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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on July 09, 2004, 11:01:21 AM
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Libs here is your man - LOL
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/edwards.gif)
'Heart wrenching plea'
But some of Edwards' critics say that as a trial lawyer, he relied more on his verbal skills than the latest scientific evidence to persuade juries that the doctors' mistakes had been instrumental in causing the cerebral palsy in the infants.
Edwards' trial summaries "routinely went beyond a recitation of his case to a heart-wrenching plea to jurors to listen to the unspoken voices of injured children," according to a comprehensive analysis of Edwards' legal career by The Boston Globe in 2003.
The Globe cited an example of Edwards' oratorical skills from a medical malpractice trial in 1985. Edwards had alleged that a doctor and a hospital had been responsible for the cerebral palsy afflicting then-five-year-old Jennifer Campbell.
'I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her (Jennifer), I feel her presence,' Edwards told the jury according to court records. "[Jennifer's] inside me and she's talking to you ... And this is what she says to you. She says, 'I don't ask for your pity. What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do ask for your courage.'"
Edwards' emotional plea worked. Jennifer Campbell's family won a record jury verdict of $6.5 million against the hospital where the girl was born -- a judgment reduced later to $2.75 million on appeal. Edwards also settled with Jennifer's obstetrician for $1.5 million." <- which eddie boy got 33% of for his acting
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPOL20040120a.html
Wonder if he bit his bottom lip ... what a quack
they do make a good pair though ...
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he is an ambulance chaser... he and his ilk are responsible for about half of the current health care costs.
The only way that national health can work (and it can't work really) is if they make it illegal for lawyers to do what edwards did for a living...
pretty ironic huh?
lazs
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The election can't come soon enough.
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Wow. He sounds like an attorney. What a suprise. So instead of the family getting nothing from the hospital for harming their daughter, they were able to make them pay. Sounds like a guy who's done his job.
h
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Nothing scares the Reps more than another Democrat from the South with excellent verbal skills.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah!
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Originally posted by Horn
Wow. He sounds like an attorney. What a suprise. So instead of the family getting nothing from the hospital for harming their daughter, they were able to make them pay. Sounds like a guy who's done his job.
h
tell me how the hospital harmed the girl please?
He's a snake oil salesman ... like I said, he and lurch go well together, they are both full off hot air
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Dishonesty!? Why I never!!
HALLIBURTON
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Originally posted by hawker238
Dishonesty!? Why I never!!
HALLIBURTON
How much would you want to be paid to drive supplies or provide services to our troops in a warzone? what does halliburton spend to get those supplies there?
I heard that pinhead Ferraro stating that the Gov't was paying $45.00 for a case of coca-cola.
What the devious dem did not mention was it was in Iraq.
People like you don't understand seem to able to grasp the obvious otherwise you wouldn't be liberals.
I would gladly continue paying six figure salaries to truckdrivers willing to risk their lives to supply our men and women in the field as opposed to having the comic duo gut the military and give the money to people like......redtail.
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Originally posted by storch
How much would you want to paid to drive supplies or provide services to our troops in a warzone?
I heard that pinhead Ferraro stating that the Gov't was payinf $45.00 for a case of coca-cola.
What the devious dem did not mention was it was in Iraq.
I would gladly continue paying six figure salaries to truckdrivers willing to risk their lives to supply our men and women in the field as opposed to having the comic duo gut the military and give the money to people like......redtail.
Ferraro also failed to mention that it was an Arab country charging it and that Haliburton refused to pay it.
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Originally posted by Eagler
tell me how the hospital harmed the girl please?
He's a snake oil salesman ... like I said, he and lurch go well together, they are both full off hot air
No lawyer ever awarded money to anyone. Those verdicts came from a jury... of OUR peers.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No lawyer ever awarded money to anyone. Those verdicts came from a jury... of OUR peers.
Yours maybe certainly not ours.
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Originally posted by storch
gut the military and give the money to people like......redtail.
100% wrong connotation, Buffy...as usual...and about as far off course as one dolt can ever possibly be. I think you're losing brain matter with every manual ejaculation you give yourself...not too many rounds left in the clip, I reckon.
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but mt... if we are to have national health we will have to limit these awards gotten by and handed out by "our peers" against the evil... oops the benevolent health care system.
Will doctors suddenly become more competent? will pain and suffering suddenly be less of an issue or.... will no lower chance for profit simply mean less chance for poor suffering victims to get those deserved multi million dollar settlements?
