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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on July 08, 2004, 02:46:28 PM
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What goes around comes around.. Both are now better than ever.
Great new issue of Hot Rod about the "revival" of the muscle car... Bad news is that pristene original numbered cars are in the 50k-2 million dollar range but...
Good news is that clones and build ups are easier than ever and... fairly cheap and it is NOTHING to have a pump gas chevelle big block with air conditioning and 500hp that will stop and handle with the best off the showroom today and... NOTHING gets attention or sounds like these things and nothing lays down a scary patch of burning rubber like em.. A time capsule that is an E ticket ride (60's disneyland for you kids).
Revolvers are back and better than ever... 12 oz 357 and 8 shot 357.... more 44's than you can shake a stick at and 480's and 454's.... they outshoot the semi autos and they are alllmost as fast... faster for the first shot . peacmaker clones are everywhere and sports for revolvers are jumping up... the most popular shooting sports right now are exclussivly or inclussivly revolver ones..
life is good.
Gonna load my 69 big block elky up with revolvers and go shooting friday.. High tech revolvers and 6 speed big blocks... I am certainly gonna enjoy it while I can.
lazs
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"Pump gas" ?
I'm unfamiliar with the term.
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pump gas is the gas that you buy at the pump as oppossed to racing gas or octane boosted or blended gas. Even the old muscle cars couldn't run on todays gas but... the new ones that are twice as reliable and put out 50% more HP will run on the current stuff sold at the pumps today that 60's lawnmowers would ping on "back in the day"
I am even starting to see more kickstart Harleys. Might dust off the old trouble head.....
lazs
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Got it. Thanx.
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ah lazs,50000k to 2mil. in 1987 i totally rebuilt a 1970 dodge charger 440 from ground up.took 2 an a half years sold it during the depression in ca, in 1994 for 8000.00.....now I know what the song crying over u means lol
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Originally posted by demaw1
ah lazs,50000k to 2mil. in 1987 i totally rebuilt a 1970 dodge charger 440 from ground up.took 2 an a half years sold it during the depression in ca, in 1994 for 8000.00.....now I know what the song crying over u means lol
No kidding. My first car (not muscle, but my son wishes I still had it):
(http://www.dotdoubledot.com/img/photos/firstcar/66mustang_1.jpg)
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Ah, muscle cars! I sure do miss my 409!
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Saw a new GTO today, I thought it was an Acura at first or something. Too much traffic to try to race him though.
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Back in '85' had a plum crazy purple dodge superbee. I damaged the front end, then sold it for $1500.00.......dumbprettythang
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not even close
(http://www.ciube.it/catalog/motori/images/Ferrari%20550%20Maranello.jpg)
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Saw a new GTO today
I sat in one at the dealers last month and they're nice. Small car with lots of power.
My first car was a 65' GTO convertible, 4-speed w/tri-power. I paid $600 for it in 72'.
;)
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You are far more likely to see an old GTO as the star of a movie or commercial than a new one... The newer cars simply lack any personality or appeal... they don't stand out... they all look pretty much the same. accura or GTO ? hell... I wouldn't know... I couldn't tell an accura from a geo even. Who cares anyway?
In the article they were talking to the big parts manufacturers and they were saying that the "tuner" trend was going down the toilet. Wheel manufacturers are making money on the old torque thrust Americans and Hallibrand clones.
The "tuner" car mags are going down the tubes.
lazs
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you had a super bee......you had a superbeee....youu haddd aaaa superr beeee and sold it for 1500 lol i fell better go get it back ill give ya 4000 for it
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I own 2 65 Rags and 1 HT:) I am starting the restoration of one rag in September now that my new house has land and a 2 car garage AND 2 car ports! I just sold the trip set up for the 65 rag, I don't like the performance with them, Unless you want to constantly reajust the watermelon every other stop light. I smashed up my van so the Goats are all i have left, I drive the HT everyday to and from work... AHHHH life is good!
So total my 3 cars =117 years old, unless you use gunman42 math then they are 107 years old, STUPID!!!!
