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Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 08:16:44 AM
We had lunch yesterday with some friends and we were discussing who to vote for.

Some people were leaning towards President Bush and others were leaning towards Sen. Kerry.

One girl had been married for some time to Ramon Milian Rodriguez.  Milian Rodriguez was an acquaintance of mine who is serving a 43 year sentence.  Milian Rodriguez was the Chief Accountant responsible for laundering drug profits for then Panamanian Dictator Manuel Noriega and the Colombian drug cartels.

While I condemn his actions and feel that he is paying the price he needs to pay, the following story struck me as interesting.

In 1986 (when he was already in trouble with the Federal gov't.) Milian Rodriguez was offered a plea bargain deal by Sen. Kerry in exchange for his co-operation testimony before Sen. Kerry's commitee.  I did a google on his name and what his ex wife says seems to be verifiable.  Milian Rodriguez did indeed testify, his testimony was used by Sen. Kerry's commision against President Reagan and Oliver North during the Iran-Contra hearings.  His testimony was also the impetus for the invasion of Panama.

According to Milian Rodriguez' ex wife upon the completion of his testimony Sen. Kerry abandoned Milian Rodriguez and would not honor his commitments.  She denounces Mr. Kerry to be a liar and a man totally without honor.




http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/gunsdrugscia.html
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 08:37:23 AM
ha ha sucker
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 08:40:20 AM
actually the guy may have been suckered by clutch pedal face but he is no sap at all.  he is brilliant.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Sixpence on July 04, 2004, 11:09:10 AM
If we tricked OBL the same way, would it be bad? Shoot, i'de pat Bush on the back.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:23:21 AM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
If we tricked OBL the same way, would it be bad? Shoot, i'de pat Bush on the back.


Just curious is this statement meant to defend Kerry's actions?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Sixpence on July 04, 2004, 12:33:51 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Just curious is this statement meant to defend Kerry's actions?


Well, if Bush went back on his word to capture OBL, I wouldn't hold it against him.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 12:54:47 PM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Well, if Bush went back on his word to capture OBL, I wouldn't hold it against him.


How did Kerry capture anybody by breaking his commitment to a man who had allready given him all the information?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 01:11:06 PM
Grun: the Chief Accountant responsible for laundering drug profits for then Panamanian Dictator Manuel Noriega and the Colombian drug cartels.

Don't even try and pretend like you'd still be shedding tears over this guy if it involved anyone else but Kerry.

Why do you even bother?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: NUKE on July 04, 2004, 01:12:55 PM
The main point is that Kerry is disgrace. :)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 01:14:45 PM
Someone could post a picture of a peice of bread and the point would be that Kerry is a disgrace. Believe me Nuke, I know. :)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 04, 2004, 01:18:21 PM
(http://www.einfo-net.com/sourdough/pics/bread-05.jpg)
Kerry is a disgrace.

Hey! you're right, Nash.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: NUKE on July 04, 2004, 01:30:09 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Someone could post a picture of a peice of bread and the point would be that Kerry is a disgrace. Believe me Nuke, I know. :)


I'm just amazed that some people actually think Kerry would make a good President. What do people see in Kerry? what does Kerry offer America?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 01:54:28 PM
hehe Holden.

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Originally posted by NUKE
I'm just amazed that some people actually think Kerry would make a good President.


I do, sure.

What do people see in Kerry?

Leadership.

What does Kerry offer America?

Vision.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 01:57:27 PM
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Originally posted by Nash


Don't even try and pretend like you'd still be shedding tears over this guy if it involved anyone else but Kerry.

Why do you even bother?


It has nothing to do with this accountant guy - he had no control over the fact that Kerry broke his deal commitment after the guy spilled the beans.


And you know that.

So yea, why do you bother?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Sandman on July 04, 2004, 01:57:28 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
hehe Holden.

 

I do, sure.

What do people see in Kerry?

Leadership.

What does Kerry offer America?

Vision.


