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Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 11:52:30 AM
looking at K/D someone with a K/D of 3.0 is for example 3rd placed with that ratio while my KD is 11,5 i'm placed 11th on that


Strange

not that i care really much u never see me in the top 10

for that u have to game the game and i do suk in gv's anyhow .

Tried i tiger got shot with 1 shot from somebody at 3.0- 5.0 miles out ill never learn that.

for the gv war u just need to be very lame
(spawn camp and stuff)

anyway the score works only for potatos.
Title: crap score system
Post by: Shane on July 05, 2004, 11:56:19 AM
cheer up... all you need to do to get your "props" is to be a little more aggressive in that 38 of yours.
Title: crap score system
Post by: hitech on July 05, 2004, 11:58:54 AM
The rank of each catagory is only updated once a day.


HiTech
Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 12:02:27 PM
try me shane fonda
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Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 12:29:21 PM
Bug, as you obviously know the ranks are determined by how well you do in each category, but fighter rank itself is determined by how you rank in each area (kills per death, kills per sortie, kills per hour, gunnery, and score). K/D you seem to be doing well with. Your K/S is coming along nicely. Your K/H need improvement. Your gunnery is fair. Your points could be improved upon.

Kills per hour can be helped along by not climbing so high, and not attacking a lone con in a remote sector (not saying you are).

In gunnery, show a little more patience (hard, I know).

Your points can be improved by killing more buffs (particularly goons, I believe).

Add up the result of each area and the total is compared to other pilot's total for rank in that category.

There is one misperception that I can try to clear up very quickly. The furball mentality does not always result in high fighter scores.
Title: crap score system
Post by: eskimo2 on July 05, 2004, 12:35:23 PM
BUG

I just checked your stats.
The score computer is impressed with how many kills you get for each time you die.
It’s not impressed, however, with how much time you spend climbing and running and accordingly has ranked you as a sissy in kills per time.

eskimo
Title: crap score system
Post by: Arlo on July 05, 2004, 12:41:17 PM
Translation: Vulch more you dolt! :lol
Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 01:00:53 PM
again i flew alone over hordes of rooks who can depend on their buds

99 of my time there is none else who helps
and u can't run from all in a p38

call it sissy almost 1 kill in 10 minutes compared in rl .. well

could get more on vulchin i guess

its just says nothing

there is none that survives 20 kills an hour in the middle of a furball

be realistic

to score u have to study the system and game on that

i play my own "tarding" gaming
Title: crap score system
Post by: Shane on July 05, 2004, 01:13:21 PM
since this is obviously about wanting recognition for your supposed mad skillz...

what i said earlier... and what eskimo said

and i have tried you.  thoroughly unimpressed with the way i got you off your bnz perch and whacked you.

:D
Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 02:13:41 PM
It's not about living, unless you can live AND get lots of kills fast with a preference for stopping ordinance in buffs from getting past you. You don't have to furball, either. The best route to go is probably ignoring rank. Play the game your way, get a firm handle on the plane of your choice, and gradually make things tougher on yourself. Sure you'll die (it's nothing you're not doing now), but you'll learn, too.
Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 02:21:34 PM
shane when i shot ur p40 in a 110c i wasn't impressed to

u only win in super planes like the n1k2 and la7
i wacked u in ma in ur 109 also
wack wack

u don't impress me either


that opportunity u mention u where in a nik also and u burned ur plane in that HO moment U where just lucky to get ur kill earlier

come on  fonda
Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 02:25:41 PM
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It's not about living, unless you can live AND get lots of kills fast with a preference for stopping ordinance in buffs from getting past you. You don't have to furball, either. The best route to go is probably ignoring rank. Play the game your way, get a firm handle on the plane of your choice, and gradually make things tougher on yourself. Sure you'll die (it's nothing you're not doing now), but you'll learn, too.


p38 since 1.03

i really don't care about score only K/D concerns me

With my 2 kids here i don't have time to exploit the score system because of my limited time.


i have a life :)
Title: crap score system
Post by: Urchin on July 05, 2004, 02:58:03 PM
As far as I know the number of points scored has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of plane you kill, or what kind of plane you kill in.  

I know you get "bonus points" for landing, so if you want to increase your points total either A.  spend more time flying (which leads to more points from more kills) or B. Land all your kills.


Actually the scoring system is as balanced as I think it possible.  It works kind of like the government, with each category cancelling out the other categories.  

For example, someone who fights a lot will have a higher K/T, but lower K/D.  

Someone who flies very cautiously may rack up an incredible K/D, but their K/T will suffer accordingly.

K/S can be an indicator of how "busy" the area you tend to fly in is, although there can be a backlash because often you'll be flying without support in an area with 50 cons.  Nobodies K/S is going to be high then, because the lone plane will either not engage at all, or get one guy and get swamped.  The horde obviously won't score many kills, since the entire goal of the horde is to avoid fighting.

