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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DmdBT on July 06, 2004, 07:25:36 PM
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One thing I know, negroes can drive cars fast, I mean, they go through red lights, even at night with their lights off. They can drive cars fast.
Word!
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'negroes?'
I believe the proper term may be 'People of Color'.
You must be melanin-impoverished; a member of the mutant albino genetic-recessive global minority
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Did somebody catch a little road rage today?
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I shared track space with Willy T Ribs. I was a teenager then, was lapping a kart track and when I pited during an early winter practice day, turned around and there was Ribs.
:D
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Oh shoot, here's the rest...
Jesse Jackson says NASCAR should feature more African-American drivers because "negroes can drive cars fast."
"One thing I know, negroes can drive cars fast," Jackson said to laughter. "I mean, we go through red lights, even [drive] at night with our lights off. We can drive cars fast," he asserted from the podium.
Source: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200407\SPE20040701a.html
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Ahh. Okay, that clears it right up actually. Jesse is an American gem in the rough.
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Jesse's white???:eek:
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jackson should put his money where his mouth is , he should take some of the millions he extorted from big biz into rainbow/push and sponsor a all black NASCAR team.
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Sounds more like Cosby than Jackson.
I supposed Rev Jesse is jealous of all the attention Cosby has gotten for having the guts to say it as it is, and now Jesse, being the attention potato he is, is trying to steal some of Cosbys light.
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Sounds more like Cosby than Jackson.
I supposed Rev Jesse is jealous of all the attention Cosby has gotten for having the guts to say it as it is, and now Jesse, being the attention potato he is, is trying to steal some of Cosbys light.
dago
He sang back-up to Cosby on his last rant. Not sure if what yer saying is true, but I suppose it's possible.
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He sang back-up to Cosby on his last rant
Did you see him during Cosbys last rant? He stood back there looking uncomfortable, kinda shook Cosbys hand afterwards, and later was saying kinda like "uh, yeah, uh, what he said, kinda, yeah".
Jesse is the biggest phony attention seeking, company blackmailing, POS put on this earth to pollute it.
dago
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Originally posted by john9001
a all black NASCAR team.
Is he gonna pay for the LAPD Cop car to chase them around the track with its lights flashing?
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Honestly, no, I didn't see it. Only saw the pictures from the news article. On the one hand, it's difficult to take Jesse seriously for the obvious reasons. He's...well....Jesse.
On the other hand, he HAS pulled off some pretty amazing things despite his verbal handicap. The release of the 3 US soldiers captured on the Serb border a few years ago comes to mind. There have been a couple other cases, but I can't remember the details off hand. Like I said earlier, he's a unique American personality.
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He said that before Cosby, I think.
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The spinners would slow them down too much.
But they can have a guy in the trunk throwing computers at the opposition.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeywaltz/trunkguy.jpg)
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Is he gonna pay for the LAPD Cop car to chase them around the track with its lights flashing?
**** You.
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Originally posted by Dago
Did you see him during Cosbys last rant? He stood back there looking uncomfortable, kinda shook Cosbys hand afterwards, and later was saying kinda like "uh, yeah, uh, what he said, kinda, yeah".
Jesse is the biggest phony attention seeking, company blackmailing, POS put on this earth to pollute it.
dago
Wrong. Farrakhan has that title by a mile. HE is the epitome of POS.
Here you go all, try this link.
http://www.fadetoblack.com/namegenerator/
Karaya
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Is he gonna pay for the LAPD Cop car to chase them around the track with its lights flashing?
Make it the Pace Car :D
Karaya
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Heh...no offense, most of the black folks I know have more horsepower in their stereos than their car engine!
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Heeheee... hohhoooo!
We don't need no AA... there ain't no racism round these parts!... hootie hoo!
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but put a bro and a couple of high-spanics in the pit and they'll have those tires off in millisecs :)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Heeheee... hohhoooo!
We don't need no AA... there ain't no racism round these parts!... hootie hoo!
I know what racism is, this isn't it. It is Stereotyping. Had JJ NOT opened his ignorant pie-hole, this discussion never would have happened.
Karaya
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Yeah, but then the pace car will have to chase them down to put new ones on.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Yeah, but then the pace car will have to chase them down to put new ones on.
Do they have to wear cuffs?
Karaya
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No, but the NASCAR officals may beat them with nightsticks if they miss a lugnut.
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ROTMFFLMFAO :rofl
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I know what racism is, this isn't it. It is Stereotyping. Had JJ NOT opened his ignorant pie-hole, this discussion never would have happened.
Karaya
Stereotyping is racism... duh!
And blaming this hatefest on JJ's stupid remarks is about as childish an excuse as I've ever heard on this BBS.
"But Mommy! Jesse gets to pick on the Negroes!.. waaaaa!"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Stereotyping is racism... duh!
And blaming this hatefest on JJ's stupid remarks is about as childish an excuse as I've ever heard on this BBS.
"But Mommy! Jesse gets to pick on the Negroes!.. waaaaa!"
ster·e·o·type ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str--tp, stîr-)
n.
1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.
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rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Need we continue this?