How much does canada spend on lawsuits? do their people suffer less than ours?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
but mt... if we are to have national health we will have to limit these awards gotten by and handed out by "our peers" against the evil... oops the benevolent health care system.
lazs
OK.
Of course ... limiting lawsuit awards is kinda hypocritical for you "keep government regulation to a minimum" republicans. I mean it's all about the free market.. isn't it?
Another point. Are you guys really trying to denegrate a lawyer for trying to get the maximum amount for his client. If he hadn't he would be guilty of malpractice himself.
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I think the method is the issue, MT.
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mt... you didn't respond. If you want kerry and the ambulance chaser and their national health care system you will have to limit awards. edwards will be for limiting the very thing he made his living doing.
If you limit awards then health care becomes affordable and there is no need for a government program... we all know how effiecent government programs are.
My solution is to educate the populace on what the real costs involved in healthcare are. Maybe then "our peers" won't be so eager to raise our healtcare costs with huge awards.
no system in the world awards such high amounts for 'suffering".
lazs
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Originally posted by Eagler
Libs here is your man - LOL
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/edwards.gif)
'Heart wrenching plea'
But some of Edwards' critics say that as a trial lawyer, he relied more on his verbal skills than the latest scientific evidence to persuade juries that the doctors' mistakes had been instrumental in causing the cerebral palsy in the infants.
Edwards' trial summaries "routinely went beyond a recitation of his case to a heart-wrenching plea to jurors to listen to the unspoken voices of injured children," according to a comprehensive analysis of Edwards' legal career by The Boston Globe in 2003.
The Globe cited an example of Edwards' oratorical skills from a medical malpractice trial in 1985. Edwards had alleged that a doctor and a hospital had been responsible for the cerebral palsy afflicting then-five-year-old Jennifer Campbell.
'I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her (Jennifer), I feel her presence,' Edwards told the jury according to court records. "[Jennifer's] inside me and she's talking to you ... And this is what she says to you. She says, 'I don't ask for your pity. What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do ask for your courage.'"
Edwards' emotional plea worked. Jennifer Campbell's family won a record jury verdict of $6.5 million against the hospital where the girl was born -- a judgment reduced later to $2.75 million on appeal. Edwards also settled with Jennifer's obstetrician for $1.5 million." <- which eddie boy got 33% of for his acting
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPOL20040120a.html
Wonder if he bit his bottom lip ... what a quack
they do make a good pair though ...
My Dad pays over a 150 thousand a year in MedMal Insurance because of ****bags like this. A doctor who's never been sued, who's in a profession that's utterly essential to everyone who goes to him... A doctor who does 1/3 of his work free of charge as it is, because without it, the people in need would die and die painfully. Guys like him are being pushed into early retirement every year.
Amazing how far a little posturing goes... I pray to god that this piece of cow dung is in need of emergency brain surgery one day soon.
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Originally posted by lazs2
mt... you didn't respond. If you want kerry and the ambulance chaser and their national health care system you will have to limit awards. edwards will be for limiting the very thing he made his living doing.
If you limit awards then health care becomes affordable and there is no need for a government program... we all know how effiecent government programs are.
My solution is to educate the populace on what the real costs involved in healthcare are. Maybe then "our peers" won't be so eager to raise our healtcare costs with huge awards.
no system in the world awards such high amounts for 'suffering".
lazs
I said OK. Got no problem limiting awards for certain issues.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
My Dad pays over a 150 thousand a year in MedMal Insurance because of ****bags like this. A doctor who's never been sued, who's in a profession that's utterly essential to everyone who goes to him... A doctor who does 1/3 of his work free of charge as it is, because without it, the people in need would die and die painfully. Guys like him are being pushed into early retirement every year.
Amazing how far a little posturing goes... I pray to god that this piece of cow dung is in need of emergency brain surgery one day soon.
And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.
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sandie... you miss the point entirely... Of course the insurance companies are gonna make a profit. they are not a charitable or non profit organization...
The more law suits the edwards of the country "win" the higher the insurance company raises the rates and the higher the rates the higher the healthcare costs. Is it really that hard to understand?
lazs
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Originally posted by Sandman
And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.
True, many doctors make mistakes out of neglicence, but many, many more get sued for reasons no human can control, and lose their livelihoods as a result.