A three digit IQ?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: straffo on July 04, 2004, 02:14:30 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
The main point is that Kerry is disgrace. :)


sure ... free the poor Milian Rodriguez
and send give Kerry the 43 year jail :D
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Thrawn on July 04, 2004, 02:15:16 PM
So a freaking con says Kerry is a disgrace...

I can't even fathom the weakness of this.  It is beyond sad, it's even beyond uber-sad.  

The only thing sadder in the history of time is NUKE trying to argue somehow this issue has any worth what-so-ever.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 02:16:20 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
A three digit IQ?


20 years from now you'll be saying the same things about President Bush that you guys have said about President Reagan.  It's about time you guys grew up and voted accordingly.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 02:18:00 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
So a freaking con says Kerry is a disgrace...

I can't even fathom the weakness of this.  It is beyond sad, it's even beyond uber-sad.  

The only thing sadder in the history of time is NUKE trying to argue somehow this issue has any worth what-so-ever.


Are you illiterate?  read the transcripts if you are able to.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 02:18:09 PM
no storch. NO! ha ha ha ha ha :lol
Title: Re: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Montezuma on July 04, 2004, 02:19:49 PM
He should have got a better lawyer, like Ollie did.
Title: Re: Re: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 02:27:22 PM
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Originally posted by Montezuma
He should have got a better lawyer, like Ollie did.


Boy are you brilliant!!! then it would be perjury.  either before the Senate sub commitee or at the trail.  What he should have done is told that worthless Kerry to go pack sand.  He is now a cautionary tale.  We should all be thinking about wether we want a guy who honors nothing including his word to be our leader.  It's not about partisan politics for me, it's about personal ethics.  I could tell you that if Bob Graham were running he'd get my vote over President Bush.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: midnight Target on July 04, 2004, 04:06:56 PM
Just for yucks lets pretend Kerry did offer this guy a deal. And just for yucks lets pretend that Kerry delivered somehow.

I wonder how many of you Neoclowns would be posting about Kerry being soft on drug crime?




McFly! hello McFly!
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 04:31:25 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just for yucks lets pretend Kerry did offer this guy a deal. And just for yucks lets ptretend that Kerry delivered somehow.

I wonder how many of you Neoclowns would be posting about Kerry being soft on drug crime?

But he didn't.  he just used people and lied as is his nature.  besides you again miss the point.  his intent wasn't to prevent or even mitigate crime.  his intent was to score points against President Reagan and his administration pure and simple.  The man is a consumate liberal politician, that is to say useless to all but his cause and his cause is himself.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 05:01:58 PM
I love how in a few short months people go from knowing and caring nothing about a guy, to becoming passionate experts on his character, history and patriotism, and the assasination of all the above.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 05:45:06 PM
I love how in a few short months people go from knowing and caring nothing about a guy, to becoming passionate experts on his character, history and patriotism, and the promotion of all the above.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 04, 2004, 05:52:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
I love how in a few short months people go from knowing and caring nothing about a guy, to becoming passionate experts on his character, history and patriotism, and the assasination of all the above.


works both ways Nash...

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What do people see in Kerry?

Leadership.

What does Kerry offer America?

Vision.  


So far all I get from the DNC is, "He ain't Bush".
With that strong a platform he should be running neck and neck with about 250 million other candidates.  

In the primaries, the defacto slogan was, "He can beat Bush"

So far the question of the election is coming up to be "Who do you dislike less?"
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 06:21:48 PM
Well, I don't see a lot of people going batsh*t over Kerry here. You see anything like that? I sure don't.

But of platforms...

During the Bush candidacy and eventual win, the bar got lowered so far it's pokin' up through Guiyang. It's basically made the word "qualified" meaningless. "He ain't Bush" aint much, but it sure as hell beats "He is Bush".
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Thrawn on July 04, 2004, 06:30:53 PM
Please...I beg you, in the name of all that is holy, let's just pretend this retarded thread never happened.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 06:43:22 PM
I can't believe you don't think this thread is totally like completely relevant Thrawn.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 04, 2004, 06:56:26 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Well, I don't see a lot of people going batsh*t over Kerry here.