Karaya
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It didn't help that the first NASCAR driver of the melanin-enhanced variety was named Willy T Ribs, you gotta admit.
Personally, I think it is stupid of the teams not to load up with minority drivers, black, brown, yellow and female. NASCAR fans are extremely loyal to their brands, and there is no lack of brands that could sponsor them. To blame it on NASCAR itself is kind of silly, though, since all they can do is say "no" to sponsors they find objectionable.
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Originally posted by Lizking
It didn't help that the first NASCAR driver of the melanin-enhanced variety was named Willy T Ribs, you gotta admit.
Personally, I think it is stupid of the teams not to load up with minority drivers, black, brown, yellow and female. NASCAR fans are extremely loyal to their brands, and there is no lack of brands that could sponsor them. To blame it on NASCAR itself is kind of silly, though, since all they can do is say "no" to sponsors they find objectionable.
I didn't type that driver's name. that is on the orignal poster. Not us.
Karaya
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No, that is his name and he was a damn good racer. If he had had decent equipment he would have won races. Of course the same can be said for thousands of white boys, too.
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Yep. I responded fromt he 2nd part of you last post bro. Sorry, forget to include 1st sentence answer. My bad.
Karaya
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Willy T. Ribbs drove for Indy series I thought, not NASCAR. I could be wrong.
Karaya
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Originally posted by midnight Target
**** You.
He was just completing Jesse's thought. And you know this, man.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Willy T. Ribbs drove for Indy series I thought, not NASCAR. I could be wrong.
Karaya
Ribbs drove NASCAR, CART, Trans Am, and some other series I am forgetting. He was pretty good. More than any other sport, auto racing is 10% ability and 90% having the financial backing to exploit that ability.
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Originally posted by Lizking
It didn't help that the first NASCAR driver of the melanin-enhanced variety was named Willy T Ribs, you gotta admit.
Wendell Scott.
WOOHOO I out-necked you!!!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
**** You.
**** yourself.
Jackson's a bigger bigot than anyone on this board can dream of being, and an even bigger con-artist.
While my comments may often be lame, at least they're lame attempts at humor. All he can get past his lips is sanctimonious whining.
I guess you've got something in common with him.
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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am Skuzzy when I lay my vengeance upon you."
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Well, if one thing is learned from this thread, it's not to talk about NASCAR again.:)
Les
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NASCAR = non athletic sport centered around rednecks :)
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hey guys.....
let's get back to making fun of white men before someone get's offended.
so long as there is one joke about colored people there needs to be AA right? some races do some things better than others. driving shooting and swimming are not the pervue of the colored folk... but...pointing that out is evil. pointing to an exception to the rule is acceptable tho.
maybe the solution is an AA nasscar... only negroes, women and asians are allowed to be in it. it could run right alongside the racist one.
lazs
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Ahh !
I need to stay out of these threads. I apologize to every cracker....
I mean I'm sorry for spouting off to some of you redne...
Oh.. nevermind.
Was watching a documentary last night on Black culture. A lot of the crap Black folks deal with is self inflicted (as Cosby so eloquently pointed out).
Richard Pryor said it in one of his monologs. He talked about his visit to Africa. As he was sitting in the lobby of his hotel he looked around.... he saw people of all colors and nationalities..... but he didn't see one n*****.
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we need more crackers in the NBA too :)
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richard pryor also said that ther biggotry in africa is rampant.. light skinned negroes felt superior to dark skinned ones. he also complained that they smelled bad.
is that the richard pryor you were talking about?
lazs
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That's the guy.
Are you amazed that someone can learn from a bad situation or are you trying to make another point?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Ahh !
I need to stay out of these threads. I apologize to every cracker....
I mean I'm sorry for spouting off to some of you redne...
Oh.. nevermind.
Was watching a documentary last night on Black culture. A lot of the crap Black folks deal with is self inflicted (as Cosby so eloquently pointed out).
Richard Pryor said it in one of his monologs. He talked about his visit to Africa. As he was sitting in the lobby of his hotel he looked around.... he saw people of all colors and nationalities..... but he didn't see one n*****.
You're use of the "N-bomb" MT just shot the legs out from under you. You think I care about someone calling me a cracker?! I laugh when I called that, it pisses them off even more as I smile.
Karaya
PS - You're the bigot in this thread
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You're use of the "N-bomb" MT just shot the legs out from under you. You think I care about someone calling me a cracker?! I laugh when I called that, it pisses them off even more as I smile.
Karaya
PS - You're the bigot in this thread
Was trying to lighten the mood a little. But you seem to want to keep the animosity going.
I used the n-bomb in the context of a quote... this negates the explosive nature of the n-bomb and in fact creates a level 3 leg growing charm.
NNnnnnnerd.
Now that's an N-bomb.
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Originally posted by rpm371
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am Skuzzy when I lay my vengeance upon you."
(http://home.online.no/~anitat/english/Pulp09.jpg)
That's a great quote!
Anybody know if its available on the web as a .wav file? I want to turn it into my Ki-61 engine start-up sound.
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Pretty sure you can find it Gofaster. I know I have seen websites full of .wav files from Pulp Fiction.....I just cant look for them here at work.