NUTTZ
Originally posted by 2stony
I sat in one at the dealers last month and they're nice. Small car with lots of power.
My first car was a 65' GTO convertible, 4-speed w/tri-power. I paid $600 for it in 72'.
;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
The newer cars simply lack any personality or appeal... they don't stand out... they all look pretty much the same. accura or GTO ? hell... I wouldn't know... I couldn't tell an accura from a geo even. Who cares anyway?
lazs
I hear ya. Hell the new GTO is based on some Aussie car.
GM screwed the pooch on the GTO, they shoulda hired whomever is designin' cars for MOPAR to create a eye catchin' distinctive street rod.
My wife usally shakes her head and rolls her eyes as I get all excited over a classic I see rollin' down the road, and she seems a bit amazed that I can call out the year, make & model, I told her more than once it isn't hard to do with the 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's, but after that I'm pretty much confused by the sameness of them all.:(
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Nice NUTTZ! I still have the original registration for mine as a keepsake. I see HTs around occationally, but haven't seen any Conv. What is a restored 65' Conv. going for these days?
:aok
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Originally posted by milnko
...but after that I'm pretty much confused by the sameness of them all.:(
Wind tunnels are the devil! :D
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I got to sit in a 1966 AC Cobra last night. The owner finally dragged me out of the seat:D
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
I own 2 65 Rags and 1 HT:) I am starting the restoration of one rag in September now that my new house has land and a 2 car garage AND 2 car ports! I just sold the trip set up for the 65 rag, I don't like the performance with them, Unless you want to constantly reajust the watermelon every other stop light. I smashed up my van so the Goats are all i have left, I drive the HT everyday to and from work... AHHHH life is good!
So total my 3 cars =117 years old, unless you use gunman42 math then they are 107 years old, STUPID!!!!
NUTTZ
tisk tisk tisk ... come on a tripower is easy to fix .. just take the end carbs off . take out the throttle plates , file / sand them while test fitting them (hold them up to a light look for a good seal ) you may have to file or bend the tange on the linkage/spring plate stop .. (these carbs are just dumpers and you should be able to cover them with your hand while running and No rpm change )
now do the same to the center carb but this is just to get the plates nice and even , as you go thru the carb beshure the idle and power valve circuit is very clean along with polishing the mixture screws .
the biggest problem ive had with my tripower is was stoping #1 cyl from going lean at wot (wide open throttle) but a few 1/4 mile passes on some champion plugs and a jet change straightened it out . I only have to adjust the center carb if the temp changes more then 15 deg. other then that my 66 runs like a top .
now if ya really wanna play adjust carbs go get ya a nash tunnelram and dual 660 center squirters .. talk about a nightmare when the temp changes
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Originally posted by milnko
I hear ya. Hell the new GTO is based on some Aussie car.
GM screwed the pooch on the GTO, they shoulda hired whomever is designin' cars for MOPAR to create a eye catchin' distinctive street rod.
My wife usally shakes her head and rolls her eyes as I get all excited over a classic I see rollin' down the road, and she seems a bit amazed that I can call out the year, make & model, I told her more than once it isn't hard to do with the 50's, 60's, 70's and even early 80's, but after that I'm pretty much confused by the sameness of them all.:(
The "New" GTO is based off of the Holden Monaro Coupe (Austrailian). I saw my first one on the road. I dont like it for 2 reasons.
1. It's too small
2. They should have put this engine into the Solstice.
Karaya
PS- Bob Lutz, you're baffoon.
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The only two things they got right on the GTO are the fact that it's rear wheel drive and the exhaust. The note on those pipes is heaven.
Cougar
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I want to see the new dodge 300 with the hemi a luxury car that motor trend said can do the 1/4 in 13.8 at 103 mph that is 1/10 second faster that my stock 1970 road runner was and believe me it was not luxury.
oh no i hear something.... a siren...heck i forgot... any body remember a thing called speeding ticket?
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Originally posted by demaw1
I want to see the new dodge 300 with the hemi a luxury car that motor trend said can do the 1/4 in 13.8 at 103 mph that is 1/10 second faster that my stock 1970 road runner was and believe me it was not luxury.
