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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: irritant on July 03, 2004, 09:50:10 PM
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How many of you have actually seen the movie?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Moore. I'm just curious, seeing as a lot of you have very pronounced opinions of the new movie.
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Zzzzz
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i don't want to see the movie , i want to see all the stuff moore edited out.
is the "movie" considered a political ad under mccain-feinstien?
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MOORE NO MORE!
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Moore or less.
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Less Moore is more.
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I hate all of you.
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Not only did I see it I downloaded it. Moore himself thinks the copyright laws in this country are totally outdated and wouldnt mind somone downloading his movie as long as they arent selling it or trying to make a profit on it......only he can do that.
as far as the movie I thaught it was flawed w/ incomplete conclusions and half truths. If it at all made Bush look good it was edited out. If it could be skewed or slanted it was.....all in all good entertainment.....
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It's not out in Yurop yet, but yes, I will go see it.
PS: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa.........
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Took my Dog to see the Moore movie....not pleased
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/612_1088944199_img_0004edit.jpg)
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I saw this once, it seems to be appropriate.
" Here lies Lester Moore. Shot 4 times with a 44. No less, no Moore".
Definately not interested in spending any amount of money to support that individual's activities.
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I was getting satalite radio put in my car and had to kill a couple of hours. The local 16 theatre cinaplex was two blocks away but the only movies that started at 1100 were 911 and dodgeball.
dodgeball wasn't as bad as I though it would be.
oh... some middle aged guy asked me which theatre 911 was in.. I told him I didn't know and didn't care. He said that he had been waiting a long time to see it based on all the adds. I told him he probly should see it then based on that but that I wouldn't pay to see any sleazy mm movie. He actually looked betrayed (we were about the same age).
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I told him I didn't know and didn't care.
you could have said: look for the longest line up or, listen to the theatre that has the most people laughing and cheering:aok
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I know people that totally aggree with moores alligations that will not see the movie cause they hate him so much. They came out of Bowling for Columbine feeling dirty. Guys that get in huge fights with thier wives cause they refuse to see it and the wives want to.
Friends of mine went to it and the guy came out convinced of the story line but disgusted with moore for the crying momma scenes.
That is the kind of guy that moore is. He is his own worst enemy..But the Farenhight is better then columbine. Mostly cause he lets Bush tell the story.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
you could have said: look for the longest line up or, listen to the theatre that has the most people laughing and cheering:aok
Why?You'd rather have him see Spider-man 2?
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Originally posted by Sox62
Why?You'd rather have him see Spider-man 2?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Sox62
Why?You'd rather have him see Spider-man 2?
in a previous thread I linked to national stats of ticket sales...f9/11 had 48%, while as good as Spiderman 2 may be, it only had 9%. It is common for people to cheer f9/11 at the end apparently...the theatre in which I viewed it we gave the film a "standing O". That is the only time I have ever seen a standing O at a movie.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
in a previous thread I linked to national stats of ticket sales...f9/11 had 48%, while as good as Spiderman 2 may be, it only had 9%.
LOL
Spider-man 2 has already made more than F9/11 will ever hope to.
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-07-03&p=.htm
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
is the only time I have ever seen a standing O at a movie.
I saw a standing ovation at a movie once in the early 80's.
The flick was FlashDance. (shudder. almost gouged out my eyes)
If it were not for the girl I was trying to score with, I would have walked out of that one.
Just because a bunch of morons stood up and clapped does not necesarily denote a good movie.
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Originally posted by Sox62
LOL
Spider-man 2 has already made more than F9/11 will ever hope to.
http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2004-07-03&p=.htm
ROFL Garfield the Movie has made more money that F911.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
ROFL Garfield the Movie has made more money that F911.
how do you figure?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
how do you figure?
$63,552,000 in total sales so far for Garfield the Movie.
$60,091,000 in total sales so far for F911.
Oh I don't know. Basic math I guess.
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So...bottom line is that the anti_Moore's haven't seen the movie and have no desire to do so. Fair enough.
Makes any comments they make on the film baseless though.
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I see the figures you are using...
lets see: f9/11 has made almost the same amount of money as Garfield in half the time (13 days of veiwing compared with garfields 25 days)with a 'R' rating and only in 875 theatres (until this weekend)
Let's check at the end of the week for hard statistics shall we?:aok
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being critical of any particular administration is one thing. Moore hates america and he despises americans. Moore can go **** himself.
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I never liked Moore.