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No worries, I found it here (http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/ezekiel.wav).
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the term "cracker" is not a insult, "crackers" were florida cowboys that herded cattle by "cracking" their whips, hence the name "cracker"
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Some interesting history here for you die-hards.
On February 10, 1952, Joie Ray (Henry J. Ray) started 25th in the Daytona 500 and went on to finish 51st that day and is recognized as being the first African-American driver to start a NASCAR sanctioned race.
Currently there is another driver in the Nascar Truck series; Bill Lester and there is supposed to be another team headed up by Willy Ribbs that is going to run in the Cup series.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Was trying to lighten the mood a little. But you seem to want to keep the animosity going.
I used the n-bomb in the context of a quote... this negates the explosive nature of the n-bomb and in fact creates a level 3 leg growing charm.
NNnnnnnerd.
Now that's an N-bomb.
Tell us how you really feel Oprah. I na ll honesty, I think Nascrap is just that. But it is funny watching you get worked up over this.
Karaya
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Originally posted by john9001
the term "cracker" is not a insult, "crackers" were florida cowboys that herded cattle by "cracking" their whips, hence the name "cracker"
STHU HONKY!!!-
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
STHU HONKY!!!-
Who you callin Honky, Whitey?
Karaya
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dmdbt great ambush
midnight target.. notice how fast dmdbt was stereotyped for using the word negros until it was made knowen that the rev. jj said them then it was ok lol.since u believe stereotyping is racism then u must believe those that took dmdbt to task are racist gee i dont think they are but such is life.In truth people that throw the word racist around as easly as u did demean the very word,If this simple debate is racist then what word do u use when real and sickening racism raises it horned head.JJ is worried about shaking down nascar ...yet he sits down to dinner with the rulers of the sudan...news flash the arab goverment in that region has killed hundreds of thousands of blacks in last ten years and still are ,and at this moment are displaceing 1 million blacks because they are inferior to arab culture their words not mine.Did u know the slave trade is alive and well ,yes blacks are bought and sold in the arab world today.Opps not political correct to say this I wonder Mr. midnight target what are u and jj doing about it.
demaw1
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Originally posted by demaw1
dmdbt great ambush
midnight target.. notice how fast dmdbt was stereotyped for using the word negros until it was made knowen that the rev. jj said them then it was ok lol.since u believe stereotyping is racism then u must believe those that took dmdbt to task are racist gee i dont think they are but such is life.In truth people that throw the word racist around as easly as u did demean the very word,If this simple debate is racist then what word do u use when real and sickening racism raises it horned head.JJ is worried about shaking down nascar ...yet he sits down to dinner with the rulers of the sudan...news flash the arab goverment in that region has killed hundreds of thousands of blacks in last ten years and still are ,and at this moment are displaceing 1 million blacks because they are inferior to arab culture their words not mine.Did u know the slave trade is alive and well ,yes blacks are bought and sold in the arab world today.Opps not political correct to say this I wonder Mr. midnight target what are u and jj doing about it.
demaw1
I brought up this point about a week ago Demaw... The answer to what JJ is doing about is: Nothing.
Because what's the purpose of starting a rucus when there're no white people to accuse.
Rest assured though, it'll take him another week at least to find a way to implicate the race of oppressors somehow.
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What did Cosby SAY while sharing the podium with Jackson? I seem to have missed that.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
I brought up this point about a week ago Demaw... The answer to what JJ is doing about is: Nothing.
Because what's the purpose of starting a rucus when there're no white people to accuse.
Rest assured though, it'll take him another week at least to find a way to implicate the race of oppressors somehow.
Put me down for white.:D
Les
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Originally posted by Shuckins
What did Cosby SAY while sharing the podium with Jackson? I seem to have missed that.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200407%5CSPE20040702a.html
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Originally posted by demaw1
dmdbt great ambush
midnight target.. notice how fast dmdbt was stereotyped for using the word negros until it was made knowen that the rev. jj said them then it was ok lol.since u believe stereotyping is racism then u must believe those that took dmdbt to task are racist gee i dont think they are but such is life.In truth people that throw the word racist around as easly as u did demean the very word,If this simple debate is racist then what word do u use when real and sickening racism raises it horned head.JJ is worried about shaking down nascar ...yet he sits down to dinner with the rulers of the sudan...news flash the arab goverment in that region has killed hundreds of thousands of blacks in last ten years and still are ,and at this moment are displaceing 1 million blacks because they are inferior to arab culture their words not mine.Did u know the slave trade is alive and well ,yes blacks are bought and sold in the arab world today.Opps not political correct to say this I wonder Mr. midnight target what are u and jj doing about it.
demaw1
He wasn't stereotyped by me. But you go ahead and start your daisy chain. I'm sure you can get plenty of sheets to clean up the mess.
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You've got it all backwards. More minorities need to get into stock car racing.
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Originally posted by gofaster
You've got it all backwards. More minorities need to get into stock car racing.
