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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SKurj on November 25, 2000, 03:42:00 PM
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SKurj has 13 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.
Doesn't look like it from my POV...
AKSKurj
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Vulch kills while they are on the runway dont count, take them out 1st :P
Whels
Originally posted by SKurj:
SKurj has 13 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.
Doesn't look like it from my POV...
AKSKurj
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How do u explain that I get a 3-5 kill run when I fly them straigth in a furball and I often get 1 kill when I do same with P47?
I niki, I fear nothing. Higher, lower, faster, bigger guns whatever I don't mind.
I don't mind because the Niki will forgive any of my mistakes, it's "point and click" flying. The guns are great, only 2-3 pings and I ripp or heavily damage my target(S). Most of my kills are opportunity shots and not really aimed/planed shots.
Take a .50 type of plane and see how long u need to spray a bandit to break something.
If you don't feel Niki is not so great, fly some over plane for a while (P47, 109G10, pony...) and come back to the niki. it's impossible not to feel a difference. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Them nikis can be a pain in the ass...its a late war plane right? 1944/45?? how bout you give the other countrys each a plane from that era. IMHO the niki takes no skill at all I was having a realy bad day in AH one time had only got like 2 kills then went in a niki and got 7 kills in a furball in about 15 minutes.
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SKurj has 13 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.
Doesn't look like it from my POV...
AKSKurj
UH-HUH your POV is from the F4U1C {another dweeb plane} more than any other,why don`t you get in the jug and fly a comparable number of sorties-I`ll bet the scores are skewed the other direction.
Both <dweebC&niki> are point and click killers with generous E retention,your stats don`t mean dick.
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I found a good pilot in any aircraft is a good pilot.
A smart pilot in any aircraft is a smart pilot.
Normally, I'm none of the above (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ..My point is, It's not the plane..It's the pilot.
Well, that's my 2 cents anyway...Now donning my proximity gear. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ozark
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332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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N1K2-J is terribly slow for a 1945 fighter, at least above 10k. Just run away if you don't like it.
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My POV
I fly the Niki and p-47 exclusively..
Tuor 10 sofar..
NUTTZ has 27 kills and has been killed 18 times in the p-47d 30 against the Niki
NUTTZ has 22 kills and has been killed 18 times in the p-47D 30 against the Chog
NUTTZ has 34 kills and has been killed 12 times in the P-47D 30 against the Spit IX
NUTTZ has 5 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Niki agaisnt the P-47D 30
NUTTZ has 6 kills and has been killed 12 times in the Niki against the Chog
NUTTZ has 18 kills and has been killed 9 times in the Niki against the spit IX
Somebody really Has to prove to me What plane is "UBER" If you asked me to pick one I would have to say The JUG,,LOL,, Until then Your Whining up the wrong tree.
NUTTZ
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I don't throw in my 2 cents on FM issues because, well, I don't have the slightest clue what I'm talking about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
That being said... I seem to leave every fight with a Niki shaking my head in disbelief at what just happened.
Something just seems *off*... can't put my finger on it, but mostly related to its zoom or E retention... something...
Don't even know why I'm posting this useless bit of personal experience. If it hits the numbers across the board, then it's fine.
It *does* hit the numbers....right?
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I fly the Niki and p-47 exclusively..
You have chosen two very different planes to fly on on a regular basis Nuttz. Let me guess: You use P47 when attacking a field, you start heavy taking out ack and groundtargets and when you are light you end up vulching the guys taking off arent you?
You use Nikki when you defend your field against vulchers arent you?
This is reflected very well in the numbers you show us. Numbers like that tells nothing about the planes strenght, more about how the plane is used.
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GrinBird
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"kirin has 23 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Fw 190A-8 against the N1K2."
Numbers like that don't tell the whole story... Every dweeb flies a N1K2 in this tour (probably the same guys who flew A5 in last version) - you can kill them, no doubt. But they reflect a much greater danger in the N1K2 than in any other plane.