I still have yet to hear any concrete proposals from Kerry's side that would make me think he would be any better.  All I hear are nebulous things like "We should work more with our allies" --- Work with them to do what?  "I will create jobs" --- How?  "I can speak French so I can talk to the Euros."---  His Iraq proposal is to stay the course.  I really don't see the change for the better in any concrete way.

I am certainly not going to vote just on Guns or Roe v Wade.

So it's just going to be a referendum on Bush.  If Kerry wins he will have a clear mandate to not be Bush. -wow- Not necessarily the best foundation on which to build a great presidency.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 07:15:32 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I still have yet to hear any concrete proposals from Kerry's side that would make me think he would be any better.  


Maybe you haven't. But what difference does that really make?

Take for example, well, Bush... :)

In his campaign it was "Fuzzy Math", "No Nation Building", "Compassionate Conservative" and last but not least "Uniter and not Divider."

Okay?

Now, maybe these sounded like concrete proposals to you at the time, but I really don't see it. So I guess we have to look elswehere in evaluating a candidate.

All I hear are nebulous things like "We should work more with our allies" --- Work with them to do what?  "I will create jobs" --- How?  "I can speak French so I can talk to the Euros."---  His Iraq proposal is to stay the course.  I really don't see the change for the better in any concrete way.

Overall... how is this any different than what any other candidate in history has said? You expect these guys to suddenly whip out a peice of chalk and start drawing?

Did he really say "I can speak French so I can talk to the Euros"? No. "Stay the course in Iraq"? Sure, which is a good thing, right? It's also good that Bush comes closer and closer each day to approaching the Iraq situation in the way that Kerry has been calling for since day one. But nooo.... Bush aint a flipper floooper, and Kerry is being vague.

So it's just going to be a referendum on Bush.  If Kerry wins he will have a clear mandate to not be Bush. -wow- Not necessarily the best foundation on which to build a great presidency.

Yeppers, a referendum on Bush. As far as a mandate not to be Bush, cool. That is MASSIVE territory. You could get lost in it.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Sixpence on July 04, 2004, 07:17:36 PM
Hmmmm, screwed a guy who had a hand in the deaths of police officers and federal agents. I'll have to think about this one, hmmm. Drugs rampant in our cities, hmmmmm. All those ruined lives, hmmmmmm.

WTFG Kerry!!!
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 07:30:51 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Well, I don't see a lot of people going batsh*t over Kerry here. You see anything like that? I sure don't.


To quote "Mr Wulf" from Pulp Fiction in the "Garage Scene".  "Well gentlemen, let's not start sucking each other's d^&k's quite yet."

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 07:34:25 PM
Good scene. What's it mean?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 07:36:28 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
Good scene. What's it mean?


Moral of my quote in reference to this thread is simple, give it time.

Karaya

PS - Great scene
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 07:42:52 PM
Well I'm gonna be first in line. Kerry is a good, decent, experienced and intelligent  man.

Now suck my d!ck. :D
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 07:45:37 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Now suck my d!ck. :D


Liberals would talk like that.  Clinton might as well have done it, he probably did with the Ogre's he cheated on Hillar with.  

Happily married but my Husky is neutered, being an "it" he might (No guarantees onthe teeth though) :).  

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 07:47:47 PM
whoah dude YOU said it! But of course Clinton is to blame somehow. :)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 04, 2004, 08:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeppers, a referendum on Bush. As far as a mandate not to be Bush, cool. That is MASSIVE territory. You could get lost in it.


Tony Blair is not Bush, he is in that territory.

What I am asking for is some indication of change of policy, not just different DNA.  The choice has yet to be outlined.

The poles show that the populace doesn't have a handle on Kerry.  

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 polling report.com[i/] "Looking ahead to November's presidential election, do you feel George W. Bush deserves to be reelected, or do you feel he does not deserve to be reelected?" 45% Yes, 50% No

"If the election for president were held today, and George W. Bush were running as the Republican candidate and John Kerry were running as the Democratic candidate, for whom would you vote?" 47% Bush, 47% Kerry 6% fence sitters.  Nader gives Bush a 1% lead.


