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AH1 was infested with Spits, now i see more P38s than Spits.
What's soo special with P38 now?!! I did't find any diference
same school bus ,no?
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total WAG: People are liking the nose mounted guns.
-Sik
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Originally posted by ghi
AH1 was infested with Spits, now i see more P38s than Spits.
What's soo special with P38 now?!! I did't find any diference
same school bus ,no?
If you know how to fly it, it's a monster. If you don't ... it's a school bus.
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even If you do know how too.....its still a Golly-geen bus
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People love to come and try and shoot you out of the sky thinking you are an easy kill. If they come after me thats what they will get... An easy kill.
But there are those who know how to fly the thing and can put a a very good fight.
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I'm sure the massive fuel load has something to do with it.
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p38 is still the ugliest plane in the set no fear
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It's funny....between some of us the p38 always had a mystique about it. I wanted to fly it and master it in AH1, but I could never hit the broad side of a barn in there.
All of a sudden, AH2 comes out and I can't hit the broad side of the barn in anything....except the 38.
Concerning the fuel loads, I'll be honest and say that I don't really see a huge difference from before. Before, I would have to rtb with missing parts and pieces and a lot of fuel (if I escaped). Now, I return about the same time, just a little less fuel and still fewer parts.
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Originally posted by Ecliptik
I'm sure the massive fuel load has something to do with it.
Umm if fuel is a concern... I'd fly the 51. With the new FM it stall fights amazingly.
Truly ubberized even more so now in AH2.
IMHO that is.
But wut do i know :)
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
But wut do i know :)
nuttin u damn loser :D
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I like the p38 caus its perfect for porking feilds. Dual engines allows for a loss of an engine and still make it back to base. I learned how to dogfight in AH1 in a p38. p38s are one of my favorite planes. Although im slowly converting to the 110 g2 caus towns are so big now.
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Bah! When will people discover the mossie.
The mossie is much sexier too.:)
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Belonged to P38 squad in WB's.Belong to P38 squad now in AH2.I have always liked P38.The centerline guns are nice,and it hold it's own against the late war planes..it first flew in 1939.I had a friend,who flew for the Brits early,and later for the USAAC.He flew many types of aircraft,even a few enemy planes.I asked him once what his favorite aircraft was,and without hesitating he said the P38:)
IronDog
475th Fighter Squad
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the 38 is sexy
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HMM, stats (http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php?sortby=kill_sort) say P38 is 7th in kills and (LOL) third in deaths. Dont have the answer to that, but ya'all keep up the good work with that P38='easy kill' :aok 2.9% of those kills are mine :)
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You know I have noticed that too. A lot more flying the P-38.
All of a sudden, AH2 comes out and I can't hit the broad side of the barn in anything....except the 38.
It has been a nightmare for me. I have been lucky if I get a kill for each sorte. Yet I see guys landing 5, 6, and 7 kills in my favorite ride the P-38. In AHI I was pretty confidant in the 38. Not one of the best sticks in it, but better than most. Over all I would given myself an above average pilot rating. Now in AHII I suck. I have had 3 weeks of being target fodder. Can’t hit anything. My days of tagging enemy AC at 600 yards is over. I can’t even hit them at 300. Everyone has been saying “get close”. 200 yards and open up. I have been doing this and still can’t hit anything. If I do little damage happens. This has been true of any AC I fly. Well low and behold I check my convergence just yesterday evening. Every aircraft is set at 600 yards! Well that could be part of the problem. How did that happen? Who knows. Somewhat excited with the prospect of improved gunnery I take off in a 109G6 w/gondolas. I set my convergence at 200 and don’t shoot at anything past 300. In 5 minutes I had 3 kills. :D I was quite pleased. :)
Setting your convergence makes a big difference. Just an FYI here is a shot of a P-51. Convergence is set at 200 and the target is at 200. Then the same target with convergence still at 200, but the target is at 400 yards. You can see that at 200 yards with convergence set to 200 those 6 .50’s will nicely rip things apart. Both of those were about 1 second bursts.