As many said, when fighting a N1K2 you never know what happens next... it's a bag of wonders... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Don't get me wrong, the N1K2 was a very good plane in previous versions as well and someone who mastered it was very deadly but now it just requires little skill to get many kills in it. Its E-retention let's me wonder again and again...
my 2 Rappen
[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 11-25-2000).]
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all i know is
I fly p47-d30 and 109g10 almost exclusively...
and i suck at both.
LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Kronos
CO No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"
http://members.home.net/wchiasson/no272/
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My scoring against N1K2s would be fairly much of those where I had advantage over N1K2.
If I see high N1K2 and I am his only target - I'll run more likely than die for such dweeb.
Other planes can come in from advantage and kill themself if they wish to..
Ps. in 1.04, I liked more having advantage enemy on my 6 than one coming in my 12 (head on.. avoid), because they were/are easier to kill.
I flew N1K2 just few times to test, it was awesomely easy to fly and I didn't even have to watch the speed gauge for stalling or bad maneuvers.
Also those cannons performs quite well, doesn't seem as lousy as MG151/20 or ShVAK
So.. all in all, most N1K2 kills would be kills of opportunity for me, because I sure feel my chances poor against N1K2, if its pilot isn't complete newbie.
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AKSKurj has 1 kill and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1C against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 2 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Bf 109G-6 against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 3 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 109G-2 against the N1K2
AKSKurj has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 109G-10 against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the Fw 190A-8 against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Typhoon IB against the N1K2.
SKurj has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times in the F4U-1C against the N1K2.
SKurj has 3 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
SKurj has 3 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Typhoon IB against the N1K2.
SKurj has 2 kills and has been killed 2 times in the A6M5b against the N1K2.
Hmmm? What was that? me a vulcher? a chog driver?
AKSKurj
Hehe can't hit anythin in N1K2 ..
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roflmfao... flight sim junkies having a flame war, thats gotta be the funniest thing ever. MMORPG guilds/players flaming i could understand... but flight simmies?
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Well, went and checked my stats for this tour in me Typhoon against N1K2
Wardog has 20 kills and has been killed 4 times in the Typhoon IB against the N1K2.
And me Typhoon against F4U-C1
Wardog has 25 kills and has been killed 12 times in the Typhoon IB against the F4U-1C.
As most know i fight the fight, i dont play the alt monkey thing like Fishu and Ram, i actually pay to fight and not fly at 30k buring fuel then rtb to base.
So exactly, where is the problem with the N1K2 or F4U-C1 for that matter?
Adjust, Overcome, Adapt...
Please stop the whing and let HT get on with the code. I wana see me PT boat this year sometime..
For good measure..
Tour 9
Wardog has 236 kills and has been killed 95 times in the Typhoon IB.
Tour 10
Wardog has 183 kills and has been killed 88 times in the Typhoon IB.
Started of tour 10 badly field defending, but think it will even itself out.
Dog out.........
[This message has been edited by Wardog (edited 11-25-2000).]
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I honestly dont know if the Niki or F4c are incorrectly modeled as ive never flown in one in RL.I think the problem i perceive is that the 20mm guns on the f4c are like lasers and are so easy to kill with it almost boring! the niki I have no problem with to be honest but now ive flown it less because everyone calls it a dweeb plane and so getting kills in it have less reward for me.
I think the 20mm on the 190 is a lot harder to hit with(only my perception) and doesnt seem to destroy planes so easily but i'll still fly it as its the aircraft i like the most. (+ most other LW planes)
This doesnt mean everyone else has to fly them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) they pay to fly whatever they like.
i just wished there was more variety of opponent aircraft. Tonight i flew to 31 and saw 3 spits and 4 nikis and it was a little bit dull (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
hazed
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I'm wondering if this will still be something to argue about once HTC tweaks the dispersion model a tad bit. It would be nice to see what 6 .50's could do when they are actually converging.
AKDejaVu
[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 11-26-2000).]
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Tour 9:
AKSWulfe has 29 kills and has been killed 8 times in the fw190A-5 against
the N1K2.