According to that Bush polls 2% of the people that think he doesn't deserve to keep his job, and Kerry Loses 3% of those folks.

With all the negatives Bush is carrying, the Kerry campaign has done a poor job defining their candidate.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 08:21:09 PM
That's typical at this point.

On Wednesday Kerry gets a 5-10 point bounce and then another 5-10 after the convention. He's not even officially the nominee yet.

Yeah, you're exactly right in that Kerry has not been "defined" yet. As far as the general populace is concerned, he is barely known.

Notice the millions spent by the repubs trying to define Kerry? Notice the lack of a campaign Kerry has actually run thus far?

It's amazing he is where he is. And he aint even out of the gate yet.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 08:26:10 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
That's typical at this point.

On Wednesday Kerry gets a 5-10 point bounce and then another 5-10 after the convention. He's not even officially the nominee yet.

Yeah, you're exactly right in that Kerry has not been "defined" yet. As far as the general populace is concerned, he is barely known.

Notice the millions spent by the repubs trying to define Kerry? Notice the lack of a campaign Kerry has actually run thus far?

It's amazing he is where he is. And he aint even out of the gate yet.


True.  Good post. <>

Karaya
Title: Re: Re: Re: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Montezuma on July 04, 2004, 09:05:16 PM
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Originally posted by storch
Boy are you brilliant!!!


Smart enough to get a lawyer who knows what 'immunity' means, and smart enough to avoid commiting new felonies.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 09:28:40 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The poles show that the populace doesn't have a handle on Kerry.


I read a 1-2 hours of news/day and their is very little about Kerry in our papers. I don't know anything about the guy except his wife is wealthy. Doesn't seem to have much of a 'spark' or personality.
I seen a guy giving a speech who is expected to be Kerry's running mate...I can't remember his name; Do you know who I mean? He's younger than Kerry and a very good speaker. It was only a quick clip; I didn't even get a chance to listen to what he was saying.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 09:31:27 PM
Edwards.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 09:38:14 PM
Btw... If Kerry picks that guy it's a done deal. Locked up.

Otoh, Edwards has only been elected to public office once. This last time. To Congress. Not much there in terms of a track record.

I don't think it matters much though. If Edwards is the running-mate it is over.

If it's Vilsack... gosh.... I'm not feeling it. But I don't really know him either so who knows.

If it's Gephardt I'll be highly dissapointed.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 09:48:25 PM
Edwards must be the guy I saw on the news.

One of the best speakers I have seen in a long while. People in the audience were yelling out that he would be the next Vice President!

As I say, we are not getting alot of coverage of Kerry. Maybe I have missed it or overlooked it? I dunno. Is there a date that the running mate must be announced?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 09:52:26 PM
You can do it right at the convention. But it will be this Wednesday.

Aye about Edwards...

Kerry will of course make Bush look like a three year old at the debates. Edwards would make Cheney look like a corpse.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Notice the lack of a campaign Kerry has actually run thus far?



You see you live in Canada.

Here in the USA (where the election is)  I have seen about an equal number of TV ads from both campaigns and see news about both candidates campaign appearences and events regularly. Additionally I have gotten mailings begging for $$$ or support from both candidates.

So please, as somebody living in another country keep in mind that you really dont  get a great  picture about this election..
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:12:10 PM
I know way more about this than you comrade... Beg to differ? Pick out one single itty bitty point and educate me. Otherwise STFU NOOB.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 10:13:44 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You see you live in Canada.



NASH lives in Canada? (I thought you were NYC moved to Tx for some reason...)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:14:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
I know way more about this than you comrade... Beg to differ? Pick out one single itty bitty point and educate me. Otherwise STFU NOOB.


You're just upset we dont give our colonies the right to vote..
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 10:16:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You're just upset we dont give our colonies the right to vote..