It's a sweet ride.
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I've seriously thought about tricking out my 65 Fairlane Sport's Coupe. It's stock 289 4bbl is not bad (wish it was a K Code HiPo but oh well) and puts out enough to get the old bird off the line ok but it won't take out any true muscle cars.
I would like to take her down, plop in a crate 302 or even a big block 429 (would require some serious enging compartment work), a 4 speed toploader tranny, some decent streetable rear end gears on an 8 inch rear.
I plan on something like this after I retire, in about 10 years. Yes I plan on keeping her that long. There is something really cool about driving something that you just don't see every day. Between her and my 62 Thunderbird I get a lot of looks.
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great idea i assume you are as poor as the rest of us so i suggest something built like the boss 302 the 429 is to heavy for front end u would have spend a lot to bring it up to snuff gor handling...of course if u like j leno fix it like he did his 55 buick.... drop in 650 horse air 17 inch tires total redo lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
What goes around comes around.. Both are now better than ever.
Great new issue of Hot Rod about the "revival" of the muscle car... Bad news is that pristene original numbered cars are in the 50k-2 million dollar range but...
Good news is that clones and build ups are easier than ever and... fairly cheap and it is NOTHING to have a pump gas chevelle big block with air conditioning and 500hp that will stop and handle with the best off the showroom today and... NOTHING gets attention or sounds like these things and nothing lays down a scary patch of burning rubber like em.. A time capsule that is an E ticket ride (60's disneyland for you kids).
Revolvers are back and better than ever... 12 oz 357 and 8 shot 357.... more 44's than you can shake a stick at and 480's and 454's.... they outshoot the semi autos and they are alllmost as fast... faster for the first shot . peacmaker clones are everywhere and sports for revolvers are jumping up... the most popular shooting sports right now are exclussivly or inclussivly revolver ones..
life is good.
Gonna load my 69 big block elky up with revolvers and go shooting friday.. High tech revolvers and 6 speed big blocks... I am certainly gonna enjoy it while I can.
lazs
"Enjoy It While You Can" is right Lazs. If us Libs have our way your V-8s will be outlawed and your guns will be melted down to be cast into a bust of Hilary Clinton.
Don't worry tho, you can always play X-Box- provided we screen your games and censor those with too much violence.
It's all for your own good, Lazs- hell, if not for us you might hurt yourself.
Go enjoy it while you can.
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The new C6 is a beautiful car. I'm gonna get a z06 when they come out... must have one.
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Not trying to make this old against new thing..
My point is that there is a resurgence of interest in both Muscle cars and revolvers. Both are beasts that seemed like they had seen their day but..
Modern tech makes em better than they ever were. I have a 12 oz 357 mag that you don't even notice you are carrying.
My 468 el Camino will idle in traffic on the hottest day with the air conditioner on and still vaporize the rear tires if I put my foot into it... it has a 6 speed.. Heck, I can remember lusting for 4 speeds. It will walk away from most any modern car from allmost any sane speed. I could make it even faster if I wanted.
The old cars are movie stars. The producers of the fast and furius movies said that they go 10 times more mail about the Charger than any of the other cars.
They make for an interesting driving experiance. People notice em and they break the ice everywhere. They sound and are brutal.
Women don't drive em. They probly couldn't drive mine because of the clutch.
Women didn't drive Harleys back when they were kickstart either.
tuner car shows attendance is way down but the muscle and Hot Rod shows are thriving.
I have three cars that are so different it is crazy.
My first is my 55 Healey with a 331 11.5/1 solid stick motor with muncie and narrowed danna... it is a no doorhandles no top no windows no frills rocket.. like an old ac cobra I guess...
The other is the 69 SS elky with 468 and 6 speed and vintage air and 12 bolt... It is my daily driver and "truck"
last is a late model Lincoln Town car. It is setting under cover till next time I have to take my grand daugthter and girlfriend on a trip... It has satalite radio (couldn't hear a radio in the other cars) and it is like taking your house out for a drive comfort wise.. it even gets 20-25 mpg.