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Cosby was right on. Whoever thinks he knows how black peoples are, is invited to live with me two weeks. No one is offended by "negroes" as "Niger" means "Dude" other here, except if it's some white guy that said it. (Heck they even call me Niger:D)
I am living in South Central, Los Angeles, the bottom of the basket of what Black Americans have to offer.:o Off course, the White Man is at fault... you know the ones that pay their SSI.
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midnight target you did not stereotype him but those that agree with your point did.On the other hand you said stereotyping was the same as racism [which it isnt ] therefore what is good for the goose is good for the gander.Daisy, white sheets, nice innuendos.I am always amazed at how fast people such as your self so quickly turn to innuendos and /or name calling when faced with the truth.Stereotyping was an aside, the question was the most important,your brothers and sisters are being raped ,killed and ran out by the hundreds of thousands and or sold as slaves evey day,today,2004, what is al sharpten, maxine waters ,the naacp and YOU going to do about it.
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Originally posted by demaw1
midnight target you did not stereotype him but those that agree with your point did.On the other hand you said stereotyping was the same as racism [which it isnt ] therefore what is good for the goose is good for the gander.Daisy, white sheets, nice innuendos.I am always amazed at how fast people such as your self so quickly turn to innuendos and /or name calling when faced with the truth.Stereotyping was an aside, the question was the most important,your brothers and sisters are being raped ,killed and ran out by the hundreds of thousands and or sold as slaves evey day,today,2004, what is al sharpten, maxine waters ,the naacp and YOU going to do about it.
If they are my brothers and sisters, why aren't they yours? And if they are yours... I'll follow your lead, what should WE do about it?
ps. Negative stereotyping is a classic form of racism.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ps. Negative stereotyping is a classic form of racism.
tell that to BET, MTV, VH1, JET, VIBE, and, Most Rappers who created said stereotypes!
Most of the "stereotypes" mentioned in this thread were humorous and not degrading to black people as a whole.
Again this goes back to If your white shut your mouth about black people. If you are black say anything you want.
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Stereotyping is normal for humans. It is an involuntary function of the brain. If you don't stereotype, there's something wrong with your brain.:D
Don't take my word for it, look it up in your Psychology 101 textbook.
All stereotypes are based on reality. That is why they are sometimes humorous. If it wasn't for stereotypes, there would be no jokes or humor of any kind.
Remember John Biner and Super Dave Osborn? The Super Dave Show? They had a skit called "The Bigot Family." I laughed at that because it was funny. If you saw "The Bigot Family" and didn't laugh, I'd say you're not being honest.
Les
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ps. Negative stereotyping is a classic form of racism.
Negative, but Discrimination and Reverse Discrimination are.
Ask my brother, he's Vietnamese. But then again, what do I know about racism, TRUE racism? Roughly 300+ fights later (I'm 31, he's 32), after seeing sheer lunacy, this thread is a walk in the park. You know how many times I've seen Asians put down on Ch.1 let alone in here?! I have a thick skin, sir. The other person doesn't know about my brother, but after telling them (privately), they realize what a horse's arse, they've been, and apologize. Now I'm talking straight-up Racial Epithets, not anything REMOTELY close to this thread.
Karaya
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I for one am sick and tired of all this bullchit. For once in your lives let the watermelon die. The majority of you come in to the BBS and say watermelon that you would not say in front of someones face. You hide behind your little monitors on the internet and bring up all this racial this racial that discussions. Whether you are joking or not it's not appreciated. Over the net it's hard to tell if a person is joking or serious since you can't see their expressions or hear the tone in their voice. Call me sensitve or whatever you want but I bet that most of you are biatches and need to leave these subjects alone. Now to have a discussion on the matter is one thing but to use the opportunity to bring out your sheets is another. I don't bring up racial issues on the BBS. I find that most of you are incapable of having an intelligent conversation about it. Most of you are ignorant to the subject yet still feel the need to comment on it.
Take frenchys comment. I am not quite sure how to react. I am from South Central LA. Is he joking? I dont know. Was it called for? I think not. I respect frenchy so I will not bash him or try to start an argument. I just hope he realizes that joke or not it was wrong.
The discussion was started just to start a flame fest. I do not know how many black people besides myself surf this BBS. You dont see us cracking jokes at white people or starting threads like this. I often wonder why some of you guys feel the need too.
Some of you need a brute lesson on reality and have your azzes kicked. For all who feel the need to reply with stupid remarks you are the biatches that I'm refering too.
Oh you can start posting IN now.
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jumasta said it best.
If you are white you better shut your mouth....all others can say whatever they want....they dont have to worry bout offending white people. :rolleyes:
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"Some of you need a brute lesson on reality and have your azzes kicked."
I referred to this in my last post.
Karaya
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See there you have it. Please read the post before saying anything about it. Gunslinger, how did you get that out of my post? Where does it say anywhere that its is ok to make fun of white people? Do me a favor, take the BC's off that the Marine Corps issued you and re- read my post.