We have Colonies?

hmmm.  

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:18:35 PM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
We have Colonies?

hmmm.  

Karaya


What do you think all that stuff between here and Alaska is?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:19:20 PM
haha ha ha haha roflalala Idiot.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 10:20:27 PM
good one grun:lol
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 10:20:42 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What do you think all that stuff between here and Alaska is?


Louisiana Purchase and West?  or you mean Canada?  I guess I'm trying to figure out what here is.

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:22:33 PM
Hey Nash as you apparently have nothing better to do with your life than obess over the politics of another country and since you have demonstared such an eagrness to prove this knowledge why dont you write us all a 1000 word essay explaining why Kerry hasnt been campaigining much yet.

How much time do you need?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:23:34 PM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Louisiana Purchase and West?  or you mean Canada?  I guess I'm trying to figure out what here is.

Karaya


Canada of course. ;)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:26:33 PM
Hey grun!

How old are you?

Is this your first election?

Exactly what makes you think you know what you're talking about?

Yer gonna have to write that essay your own damn self and it's prolly gonna take you 20 years to get it right.

Meantime... STFU NOOB>
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 10:28:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey grun!

How old are you?

Is this your first election?

Exactly what makes you think you know what you're talking about?

Yer gonna have to write that essay your own damn self and it's prolly gonna take you 20 years to get it right.

Meantime... STFU NOOB>


NASH: Don't hold back...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:29:59 PM
You think I should play rough? :)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 10:34:22 PM
None of this banter changes the facts that Kerry is a weasel, that he deals with weasels and that he does not ever keep his word.  EVAR.

VOR, how am I doing?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:36:53 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey grun!

How old are you?

Is this your first election?

Exactly what makes you think you know what you're talking about?

Yer gonna have to write that essay your own damn self and it's prolly gonna take you 20 years to get it right.

Meantime... STFU NOOB>


:rofl

C'mon Nash dont just be abusive with ur wisdom, be creative...

Educate us all..

A 1,000 word essay should be nothing for a political genious of your caliber...


And maybe if youre good little subject we will let you vote for Kerry one day...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:37:32 PM
okay Storch read back what you just said in a screaching little girl voice... eh? yeah? see?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 10:37:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nash
You think I should play rough? :)


beat 'em with your hockey stick if need be:cool:
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: VOR on July 04, 2004, 10:39:27 PM
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Originally posted by storch
None of this banter changes the facts that Kerry is a weasel, that he deals with weasels and that he does not ever keep his word.  EVAR.

VOR, how am I doing?


I thought you told me to quit scaring the fish? Man, make up your mind already.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:41:21 PM
Wtf Grun?

Last week some guy was asking me to do pretty much the same thing about F9/11. Ridiculous.

Like... Okay, I will write you an 1000 word essay YOU TOOL.

You read what I wrote here. Got an issue? Say so. But unlike you, I've been out of school for a while and I'm afraid I'd have to charge you money if you want an essay out of me.

NOOB
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 10:46:38 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Wtf Grun?

Last week some guy was asking me to do pretty much the same thing about F9/11. Ridiculous.

Like... Okay, I will write you an 1000 word essay YOU TOOL.

You read what I wrote here. Got an issue? Say so. But unlike you, I've been out of school for a while and I'm afraid I'd have to charge you money if you want an essay out of me.

NOOB


Were all just awed at your amazing intellect, we want, we need more.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Silat on July 04, 2004, 10:46:50 PM
I fail to see how Kerry has the power to offer or guarantee immunity.
Find something more concrete.

 something like:
He said he was against nation building or he said there were WMD's in Iraq. And because he believed and supported Bush and boys when they told the congress it was true doesnt count.

Or maybe he put our troops in harms way and increased terrorism world wide.

How about we judge these guys on the facts and not innuendo and people magazine.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 10:51:31 PM
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Originally posted by VOR
I thought you told me to quit scaring the fish? Man, make up your mind already.