I blame lawyers because it takes one to generate a multi-million dollar settlement whether or not there is any real fault on the part of the doctor.
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Originally posted by Sandman
And somehow the insurance companies still manage to turn over huge profits. Of course, everyone always blames the lawyers as if they were the cause.
Not the cause, but the enablers.
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Let's see...
1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.
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ok sandie but I fail to see how that is the insurance companies fault.
Seems to me it is a combination of sleazy law practice and an uneducated jury of our peers problem.
If say.. 60 minutes ran a series on how much lawsuits cost us all in healthcare and the newspapers and cnn all run investigations into it at the same time and people actually became aware of the real problem...
I bet hamburger flippers wouldn't get 200 million dollar settlements... They don't in any other country but here yet.... you liberals seem to believe that every socialist health care system is superior.
it is difficult for me to understand your thinking without assigning an agenda to it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's see...
1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.
Sandman, my point is this:
Yes, doctors are and should be liable. However, more often than not, they are sued when they made no identifiable mistake.
For example, a certain percentage of all surgeries lead to complications due to infection. Even if the surgery was a total success and the sutures were executed flawlessly, infections sometimes take hold. You can blame the patient's immune system moreso than the MD.
However, this is a very common reason to sue, and to sue for a lot. It tarnishes the MD's rep and costs him big as his ins. rates rise.
We aren't talking about doctors leaving scalpels inside patient's abdominal cavities, we're talking side-effects that are nobody's fault.
It takes lawyers to turn these natural statistics into rediculous settlements, and the sad fact is that everyone, but the lawyer, ends up losing. He takes 20-40 percent of the settlement, and moves on. The client, generally ignorant to the methods and mechanisms, is just a vehicle for a transaction between the attorney and the insurance company.
Rinse, lather, repeat....
Just don't try and tell me that we're not a bit litigation-happy here in the US.
One of my dad's partner's once said to me: 'It's sometimes hard to imagine that many of the people that walk into this office see me as nothing but a walking, talking lottery ticket.'
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's see...
1. The doctor makes a bad decision and permanently injures/disables a patient.
2. The patient hires an attorney.
3. The attorney presents the case.
4. The jury decides the doctor is at fault.
5. The doctor's insurance company pays the penalty.
6. The insurance company raises the doctor's insurance rates.
7. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Obviously, it's the lawyers that are to blame.
who caused cerebral palsy? how exactly?
mr snakeoil man used the ignorance and emotions of the jury to win his awards ie become a very rich man. this has nothing to do with legit malpractice. did you bother to read the article? research eddies tactics? talk about hearing voices in your leaders head ....
as lazs pointed out edwards types ARE the problem with health care system - now he and lurch are gonna FIX it - LOL
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Originally posted by lazs2
Seems to me it is a combination of sleazy law practice and an uneducated jury of our peers problem.
Oh no... It's a combination of sleazy insurance practices, sleazy health providers (pharmaceuticals, HMOs, you name it), sleazy law practices, uneducated jurors, and a general "gotta win the lottery" mentality of the populace.
I'm not saying that lawyers aren't part of the problem. They are... I just think it's a lot bigger than that.
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Originally posted by Eagler
tell me how the hospital harmed the girl please?
He's a snake oil salesman ... like I said, he and lurch go well together, they are both full off hot air
"1985 lawsuit on behalf of Jennifer Campbell, born brain-damaged after being deprived of oxygen during labor."
I guess I shouldn't find it suprising you didn't read the article you posted.
h
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm not saying that lawyers aren't part of the problem. They are... I just think it's a lot bigger than that.
Very true.
That being said. It would be nice if the VP candidate wasn't a rather outstanding representative of those who are 'part of the problem'.
Then again, I'd be hard pressed to name a politician who isn't.
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Lawyers are scum. Ever hear a joke about one? I have.
Seriously, don't excuse the morons on the jury in these cases. Absurd tort judgements remain.......It's stupid.
Imagine the idiot who spilled hot coffee on her thighs suing because the coffee was hot.
This would be like sitting on a ice block and suing because it was cold.....
Yet, find the right 12 mental midgets, and you have an outrageous settlement................
Lawyers fill a void - unfortunately one made lucrative by the juries...............
Did I mention lawyers are scum?
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Originally posted by Horn
"1985 lawsuit on behalf of Jennifer Campbell, born brain-damaged after being deprived of oxygen during labor."