Accuracy will come with time in the new version, my accuracy has plummeted.
Title: crap score system
Post by: Shane on July 05, 2004, 03:14:10 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
that opportunity u mention u where in a nik also and u burned ur plane in that HO moment U where just lucky to get ur kill earlier
come on  fonda


it was in an la7 not a niki, wasn't a HO, either. still your bnz style is merely run of the mill.  which is why you're relatively  "unknown".  snicker.


:aok
Title: crap score system
Post by: MOIL on July 05, 2004, 03:14:31 PM
I said it before & I'll say it again & again.
If you play a game with emphasis on numbers, points, rank, perks, ratio's, kills perks, bonus points and the like,  you will always have a game as such.  Period!


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Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 03:24:40 PM
In my experience bombers give much more POINTS than fighters do. The type of fighter plane you fly is considered only when calculating PERKS. I have heard it said that damage points are what is being calculated, and on that scale buffs require many more hits to destroy, than any fighter.
Title: crap score system
Post by: mojo55 on July 05, 2004, 03:50:16 PM
Just get a shades account like all the other score keepers and stay busy killing yourself.........

:cool:        :cool:         :cool:
Title: crap score system
Post by: mechanic on July 05, 2004, 04:00:56 PM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
In my experience bombers give much more POINTS than fighters do. The type of fighter plane you fly is considered only when calculating PERKS. I have heard it said that damage points are what is being calculated, and on that scale buffs require many more hits to destroy, than any fighter.


if this scoring system is true, then it would benifit those who spray at falling a/c and those who are less acurate and use more ammo to kill a plane.

ie: someone who can down a buff in a few shots to the cockpit or wing attachment will score less than someone who spends half their ammo putting holes all over the buff without sinking it quickly.

just a thought......

batfink
Title: crap score system
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 05, 2004, 04:04:44 PM
lol shane better than the dork u are
u can only think in the ego tripping way like u always do fool.

:rolleyes: :aok
Title: crap score system
Post by: WilldCrd on July 05, 2004, 04:04:48 PM
Hey Bat, you get your rig fixed up yet to play AH2?
Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 04:35:31 PM
I don't think so bat. Misses count against you in the gunnery department. Yes, guys that steal kills will get points. Better to beat them at their own game and not leave them anything to shoot, eh? That way you get even more points, and the kill.

If, you kill the pilot, then you've got the kill, the damage points for the entire plane, and good gunnery.
Title: crap score system
Post by: mechanic on July 05, 2004, 04:49:51 PM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I don't think so bat. Misses count against you in the gunnery department. Yes, guys that steal kills will get points. Better to beat them at their own game and not leave them anything to shoot, eh? That way you get even more points, and the kill.

If, you kill the pilot, then you've got the kill, the damage points for the entire plane, and good gunnery.


nice one!

so from now on i will go for pilot kill every shot!

:)

batfink
Title: crap score system
Post by: mechanic on July 05, 2004, 04:52:59 PM
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Hey Bat, you get your rig fixed up yet to play AH2?


unfortunately not.

someone here recomended a company to order form and i did.

they havnt replied yet or sent me any notification that my $70 has been well spent so im a bit fed up today.

will keep trying though and should be on soon!

on the plus side i have been catching up to date with some real life chores/responsibilities though so its not a total loss.

on the minus side, i am shaking with withdrawal everytime i kill another fool AI pilot on my other sims. i need real people to kill!

dont quote me on that :)

see ya soon wildcrd  

batfink
Title: crap score system
Post by: Urchin on July 05, 2004, 05:39:39 PM
Yea, I just looked it up and you are right.  

You get the same amount of points for "killing" any plane, but you get points for damaging planes too.  Since bombers take more damage, you'd get more points from shooting down a bomber.  Unless you don't get points for damaging a plane you also kill.  Not real clear on that.
Title: crap score system
Post by: culero on July 05, 2004, 07:03:07 PM
This game has points?

culero (never knew that)
Title: crap score system
Post by: rod367th on July 05, 2004, 09:07:24 PM
following is just for guys like you metatron :)





(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/79_1089079375_jln_010_nomoreexcuses.gif)






No doubt That metatron aka Voss knows in and outs of scoring. I learn so much from his score tactics. Best was in AH1 as VOSS he use to shoot friendly hangers to increase hit % before I sent screenof it.
Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 10:15:02 PM
No, Rod, only idiots like you think a game is so important as to place quilt trips on people. Little people, little minds.
Title: crap score system
Post by: DipStick on July 05, 2004, 10:26:50 PM
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
p38 since 1.03

i really don't care about score only K/D concerns me

With my 2 kids here i don't have time to exploit the score system because of my limited time.


i have a life :)

Then shuddup and play... :rolleyes:
Title: crap score system
Post by: rod367th on July 05, 2004, 11:35:43 PM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
No, Rod, only idiots like you think a game is so important as to place quilt trips on people. Little people, little minds.





quiting trips? you mean I posted about you and you went out and made a new quilt? Was it out of scorpion silk?






