHIgh 1 was / is most important of all " FUN "
day in day out FUN !!!
As for me going to WarBirds ? NFW ....... Their is the "prime time example of eyecandy" , looks great, Playability?, Fun ?, Company player support ?, ....No Thanks !
Regards ..........
CHECKERS
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Kweassa, I happen to be one of those you are discussing that doesnt give a damn about gameplay.
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE would play this game if all they wanted was graphics. I run my game on low settings even though I dont have to. I just want to be able to dogfight.
Ive played Air Warrior I, II, and III. I still bust out Wolfenstein on a weekly basis and get my fill of killing nazis. Hell, I even play pacman all the time.
And by the way, I hold a job, I pay for Aces High, I bought every component for this computer, and I also built it myself. Im sorry, but your remarks are uncalled for, and you have made the false assumption that my generation has lost sight of what makes anything good.
You might want to think twice before you generalize "those people".
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Amen, Revrend
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all u people who prefer AH over AHII need to step up and smell the technology...thers no way AH could be better than AHII..unless u r stuck on playing arcade games:)
BANTOKIL
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How about we just find out why some people are having problems and fix that?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122690
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Originally posted by Antonio
all u people who prefer AH over AHII need to step up and smell the technology...thers no way AH could be better than AHII..unless u r stuck on playing arcade games:)
Ummm.....Where to begin......
What differentiates arcade from tactical gaming is not graphics, it is gameplay. That general term includes play balance (so it's challenging but not impossible), serious attempt to model realism, and the necessity of making choices that have impact on play. For example, Quake, having power ups and frenetic action but little strategic goals or consequences, is a very good action/arcade type game.
AH 1 bears no simularity to an arcade game, in any way, shape or form.
Technologic advancement in games requires an engine, on which eventual game design is constructed. Skuzzy et.al. needed to design an engine which gives a sound and effective basis for future expansion. This is a small company which has limited resources, so expecting them to have both server and bandwith support for two products simultaneously is unreasonable and unrealistic.
AH2 is not finished, and whether you want to call it ready or not depends on your grasp on the competing demands inherent in the situation. The transition HAD to be made, and the timing involved judgement calls -- that included business and financial considerations we frankly have no idea about. Skuzzy and HTC have supported it as best they can, with dedication even to the point of taking time that they probably don't have to answer emails from nobodies like me. I'm no cheerleader, but --- people, be reasonable, and don't compare this situation to the release of a boxed product. The situations have VERY little in common.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
In about 5 years, the boys in teens are gonna start getting jobs, pay their own things and get credit cards. Many of us will grow old over years, and slowly but steadily the people who fly AH will change with generation.
These guys, grew up with stuff like Playstation2 and Xbox. You think they'll give a damn about a game that looks aged, no matter how good 'gameplay' is? To those people eyecandy IS a part of gameplay.
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Whatever problems with AH2 HTC will have to solve it over time, or, maybe somethings will not be solved at all.
Maybe they could have done a better, more simple job if they just made AH2 stable on a short range of systems, like FB/AEP which is recommended at P4 2.0Ghz and 1024 ram, 128mb video card to even THINK about running at 'perfect' settings.
But they chose to still let age old systems like Pentium 3s, which is at now at least 3 years behind the tech curve, have a shot at running AH2. In a word, they could have just dumped a lot of us, and made this game state-of-the-art, but did not choose to do so.
As a AH enthusiast, being patient is the LEAST we could do, to let thank what AH experience has brought to us. You think HT and Pyro are at office slacking away when people complain how they can't run things? They're probably more stumped and upset than anyone of us right now.
So cut this whiney crap and sit back and wait. AH2 is 1 month old. HTC is gonna stay this course, and I support it fully.
Originally posted by DipStick
Ok Kweassa you can put away your pom-poms now...
Rahh rahh ree..kick em in the knee..rahh rahh raz...kick em in the ____ never mind :D
I understand the frustrations of the guys having Performance problems. I am one of them!! LOL
Yes it will eventually get resolved.
No the whining wont stop.