I guess I shouldn't find it suprising you didn't read the article you posted.
h
how did the doctor do this exactly? He hold his hand over her mouth? Or did it just occur during birth and the doc is sued for it?
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Very true.
That being said. It would be nice if the VP candidate wasn't a rather outstanding representative of those who are 'part of the problem'.
Then again, I'd be hard pressed to name a politician who isn't.
He's the VP. He's window dressing. If Bush wasn't such a dim bulb, no one would even notice Cheney. For example... Gore, Quayle.. :)
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Originally posted by TalonX
Imagine the idiot who spilled hot coffee on her thighs suing because the coffee was hot.
Bad example. MacDonalds deserved that one. They were repeatedly warned.
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Unless of course you look at the profit margin over the past 20 years that insurance companys are making, I would be willing to bet that they make a higher % every year. It sounds to me like the insurence companys are raping the doctors, But then of course insurance companys are one of the biggest lobbies in the country.
Insurance companys are where the real problem is
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everyone agrees that insurance is half or more of all healtcare costs. The reason for high insurance is high settlements not high profits for the insurance company.
Unless you think the doctors are so incompetent that the settlements are correct... then, you have to conclude that the major fault lies with the lawyers and the juries.
I just think it is hillarious that this ambulance chaser wants to have anything to do with health care policies in America. I think it is even more funny that people will vote for this clown.
oh and trell... the size of settlements these days allmost forces higher and higher profits for insurance companies... they can be ruined by fewer and fewer lost cases.
lazs
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Originally posted by Eagler
how did the doctor do this exactly? He hold his hand over her mouth? Or did it just occur during birth and the doc is sued for it?
Are you really that stupid?
Do you really think this was a spilling-the-hot-coffee-in-a-lap case? Do you really think that the jury awarded the verdict to the plaintiff because of his eloquence alone?
h
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Originally posted by Horn
"1985 lawsuit on behalf of Jennifer Campbell, born brain-damaged after being deprived of oxygen during labor."
I guess I shouldn't find it suprising you didn't read the article you posted.
h
you didn't get that quote from the article I posted. Looks like you merged two different cases - good try though - maybe fast eddie needs an assistant
the man is a snake oil salesman, plan and simple - could be another slick willie if america is dumb enough to allow it to happen again...
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Originally posted by Horn
Are you really that stupid?
Do you really think this was a spilling-the-hot-coffee-in-a-lap case? Do you really think that the jury awarded the verdict to the plaintiff because of his eloquence alone?
h
no
yes and the ignorance of the jury on medical matters - he preyed on them to line his pockets
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Sandman,
No, actually, it's a bad example since McDonalds finally over turned the ruling. They never paid a dime, but most people don't know that....
It's a great example, though, of the stupidity of some juries.....
McDonalds was warned? ABOUT WHAT? YOU BOIL WATER TO MAKE COFFEE... IT'S HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL.
Cup of coffee for ya?
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You guys crack me up. Yeah there are wrongful suites but I would venture a bet that there are more suites where the doctor did screwed up than the other way.
I have a few friends in the medical business and even they have never ending medical horror stories where the doctor fked up or the hospital fked up and most of the time they cover their tulips and say "oh were sorry there were complications" and no one ever knows the real truth.
You guys make it sound like if we got rid of the lawyers then everything would be ok. I seriously doubt that.
The problem today is a complex one in which the doctors, the lawyers and the insurance companies and the drug companies are to blame.
Hey pork, so what does your dad make a year? Better yet, how many and what kind of cars does he own? Something tells me he is not begging in the streets.
Ohh no Edwards was an ambulance chaser. How about George Bush is a good ole boy Oil tycoon that never did much and got most everything from his daddy. I'll take the self made millionair from a poor family, trial lawyer any day over a silver spoon baboon.
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Originally posted by Horn
Wow. He sounds like an attorney. What a suprise. So instead of the family getting nothing from the hospital for harming their daughter, they were able to make them pay. Sounds like a guy who's done his job.
h
Except in this case the little girl had (was born with) Cerebral Palsy. The hospital didn't harm her.:mad:
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Laz i agee that juries award too much money. but it is not the lawers that do that it is the juries, But i will also look at the profit margins in the insurence companys after lunch, I think they are taking advantage of a bad situation and making it worse.