Tour 8:
Killed nor was killed by an N1K2 in the Fw-190A5
Tour 7:
AKSWulfe has 8 kills and has been killed 0 times in the fw190A-5 against
the N1K2.
Tour 10:
AKSWulfe has 8 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-47-D30 against
the N1K2.
Tour 9:
AKSWulfe has 45 kills and has been killed 16 times against the N1K2.
Tour 10:
AKSWulfe has 10 kills and has been killed 4 times against the N1K2
Anyway, derive what you want from that.. don't care I just felt like throwing around some stats to feel like a big man like ya'll..... <BFG>
-SW
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SKurj,
stats dont tell everything. They are misleading. I really wonder how people (who call other whiners) can throw stats on the table. Its amazing.
I usually have a good k/d against NIKIs but I consider them the deadliest fighter in the arena, much more than the F4U-1C (Torque apart).
A good arena is a balanced arena, good Flight Models are not enuff.
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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights (http://www.4stormo.it)
Macchi C.202's sting (1,9MByte film) (http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/breda.avi)
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Ki-84-Ib will kill all N1K2-J whines dead.
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From what I've read on this board, 9 out of 10 planes in the air are either Niks or CHogs....therefore, they must be overmodeled, cause EVERYONE is flying them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fury
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Tour10:
Mitsu has 9 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
Tour9:
Mitsu has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
Tour8:
Mitsu has 9 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
Tour7:
Mitsu has 20 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
Not too bad.
Tour9:
Mitsu has 22 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1C against the N1K2.
Uber vs Dweeb...
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Tour9:
Mitsu has 43 kills and has been killed 6 times in the N1K2 against the N1K2.
Dweeb vs Dweeb...
-Mitsu
[This message has been edited by Mitsu (edited 11-26-2000).]
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Originally posted by Wardog:
As most know i fight the fight, i dont play the alt monkey thing like Fishu and Ram
ROFLMAO!!!!
I dont know fishu. But for sure I dont play the "alt monkey thing" like you call it.
If you understand that go at 15K with a Fw190 is to be an alt monkey, that is.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
LOL you seem to have a fixation with me, man. Take it easy, a cup of coffee will help.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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All these numbers....you gotta reconize where they are coming from.
Because the NIK is an easy pane to fly, lots of newbies will fly it - the only reason the numbers aren't higher is because something is odd with those UFO's.
I got a 32-6 record vs the N1K - they always seem to catch me low and slow in the 190A8.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Let me see if I got this straight..... Guys are complaining about the nik because it can enter a furball and get kills by turning and climbing a lot better than a P47 can?
lazs
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Originally posted by GrinBird:
I fly the Niki and p-47 exclusively..
You have chosen two very different planes to fly on on a regular basis Nuttz. Let me guess: You use P47 when attacking a field, you start heavy taking out ack and groundtargets and when you are light you end up vulching the guys taking off arent you?
You use Nikki when you defend your field against vulchers arent you?
This is reflected very well in the numbers you show us. Numbers like that tells nothing about the planes strenght, more about how the plane is used.
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I fly the p-47 on patrol, I doubt flying it exclusively i would have 100% oppertunity of vulching. But your reply answers the core of the "uber" debate. Use the planes strenghts, and exploit your enemies weakness. You CANNOT fly the same plane for all occassions, and expect to triumph 100% of the time.
NUTTZ
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I took today off from field with a6m becouse there were many enemies IB close and lo.
F4U-C comes to HO, i immelman to hes 6 so im abt 500d. He starts getting speed adv. and im about to break.
Suddenly hog starts to turn heavily right so i go for wiping my arse with it..=)
I turned 360...And no still at 500...Turned 360 right after that..Still abt 400 and no closure..When i went to other 180 MY ZEKE STARTED TO STALL!!
I had very very hard time keeping it lead to f4u as he kept TURNING FOR CRISSAKE!!
Nearly when i was starting to go for ground f4u straightened..At 200d..Well i killed him then..