Its all a part of the process. Always has been...Always will be.
Love it or hate it..thats the way it will be. HTC should understand this better than anyone else. Theres nothing wrong with a costumer telling the merchant the he/she feels like they been ripped off. The BBS is the cheapest way to convey the message. Its not likely that someone feeling ripped off is going to spen additional money for a phone call when they can do it here for free. The next logical step is account cancellation. Some will end it...some will not
:)
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Originally posted by Pyro
How about we just find out why some people are having problems and fix that?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122690
OMG Again? Time to start Copyn and Pastn.. cause i sure as helll am not going to retype the same info that i have disclosed in multiple threads in these Message Board, on these issues! :mad: Shees...dont yous guys take notes? :D :P...I know...It must be a pain with so many customers. Im sure yous guys will find it in time. gl
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"...This is a small company which has limited resources, so expecting them to have both server and bandwith support for two products simultaneously is unreasonable and unrealistic."
I have seen this many times in posts...I have to ask, is that the case? How did they run AH and AHII Beta for so long?
I can run AHII as it is now with no problems at all. Had a blast in AH since Jan. of this year. Love AHII as well...but really, they can't run both is this true?
If both were up - I would play both...AH would die naturally as everyone upgrades their computers and population of AH "upgrades" to AHII.
What are the extra bandwidth and server expences? It appears they have the servers...bandwidth, wouldn't it be about the same?
I don't know...techies enlighten me
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If both were up - I would play both...AH would die naturally as everyone upgrades their computers and population of AH "upgrades" to AHII.
It doesn't happen that way.
What you see in online games, is people who get used to the first series stick to it for such a long time, that it deters the advance of the next series. It ultimately harms the business.
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Kweassa, I happen to be one of those you are discussing that doesnt give a damn about gameplay.
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE would play this game if all they wanted was graphics. I run my game on low settings even though I dont have to. I just want to be able to dogfight.
Ive played Air Warrior I, II, and III. I still bust out Wolfenstein on a weekly basis and get my fill of killing nazis. Hell, I even play pacman all the time.
You're one of the old guys if you've been around to play AWDos or Castle Wolfenstein.
What I'm talking about is the kids, still in schools, with their first flight sim experience being something like IL2/FB or MS FS2004. People like us, remember the days of 'Chuck Yeager's Aircombat' or 'Aces of Pacific'.
The current customers of AH are adults, who lived through 70s and 80s. We're getting older, and soon the people who grw up in the late 90s and still growing up at the new millenium, are gonna become potential customers in the next five years.
And by the way, I hold a job, I pay for Aces High, I bought every component for this computer, and I also built it myself. Im sorry, but your remarks are uncalled for, and you have made the false assumption that my generation has lost sight of what makes anything good.
Where did I ever say you've lost sight of what makes anything good?
All I said was that preferences greatly differ between generations. To most of us playing AH currently, we like it better than IL2/FB or so because we like the game itself and how it is played out.
To the younger generation who have been baptitized and bombarded with visual technologies since birth, graphics is essentially part of the gameplay. No matter how fun it is, they not gonna be interested in it if there's another contendor with better graphics available. It's how the gaming world goes. The gaming world to the PC industry, is what the military is to science - there is a constant rush to keep up with the tech curve, and this tendency grows by the day, as more and more powerful systems become cheaper and cheaper.
We're becoming ancient, dudes.
You might want to think twice before you generalize "those people".
You might want to read more carefully between the lines, before you generalize my intent.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
. . The next logical step is account cancellation. Some will end it...some will not
:) [/B]
QUIT ALREADY...................... ............................. ...
In almost all your post in the last few weeks your whining waaaaaaa waaa waaaa I Cant Have my squad pork fuel no more waaa. I cant play AH2 waaaa.. I might have to cancle my act waaaaa.. That move was ok but here is what was wrong with it waaaa...fixit waaaaa OMG are you a women? You sure as hell sound like one...