(http://www.332nd.org/51conv.gif)
You can see how much spread there is and the dispersement that takes place at 400. No wonder I was having problems with everything since my convergence was set at 600 yards! I did the same with the P-38 and I see little difference since the guns are already converged, but the bottom line is get close and check you convergence. I will keep working on the 38 since it is my favorite ride, but it has been very frustrating to be sure, but I think I have solved one of my major problems.
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Murdr you do great in that thing. I was having another "bad" night and noticed you landed 7 kills the other day. WTG!
I hope my convergence issue will help now that I have it set to 200 instead of 600.
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Originally posted by SLO
even If you do know how too.....its still a Golly-geen bus
... on steroids !!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
... on steroids !!!
:rofl
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OK, where`s AKAK? :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1089247322_impatient_baby_md_wht.gif)
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Flying his pee-dirty-ape, no doubt.
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Originally posted by ghi
AH1 was infested with Spits, now i see more P38s than Spits.
What's soo special with P38 now?!! I did't find any diference
same school bus ,no?
I had notived when I was playing ah1 that there was kinda of like a trend. When I first go to ah2 everybody was Flying nikis. Then I left for about 2 months come back everybody fly spit9s. And right before we left ah1 alot of guys were getting intrested with the 38 and what a good fighter plane it is.
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1. A P-38 in the hands of a good stick is an opponent to be feared.
2. A P-38 on your six is the kiss of death.
3. I can't fly a P-38. :(
But for those of us who can't fly the Twin-tailed devil, there is still the Pony D and the LA-7 :D
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i think the nose mounted guns play big part in the "emergence" of the 38 if you will. it is easier to hit nme with them, imo, and not having to worry about convergence. if flown right, you wont die, make one mistake tho....u in trouble. and it IS by far the sexiest plane out there!
~S~
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Does anybody land 30 kill sorties in AH2?
I miss that buffer... :D
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i'll be back next week lazer :D
no stick with this box....
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The P-38 has been used as a JABO ride since I've been flying AH. Its use for that purpose has been on a steady increase for the last few months. It climbs well even fully loaded, and accelerates loaded as well. This makes it attractive for those who only wish to live long enough to deliver their payload. They really don't care how well they can fight in it, they are generally on a suicide mission anyway.
There are those few who have always flown it who fly it in AH II as they did in AH I. There are some who are trying to learn to fly it who were not interested before. There have been some minor improvements in the flight model. It is still a plane best left to those who devote the vast majority of their time to it, unless survival in a fight just isn't a concern.
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been having terrible missers closer than d200
very frustrating
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I flew it because of the following:
1. It climbs pretty fast.
2. Awesome acceleration.
3. Lots of armament.
4. Centerline Guns.
5. Twin engine.
However, some do see it as an easy target. If you dont want that, fly a LaLa, at least from me. And dont fly and F6F! Your always the first one to be attacked. But now Im beginning to be less of an easy kill :) as on 190 pilot found out last night.
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When AH2 went live i could not hit hardly anything.. Now I fly with tracers off and hit very often.. hehe go figure Even landed 12 kills last night with 500/40 left for ammo.. ;)
The p38 is the sexiest plane simply for one reason.. Style! The p38 has more style than any other plane..
So, when your buzzing round the AH2 skies and think to yourself, 'hey!, im cool!!' you gotta ask yourself a few questions..
Do I have style?
Am I styling?
In the absence of a P38, both answers are deffinetly NO!!
See how that works?
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I flew it alot in AHI.
and i love this plan.
Dual Engines
Dual rudders
give you double chance to land safe and cash your kills.
It have a good climb rate with full load and desent AA fighter.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The P-38 has been used as a JABO ride since I've been flying AH. Its use for that purpose has been on a steady increase for the last few months. It climbs well even fully loaded, and accelerates loaded as well. This makes it attractive for those who only wish to live long enough to deliver their payload. They really don't care how well they can fight in it, they are generally on a suicide mission anyway.
There are those few who have always flown it who fly it in AH II as they did in AH I. There are some who are trying to learn to fly it who were not interested before. There have been some minor improvements in the flight model. It is still a plane best left to those who devote the vast majority of their time to it, unless survival in a fight just isn't a concern.
