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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TheWobble on January 04, 2001, 12:14:00 AM
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make it like Rogue Spear where a person can change almost everything, that way if there is a problem or a change you want implemented you tweak it youself and send it to HTC if they dig what ya did they implement it and it is loaded to yer puter in the form of an update next time ya log on.
It would be neat to mess with and insted of squeak and wine you could say "here try this, i think this is how it should be" if they like or dont like they do wahtever they want.
i know this will never become a reality but with the formum bordom and nobody answering any of my damn questions i might as well stirr the pool a little.
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Right...
I think we need a Nurse for this one...
Saw
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Rogue Spear is open source? That's strange.. I've never seen source code available for this one. Don't confuse having a plug-in available for being open source.
And.. wobble.. have you ever paid to play a game before? Have you any experience with a pay-2-play environment before?
Read through past events on this board. Look what happens when someone does anything that is percieved as cheating. Now.. take those posts and multiply them by about 1000 and you begin to see what happens when something goes open-source.
Also... how long would HTC have the only server if they were open source? It wouldn't be too long before someone had an AH-Free server out there.
And... well... this could go on for hours. Suffice to say its a pretty bad idea.
AKDejaVu
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rofl.
Hey HiTech. I know AH is open source and you only provide the servers now but can you stop AirMarshalGeneralismoCrackHea d from flying his TA-183 at 2,000 mph while armed with forty 75mm gattling cannon! And he can turn ona dime and change directions with no loss of "E"
Yeah, right. Open source? Nah, Open Sores is what it should really be called.
-westy
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<Betown>
There There wobble....
It's all going to be ok. Just come with us and put on this nice white backwards coat and we will make you nice and happy. We will give you all the help you need.
<Wobble>
But Mr Betown I want to make AH open source so everyone can mess with it. Wouldn't that be cool?
<Betown>
Uhh... Yeah Wobble that would be great. (turns to nurse)
Twenty CC's of Valium. STAT.
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Open Source?....ROFLMAO I can just see the Freehost thieves warming up their internet connections now to get their grubby little hands on the AH source code (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ok, now anyone cares to answer to Wobble's real question? Obviously he doesn't know what open source means... he was talking about "mod" making
, which, in a controlled manner, could be implemented as a way of having more hands working in 3d models for objects in the game, skins for planes, vehicles or buildings and so on. Just that.. a 3Dstudio to AH mesh converter and a skin editor. There is a lot of pretty good ppl around that can help nate and superfly with lesser details while they carry on w the main effort
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Wobble:
I find your idea ludicrous. Nonetheless I'm perfectly happy to give you an opportunity to show your sincerity by personally performing an act similar to what you are asking of HTC.
Please post your credit card number and billing information in this thread. With your philosophy of trust and sharing, no doubt you are certain that nobody will use your credit card unless they really need to.
Possibly after this gesture of sincerity on your part, HTC might be moved to consider your request.
Hooligan
[This message has been edited by Hooligan (edited 01-04-2001).]
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LOL Hooli !
Wobble, don't let them get to you! Just 'kill' them in the Main! <S>
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Originally posted by takeda:
Ok, now anyone cares to answer to Wobble's real question? Obviously he doesn't know what open source means... he was talking about "mod" making
, which, in a controlled manner, could be implemented as a way of having more hands working in 3d models for objects in the game, skins for planes, vehicles or buildings and so on. Just that.. a 3Dstudio to AH mesh converter and a skin editor. There is a lot of pretty good ppl around that can help nate and superfly with lesser details while they carry on w the main effort
Didn't SDOE try something called "open plane" once? A way to build planes in 3D Studio and import them?
Warbirds released a tool to allow players to paint planes and then view them, I think that would be extremely popular. I like that HTC has allowed us to map our squadron logos on the side of the plane, I wonder if we uploaded our own painted bitmaps, if we could "fly" with our own custom skins.
Kind of like Combat Mission does.
That would be great.
X2
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Yup then you would have people painting aircraft fluorescent yellow or some such colour so they could be seen a lot easier.
No thanks leave well alone its a rocky road if we are given too much input.
Btw nothing wrong with PINK cos they actually used PINK Spits in WW2 and they look so damn ugly it hurts to look at em !
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ok... lets talk about controlled "mods"... reviewed by the HTC crew for quality and suitability and then adopted for "official use" just like Med Map. Someone mentioned combat mission... it a great example of what ppl ca do just changing some textures. So, if natedog and superfly have to concentrate on new planes now... whats wrong about some talented individual out there making new paintjobs for the models we have now... its obvious some of them would benefit a lot... (compare the Hogs with th TBM for example). Theres a lot of painting for just two guys, no matter how extremely good they are.
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Actually, it doesn't really need to be open source. A programmer who wishes to contribute could write his own class ( or structure, function, etc.) for what he was wanting to do and then send it to HT and let him check it out. If done correctly it should be easily adaptable with just the passing of some variables. No need to make source code open.