While I was sipping some wine and munching on cheese and grapes listening to the Lady outline some very good reasons for her dislike of Kerry while never once condoning her husband's actions kinda set up the thread for me.  Apparantly she never knew just exactly what kind of CPA he was.

It's not like it was a real out and out troll. still I'm amazed.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 10:52:32 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Were all just awed at your amazing intellect, we want, we need more.


See what happens Grun?... You wander into a thread all dumbarse-like... And you spout some complete BS... And then you always wind up saying "Ooooh you're so cool" and then you leave.

You're retarded man.

The best you ever contribute is some sarcastic "BOOSH IS SATAN"... and that's like... what?

You can do much better I am sure. THINK dude... then express it. It's not about attack/defend. THINK then EXPRESS.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 10:56:16 PM
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Originally posted by storch
I was sipping some wine and munching on cheese and grapes


male strippers & Broadway ShowTunes too?;)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: AKIron on July 04, 2004, 10:57:21 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Just for yucks lets pretend Kerry did offer this guy a deal. And just for yucks lets pretend that Kerry delivered somehow.

I wonder how many of you Neoclowns would be posting about Kerry being soft on drug crime?




McFly! hello McFly!


Neoclowns? Don't make me use the "L" word on you loonylefties.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 10:58:21 PM
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Originally posted by storch
None of this banter changes the facts that Kerry is a weasel, that he deals with weasels and that he does not ever keep his word.  EVAR.

VOR, how am I doing?


Reps and Dems are both weasels.  


GRUN, you crack me up sometimes! <>

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 10:59:37 PM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
beat 'em with your hockey stick if need be:cool:


Been along time since Lord Stanley has been North of the Border.  Kind of like that Itch that won't stop.  :)

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 11:00:51 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
See what happens Grun?... You wander into a thread all dumbarse-like... And you spout some complete BS... And then you always wind up saying "Ooooh you're so cool" and then you leave.

You're retarded man.

The best you ever contribute is some sarcastic "BOOSH IS SATAN"... and that's like... what?

You can do much better I am sure. THINK dude... then express it. It's not about attack/defend. THINK then EXPRESS.



Nash are you really Canadian?  If so why do you spend so much time obsessing over what goes on in the land of the giants?  Concern yourself with your own country's lilliputian dilemas already.  I was almost sure you were from New York or Massachusetts eh.  And while you're at it why does 90% of your population live right on our border?  Give us some space you nosey Canuks.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 11:01:48 PM
screeeech.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:03:55 PM
Utter BS nash..

You came in here spewing some nonsense uninformed opininos of yours about Kerry not even really campaiging yet, how would you know?

Do you think just reading stuff on the net or watching TV gives you any idea of whats going on?

Do you have any clue how many TV commericals there are here? How much direct mail is being sent? Or all the capaign appearces? Its all very apparent here in the USA and both candidates are highly visible. Will there be more activity as we get closer o november? Of course.  But its obvious to me that you have no real comprehension of how big this campaign is here allready and how much is going on right now.

Its just stupid what you said.

And no amount of "I know everthing about politics stfu NOOB!" posts are going to change the stupidity of that ignorant statment.

You live in Canada, no matter how well informed you think you are, you will simply not get a full picture of all the election avtivity going on here.

And yes stfu NOOB blahh bleh bleh whatever...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 11:04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Been along time since Lord Stanley has been North of the Border.  Kind of like that Itch that won't stop.  :)

Karaya


the way the Leaf org is run don't expect to see it in TO any time soon either...

Not even in the distant future where TO would have a team like your Wings!
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 11:05:09 PM
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Originally posted by storch
Nash are you really Canadian?  If so why do you spend so much time obsessing over what goes on in the land of the giants?  Concern yourself with your own country's lilliputian dilemas already.  I was almost sure you were from New York or Massachusetts eh.  And while you're at it why does 90% of your population live right on our border?  Give us some space you nosey Canuks.


Group hug?