Capt'n ...
I think you hit the nail on the head. Since the fuel cannot be porked, hangers are now the target, and one of the best JABOs out there is the P-38 with 2 x 1000 lbs and 10 rockets.
Was defending a base last night and multiple P-38s came in and made one JABO run, and within 1 turn after delivery, they were dead. Most never got the chance to release their rockets.
They knew enough to get the P-38 to target, but they had no clue as to how to survive after they got to target.
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stay outta the 38 .. you boys ain't got no game :D
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Originally posted by SLO
nuttin u damn loser :D
you beat me to th punch...but I'd a been not so harsh.
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The P-38 sucks. I can't see squat out of it. I flew it because I was feeling patriotic around the 4th of July. I need centerline guns to hit anything in this game and it was either fly a Me109 or the P-38, so I did the P-38 for awhile. I can't bomb worth a hoot so after face-shearing encounters with high trees I've stopped using it for ground attack against tanks. Can make for some good fights so long as you can find an enemy and sneak up on him or stay above him.
Once I get my gunnery figured out, I'll be back in the P-51B for a bit.
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Personally, I think a lot of players were turned on to the P-38 thread after reading some posts from P-38 drivers on the uberness of the P-38.
You'll see the numbers drop in a couple of weeks as some of the 'converts' realize that the P-38 isn't all that easy to fly like the Spitfire or N1K2 and actually takes some measure of skill.
ack-ack
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I can not only fly it, but I can land as well, with kills. I can actually maintain a positive k/d ratio. I have no skill. Therefore the P-38 cannot possibly require skill.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
When AH2 went live i could not hit hardly anything.. Now I fly with tracers off and hit very often.. hehe go figure Even landed 12 kills last night with 500/40 left for ammo.. ;)
The p38 is the sexiest plane simply for one reason.. Style! The p38 has more style than any other plane..
So, when your buzzing round the AH2 skies and think to yourself, 'hey!, im cool!!' you gotta ask yourself a few questions..
Do I have style?
Am I styling?
In the absence of a P38, both answers are deffinetly NO!!
See how that works?
LOL!
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Amen brother, it's all about style :aok
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If alot guys just fly 38s cause of centerline guns. Well then they can just go fly a-20s.:p
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The thing IS a damn school bus. And there are weaknesses to the 38. Get it low and slow and its one big bellybutton target.
However, there are those few who know how to trim that sucker so well it can turn like a spit and get a nice snapshot on ya.
In my opinion, the 38 is just another big target for me to shoot down. But yes, I do fear it slightly more than any other type of plane.
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Originally posted by Mak333
But yes, I do fear it slightly more than any other type of plane.
Fear the Pilot....never the plane
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Originally posted by Mak333
The thing IS a damn school bus. And there are weaknesses to the 38. Get it low and slow and its one big bellybutton target.
However, there are those few who know how to trim that sucker so well it can turn like a spit and get a nice snapshot on ya.
In my opinion, the 38 is just another big target for me to shoot down. But yes, I do fear it slightly more than any other type of plane.
The P-38, in the hand of someone that can fly it, is extremely deadly at low speeds, especially in stall fights.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SLO
Fear the Pilot....never the plane
Have yet to fear and 'plane pixels' or 'virtual pilets'. :lol
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
the P-38 isn't all that easy to fly like the Spitfire or N1K2 and actually takes some measure of skill.
ack-ack
Easy to say when all you fly is 38.
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Two of us ( a 51 and me an La5) agin Kappa 's 38 last night. He flew it just like he did in AW..............
He was without an aileron fully flapped holding the edge......... constantly evading our bead............constantly changing his plain of flight..........constantly holding onto his slender e state.
I went loose for a few secs........came back and his 38 hung nose up pushing a manouver..........I was certain he was gonna flop out as he dropped.
But no ................I rolled over him and there he was still falling............ still holding his nose up ........I was dead in in his sights.......... I woke up in the tower.
Awsome.........
I think the 51 bugged out at that point..............probably the wisest thing to do.