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[ excellent reply midnight target,] I will try to vote for those who will keep americas armed forces strong,who do not seek approval from other countries to do what is right, those who at least know evil when they see it.There is a ground swell of black letter writers who are beginning to write the people I have mentioned,asking what gives etc.etc. if you are black u can do that. All others need to write at least one letter to congress...Dont do this solely because the victims are black but because they need help to keep the bully at bay.We cant go everywhere but why does that have to stop us from going anywhere? If not us...who If not now....when...If in this case the black leaders dont respond then get rid of them.
respectfully demaw
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sorry jamusta but I think if we don't talk about race oenly then things will never get better. As for getting our *** kicked over it.. I got my *** kicked in jail once by half a dozen blacks and it didn't make me like em or respect em.. Also.. it did not make me hate every negro I ran into from then on.
Stereotypes and humor are a release. If you take that away what are you left with? If you are sensitive what happens? Imagine if every white guy was guarenteed to get all sshook up and angry every time he heard the word honkey... What if all the white guys could call each other honkey but started clubbing down people who were black who said it (to their face).
Most blacks say that we (whites) are incapable of understanding how they feel (oddly, a claim that we are different) but don't even try to understand and don't think they have to understand the white man.
The more things you do to make people seperate the more seperate they will be. It should be just a matter of skin color and some other physical attributtes but now... it is a matter of completely different ideals, culture and opportunities and the way the law and government treats each race... it is a matter of say one whole race voting in a block in lockstep to one party in order to get extra benifiets to "catch up".
The more you want to be treated differently the more I want to avoid you.
lazs
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jamusta,I disagee that it is all bs,I cannot speak for anyone else but I would not be ashamed or afraid to say anything I have written on this thread to anyone face to face,it may help u to set a line and if someone crosses that line joking or serious to totally dis re gard it.I do not pass judgement on colour but character.Yes whites do crack jokes and start threads like this,as do blacks,browns,yellows,reds,blues,and pinks,We do need to discuss all subjects in the light of day, things that are hidden spawns those sheets you talk about and believe me every race has worn them at one time or another,
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yep... I am pretty sure that I would say anything I have said to your face. Maybe even things I can't write here. but...
If I felt I couldn't... Why would I want to be around or part of, a group that I couldn't? If there are things I can't say to black people why would I take the chance? Wouldn't I just avoid them? Wouldn't I just do whatever to stay away from em and to exclude them? If they make me uncomfortable I might even tend to not care about their rights.
lazs
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Anybody want a good laugh? Here is what Mr. Burgis has to say on the matter of minorities in NASCAR......
Mr.Burgis (http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=mrbergis-nascar.mp3)
Sadly enough I know a few who would agree. I'm indifferent. Minorities are more than welcome to race if they have an intrest. If the intrest isnt there why make it a race issue?
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Originally posted by demaw1
jamusta,I disagee that it is all bs,I cannot speak for anyone else but I would not be ashamed or afraid to say anything I have written on this thread to anyone face to face,it may help u to set a line and if someone crosses that line joking or serious to totally dis re gard it.I do not pass judgement on colour but character.Yes whites do crack jokes and start threads like this,as do blacks,browns,yellows,reds,blues,and pinks,We do need to discuss all subjects in the light of day, things that are hidden spawns those sheets you talk about and believe me every race has worn them at one time or another,
Amen.
Face to face or monitor to monitor, it doesn't matter to me.
Karaya
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Lazs,
We have had these discussions before. You have explained your point of view. Although I do not believe we will ever see eye to eye on racial equality, I have grown to respect your opinions and you. The rest of these so-called men do nothing for the discussion but add there stupid *** comments to fit in. Something I call "co-signing" someones opinions instead of making a valid point with their own. They feel the need to drop these stupid jokes. Be man enough to say how you feel. Lazs is the only one who has done this. When I said most need their *** whipped, no where did I say by black people, but someone needs to put their foot up your azzes.
If you can find a post started by a minority that bashes white people please post it. I will apologize for that persons ignorance. I have been here since 2001 and never seen one.
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Is NASCAR a popular sport in "black" culture?
To me living in California NASCAR pretty much means southern white male fans..
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There sure are a lot of southern white fans in places like Chicago, California and Delaware, to name a few.
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If an individual of any ethnic group can not run the numbers and keep control they will not be allowed to on the track. NASCAR Cup Cars are like the creme of the crop. Also if a driver cant sell himself he isnt going to go very far either.
I guess while we are at it lets get old JJ to tell the formula one guys and other racing sanctioning bodies to get more minorities into their races. I'm sure he'd have a captive audiance in Europe like he has here.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that anybody regardless of ethnicity can race. They just have to have the skill. If they dont have that they aint gonna get into NASCAR. We have a local dirt track thats growing in size and popularity in the area and they have a mixed bunch of drivers.
Thing that gets my hide is the folks that shake fingers cause something is white dominated. Yet when the whites complain we are out of line. I want to go on record as saying that I hate basketball. I also want to say that I think more whites should be allowed to play basketball. Heaven forbid I should utter such rubbish.
Hell they have theirs we have ours leave well enough alone. JJ needs to get a clue or be shot. He causes more problems than he fixes. Any minority is more than welcome to drive a race car. All they have to do is go to a driving school, start out small, and work their way up. If they have any skill they will succede and eventualy make it to the top ranks. Just going and putting a anybody in a NASCAR Cup car aint gonna happen when somebody says ****POOF**** make it so.