Karaya

PS - It's Canucks, and yes, even though I live in Detroit, I despise the Dead Wings and root for the Vancouver club, took the wife to the GM Place on our Honeymoon.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 11:06:33 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Utter BS nash..


whatever NOOB.

If Kerry picks that guy it's a done deal. Locked up.

Otoh, Edwards has only been elected to public office once. This last time. To Congress. Not much there in terms of a track record.

I don't think it matters much though. If Edwards is the running-mate it is over.

If it's Vilsack... gosh.... I'm not feeling it. But I don't really know him either so who knows.

If it's Gephardt I'll be highly dissapointed.

You can do it right at the convention. But it will be this Wednesday.

Aye about Edwards...

Kerry will of course make Bush look like a three year old at the debates. Edwards would make Cheney look like a corpse.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 11:06:50 PM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
the way the Leaf org is run don't expect to see it in TO any time soon either...

Not even in the distant future where TO would have a team like your Wings!


<> the Dead Things.  I think they suck.  I have a laundry list of idjits from around here that whine about the Yankees "buying rings", keep trying Ken Holland, your fans are hypocrites.

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 04, 2004, 11:10:25 PM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
male strippers & Broadway ShowTunes too?;)


Actually sitting outside and listening to smooth Jazz on a sattelite station enjoying a nice view of the lake.  It was chamber of commerce weather in the early afternoon.  Male strippers? why put your prefrential form of entertainment into my thread?

All in all a delightful afternoon.  These are mainly my wife's friends and while they get together regularly it's seldom that it's not our home so I had no puter to run to.  I had a surprisingly nice time listenening to the girls.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:12:15 PM
Another weak retreat for Nash....

You've put in a poor showing today, what gives?

Is the fourth of July and all that good old American cheer putting a dent in your karma?

No worries tommorow is just another regular day...

Now get writing, the paper is due tommorow...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 11:12:20 PM
btw masherbrum: you can't live very far from my relations...they're on Buckingham (Schoolcraft & Inkster)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 11:14:26 PM
Gee, what's this Grun your 4th-5th post now without saying anything but instead trying to attack me?

Wanna go 7-8th?

Why don't you actually say something?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 11:14:42 PM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
btw masherbrum: you can't live very far from my relations...they're on Buckingham (Schoolcraft & Inkster)


Wife and i live near Plymouth, btw Inkster and Beech.

I tell you what, you find yourself near there anytime.  Email me Dolinski@sbcglobal.net.  We'll knock back a few at Stables.

<>

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: xrtoronto on July 04, 2004, 11:18:50 PM
Thanks masherbrum! cheers!

Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:19:15 PM
Why waste the time to write anything constructive to you?  You always respond with insults...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 04, 2004, 11:20:15 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why waste the time to write anything constructive to you?  You always respond with insults...


ROTFLMFAO!

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 11:22:38 PM
FU I do not!

:)


No seriously... There were no insults before you arrived. People just saying stuff. You came in and made it about me. Screw you. You got something to say, some opinion, go ahead and say it. Continue to try and goof on me and... yer an idiot.

So forget this.. Lets put it behind us. What's on yer mind Grun? What do you have to say wrt this thread?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:38:17 PM
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Originally posted by Nash


 There were no insults before you arrived. People just saying stuff. You came in and made it about me. Screw you. You got something to say, some opinion, go ahead and say it. Continue to try and goof on me and... yer an idiot.

 


Absolutely untrue. Look over the posts from the begging of the thread.

Your very first response to me was a very uncstructive, agressive and not at all open to dialoge.

Later when I challenged your assertions about Kerry not campaiging you immediately went into smart arse mode bizzarely claiming some  sort of special political expertize..

So at the risk of inviting yet another one of your oh so witty comebacks I gotta say you started with the agressiveness and the personal attacks...

Its silly how you whine about it now...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 04, 2004, 11:38:35 PM
Here is a picture of a puppy.

(http://www.netwert.com/photos/charley/charley-puppy-supercute.jpg)
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 04, 2004, 11:40:03 PM
Cute puppy Nash.. (really put the little dog back up)

Maybe we can ask him to back up your statements about Kerry not really campaiging...
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 05, 2004, 12:15:55 AM
I could throw that dog 40 yards, QUICK! Run a Post-pattern!