Bane
13th TAS
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Ok. Now you're talking skins for aircraft/vehicles and not opening up the program for public use, nor having a player provide the whole ball of wax for modeling an aircraft. Hey. I'm all for skinning. AW has had that for over 3 years now. It's a great tool that really allows for a deeper immersion in events or when watching your films. And if folks had to paint all other aircraft pink to have an advantage,,,,well they suck so bad any how that even doing that wouldn't help them.
But. HiTech had already said, for reasons unexplained, that AH cannot allow this. Ask him why, maybe he'll give the reasons.
As for player contributions? Well. I look at it this way. AH is going to constantly move forward. Unlike EAW, Janes WWII or SDOE which are packaged, pushed out, patched and then considered history forcing players to use as is or move it along themselves. With AH I am paying for an evolving product and I like having one source (the HTC folk) to either praise in a glorious fashion for great work or squeak like a step child at for questionable modeling. It may sound real nice for WB III to have folks like Lemso build and model a Macch, it looks great, but who's flown it? Judging from the nature of the community at AGW (and it would be the same here or AW or FA) I give it three weeks before someone starts publicly whining that Lemso was too liberal with his figures and made the Macchi too good, or someone has better info with a more reliable data from some study that proves without a doubt that the Macchi FM is way off, or that iEN favours so-and-so because they will not use thier aircraft that they just took a whole six weeks to make.
Skins are one thing. But to have to use the community to bolster up a company and it's product because of layoffs and a lack of development funds is quite another.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-04-2001).]
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Ok first off a person could not cheat because the file if changed has to be run on the host's machine, otherwise you can only use it offline.
Second, the source would be for the purpose of allowing pople to change or adjust things they did not feel were accurate, Like a rollrate or maby even damage modeling, almost anything that you have herd a whine about could be changed looked ant and torn apart, HOWEVER the catch is that no matter what you edit do or anything else You will not be able to use it in MA or H2H unless HTC approves it and loades it on their server. If you try to log on to play in or even Host an H2H game it will say your version is out of date and ask you if you want to update, of coures what that "update" does is set everything you have changed back to the standatd that HTC's servers are running. You could not cheat in any way, if you had a "modded" version and tried to log on you couldent, you would have to just save the modded part and load the normal settings....Its not that complicated, try to play RS with a mod there server isnt running it will say "this game is of a different version than the one located on your machine please update" just having a different gunsight resoultion will trigger that message, try to change anything and log on to Mlagger and it will tell you you need to "update" then it will reset everything to what the servers had deemed the current version.
See what Im saying? you could changes stuff YES but unless you send it to HTC and they deem it a worthy improvement and load it on their servers You cant use it, of course if they DO load it everytone that doesent have it will be given it via the auto update.
So just get off the cheating thing, that is not a worry.
AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE IM NOT SERIOUSLY ADVOCATING THIS ITS JUST A POT STIRRER!
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keep flaming though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Great idea wobble. Just one change...
Only paying customers would get to use the mod featues. Non-paying customers would be limited to the base download.
What do you think about that?
Or.. does this fall into your "why everyone should make my on-line gaming experience as fun as possible without costing me a dime" philosophy I've seen you use in so many threads lately?
AKDejaVu
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I think the fewer grubby fingers in the pot, the cleaner the product will be.
Stay outa the kitchen on this one.
Mav
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There is no chance of this happening, but what the hell...
What Mav said. And furthermore, the only plus in this for us players would be if such a move resulted in faster game development. The pace of development in this game is already phenomenal. I think it would slow down development. Someone at HTC who is already coding for the game would have to dedicate man hours to weeding through submissions, examining code line by line, testing it to make sure it works as advertised by the submitter, and deciding whether such a mod fits with the vision that HTC has for the game.
And you have to consider the whine factor. "Hitech is an bellybutton because he didn't choose to adopt my coding mod! And I sent it to him a whole day ago!"
Sorry, I don't see where it would help at all. I can see where it would hurt a lot.
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 01-04-2001).]
[This message has been edited by Lance (edited 01-04-2001).]
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Well i figured that since i stated this I by no means though this was a good idea in the first place that it would spare me being screwed up the bellybutton buy all these titbags but i guess it didnt. I was just trying to make conversation and every sonofabith out here is trying to F*cking crucify me.
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You're a martyr!
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Neva Hapun G.I. ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
That your idea and Wobble it somewhere else!
No <S> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Thunder
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Hehe wobble...
Like ya said..... you knew it was a bad idea when you posted it... you said ya did it just to stir the pot.
Well... the pots been stirred, and people agree that it's a bad idea... Aint this what ya asked for? Whatcha complaining about?
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Better idea...
Wobble, as long as you are so quick to have HTC hand over the keys to their income and livelyhood, how about I suggest you send me a few thousand dollars? It's just as reasonable.