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Grun if you were to ever go to a Nascar race I think you would be surprised by the diversity in the crowd. I know I was and I grew up here in the South and have only been to one Nascar race (at Talladega). Also if you look at the officials that Nascar has working each race they have diversity within that group as well.
The sport is not as racially divided as people like Jesse Jackson and various other "African-American leaders" think it is. There are many middle age and young Americans of African descent (my term since I hate the term African-American but thats a different story) who can be seen daily wearing some clothing of one race team or another.
So to say that the sport is not appreciated unless you are white and from the South is completely wrong. A huge reason it has such a big fanbase here is because of the roots of the sport. Which go from small dirt tracks in little towns to the former moonshine runners who pushed old vehilcles to the limit and started racing on those little dirt tracks.
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Originally posted by jamusta
The majority of you come in to the BBS and say watermelon that you would not say in front of someones face. You hide behind your little monitors on the internet and bring up all this racial this racial that discussions.
What, exactly, separetes what you just said from 'chit that you would not say in front of someones face'.
I lived in Downtown LA for 2 years. I have no idea what sort of credability that gives me, but since you mentioned it, I guess I will too.
Some of you need a brute lesson on reality and have your azzes kicked. For all who feel the need to reply with stupid remarks you are the biatches that I'm refering too.
I think the point of this thread, before it went to hell, was that discrimination works both ways. If you don't agree, maybe you're the one in need of a 'brute lesson on reality'.
Get over yourself
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jamusta I have never looked at a post trying to figure out the persons color what a waste of time btw do u know the color of dmdbt I dont.I suspect some of the men in here you call [so called men] have proven themselves in battle or life. I have now read every thread in here some I strongly disagree with,but u are the only one that is hiding behind the screen. Who made you judge and jury to pronounce everyones comments as stupid comments,no [thank God] so far we as americans of all types and colors have have been able to[ whoop the butt ] as u say of people like you who have tried to take our freedom of speech away.When i read your first reply I was in agreement with your contention it was hard for you to have a decent talk with someone on this issue,now I know that it is your problem not others.So now I will ask you what i have asked others,your brothers and sisters and their children are being killed by the hundreds of thousands ,1 million will be displaced by the years end.Thousands are being sold into slavery today jamusta all this is being done by some arabs in the sudan and elsewhere,and here u make a big fuss about some white people [if they are all white]. telling some jokes.Last time I looked arabs are people of color.What are u going to do about it or have totally lost your moral compass.
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You know what Capt. Pork I was going to get all bent out of shape about your post. Instead I will try to explain what's going on.
1) I mentioned where I am from in reply to frenchys post.
2) There isn't a point to this thread. Just by the way it was started by the poster it was meant to start something. Thats when all the jokes started.
3) Point to where I said reverse discrimination is right or doesnt exits.
So when you get the chance...GET OVER YOURSELF
Demaw, none of my comments pertained to you. You actually had some valid points. I am sorry you feel you had to take up for the ignorance that is abundant in this BBS. I came out swinging on this post, I'll admit that. Like I said I'm tired of all the racial jokes. Now this is the part that has me a little annoyed. You speak of me trying to take away a persons free speech. What gets me is that I defend your right to free speech. I have been doing it for 14 years. I will continue to defend that right. It amazes me that the same people that I am defending, find it neccessary to crack jokes about my ethnic background. So I challenge you, if you are capable or havent done so in thepast, to sign your name on the line and and be willing to give your life to defend that right. As far as going to Sudan, shouldn't we be more concerned about Americas problems. I for one am tired of being the worlds police force.
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Originally posted by Reschke
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The sport is not as racially divided as people like Jesse Jackson and various other "African-American leaders" think it is. There are many middle age and young Americans of African descent (my term since I hate the term African-American but thats a different story) who can be seen daily wearing some clothing of one race team or another.
So to say that the sport is not appreciated unless you are white and from the South is completely wrong. [/B]
I agree with this. I am not a huge fan of JJ to me his only worth is freeing hostages. I believe he starts to many problems. NASCAR has been the same way for years. Why does he feel he needs to change it now. Is there proof that NASCAR wont let black drivers in or is it just that not to many black drivers wish or have the sponsoring to pay for it?
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jamusta thank you for your reply it was well thought out.To be free we must put up with ignorance to a point,remember i said to draw your line for your self when it is past, to totally dismiss it ignore it between that line is a blank space and the only thing left after the blank space is to pick up your weapon. I understand you are tired of the racial jokes except for frenchy who i dont know and not really sure what he meant but went beyond my line no matter what color he is ,everything else was to mild to care about.I know in your case it is more than just this thread that pushed u ,things have most likely piled up over time. As i said at one time or another every race has worn those white sheets,now it seems not all but a goodly number of arabs have put them on.I do so agree with you I am tired off being the worlds police force also I think we as a people are to soft to be.But look around ...since ww2... if not us who...if not now when..honest look around and tell me which country.We will aways be divided by race been same since adam.though we fight among our selves like brothers and yes sometimes degrade and kill each other we have always pulled together when the danger was from outside.Unfortunatly at least a third if not more of us has adopted european values and so far we are in a bloodless civil war for the hearts and minds of americans.I would consider it a honor to watch your 6 in battle but am a little old now.
respectfully demaw.