 And if your mad I posted about you shooting hangers, You shouldn't be was part of game to score and you did it well. And as matter of fact i've posted on boards you can still increase hit % but it has to be enemy building or hangers now since HTC fix bug that let friendlys shoot own hangers.
Title: crap score system
Post by: rod367th on July 05, 2004, 11:39:18 PM
How to get a high rank
Since we had a 2 hour chat on channel one about rank. Thought I would give tips to all.



1. You must do 1 pt boat rocket attack. spawn to a port or gv base get near base fire 1 rocket it hits don't shoot again you get 100% hit rate in gv bomb %.

2. Use ju87 on strats drop on biggest cluster of targets. Zig zag out of ack ( ack has harder time if you evade it) Do a hot pad go back repeat this over and over till strat dead.


3. Drive a gv to a strat base ( i use panzer flaks lose turret to fast) use he kill buildings 2 shots or less takes out targets. after HE gone. Use your pintle guns to kill buildings this will increase your gv hit % don't for get to use turret machine gun. if no buildings left shoot rubble of a building hit % still counts.


4. Learn high alt bombing live live live hitting strats. 30 k bombing is same as 10k its easy. use 1000's 3 bombs 1 direction then 3 coming back this will give you a hit % for bomber of over 1000. Now if using bombers to hit nearby strat retund to base land bombers rearm lead bomber go back hit strat again. this improves your damage per sortie as rearm doesn't count as a sortie.


5. you must do at least 5 goon s in tod


6 same 5 for m3 secret here taking gv base and your safe use pintle gun to hit fuel increase hit %


7. to be real score ho kill ack at strat land plane at strat taxi to building shoot entire p47 ot p38 load into a building dead or up. this increases your attack hit % seen Guy hitting his own hangers like this before bug fixed. now it must be enemy target.


8. best way I find to get fast kills is to wait over a fully up strat. someone will be along shortly  


9. once you get a good k/d in fighter do the rest of your sorties in attack mode.



now keeping your rank don't try to shoot a gv with plane you hit % goes to crap and flaks will eat you and k/d goes in the drink.
Don't UP A VULCHED BASE. be a vulcher not a vulch.




lastly going for a high rank is not the way to have fun. If your in this for fun then going for rank will make you hate game..............


again if you need to learn to bomb in bomber it takes me 5 mins to make you expert. JUST ask

   this is copy of old post I did for increaseing rank you can do search see original post under rod367th.
Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 05, 2004, 11:43:33 PM
I thought so. It's not about what I've done. It's all about you. What's the matter, Rod? Not getting enough attention?

You're pitiful, and petty.
Title: crap score system
Post by: rod367th on July 05, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
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Title: crap score system
Post by: Masherbrum on July 05, 2004, 11:53:55 PM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
I thought so. It's not about what I've done. It's all about you. What's the matter, Rod? Not getting enough attention?

You're pitiful, and petty.


But a fellow Michigander.  How goes it Rodney?

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Karaya
Title: crap score system
Post by: MetaTron on July 06, 2004, 12:03:06 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th


1. You must do 1 pt boat rocket attack. spawn to a port or gv base get near base fire 1 rocket it hits don't shoot again you get 100% hit rate in gv bomb %.


This is just wrong. Shoot all you want. It's about hit rate alright, but 100% isn't enough. You can get it over 400%

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2. Use ju87 on strats drop on biggest cluster of targets. Zig zag out of ack ( ack has harder time if you evade it) Do a hot pad go back repeat this over and over till strat dead.


You forgot to say use the big egg.

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3. Drive a gv to a strat base ( i use panzer flaks lose turret to fast) use he kill buildings 2 shots or less takes out targets. after HE gone. Use your pintle guns to kill buildings this will increase your gv hit % don't for get to use turret machine gun. if no buildings left shoot rubble of a building hit % still counts.


Not sure about shooting rubble (sounds like shooting a hangar wall to me). I think using a tiger makes more sense these days. More guns on it, so you can get better hit%

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4. Learn high alt bombing live live live hitting strats. 30 k bombing is same as 10k its easy. use 1000's 3 bombs 1 direction then 3 coming back this will give you a hit % for bomber of over 1000. Now if using bombers to hit nearby strat retund to base land bombers rearm lead bomber go back hit strat again. this improves your damage per sortie as rearm doesn't count as a sortie.


Wrong again. It's not at all required that you know how to do high alt bombing.

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5. you must do at least 5 goon s in tod


Wrong again. Nothing says it has to be five goons. You can win with one, or even none, but they do help. The more captures that succeed for either team, the more you should do. Still not required.