I have to admit that after flying AW and AH since 96 proficiency to even a medi ocre standard in the 38 is something I can only admire from afar.
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iv never had much trouble defeating it
i do hate facing them not because of geting on there 6 but because of how strong they are i have many storys of me putting half of my 109f-4 1 20mm load unto a p38 and he still flys
P38's are great E fighters in the top of E fighters in AH2 but there not great turnfighters almost all the P38s that i killed were trying to turn then they tryed to run but found out that there P38 was not a dweeb 190d-9:rolleyes:
it seems like most flying the P38 in the main dont know what there doing
if i had to tell a LW pliot how to fly the P38 i would tell him to fly it like a 109g-6 only with better guns
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I can not only fly it, but I can land as well, with kills. I can actually maintain a positive k/d ratio. I have no skill. Therefore the P-38 cannot possibly require skill.
Depends on what you are flying against and how you are flying it. There are those who BnZ with it, that wouldnt require alot of skill IMO. But others like myself, we get out there and TnB against spits, NIKs, and whatever crosses our path.
I started flying the P38 cause I liked getting a big bird to do what a spit or NIK can. I went from one of the few P47 pilots who would turnfight with a spit9 and win, to the p38.
BTW, does anyone else feel like the p38 has a little bit of torque now? Also in alot of stalls I have experienced lately, turns into a flat spin. Then after fighting the stall it stops spinning and just falls straight down.
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Originally posted by simshell
iv never had much trouble defeating it
i do hate facing them not because of geting on there 6 but because of how strong they are i have many storys of me putting half of my 109f-4 1 20mm load unto a p38 and he still flys
You're not kidding there, I will avoid taking shots on a 38 in a furball, since I know I'm destined for the assist. Unless I'm in a 9T, then I'll take the shot, but that's pretty rare. In fact, I can only ever remember shooting a 38 in a 9T, and I was only using the .50 at the time.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Depends on what you are flying against and how you are flying it. There are those who BnZ with it, that wouldnt require alot of skill IMO. But others like myself, we get out there and TnB against spits, NIKs, and whatever crosses our path.
I started flying the P38 cause I liked getting a big bird to do what a spit or NIK can. I went from one of the few P47 pilots who would turnfight with a spit9 and win, to the p38.
BTW, does anyone else feel like the p38 has a little bit of torque now? Also in alot of stalls I have experienced lately, turns into a flat spin. Then after fighting the stall it stops spinning and just falls straight down.
I find the BnZ part easy .. its the turn-fighting that requires more of my energy (constantly trimming - flaps in/out - rudder).
Last night I was fighting 2 109s or 190s or 1 of each ... all I know is that they had a 1 a 0 and a 9 ... anyways, I attacked one of them that I had the better angle on and pinged him up on multiple passes while avoiding the other one. I finally get nose up (elevator trimmed up to the max and 1 notch of flaps) to the right for a deflection shot and send a stream that cuts his wing off. At this point I am slow but still within the boundries of stall fighting the P-38.
Number 2 is now 1K behind me and zooming up so I kick hard rudder, to swing the nose in the direction that I had established for the deflection shot, to try to get nose down under his zoom.
In the blink of an eye I am spinning counter-clockwise very rapidly. I cut throttle, kick opposite rudder, retract flaps ... I tried everything I could think of and nothing would stop the rapid flat spin. I would say that the spin started at between 3-4K and I ended up in the drink. I was pissed !!! to say the least.
I don't know if the spin was induced correctly for the conditions that I created or if I should have been able to pull out of it, but it just doesn't seem right to me ... I could be wrong.
Also, if I have trimmed for level flight and take my hand off the stick, the plane wants to yaw to the left and it doesn't matter what direction the wind is blowing.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
You're not kidding there, I will avoid taking shots on a 38 in a furball, since I know I'm destined for the assist. Unless I'm in a 9T, then I'll take the shot, but that's pretty rare. In fact, I can only ever remember shooting a 38 in a 9T, and I was only using the .50 at the time.
-Sik
Don't be afraid at this point, the P-38 tail separates from the body quite easily in AH II.