I enjoy driving all of em for different reasons.
I have had to drive peoples FWD cars once in a while and it is allways painful.
lazs
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Can't tell the 12oz .357 is there when you carry it eh, but that weight tells me you get bruised by it when you spend an afternoon with it at the range :)
When I'm not flyin this is what takes my free time:
(http://www.edbert.net/images/bumperonsmall.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/2004/eng2.jpg)
Expecting a 12 flat on regular unleaded and street tires, and it has the whoa to go with the go.
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edbert... your car is exactly what I am talking about. It is childs play to get 450 hp out of that motor and have it idle all day with the air conditioner on (get a vintage air system you won't be sorry)
the mustang can stop as well as any car you can buy with the brakes on the market... It will outhandle allmost anything with garage installed parts.
the original car couldn't.... it was slow or... a factory hot rod that was finicky and overheat prone and couldn't stop or go around a corner for crap or... it rode like a flatbed truck.
you can have 5 or 6 speeds that are bulletproof or an auto with overdrive... no longer do you have to choose between acceleration and top speed or cruise at 4000 rpm.
you might not get a flat 12 on street tires tho unless you go to nittos or the really large goodyear drag radials.
And... the 12oz 357 is not for range work. I have 1000 rounds of 125 grain federals for the gun and they will last a lifetime... my 44's shoot up that many in a couple of months.
You can buy crate engines with 700 dependable carburated HP these days. Complete bulletproof rears... Blower systems are getting affordable. Even efi is simple to put on the older cars.
but ed... I don't think kerry would approve of your car. I like it tho.
lazs
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You like that C6 Steve? I'm so undecided about that. Some angles I think it looks ok, but from others... Hate the no pop up lights, and the intereior looks too luxury. Going to be out of my price range anyway. I'm looking for either a 69 big block coupe, or a 1970 LT1 coupe, prefereably the 70. A 2002 ZO6 wouldnt be bad either if I could find a deal, but I love the Shark style :)
Those C6's are sure going to lay down the rubber though. Cant wait to see the numbers from the preformance model!
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I had a 59 vette and liked it. I drove a lot of 63-67 vettes.
They make a complete c5 conversion for early (56-60) vettes.
you can build a 59 that will do everything better than a new vette if that is what you want. And... you won't have to wander around the parking lot clicking your key fob to tell which one is yours
I like new vettes but they are not really relevant in this discussion.
lazs
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Yea I've seen the C5 conversion kits on the older styles. I wouldnt do that for 2 reasons though. If I wanted a 59 to do what a C5 can, the $$$ would be crazy, in the conversion I read about it was anyway. The second is, I love older cars in their original shape. I could never tear apart a 59 that much. Only changes I would ever make are ones that could be reversed. Just my preference. You are right about the older car styles though, the new ones dont even compare. 63-67 are great but the $$$, wow! Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky.
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Originally posted by lazs2
edbert... your car is exactly what I am talking about. It is childs play to get 450 hp out of that motor and have it idle all day with the air conditioner on (get a vintage air system you won't be sorry)
-much snippage-
but ed... I don't think kerry would approve of your car. I like it tho.
I should have about 425 at the flywheel, and I made MANY compromises for driveability. It will have over 350 foot pounds of torque when the converter kicks in at 2800, and yes it has over drive, and the torque curve will stay at or near 400 all the way up to 5,500RPM. Add to that a bulletproof 9" rear with 3.89 gears, and 13" power disc brakes, gas shocks, progressive springs, subframe connectors and a rollbar (it is a convertible)...this thing will out accelerate a Boss429 of the day and out handle out stop a Corvette of the day (thought not Steve's C6 ). It'll idle a little rough (cam profile) but not like the old Cobra Jets, it wont need a tune-up every month or two (full MSD ignition). 12 flat will be the extreme limit without DRs you are right, the trick is in the cal-trac bars though, those babies HOOK:D
Regarding the Kerry comment...just another reason to have/want a hot rod IMHO.