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I find it difficult to swallow the notion that simple skill is all that is involved in NASCAR or any other racing league's ladder of success. It is pretty obvious that while NASCAR drivers are undoubtably skilled, they also seem to get some boost from having the correct last name.
Earnhardt
Waltrip
Petty
Andretti
Unser
I'm sure I've missed a few.
The point being that comparing NASCAR to basketball is just plain silly. No one ever got an NBA draft invitation simply due to his last name. Now please understand. I'm not saying these sons and brothers and uncles of drivers aren't skilled. I'm saying that they got the opportunity to become skilled due to their family background.
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Demaw,
These subjects come up alot. Instead of having a mature discussion about it, it turns into exactly what this post did. A joke. I wasn't going to reply at all but I could not help myself. Now a joke is a joke, but I found nothing humorus about being chased by the police and so on. It may seem funny to some but to tie real life problems into a joke, I think not. Say if you lost your house and I made a joke about you not paying your note, would that be funny?
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but i think the average NASCAR driver would happily swap paychecks with the average NBA'er :)
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mt... you don't believe that certain skills can be genetic?
jamusta. We would probly get along just fine. If we were together and you were truely being discriminated against I would back you up unless you brought it on yourself with attitude or whatever. I would also laugh at you if you were sensitive around me. I am pretty much an equal opportunity insulter.
I am not around blacks much. the majority of the ones I see, I would shun based simply on appearance. what we have her, where I live, the most of is mexicans. my currrent girlfriend is mexican and my grand daughter is half mexican.. I am around mexicans all the time. for the most part... I am much more tolerant than of race or even mexicans than they are.. They truely hate some 'types" of mexicans... I guess in much the same way that some white trash disgusts me.
At the last wedding I was at I was the only white. most of the people there were either not citizens or recent ones. There were a lot of people there who treated me very well but a percentage, maybe 10% were openly hostile and even with my limited spanish I got it. Being a head taller than the hostiles and sober and friends of the important people there was a big help.
I have said... my first decades of my life were pretty biggoted. I have SS tatts. I grew up and became logical (I think) about the whole thing. That does not mean that I condone overly sensitive behavior or discrimination, reverse or otherwise.
It is far to complex to expalin here... you would have to know me.
lazs
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I agree somewhat with what your saying MT. What I am trying to point out is that regardless of credintials at the basic level a driver has to be able to run with the big boys, keep his car on the track, and not be a hazard to the other drivers. Some folks just cant hold and maintain a line at speed. Regardless of the reasons why they cant hold the line and maintain speed NASCAR isnt gonna let them on the track for a race.
The minimun speed is a percentage of the pole speed. There are some tracks that the minimum speed doesnt matter as much. If a driver doesnt qualify in the top 38 and doesnt have any provisionals he is going home. Those are rules that apply to anybody that wants to run, Doesnt matter what the name is. So yes skill is involved. If you cant drive the car you are not gonna run. Last name doesnt help at all. The other thing to consider is that the guys that are 3rd and 4th generation drivers, Racing is all they know. The Track and pits is where they grew up. Its a family thing.
Also you may have missed my point, You have one sport that is very white dominated. You have another that is very Black dominated. Asking to have more of one group in one sport is just like asking to have more of the other in the other group. Some things just arent going to mix due to interest/ skill. Forcing it to happen isnt gonna help either. Its a matter of free choice. NASCAR is open to anybody, but you have to be able to run the numbers just aas in the NBA, you can play but you gotta be able to kick bellybutton and make the shots.
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Originally posted by jamusta
So when you get the chance...GET OVER YOURSELF
I admit that what I said about the Police cars was pretty crappy.
But to be honest, I feel far worse about making you feel bad than I do about cracking a joke. I've been the target of plenty of racial humor myself. When the jokes were made by blacks or hispanics, it was about my whitness, when the jokes were made by whites, it was about my being Jewish. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying I've been there. Crappy as it was, we learn to deal with it... Occasionally, when there's genuine humor involved, even laugh a little.
I'll accept that it was out of line given the nature of the thread and this BBS as a whole.
I still think JJ is a schmuck and a poor roll model.
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:rofl @ the ignorance in this post. Keep it up fellas :aok
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I am far from sensitive lazs. I cut into people all the time, but if I dont know you I would be sensitive to saying any type of racial joke around you. Now if we were sitting back having drinks and start cracking on each other, I can go with the best of them. My only point to this thread is that it seems when topics like this come up, every one wants to jump in and start throwing out the racial jokes. Now are you guys trying to be funny or are you guys hiding your racism in a joke?
I have way more respect for a man who can say, "I dont like this race or that race", than a man who tries to hide it.
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The horse is dead. But, in all honesty jamusta, you're cussing more than anyone that was "racial".