As to everyone just write their own code and submit it so HTC can intergrate it in as they see fit - equally ludicrous. Don't any of you guys proposing this junk know squat about programming?
I'm not saying that writing up a standard isn't possible. Nor is the thought of people writing modules that all get lumped together into a final solution. Happens all the time. But try to get a bunch of amateur, wanna-be HTC employees doing it and it would be a huge mess. What about documentation? What about integration and optimization?
Yeah. Great idea.... NOT.
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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As a rule.. you may want to avoid any "how to make this game like your favorite FPS" threads. It never goes over well with the sim world.
AKDejaVu
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"Wobble, as long as you are so quick to have HTC hand over the keys to their income and livelyhood, how about I suggest you send me a few thousand dollars? It's just as reasonable"
-PakRat
I SAID IN THE FIRST POST THATS ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA, CAN YOU READ YOU whoopee IMBICILE!?
BTW nice signature, you sick newbie diddly.
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Take a deep breath Wobble, you're turning red (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 01-04-2001).]
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New Years resolution #2 . Never respond to any post, by wobble, in any way.
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Unless you wanna see the veigns in his temple throb uncontrollably!
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-Westy
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Wobble:
Ahem...
You misspelled imbecile. When you are casting aspersions on somebody else’s intelligence, spelling errors of this sort really undercut your position IMHO.
Hooligan
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Open mouth, grab ankle, (shoe removal optional), bring ankle towards head..
nm u know the rest, not wastin any more valuable energy typing this..
AKskurj
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I hearby VOLUNTEER to DONATE time to the creation of photorealistic aircraft skins for use in Aces High! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
You should know that, though, after my post on "Aircraft Skins" in the "Aircraft and Vehicles" forum.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Wobble I know it probably doesn't help much but don't take it personally, some of the people on this forum are the most uptight I've ever talked to (watch me get flamed for posting this)
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Originally posted by Torque:
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Torque can i borrow this pplease.
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Originally posted by HaHa:
watch me get flamed for posting this)
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some of the people on this forum are the most uptight I've ever talked to
So uptight that we spend most of our time on channel 1 in the MA screaming about what plane everyone is flying? Then teeing off on HT at the first available opportunity... only to come over to here and do it some more?
Are those people you are reffering to THAT uptight?
AKDejaVu
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"It's something when an American gets flamed on an American BB by a bunch of squeaky gooks."
Go on wobble, say it - you know you want to.
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It REALLY ticks me off when those that know a lot (or a little) about computers make fun of someone who doesn't to make themselves look cool. It is OBVIOUS from the original message he DOESN'T mean open source he's talking about mods. I know very little about programing and I knew he didn't mean source. READ what he's saying a little closer before you crap on the idea. Dang guys relax a little. Everyone that plays this isn't a computer science major! It doesn't mean they don't have a good idea. Dang it people.
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 01-06-2001).]
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I for one was only messing around with my post.. Sorry if i offended you Wobble. Didn't mean to....
<S>
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Dowding, Kiss my bellybutton you squeaky gook (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You got nothing better to say that to just call me a racist, you can stick your keyboard up your ass.
I guess in the actual sense I do mean a mod sort of, just something where ya could change things you dont feel are right, try them out and if you really feel your on to something send it to HTC with a message "hi i was noticing that the turnrate on the 109xx was seemd a little strange so i changed <bla bla bla> now it seems to conform to its hostorical flight performance, see what ya think"
thats about it, that and maby tweaks on damage model and stuff.
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You mean like this?
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Jesus, Torque!
FUNNY AS HELL!!!!!!!
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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Torque, thats the funniest thing I`ve seen this year.
Possibly this decade.
<S>! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Wilfrid
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YEs dammit, thats exactly what I mean!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I tink it would be nice to have your own custom paint job, I for one would like to have my carrier bombed and look up with the 5" at a B-17 with "have a nice day" written acroos the bottom of the wings, I like the ideal of costom paint jobs, it would make everyone have "their plane" it would just make things funner, and I would LOVE to see some of the hilarious things that some of the goofballs here would come up with.
Picture This:
You spawn on the runway and in front of you is this crazy looking Nik with chrome wheels and a chain steering wheel and the pilots name un old english across the back of the canopy, as you wait for it to take off it starts bouncing up and down and tilting to one side with a bunch of rap music blaring out of its sterio (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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That pic above is from Nash the Slash I'll take no credit for it.
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Torque that is so cool. I got to get my cock pit done like that. Have WAR playing on the radio. Heavy man! LOL LOVE IT!
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Originally posted by HaHa:
Wobble I know it probably doesn't help much but don't take it personally, some of the people on this forum are the most uptight I've ever talked to (watch me get flamed for posting this)
Shut up Haha. I thought you left.
X2
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HaHa is right, not to name any names but alot of people will shoot down an idea here before putting much thought into it, THIS IDEA is an exception, It was retarded when written and still is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)