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Originally posted by demaw1
great idea i assume you are as poor as the rest of us so i suggest something built like the boss 302 the 429 is to heavy for front end u would have spend a lot to bring it up to snuff gor handling...of course if u like j leno fix it like he did his 55 buick.... drop in 650 horse air 17 inch tires total redo lol
I probably will stick with a small block, either a 302 or a 351W. There are some crate engines in that size that put out close to 500hp and still will get you at least palatable gas mileage. If I dropped a big block into the thing you are right, I would have to cut the shock towers, add heavy duty springs and redo the mounts but I expected that.
Actually, a year before, in 64 they crammed a 427 side oiler in the Fairlane. While cool it was built strictly for drag racing and I plan on driving this car. I saw a top loader for sale on E-bay, am so close to placing a bid. Wife would shoot me though.
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Lazs ...
Ever watch that show on TLC called Overhaulin' ?
The re-did a '77 El Camino for this surfer guy on the West Coast. All done is 7 days !!!
THE WORK DONE ON THE VEHICLE:
Chip Foose designed, one-off hood
Re-blocked, modified body
Custom paint with graphics from Santini's
New tires and Foose wheels
Sound system by Alphasonik and DVD player
Stitchcraft interior with racing seats
Custom surfboards created by Tyler Hatzikian on a one-off aluminum bed cover with stainless steel surf racks
Brand-new engine from Guaranty Chevrolet with Nitrious by Edelbrock
Restoration parts from Original Parts Group and polished off by Winner Circle show detailing
BUILD LOCATION: Stitchcraft Custom Interiors, Huntington Beach, Calif.
Here is a link so you can see the before and after picture.
It is one sweet ride.
http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/overhaulin/episode/episode104/episode104.html
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slap... it is neat that there are shows like that but what they do is not really what I am into. Mostly they are building show cars. Nothing wrong with that and they are neat cars but I really like what edbert is doing a lot more. I would rather spend an hour in his garage than own the whole series of that show on dvd.
ed.. you can get new fe crate motors now that put out 600 hp and weigh not much more than your motor. when yu get to 13" rotors stopping is all tire and weight distribution anyhow.
I have all bilstein and hotchkiss susspension parts on the elky. I can't run regular even with 9.5 to one. you may be surprised that you won't be able to either. Not if you want a decent ignition curve. My 468 puts out a lot of torque and the Hp is ok with the sorta lumpy howards cam.
Why did you put an auto in the car? left leg broke?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ed.. you can get new fe crate motors now that put out 600 hp and weigh not much more than your motor. when yu get to 13" rotors stopping is all tire and weight distribution anyhow.
Thats a 351W that replaced a 289. The 351 weighs within 10 pounds of that lil ole 289, due to aluminum heads and intake. I have done a lot to take weight off but ended up adding much of it back. What I DID improve was the distribution, this thing is no where near ideally balanced but most of the weight came off the front and was put into the rear, and the vast majority of the weight I added is blow the center of gravity (which was itself lowered).
Originally posted by lazs2
Why did you put an auto in the car? left leg broke?
The car originally came with an auto, it was much easier to keep it that way. Plus this thing is a cruiser not a sports car. My 97 Cobra (daily driver) has a stick if I ever feel the urge to row:)
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I hear ya ... but typically, these cars are their everyday ride so they aren't done for going to shows to win trophies.
I like the fact that they are taking some of the classics and putting them back together, better than when they were new. The job they did on a Chevelle was incredible. Reminded me of my high school days seeing muscle cars such as that one and the El Camino.
Wish I still had my AMX !!!
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ed... in my Healey the weight distribution is about 50 50 but with a 90" wheelbase it is kinda moot anyhow. guys running small block fords in em complain the front is too light.
I like the things you have done but really do think the auto spoils it but that is a personal thing.
my elky big block needs alluminum heads but is still lighter than the old 396 that was in there originally. headers probly saved 50 lbs alone and the starter maybe 20...
I am not a purist. I like the old bodies and rear wheel drive but will modify anything I think will be better or I can afford..
lazs
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I finally gathered enought money (read by this all my bank account) to bring my Formula getting painted yesterday :D :D :D
and re:D
Oh and the 1972 grand Tomato is out of the paint shop, new chromes, Wx strips and getting the interior redone from scratch
:cool:
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I like new vettes but they are not really relevant in this discussion.