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6 same 5 for m3 secret here taking gv base and your safe use pintle gun to hit fuel increase hit %


Again, one is all you really need.

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7. to be real score ho kill ack at strat land plane at strat taxi to building shoot entire p47 ot p38 load into a building dead or up. this increases your attack hit % seen Guy hitting his own hangers like this before bug fixed. now it must be enemy target.


Sounds like you really are a ho. You don't have to land, if you can aim a gun. Of course, if you're a gamer, go for it.

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8. best way I find to get fast kills is to wait over a fully up strat. someone will be along shortly  


Lone cons in lone sectors don't work. Try CAPing a CV, or CAPing a field under attack. Wing with Yancyan13 for a clue as to how this works.

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9. once you get a good k/d in fighter do the rest of your sorties in attack mode.


Obviously, k/d isn't everything.

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now keeping your rank don't try to shoot a gv with plane you hit % goes to crap and flaks will eat you and k/d goes in the drink.
Don't UP A VULCHED BASE. be a vulcher not a vulch.


Obviously, this is crap information. The fastest kills occur by shooting GV's, or defending a field, or CV under heavy attack. I've gotten as high as 205:0 P51D versus GV's and never got shot. I've gotten as high as 78 kills in an hour defending a field. Again, death won't hurt you as bad as Rod seems to think. The difference between being #1 and #2 in K/D is only 1 point toward rank. That might make a difference, but there are many ways to make more than a single point up in other areas.

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lastly going for a high rank is not the way to have fun. If your in this for fun then going for rank will make you hate game..............



On the contrary, I think everyone should do it once. But, I realize it's not for everyone. Obviously, Rod never mastered this. Score HOing (as they say) will teach you a lot about the mindset of your fellow gamers. Best to learn the game either way.

Keep studying, Rod.
Title: crap score system
Post by: Murdr on July 06, 2004, 01:48:23 AM
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Originally posted by rod367th

1. You must do 1 pt boat rocket attack. spawn to a port or gv base get near base fire 1 rocket it hits don't shoot again you get 100% hit rate in gv bomb %.
 


Thats not true, torpedos on supply barges work just as well.  
Title: crap score system
Post by: Arlo on July 06, 2004, 01:55:59 AM
That is, if you really think 100% in bomber hit percentage is worth anything:

Check the current #2 MA bomber pile-it % (http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/105score/105score.pl?gameid=KITE777&tour=svsl3.hitechcreations.com:0:Tour54)
Title: crap score system
Post by: DipStick on July 06, 2004, 01:59:10 AM
Hehehe just goes to prove voss is even a bigger gamer than rod! :lol
Title: crap score system
Post by: rod367th on July 06, 2004, 07:50:10 AM
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Originally posted by MetaTron
This is just wrong. Shoot all you want. It's about hit rate alright, but 100% isn't enough. You can get it over 400%



You forgot to say use the big egg.



Not sure about shooting rubble (sounds like shooting a hangar wall to me). I think using a tiger makes more sense these days. More guns on it, so you can get better hit%



Wrong again. It's not at all required that you know how to do high alt bombing.


 LOL  hi alt bombing is same as low alt nothing to it. but at 32k your not going to get shot down (they may get one but not all unless you can't hit broad side of a barn). And getting to 30k you have 1 hr to do anything you like while on auto pilot. but then for guys who steal from follow players and think they god might not have time to go on auto pilot. To busy thinking up next CON.

Wrong again. Nothing says it has to be five goons. You can win with one, or even none, but they do help. The more captures that succeed for either team, the more you should do. Still not required.
 
lol 1 doesn't get you in top 10 I said 5 because its just about avg of what top ten ranks have done. But hey nit picking is what you do best.


Again, one is all you really need.



Sounds like you really are a ho. You don't have to land, if you can aim a gun. Of course, if you're a gamer, go for it.



Lone cons in lone sectors don't work. Try CAPing a CV, or CAPing a field under attack. Wing with Yancyan13 for a clue as to how this works.



Obviously, k/d isn't everything.



Obviously, this is crap information. The fastest kills occur by shooting GV's, or defending a field, or CV under heavy attack. I've gotten as high as 205:0 P51D versus GV's and never got shot. I've gotten as high as 78 kills in an hour defending a field. Again, death won't hurt you as bad as Rod seems to think. The difference between being #1 and #2 in K/D is only 1 point toward rank. That might make a difference, but there are many ways to make more than a single point up in other areas.



 LOL nit picking again This was posted for those who try to shoot gvs with guns in fighter mode. Never said don't kill gvs lol.


On the contrary, I think everyone should do it once. But, I realize it's not for everyone. Obviously, Rod never mastered this. Score HOing (as they say) will teach you a lot about the mindset of your fellow gamers. Best to learn the game either way.

Keep studying, Rod.