I rolled few times my eyeballs and tought..Was that the 5000 pounds rock or UFO?
I still dont know answer to that, because i didnt tape it since i was so amused..
Theres surely something wrong in yanks heavy plane section.
The 180 flip overs with f4u are absurd too. torque once did 3 of them in very short time for HO:ing me.
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I fly the p-47 on patrol, I doubt flying it exclusively i would have 100% oppertunity of vulching. But your reply answers the core of the "uber" debate. Use the planes strenghts, and exploit your enemies weakness. You CANNOT fly the same plane for all occassions, and expect to triumph 100% of the time.
You get me wrong Nuttz I wasnt saying that using the planes that way was wrong I do it myself. Light plane for defending and heavy plane for attacking fields, I do the same thing nothing wrong with that. My point is that those roles are reflected in your stats.
For me its not the question if the N1K is über or not, its the question if the N1K is modelled wrong. In version 1.03 the N1K was a very good plane, by changing the flightmodel in version 1.04 it became completely different, and definitely seems to have some serious flaws in flightmodel. I really wish ppl would start discussing that instead of whining and flaming.
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GrinBird
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Originally posted by SKurj:
SKurj has 13 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
AKSKurj has 9 kills and has been killed 3 times against the N1K2.
Skurj,
I don't often get to fight nikis as most of them run when faced with a 1 v 1 fight. My stats are 3 - 2 against nikis, however, when I'm in:
Niki 19 - 9
P51 14 - 7
Yak 12 - 7
C Hog 4 - 3
Stats reflect more what type of mission you are doing. For me Niki is furball plane, P51 and Yak are for ranging 1 v 1 or wingman missions while F4 is for Jabo. Interesting hmmm...
MHO: Nikis are no more Uber than any other plane. Just gotta know where to use them...
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nobody likes to be killed by 1 ping...
it's guns, not the plane.
And statistic shows nothing - personally i run away from niki's, except we are 1vs1, in this way i am not killed by n1k2's.
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What I am curious about is:
If HTC themselfs think there is something wrong with the N1K2 (and maybe others) E-retention. After all it's there game and they can do what they want. Things being realistic or not is a futile discussion since only few of us flew those planes in WW2... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Just wonder what HTC thinks on that issue!
[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 11-26-2000).]
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Well I guess all I am tryin to say is..
I see more p51's, spits and typhoons than N1K2's
SKurj
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Originally posted by SKurj:
I see more p51's, spits and typhoons than N1K2's
cc and the nikis you usually see are dweeb pilots and aren't a threat.
So everybody please take a few deep breaths and RELAX about the niki.
Enjoy the flying...
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Welp, I skipped reading most of this thread, looked like the usual stuff. I checked my score against nikki's, and it confirmed what I was thinking. Nikki's are usually just food, plain and simple. Whats the big deal?
hblair has 27 kills and has been killed 7 times against the N1K2.
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Dunno .. i'll just throw some stats in FWIW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Tour 10
Duckwng6 has 16 kills and has been killed 6 times in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
Duckwng6 has 8 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1C
Duckwng6 has 15 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-1D against the Spitfire Mk IX.
Tour 9
Duckwng6 has 15 kills and has been killed 2 times in the F4U-1D against the N1K2.
Duckwng6 has 19 kills and has been killed 1 time in the F4U-1D against the F4U-1C.
Duckwng6 has 27 kills and has been killed 3 times in the F4U-1D against the Spitfire Mk IX.
Don't see that many F4Us flying around at all actually...
and yea the Nikis got so much more dangerous in thelast tour .. FOUL !!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
DW6
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Well I just got my sorry but chastised by Jekyll for flying a Fantasy plane (N1k2-j). I did manage to knock down his p51 sevreral times with it and I think he was upset (otherwise he just hates my guts)
I will admit it turns a little to good. but dam I spent a monthy learning the stupid thing. Ive spent twice as long learnign the f4u just to watch a zeke climb with me from take off to 25k. I had wep on he didn't.