Lazs, you made a point about modern cars, I countered w/ the comment about the C6, ergo it was relevent.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I finally gathered enought money (read by this all my bank account) to bring my Formula getting painted yesterday :D :D :D
and re:D
Oh and the 1972 grand Tomato is out of the paint shop, new chromes, Wx strips and getting the interior redone from scratch
:cool:
pics! :)
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Noody will ever call my car a muscle car.
It is a Buick
It is brown...inside and out
Hood ornament
4 doors
Bench seats, whitewalls, partial wheel skirts
2 ton plus curb weight empty
real spare tire
oh, and a corvette engine
Not a muscle car...but not bad at all for a daily driver sedan. It will run the 1/4 in the low to mid 15's. Beats the punks in their ricers and V-6 Mustangs/Camaros, which is good enough for me. Plus nobody looks twice at it which is a good thing where I live (flashy cars tend to get trashed quickly)
For some reason it annoys the crap out of those kids when their trendy rice rocket is beaten by a brown land yacht. They frequently signal that "I'm number one" :)
J_A_B
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cars like that are called sleepers
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Friend had a Plymouth Fury III with 440 Super Commando; Painted all shiny black, including grill and bumbers, and plenty of Mopar power. Nice car.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The "New" GTO is based off of the Holden Monaro Coupe (Austrailian). I saw my first one on the road. I dont like it for 2 reasons.
1. It's too small
2. They should have put this engine into the Solstice.
Karaya
PS- Bob Lutz, you're baffoon.
Bit backward innit?? Aussie cars have been 'based' on American designs ever since the end of WWII pretty much.
The Monaro Coupe is just a two door version of the Holden Comodore, which is basically an Aussie adaption of a Buick design.
Even back when we did have real muscle cars, they were adaptions of American designs, the king of them all, the Falcon GTHO Phase III was pretty much a four door version of the Mustang when it came right down to it.
The original Monaros had a hell of a lot in common with contempory Chevys too.
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Ok steve... the new vettes look good. They don't look like every other car including a camaro or firebird. They look just like old muscle cars and you get to pick the color if you are lucky.
Driving the lincoln yesterday to pick up my grand daughter made me realize how invisible most of us are on the road.
People will wave at me and I have no Idea who they are. When they complain later that they waved I will say, "what were u in?" they say "the siver honda" or toyota or whatever.. I was in a 69 SS el camino or 55 Healey. How would I see em? I don't know a honda from a nissan.
I have noticed that new cars are starting to go out on a limb styling wise just to be a little different.. just to stand out even a bit from the melted look.
On sleepers.. One of my favorite cars was my high school car. A 57 chevy bussines coupe 2 door post with steelies and a 394 olds motor with tripower... All junkyard stuff but that car would run in the low 14's or even high 13's once .
lazs
lazs
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Some members of our leisure-club used to build some crazy cars; Some were old Toyota Corollas stripped from all extra weight and powered by 1,5 and 1,6 liter engines with kick-butt turbochargers.
Engines lasted maybe 100km before they blew to pieces due the enormous boosts guys were using but 'till then cars did run pretty fast.
First and second gear were useless, with 3:rd gear the car begun to accelerate when RPMs reached 3k and at 4k people begun to be scared :D
Their motto was "Ahdin määrää Tahdin"; kinda hard to translate but basically it says "Tempo (or rhythm) forced/dictated by Supercharger.
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I'll Nuke, will show before/after :)
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Ok steve... the new vettes look good.
Lazs, reel it in dude. I am with you on old American Muscle. I love the old stuff... I even wanted an elky to tweak but my wife really had a fit about it so I decided it wasn't a battle worth winning. I'm partial to the old camaros .. olds 442's.
A friend of mine had an old AMX that I really dug.
I was merely commenting that the c6's looked good, relative to your comment about how thre were no newgood looking cars(or something like that). I'm NOT saying the new c6 is better than old muscle.