I dont find them any better then enron jacking up the price of power to cali a few years back, or any other company that forced you to buy there servise. I think if the product is required by law, the goverment need to0 spend more time watching those companys from raping the piblic.
examply i know in michigan that the insurance companys will often setle with victims for 33% less then there insurence is suppose to give them for problems, (this is disabilty insurence I am talking about)
there theory is that if you sure them in michigan the most you can get back is 100% of the claim that they are suspose to pay to the person.so they will awwlays offer 33% less, becasue that is way the lawer will get after the siut.
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Originally posted by TalonX
Sandman,
No, actually, it's a bad example since McDonalds finally over turned the ruling. They never paid a dime, but most people don't know that....
http://caoc.com/facts.htm
The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting.
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Originally posted by Eagler
you didn't get that quote from the article I posted. Looks like you merged two different cases - good try though - maybe fast eddie needs an assistant
the man is a snake oil salesman, plan and simple - could be another slick willie if america is dumb enough to allow it to happen again...
Nope. Try again. Same case. According to reports, hospital personnel ignored indications she was under stress while in the womb and suffered asphyxia leading to the palsy. He writes about it in his book, "Four Trials." Google her name and his and learn something for a change.
He was a good lawyer who found a niche and used it. Now, if you want to argue that the science used to determine fault in cerebral palsy litigation was incorrecet, I'd say you might have a point--but libelling his character based on excellent job performance is moronic. But again, I forget who I'm talking to.
h
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Originally posted by slimm50
Except in this case the little girl had (was born with) Cerebral Palsy. The hospital didn't harm her.:mad:
Of course she was "born with" cerebral palsy--the asphyxia occurred in the womb.
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ok... so how many of you think that American doctors are more incompetent than the rest of the worlds?
How do you explain that socialized medicine doesn't hand out near the awards in dollars that we do?
It is the cost of lawsuits for whatever reason. If you can't get those costs down you can't get healthcare costs down.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is the cost of FRIVOLOUS lawsuits for whatever reason. If you can't get those costs down you can't get healthcare costs down.
lazs
Add that word in caps above and I'd entirely agree.
h
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Laz I agree it is one of the costs and changes need to be made, but you guys are trying to cast edwards as a scumbag because he was part of the system and that dog won't hunt.
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Originally posted by Horn
Of course she was "born with" cerebral palsy--the asphyxia occurred in the womb.
h
it's a bs case and you know it, or maybe you don't
yes, he did a good job selling that snake oil ....
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Originally posted by Eagler
it's a bs case and you know it, or maybe you don't
yes, he did a good job selling that snake oil ....
Methinks that Eagler must have spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express recently. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Methinks that Eagler must have spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express recently. :D
LOL
no but will be on Sanibel beach tonight & Sat night (26th anniversary & all) - does that count? :)
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Well, you can make sure he doesn't argue any more suits by electing him. :)
Hey look, Kerry is still going to win.
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
I can't wait for the Republican meltdown on this BBS. :aok
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Originally posted by Eagler
it's a bs case and you know it
Prove it. It was never overturned on appeal even though the award was reduced. The judicial system doesn't agree with you.
All you can do is libel a guy doing his job well. You've got nothing, as usual.
h
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Originally posted by TalonX
Lawyers are scum. Ever hear a joke about one? I have.
Seriously, don't excuse the morons on the jury in these cases. Absurd tort judgements remain.......It's stupid.
Imagine the idiot who spilled hot coffee on her thighs suing because the coffee was hot.
Did I mention lawyers are scum?
Actually this is a bad example. The plaintiff a 70 ish year old lady spilled the coffee on her lap due to an improperly secured lid and the coffee was hot enough to cause third degree burns to her outer vaginal labia. The Mc Donalds employees were clearly at fault. thats what happens when you employ people like....redtail
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Exactly Storch. And, the corporation had been warned a number of times about the temperature (which was above foodservice common practice) and a "Flavor Consultant" apparently decided that flavor was more important than safety.
If I spill coffee on my lap I expect it to be hot, maybe even generate a first degree burn. I don't expect to have to get skin grafts as a result -- which is what she had to get.
That is why these settlements, even if abused, have some validity. Corporations all the time make decisions based on profits vs. safety/danger. Like it or not, your life and mine has a price tag attached to it, and these suits help keep that price tag higher. But, there should be adjustments to eliminate as much abuse as you can.
Charon