I rank him as #4:
#1 Connery
#2 Dalton
#3 Brosnan
#4 Moore
#5 Lazenby
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Dalton ranks #2?! You are a sick man.
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I liked Dalton... he looked like he could take a punch. The plots to his films were a little darker than most but when he was fighting or hanging off a cliff with some blood on his shirt, I could believe it better than Brosnan.
Brosnan does a better casino scene though, he can pull off the sophisticate playing baccarat better than Dalton, it's pretty close.
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Originally posted by Yeager
being critical of any particular administration is one thing. Moore hates america and he despises americans. Moore can go **** himself.
No,he just hates people like you.:D
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Just saw it.
You know, Bush may not be the brightest bulb out there, but nobody is as stupid as the American citizen, in the eyes of Michael Moore.
Never have I seen a more shameful example of audience-targeted propeganda. This guy does for Liberal Bush Haters what Howard Stern does for porn addicts--only the porn addicts know that they're being entertained and might actually be conscious of the fact that the world doesn't necessarily revolve around their addiction. For the audience that this movie was made, they get exactly that they need when they buy the ticket--affirmation of their 2 dimensional political views, spurred on by emotional moments with families of killed servicepeople juxtaposed with out-of-context commentary by anyone willing to make a accusation, no matter what their qualification(the two ladies in the retirement home were my favorite. Never before were there two people with their middle and index fingers in tighter contact with the pulse of reality).
At the very end of the movie, Moore comments on the inherent folly of a hierarchical society. How it lives only to maintain the status quo, marginalizing the poor while securing the futures for the rich... Here's a question:
How much of the profits from this flick are going to the families he spent so much time filming as they cried for their children killed in the war?
On a side note. I also watched Bowling for Columbine today on TV. Very interesting parallel between some of the things he said about Clinton's actions in Kosovo and Bush's actions in The Middle East. The exact quote was 'The president bombed another country whose name we cannot pronounce'... Which president was he talking about? Easy... The one in the White House. In which movie did the quote appear? Easier... The One Michael Moore produced.
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Capt. Pork is there anything in the movie you thought was 'well done'? Was there any part of this movie that made you laugh?
What was the general response of the audience as a whole?
Was it a full house?
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I'm seein it tomorrow!..Hehe!!
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Capt. Pork is there anything in the movie you thought was 'well done'? Was there any part of this movie that made you laugh?
What was the general response of the audience as a whole?
Was it a full house?
Yes, I do think it was well done. The movie was a beautiful piece of propaganda. I laughed at the part where the Marine recruiters were making their rounds, acting like pimps looking for new Hos to add to their harems.
It wasn't a full house. About half full, but it was a 9:30-11:30 show, so it was sort of late. Many people applauded and even more people laughed at every joke made at Ws expense. I laughed at a few of them myself.
I also laughed at how he implicated Bush in conspiring with the Tobacco industries by allowing butane lighters on airliners.
As I've said before, Moore may well collapse under his own weight now that he's a success. What was once a champion of antiestablishmentism has now become that establishment. His credability with the people of this country will hopefully no longer be assured based solely on his contrived inability to dress and shave.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I'm seein it tomorrow!..Hehe!!
to the Cumberland theatre? *that's where I saw it too
if you go to the cumberland terrace, check out the cars parked in front and along side of Sassafrazz (at the corner) You will likely see several kinds of ferarri's, lambourghini's, bentley's, porsche's...you can imagine what the ladies look like?:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
So...bottom line is that the anti_Moore's haven't seen the movie and have no desire to do so. Fair enough.
Makes any comments they make on the film baseless though.
Having seen his first piece of crap "documentary" I think I am perfectly capable of commenting on this sure piece of crap "documentary." I wouldn't give a single dime of my money to scum like him. In fact, I probably wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire.
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xtoronto... the cheering and full houses are at canadian theatres... here they are at best half full . One guy I know seen it and said it was "OK" and asked me if all that stuff was true... I said... no. It is very easy to find a full theatre of America haters in canada I would guess... envy makes em boisterous too. What did the ticket cost in canadian money? couple hundred? Did you get the $40 soda to go with that?
I will see the movie sometime.. I will see it for free tho or rent it when it is bargin basement. I seen bowling and roger and felt dirty both times. they made me angry because I knew he was lying. I don't care how well it is done if the guy is trying to manipulate me. It is really painful to watch one of his movies... Like reading some rabid liberal. I feel that there is very little value in it too... he is not saying anything that is important.