I have researched the george in many of its revisions and even talked to people who flew it. It was a dam good plane (do not confuse a n1k2-j with a n1k1-j) probably one of the best of wwII if not the best. IF HTC wanted to make it perfectly accurate they would have to change the gun loadout to 450 rnds per inner gun 400rnds per outer gun. Model the autoflaps turn its turn rate, e retention down just a little, give it alot of torque (had the same problem as the f4u it was an ensighn eliminator) and the air craft would be perfect. just modeling the autoflaps is probably a nightmare.
I like the n1k2 Its still not the perfect aircraft the only thing it is good at is dogfighting and defcap. Ide still rather fly my f4u1c for assualt and barcap. each aircraft is suited for a roll the n1k2 doesn't do everything well (dive with it from 15 to 5k and pull up hard). but if a zeke can climb with a hog on take off and a hogs top level speed is 300kias then its not the only plane with bad model. I will give HTC this much at least they got away from the Air warrior air craft comparison modeling that alot of flight sims haven't. It's buggy It's new it's still better then warbirds and Air warrior.
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Mayhem 33rd S.G.
"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"
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I think you folks have mis-understood the concept of "prove it"
Quoting kill stats or analogies will not prove anything. If you think something is wrong with the N1K2's flight model, then the only way to prove it is to do some testing. Test it's climb, speed, turning ability, and E retention. Then try and get some documentation to compare your numbers to. If your numbers in the game don't match what the documentation says, then we can ask Pyro for an explanation. If the tests show an error, I know Pyro will take care of it, as he has in the past.
Until you do some testing and get some hard data from the AH flight model, you are just pissing in the wind. If you think something is wrong and want it fixed, do the tests. Otherwise you are just whining IMHO.
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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Thankyou Lephturn,
That was exactly the type of information I was hoping to find buried in this thread. But to no avail. Is there a sylabus/checklist for testing A/C performance that is agreed upon for garnering usefull data? ie, take plane "X" to 10,000' with 50% fuel load and execute such and such maneuvers, document/film, next set of manuevers etc?
JimBear
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I try to keep my self playing by thinking about 1.05 but im realy close to hitting that "button" again.
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SKurj, I don't doubt your sincerity. Maybe you're flying against countries where N1K,s chogs and Spits aren't that usual. But look at the stats!
The F4U-1C has 11463 kills and has been killed 7788 times.
The N1K2 has 8372 kills and has been killed 7739 times.
The Spitfire Mk IX has 9554 kills and has been killed 9366 times.
The P-51D has 6777 kills and has been killed 6632 times
The Fw 190A-8 has 2285 kills and has been killed 1761 times.
In the MA, chogs, Spits and then N1's are still most popular.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
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Yeah Santa, but it doesn't really matter what is the most popular. At least it's more than just all Spits. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Every game goes through this. As more and more planes are added, it becomes less and less of an issue in my experience.
JimBear,
I would suggest posting in the Aircraft & Vehicles forum if you want some hints. If you have some kind of test in mind, there are a few guys around who have experience doing them. I'm sure they'll be glad to have another hand willing to help run the tests and will be glad to help you get the framework you need for running tests and collecting data. Start a new post in that forum and I'll throw in there if I can help. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) That forum is normally where the folks with the hard data to compare things to tend to hang out as well. <G>
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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In the MA, chogs, Spits and then N1's are still most popular.
And your point is? How many planes have to be "most popular" before the whining stops.
Remember when it was just the F4u-1C? Remember when the thread title was "All I see are c-hogs" or "all I see are dweebfires". Now its "All I see are CHogs... and N1K2s... and SpitFires... and P-51s... and G-10s..."
Oh.. yeah.. The Bf 109G-10 has 5474 kills and has been killed 4542 times. I guess it should rank higher in your opinion? In your opinion.. what plane SHOULD people be flying?
Certain planes will always be favored. There will always be un-eveness in the arena. The only way to avoid that is to make it a one aircraft arena.