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Thrawn on July 05, 2004, 06:28:06 AM
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Originally posted by storch
Nash are you really Canadian?  If so why do you spend so much time obsessing over what goes on in the land of the giants?


I guess that Canadian politics and Canadians discussing Canadian politics is boring for one.

I participated in such a discussion on another bbs.  Everyone discussed all aspects of the election that just pasts relatively calmly with little or no insults.  No one was "married" to any political party and we discussed the issues.

 
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Concern yourself with your own country's lilliputian dilemas already.


Indeed, I think that our country's screw ups being relatively small in comparison is a sign of success, not failure of our system.  Cripes we took away majority governorship whose operated the government in the black for 9 years and were actually paying off our explicate debt, because they got caught handing out pork.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 05, 2004, 07:46:20 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I guess that Canadian politics and Canadians discussing Canadian politics is boring for one.

I participated in such a discussion on another bbs.  Everyone discussed all aspects of the election that just pasts relatively calmly with little or no insults.  No one was "married" to any political party and we discussed the issues.

 
 

Indeed, I think that our country's screw ups being relatively small in comparison is a sign of success, not failure of our system.  Cripes we took away majority governorship whose operated the government in the black for 9 years and were actually paying off our explicate debt, because they got caught handing out pork.


This is the only BB I mess around in.  When ever political discussions occur in RL around here they get lively but not offensive.  Given the nature of my community they are international political discussions.  Frankly I find the amount of non American interest in our political machination interesting.  It's like a eunuch attending the Columbus Day Regatta.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Thrawn on July 05, 2004, 08:26:27 AM
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Originally posted by storch
Frankly I find the amount of non American interest in our political machination interesting.


I think part of it is that you guys have fixed election dates, where here (and in other countries) we don't.  You guys have what basically amounts to a years worth of campaign politics going on.  Where up here we about a month and halfs worth (for the most part).


"And while you're at it why does 90% of your population live right on our border?"  

Access to oceans.  St-Lawrence Seaway/Great Lakes/Straight of Juan De Fuca.  The US happens to border them on the southern side.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 05, 2004, 08:34:25 AM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
"And while you're at it why does 90% of your population live right on our border?"  

Access to oceans.  St-Lawrence Seaway/Great Lakes/Straight of Juan De Fuca.  The US happens to border them on the southern side.


I knew that, it was intended as humor.  Like our next door neighbor who has a large bay window and is always straining and peering to see what we do here while never stepping into their yard during the daytime.
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 05, 2004, 09:11:56 AM
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Originally posted by storch
I knew that, it was intended as humor.  Like our next door neighbor who has a large bay window and is always straining and peering to see what we do here while never stepping into their yard during the daytime.


Just because you prance around nekked Storch!  :D

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2004, 09:40:45 AM
we can end this...

the canadian socialists hate Bush and want kerry to win... fortunately... they can't vote (well... they can but only in canadian elections which are meaningless)

but you can... don't vote with the rabid liberal canadians...Don't vote for kerry... even if your women and canadians tell you to.

lazs
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 05, 2004, 09:48:53 AM
Don't listen to him!!!
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 05, 2004, 09:51:16 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
Don't listen to him!!!


Why not?
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2004, 09:52:06 AM
even if nash threatens to withold sex... don't vote for kerry... say you will and then go to the polls and vote for Bush like a man.

lazs
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Masherbrum on July 05, 2004, 09:53:16 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
even if nash threatens to withold sex... don't vote for kerry... say you will and then go to the polls and vote for Bush like a man.

lazs


That is Sig material! :rofl

Karaya
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: Nash on July 05, 2004, 09:56:35 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why not?


lol
Title: A friend's opinion of Sen. Kerry
Post by: storch on July 05, 2004, 10:01:57 AM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
That is Sig material! :rofl

Karaya


sure is