For bowling... I felt he should have went to a big hollywood party and caught people sniffing coke or taking x and shoved the camera in their face and asked them how they could support all the gangs and killings with their drug habits.
For 911 he should be giving the money to the noble poor. Hell... he has been rich all his life. He would have never gotten anywhere if he weren't.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is very easy to find a full theatre of America haters in canada I would guess... envy makes em boisterous too. What did the ticket cost in canadian money? couple hundred? Did you get the $40 soda to go with that?
my ticket to F9/11 cost me: $6.79+$1.16(tax)=$7.95
(didn't have a soda at the theatre, but went for Iced Cappacino afterwards ~$3.00)
... I don't care how well it is done if the guy is trying to manipulate me.
People for a multitude of reasons try to manipulate others; they want us to buy something, or subscribe to something; they want you to think a certain way or make you feel guilty for not supporting their cause...this always has no impact on me.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
my ticket to F9/11 cost me: $6.79+$1.16(tax)=$7.95
(didn't have a soda at the theatre, but went for Iced Cappacino afterwards ~$3.00)
ARE YOU SERIOUS? I lose a $20 when I take my girlfriend to the movies.... And that's without concessions.
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Originally posted by sling322
Having seen his first piece of crap "documentary" I think I am perfectly capable of commenting on this sure piece of crap "documentary." I wouldn't give a single dime of my money to scum like him. In fact, I probably wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire.
As you have seen it you have every right to comment on it negatively. I was referring to those who were bashing him and who have NOT seen it.
I haven't seen it either, so I ain't bashing or praising.
Did you d/l the movie or something? If you saw it in a theatre then you have already contributed cash to him.
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Originally posted by sling322
Having seen his first piece of crap "documentary" I think I am perfectly capable of commenting on this sure piece of crap "documentary." I wouldn't give a single dime of my money to scum like him. In fact, I probably wouldn't even piss on him if he was on fire.
The guy makes movies you don't like, and you don't agree with his politics, so you'd let him burn to death if you saw him on fire? That's nice.
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I'm sure Sling was just expressing that he did not want to add insult to injury.
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LOL, he is indeed a very kind and thoughtful person. :D
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Being a canuck, I can take it all in stride - impartial and unbiased. He's not my president, and I actually loved Bush prior to seeing the movie.
Having served with the UN and lived in central Iraq pre DesertStorm, I knew Saddam had to go. He was a bastard, even to us Canadian troops. Played games. Annoyed us. Took away our arms. Was glad when DesertStorm came by. Volunteered to go and help ouster him. Was disappointed we stopped two days too early. Darn UN.
Then I was glad last year when the US was pushing to get rid of him. Believed in the Weapons of Mass Destruction propaganda but more on the side to get rid of him because he's a terrible dictactor (witnessed it first hand).
Moores film is a documentary. It is a point of view. It's very one sided. I do however, agree with the movie facts yet disagree with several tactics Michael used.
That being said, the Bush admin should of let the UN remove Saddam. Bush has too many interested in oil and this film is only brining in home that it's possible that he had a hidden agenda with this war. Knowing his ties to the Saudi government, he should of known better than to do what he did - letting the bin-Ladden family out first on the 13th of September. Baaaad Bush. Have them leave a couple of days later with everyone else. Should of sent in his special forces to hunt Bin Laden two days after they arrived in Afganistan, not two months.
Let's face it. Politics always play roles in governments. But Bush should of been more careful to his ties and friends not to let himself get caught like this.
All in all, this film makes Bush look bad. Actually, it might end his political career sooner than in four more years. Too bad. I liked the guy.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
I saw a standing ovation at a movie once in the early 80's.
The flick was FlashDance. (shudder. almost gouged out my eyes)
OMFG
You should have killed them all before they had a chance to breed.
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Originally posted by Curval
As you have seen it you have every right to comment on it negatively. I was referring to those who were bashing him and who have NOT seen it.
I haven't seen it either, so I ain't bashing or praising.
Did you d/l the movie or something? If you saw it in a theatre then you have already contributed cash to him.
My son saw it and told me about it. Does second hand knowledge give me the right to a little bashing? How about if I say I heard he was a lying scumbag that manipulates only the weak minded?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Does second hand knowledge give me the right to a little bashing?
NO!;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
My son saw it and told me about it. Does second hand knowledge give me the right to a little bashing? How about if I say I heard he was a lying scumbag that manipulates only the weak minded?