Right now.. the top 3 aircraft come from 3 different countries. It could be alot worse.
AKDejaVu
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Dejavu, you opinionated allied opportunist (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
My point is that there are plenty of them around, more than P-51's. SKurj said that in his experience, this was not the case.
So I did what everyone asks for in these matters; I got the numbers out.
All allieds must die, and will do so. Even that Jesus dude; i figure if we just kill him enough, eventually he'll grow tired.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
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Lephturn
My post was aimed at the whiners!!
It was intended to prove that this super duper, Uber, only thing seen by most in the MA, N1K2, is the figment of peoples' imagination, almost a form of mass hysteria.
If there were clouds of N1K's in the MA I would have more kills and been killed more times by the N1K. If it is sooo Uber I would have been killed by it more than my stats show. I am in the MA 20-40 hrs a week, so I think my stats are relevant.
AKSKurj
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I used to fly the N1k2 a lot, just for the pure firepower. 4x20mms do a lot with just a snap shot. I stopped flying it as my regular ride because it I found it just too damn slow to egrees and land my kills.
P38s and F4Us caused me a lot of trouble, and the N1k2 barely pulls more sustained G's than a P38 or F4U (about 3.1 vs about 2.8 with the stall horn going at around 160mph IAS at sea level -- try it offline!), but has inferior level acceleration. I've consistently gotten into one-turn fights below 200mph against both, and could never pull enough lead to hit, then the pilot would level out and accelerate away. If I'm lucky I could hit at 700yds and take something important off as they extend (again, those 4x20mm). And really, wallowing about 150 mph no matter how many G's the airframe can generate is wallowing about at 150mph - a slow target: it just means I can get shot in the face instead of the bellybutton (which happened alot in sustained turn fights and scissors in 2:1 engagements).
It's got piss poor roll and pitch authority (like the spitfire) above 250mph where P51's, P38's and Typhoons cruise at, making a clean shot against a aware adversary difficult (but again, a single ping with those 4x20mm is all ya need).
I've taken out a fully functional N1k2 in a La5N missing half my elevator, just by staying fast above him (having half the elevator missing helped conserve A LOT of energy each pass). I've even out scissored a N1k2 [and Spitfires] in a high speed dive in a C.205.
It takes balls to NOT turn hard against a N1k2 (or Spitfire) screaming down and closing on your aircraft when you're already at top speed: but remember this, they can't maneuver well if they're closing on you like that. They DO hold energy well in a level run, and the WILL close to firing range, but they will be going 300+mph and CAN'T keep his guns on you if you *gently* twitch out of the plane of his guns. They *WILL* begin to slow down as they pull G's trying to stay on you [they always have to pull MORE G's than you to get a guns solution, thus burn more E than you], and *WILL* fall back. You just need the balls the look out the back window, see him at 200 yards[!], and roll and pull (gently!) to get out of the plane of his guns(and occaisionaly do a cheap negative-G twitch - but that's another thread). Every so often look back and slowly (*excruciatingly slowly*), the range numbers will slowly stop decreasing, and start increasing. I've done it. Most exciting damn thing I've ever done... and I get away... most of the time. I do it in my new favorite ride --the La5N -- all the time. It's a blast (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Niki is Pony Food! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
ice has 21 kills and has been killed 3 times in the P-51D against the N1K2.
Cyas
Ice
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Originally posted by Nash:
I don't throw in my 2 cents on FM issues because, well, I don't have the slightest clue what I'm talking about. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
That being said... I seem to leave every fight with a Niki shaking my head in disbelief at what just happened.
Something just seems *off*... can't put my finger on it, but mostly related to its zoom or E retention... something...
Don't even know why I'm posting this useless bit of personal experience. If it hits the numbers across the board, then it's fine.
It *does* hit the numbers....right?
I'm in the same boat with you on this one Nash. I don't know the specs or data, but it's just odd flying straight 500ft over a plane at 300mph, watch him pull a high G immel and then start closing on you .