I guess you think the more whines the faster it will get fixed Holy crap Quit Already make some of us if not all of us Happy... And Get a Job for gods sake Stop ya Whine`s waaaaa waaaa
Hey whos that Mugz guy?
hes the whiner on the BB waaaa Fix it make it better for me waaaaaaaa
Buy a New Puter DAMIT or STHU
Waaaaaaa waaaaa waaa
:mad:
hey I hear another squad left Bish because of your whines
Waaaa waaa
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Originally posted by Antonio
all u people who prefer AH over AHII need to step up and smell the technology...thers no way AH could be better than AHII..unless u r stuck on playing arcade games:)
And what technology are you referring to Antonio?
Just curious, wanted to make sure were talking about the same game.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
who besides me would trade eyecandy for playability in AH? I for one could give a DURN that I can now see bullet holes in my wings, or the trees are all "perty" now. Matters not to me if it's not smooth.
I can't attack gv's anymore. I can't go to furballs anymore. Can't fly near the ground anymore. Heck, I can't even fly over field bases anymore. All of these will stutter/freeze up my screen. (all sliders to performance and in F3 mode) And my system is in the middle. Not even close to the "min" requirments.
Take the eye candy and pitch it in the trash. I JUST WANT a smooth flying experience. SOMEWHERE in the CODE all this "new" implemented stuff is just flat out not working. Together anyway. I am willing to wait (for another week or 2 anyways) but for myself, this is horrible. It's like being addicted to heroin, and only getting methodone. KINDA works to take the edge off, but I really need my flying fix.
Dang, I even considered Warbirds today. WARBIRDS!!! MY GOD! THE HORROR!!!
Can I trade my wife for Sharapova? Now THAT is Eye candy.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Marlboro
QUIT ALREADY...................... ............................. ...
No. :P
Originally posted by Marlboro
In almost all your post in the last few weeks your whining waaaaaaa waaa waaaa I Cant Have my squad pork fuel no more waaa. I cant play AH2 waaaa.. I might have to cancle my act .
Look around, more than 60% of all Threads start as whine in one form or another.
Originally posted by Marlboro
waaaaa.. That move was ok but here is what was wrong with it waaaa...fixit waaaaa
The movie was very cool. I said i liked it. But the moviemaker as i said is interested in HTC taking a look at it. It is obvious that he might hope that HTC would consider using it for something special. Like Advertisement or something of that nature. Yes i thought there might be a few things he might consider in making movies that could be used to appeal to a larger audience. (Prospective AH2 Subscribers come from all walks of life. And very in age range from prolly 10 years old to 70 years old.)
Originally posted by Marlboro
OMG are you a women? You sure as hell sound like one...
Not the last time i looked.
Originally posted by Marlboro
I guess you think the more whines the faster it will get fixed Holy crap Quit Already make some of us if not all of us Happy... And Get a Job for gods sake Stop ya Whine`s waaaaa waaaa
whines per se. will never get anything done faster. It actually depends on who does the whining. But what a great place to be heard. Got you to respond.
Originally posted by Marlboro
Buy a New Puter DAMIT or STHU
Waaaaaaa waaaaa waaa
:mad:
Dont be mad. It makes your face red.
Originally posted by Marlboro
hey I hear another squad left Bish because of your whines
Waaaa waaa
Well now.. That’s the funniest thing i ever heard. :rofl
Doesn’t say much for that squad’s commitment to the game or HTC does it. BTW...Im not inclined to believe you on this matter. We want names here. I will personally apologize to the Squad and their CO and promise not to make them read the BBS anymore. Because we know they didn’t read it in the MA...As i rarely complain about such things in the MA. Not NEVER...just very rarely. While i whine. My subscription is being paid every month.
And now you whine is noted. Good Job. You too will be a quality whiner on AH BBS if you keep practicing.
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
You too will be a quality whiner on AH BBS if you keep practicing.
I dunno, mugz. To reach professional level whining, the guy would at least have to get readers to be able to FOLLOW the ridiculous logic. This guy's gotta work on his syntax and grammar to really be a contender.:lol
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Can I trade my wife for Sharapova? Now THAT is Eye candy.