Karaya
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Originally posted by lazs2
mt... you don't believe that certain skills can be genetic? .
lazs
Of course they can. Kobe Bryant's dad was a pro, as was Luke Walton's etc.
Point is.. they didn't get their shot because they had dad's in the game. They got their shot because they were talented.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Of course they can. Kobe Bryant's dad was a pro, as was Luke Walton's etc.
Point is.. they didn't get their shot because they had dad's in the game. They got their shot because they were talented.
MT, I'm glad we finally agree on something. The Jimmy "The Greek" BS is just that, BS.
Karaya
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jamusta,i am going to ask a question and i will take your word as the last word. look at midnight targets thread a bout nascar drivers dads. i read it this way, for sake of arguement ,all the last names are white people, there fore the main reason their sons got the chance is because of the good ole white boys dads run the show. well maybe they have a little skill,but they got the chance cause daddys back ground and the good ole boys network.
[never mind they have been groomed their whole life for this.as tigers dad groomed him for golf and the williams girls dad did for tennis] [ i know nothing about basketball so i will use baseball as i almost made it.To suggest all blacks were drafted because of skill and not daddys last name... doesnt wash many blacks [and others ] that had realitives that played have been drafted that should not have been out of respect for the former player. i know i played with some.and whats wrong with that,Ididnt not make it because of these players but because of the ones that made me look like i was standing still.My point, we are all the same,u get tired of this ,i get tired of that, they get tired of everything.The white people are not the blacks problem,the aisians are not the whites problem ,the indians are not the hispanics problem etc,etc,
,question is did i read the thread right or am i just hearing this stuff so much that is all i hear?
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My opinion on the whole NASCAR issue is this. I am sure that these drivers have been doing this long before the joined NASCAR. Probably started with go-carts in kindegarden. There is no doubt that a person who has been around the track for years has more skill then say I would trying to start off. To me it all boils down to sponsors in this environment. Who is likely to get the sponsors? Two drivers with equal talent. One of the drivers is yourself. The other is Petty's son.
As for the Williams sister's and Tiger no one paid them any mind until they started showing some dominance. In any other sport that is the way it is, you have to be a dominant player. No one cares who your daddy was. They just want you to sell tickets.
Bill Waltons son is a perfect example. His dad a great Hall of Famer but who cares. His son picked low in the draft. He doesnt even start. Noone goes to a game to watch him play but his dad.
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Originally posted by rpm371
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am Skuzzy when I lay my vengeance upon you."
(http://home.online.no/~anitat/english/Pulp09.jpg)
So run and tattle to skuzzy again.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I find it difficult to swallow the notion that simple skill is all that is involved in NASCAR or any other racing league's ladder of success. It is pretty obvious that while NASCAR drivers are undoubtably skilled, they also seem to get some boost from having the correct last name.
Earnhardt
Waltrip
Petty
Andretti
Unser
I'm sure I've missed a few.
The point being that comparing NASCAR to basketball is just plain silly. No one ever got an NBA draft invitation simply due to his last name. Now please understand. I'm not saying these sons and brothers and uncles of drivers aren't skilled. I'm saying that they got the opportunity to become skilled due to their family background.
Not necassarily because daddy gave 'em a free ride. Most second generation drivers grew up eating sleeping breathing at the track. It's only natural that they pick up the skills and the connections. earnhardt didn't do much at all for junior til he really advanced and started winning races.
As far as black drivers in nascar. You won't see much of that until you see minorities at the grass roots level. At the local dirt track in alabama on a saturday night being competitive in a late model car, or at indy raceway park winning races in a sprint car. Then they'll work their way up. jj can't just throw a black guy in a cup car and expect him to do well.
The only problem with that theory is there are no blacks at the local dirt track. or none that I noticed a few weeks ago when I was there. Not even fans in the stands. That'll likely have to change before we'll have a competitive black driver in a cup race.
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Originally posted by hblair
Not necassarily because daddy gave 'em a free ride. Most second generation drivers grew up eating sleeping breathing at the track. It's only natural that they pick up the skills and the connections. earnhardt didn't do much at all for junior til he really advanced and started winning races.
As far as black drivers in nascar. You won't see much of that until you see minorities at the grass roots level. At the local dirt track in alabama on a saturday night being competitive in a late model car, or at indy raceway park winning races in a sprint car. Then they'll work their way up. jj can't just throw a black guy in a cup car and expect him to do well.
The only problem with that theory is there are no blacks at the local dirt track. or none that I noticed a few weeks ago when I was there. Not even fans in the stands. That'll likely have to change before we'll have a competitive black driver in a cup race.
Word!
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thanks jamusta for a very reasoned answer
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Go to more tracks, then. I see quite a few around here, in the pits and in the stands. Lots of hispanics, too.
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Its been a pleasure demaw.
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Hialeah Speedway has been running cyclone for decades and you can see a little of everything there just about any Saturday night.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Go to more tracks, then. I see quite a few around here, in the pits and in the stands. Lots of hispanics, too.
What kind of tracks? What classes of cars? Do you have competitive black drivers there?
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Legends, bone stock(junker), street stock, super stock, modified. I don't know if minorities are competitive, I don't follow any series close enough to tell.