Since flying the P-38 in AH II, I can't remember a situation where I have taken fire in the rear and come away with rudder and/or elevator damage. It's either nothing or the tail comes off ... no gray zone at the moment.
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Taken from an excellent link that, I believe, straffo found that provides all the text and pictures for "Hanger Flying - complied and written for pilots - by pilots".
Lockheed produced a series of newsletters called Hangar Flying filled with tips and humorous cartoons.
========== Issue 2 ==================
The '38 is a pilot's dream-come-true when it comes to the stall characteristics. They are unusually good and-although not generally used-are worthwhile investigating so that in an emergency you will know what performance to expect from your ship. We have discovered that the power stall occurs at about 70 M.P.H. with about a 50-foot loss of altitude. The counter rotating propellers eliminate torque and there is no tendency for either wing to dip or fall away.
You will find "she" is just as steady in a power off stall with gear and flaps retracted or extended. One of the finest characteristics of the '38 is the accelerated stall. Such stalls, accompanied by normal buffeting, occur on any ship when the angle of attack is increased to the point that the airflow over the wing becomes turbulent.
As you know, this can happen in sharp turns, pull-outs or other severe maneuvers. The '38 is designed to take the buffeting of the stall and has no tendency to fall off on either wing at any altitude. If combat necessitates, you can hold it in the accelerated stall as long as you can take the buffeting -- the ship will take it much longer. To get out of an accelerated stall immediately, ease up on the stick, permitting the airflow to reestablish normal lift.
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This is not what I am finding when flying the P-38.
Here is the link ... http://www.jamesreese.org/hangarflying/index.htm
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Taken from an excellent link that, I believe, straffo found that ...
Funny it still says the same thing as when I posted it on page2 of "P38 still has problems" nitpicking the departure characteristics of the 38 under AH2 FM.
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Seriously though, for the flat spin you guys are describing, Ive found the quickest way out is through asemetrical power. ie. chop throttle, throttle up engine opposite of spin only, just enuogh to counter the spin, chop throttle and nose down. Done this in less than 2k alt. I dont have dual throttle, but I do have select eng1, eng2, and eng-all mapped to my stick. Dont know how much longer it would take using key commands.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Funny it still says the same thing as when I posted it on page2 of "P38 still has problems" nitpicking the departure characteristics of the 38 under AH2 FM.
I plead innocent !
I didn't read the this thread (a thread speaking of a non-russian/non-german/non-british plane got little interrest for me :p ) I just did found this site when searching for "accelerated stall"
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Originally posted by Murdr
Funny it still says the same thing as when I posted it on page2 of "P38 still has problems" nitpicking the departure characteristics of the 38 under AH2 FM.
I don't doubt that Murdr ... just trying to reiterate or keep it on the radar so to speak.
Originally posted by Murdr
Seriously though, for the flat spin you guys are describing, Ive found the quickest way out is through asemetrical power. ie. chop throttle, throttle up engine opposite of spin only, just enuogh to counter the spin, chop throttle and nose down. Done this in less than 2k alt. I dont have dual throttle, but I do have select eng1, eng2, and eng-all mapped to my stick. Dont know how much longer it would take using key commands.
Thats sounds good, but pretty desperate measures for recovery of a spin that should not really happen. I don't have the engines mapped to my HOTAS ... maybe I will try it
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I have recovered from flat spins by putting throttle on idle, then the nose goes down and it appears I have recovered, but when i slightly start to pull up and add a bit of throttle I spin (nose is down so its not hard to get out of that one). By this point I have lost alot of alt and when trying to pull up I hit a tree or something.
I have died more times from multiple stalls than from being actually shot down.
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yea, there are different degrees of spins. I was refering to the one that the radious point is about center between the boom and tail. That one takes a long time to get a response out of with control surfaces.
For that few seconds when the spin stops, the nose is down, and you need to pick it up fast...Ive found that lifting a majority with flaps and minimal elevator works ok for me.
I was just messin with straffo, i thought he'd find this thread :)
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LOL, Kweassa offered the same solution as I in another thread :)