Well gee...we have already heard that from sling. Can we all assume that his opinion jibes with ours?
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his other two movies were rife with missleading and out of contect "interviews" and babadgering and out and out lies. Everything I have read about this one points out that it is exactly like the other two. this would seem to be a logical thing. I have heard no one say that this movie was different... even his biggest fans claim that it is "in the tradition" of his other lying scumbag films.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have heard no one say that this movie was different...
"Please allow me to introduce myself..."
:)
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are you saying that his style is completely different in this movie? or... are you saying that "sure, he was a proven liar in his other films but this one he is a new man and tells the truth"?
lazs
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Originally posted by irritant
How many of you have actually seen the movie?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Moore. I'm just curious, seeing as a lot of you have very pronounced opinions of the new movie.
I will not give him one nickle of my money. Therefore, I will not see it.
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Originally posted by Curval
As you have seen it you have every right to comment on it negatively. I was referring to those who were bashing him and who have NOT seen it.
I haven't seen it either, so I ain't bashing or praising.
Did you d/l the movie or something? If you saw it in a theatre then you have already contributed cash to him.
No...I borrowed "Bowling for Columbine" from someone stupid enough to support the waste of cells known as Michael Moore. It definitely wasnt a documentary....and based on that piece of tripe, I won't be giving him any money for seeing his latest mockery of a documentary.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
That being said, the Bush admin should of let the UN remove Saddam.
:rolleyes: Yeah....they were doing such a great job of that for the last 12 years since the first gulf war.
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Originally posted by lazs2
are you saying that his style is completely different in this movie? or... are you saying that "sure, he was a proven liar in his other films but this one he is a new man and tells the truth"?
lazs
M Moore has a very distinctive style of movie making that is entact. As you know, I have seen F9/11 and there was nothing in that movie that I didn't already know.
I would be hard pressed to find something in the movie that was not factual. Many/most of the things were taped from broadcasts from Fox, NBC, CNN etc..., and used as the reference. Indisputable.
The movie itself was entertaining and it made me laugh out loud in many scenes throughout. That's what I wanted; That's what this movie delivered.
I will go on the record now and say that I have every expectation that this will win an Oscar. That's how good I think this movie is.
I think M Moore believes in himself. That's why many sources call this a truly patriotic film. "WHAT'S MORE AMERICAN THAN ASKING QUESTIONS?"
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what was your opinion of "bowling" then xtor? it got an oscar. "the arming of america" got the most prestigious book awards ever handed out. Maybe you should get that book.
lazs
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Bowling for Columbine was my first exposure to M Moore. I had mentioned to friends that I wanted to see the flick and was invited over for the day to have dinner and watch the movie which was playing on Pay-TV.
I enjoyed BFC. I was never bored at any point. M Moore asks a question in the movie about why the high number of firearm murders in the US, relative to other nations. It's a valid question.
Moore is a member of NRA and doesn't appear to have a problem with people owning guns. As you remember, he mentioned Canada has ~30M people and ~10M registered guns (and countless unregistered guns too) but not the same rate of firearm murder. The comparison was something like:
Annual handgun murders per country:
Germany: 360
Canada: 156
UK: 130
Japan: 39
US: 12,000
(these numbers, from memory, may not be exact but close enough for comparison)
One thing I will add is that changing gun laws in the US I doubt will change much except make it harder for the 'regular' honest guy to get a gun. It is the criminal element that is causing the problem. I know where to buy a gun here in TO (and Detroit) on the black market, so changing the gun laws here would make no difference either.
Here in TO the vast majority of hand gun crime involves the black community. Why this is so, is another question to which I don't have an understanding.
What I like most about M Moore's movies is he makes me think. He asks some good questions.
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the actual white homicide rate in the U.S. is allmost exactly the same as canada but moore didn't mention that did he? There are at least 20 flat out lies in bowling... moore never mentioned drugs one time as a cause. The figures moore gave were all wrong.
you may have enjoyed the movie but what it said was wrong and what it didn't say was what made it even more dishonest.
I think most people will take a "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you" attitude about moore films from now on... I know I have but then...
some people learn very slowly or... because they want something to be true... are unable to let go.
I think you will enjoy "the arming of America".. I don't want to spoil it for you and tell you that all the awards have been recinded because the research was fraudulent.... that would spoil it for you and you obvioulsy don't care about that anyway.
lazs