Karaya
Eye Candy yes, but illegal eye candy for you! She's 17!
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Originally posted by Jasta
Eye Candy yes, but illegal eye candy for you! She's 17!
I'll be MORE THAN glad to abstain until she is 18.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Antonio
all u people who prefer AH over AHII need to step up and smell the technology...thers no way AH could be better than AHII..unless u r stuck on playing arcade games:)
CHECKERS turns around and asks the captain of the boat " Hey do you have anything else , besides these cans of High Techonology Stink Bait to fish with ? " Nope answers the captain , Why ? .... CHECKERS yells back "This stinky crap isn't working , Weve been Trollin'and fishin'with this stinky crap all day, an all weve caught is a few lousy Squid !! " .............................
:D CHECKERS
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:eek: :rofl :lol
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Originally posted by Pyro
How about we just find out why some people are having problems and fix that?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122690
The words of sanity. HERE HERE and I don't even play the game.
Just waiting to see how all this turns out before re-inlisting.
[patiently sits back and read the boards.]
I'm sure in a few months It will all fall together, and if it doesn't theres all way FB AEP to take away the pain.
[killing AI is a bore] [ must endure ] [stead fast ol'e chum]
[sigh] :(
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Originally posted by Creamo
Eye candy? LOL! What in the hell are you guys looking at?
Buy IL-2FB. Come back, and mute yourselves. Geez.
lol...
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I was told that I should be able see eyecandy. Lute if you got the money just spend 630 and get the computer that I am getting.Specs below.
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Jet doesnt that ati card require an extra power connection? if so you might wanna get a 500 watt power supply
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I am not sure I was thinking that I would upgrade my power supply to 420, But if I guess I will get 500w.
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well I recall reading some other folks having some probs and when they upgraded to 500w it corrected them.
I'm no expert but if it was me i would go with 500w if for nothing else future upgrade ability
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Jet, where you getting your stuff from? are you building it yourself?
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I am getting my stuff from newegg. And yes I am building it. If you want i can send you the list off all the stuff I am getting.
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Originally posted by jetb123
I am not sure I was thinking that I would upgrade my power supply to 420, But if I guess I will get 500w.
Dropped closet to $40,000 so far for a MESSY divorce that has now extended to it's 2nd year. $10,000 of which i JUST had to come up with last month for a so called "expert witness". I'm a weeeee bit tapped out. After all that crud is finished, i'm gonna' treat myself to a new system. I'm thinking in the $1200ish range build it yourself type with all the goodies.
Sad part about my divorce is this my SECOND one with the same psycho crazy chick. (the things I do for my kids) My own fault for taking the fat slob back.
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Gl to you lute hope to see you in ah2.
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i wan it all an i wan it now an i wan it free
i don no wat i wan but i wil no it wen i see it
dis sur is fun an i lyk wen u fly slo so i ken kil u
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Originally posted by Halo
i wan it all an i wan it now an i wan it free
i don no wat i wan but i wil no it wen i see it
dis sur is fun an i lyk wen u fly slo so i ken kil u
y u wana b lyk dat halo. dat jus ain coo man. y u gota go dissin da dood lyk dat shee man shee.
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The u and dissing are generic. I share the pain. Actually, I'm in fairly good shape so far with AH II. Usually when a major change in a game comes out it requires a new computer for me.
First hint, of all places, was a surfing DVD movie with a bonus computer DVD that ran like crap until I saw the fine print that it needed at least a 3 gHz machine!
My XP Home P4 2.26 gHz is barely two years old which is when many systems start creaking with the latest games. I'm enjoying IL-2/FB/AEP too except after a round or two my puter starts panting and the frames slow to slide show speed.
I once wrote an eloquent plea to retain an earlier version of some game (probably Air Warrior) so we wouldn't have to buy new machines. I think they did keep the old version for awhile, but it soon died for lack of interest.
So far AH II is great for me except overall frame rates want to settle around 20s and 30s instead of 40s and 50s (bare sky still reaches 70s). I'd like to never have to buy another computer, but that is only slightly less likely than never having to buy another car.