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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on July 09, 2004, 11:34:01 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125165,00.html
"The USA takes a relentless pounding from many Canadian news organizations and from the liberal government. So, what can we expect from the kids? They're not getting a full picture. And neither is most of the world.
Increasingly, the bully America is being portrayed as the devil. And the far left in this country is gleefully piling on. Guys like Michael Moore [are] running around the world telling everybody what a bad place America is. Moore and his enablers should be very proud of themselves"
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But the CBC is regarded as "news"?
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Is it true that Fox News is not allowed in Canada?
It's bad enough it's allowed here, we shouldn't be exporting substandard products, unless, of course, it's substandard weapons to 3rd world countries :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
It's bad enough it's allowed here, we shouldn't be exporting substandard products,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:rolleyes:
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our canadian channels have their own news services, so if you have the feed from the US then the choice is up to the individual
i have about 400 digital channels including feed from LA, seattle, chicago, buffalo, NYC, boston, atlanta so it is available here
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redtail... what news sources do you believe we should be allowed to hear?
Know any good ones?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
...Know any good ones?...
Do you? Is there an unbiased news agency out there?
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Originally posted by Furious
Do you? Is there an unbiased news agancy out there?
no. Hear all. Make your mind up for yourself. That's the beauty of a free press.
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Of course the more important question is do 40% of Canadian (64% French-Canadian) teenagers really believe that America is evil?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Of course the more important question is do 40% of Canadian (64% French-Canadian) teenagers really believe that America is evil?
most french-canadian teenagers believe that English canada is evil;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
redtail... what news sources do you believe we should be allowed to hear? Know any good ones?
lazs
I listen and watch many different ones, internet as well as television. Probably the same ones you do, save for AM and shortwave radio.
Faux News is ALL about the soundbyte...when a differing view is expressed it's shouted into an interruption amid "liberal" bear-baiting orations. They amount to scare rhetoric and play to the minds of the undereducated majority of society, then spin or straight out distort facts in a way that mirrors socialist propoganda. I'm rather suprised at how well some people here are duped into believing that nonsense.
It shouldn't matter to you, anyway, you think everything is too liberal so any reply I have will be met with the familiar drone of liberal media BS.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Of course the more important question is do 40% of Canadian (64% French-Canadian) teenagers really believe that America is evil?
No, the term use is "Satan's little Helper"
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ahhhhhhhhh another thread about america junior, boy hes growing up so fast.
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lol you guys are funny...
and yes we do get Fox news...and all the rest of them fuggin boring channels.
and who gives a watermelon about what teenagers think anyways....
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FREE NORTHERN MEXICO!!! REGIME CHANGE!!!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
FREE NORTHERN MEXICO!!! REGIME CHANGE!!!
i like it! good one!:lol
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
FREE NORTHERN MEXICO!!! REGIME CHANGE!!!
Sounds like a job for The United States of Hypocrisy.
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a hell of alot easier than freeing Southern Canada:)
NUTTZ
Originally posted by FUNKED1
FREE NORTHERN MEXICO!!! REGIME CHANGE!!!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
FREE NORTHERN MEXICO!!! REGIME CHANGE!!!
Thank god i moved out of L.A.!..... wait....is Vegas still part of northern mexico? :D
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Originally posted by lazs2
redtail... what news sources do you believe we should be allowed to hear?
Know any good ones?
lazs
The guy is as sharp as a box full beachballs what would he know
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Wow, I never knew that I wasn't allowed to watch Fox News. I will turn my self in to the Police immediatly!
WTF EH!
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redtail.. I found fox to be refreshing. I think the fact that it exists made the communist news network (CNN) get a tiny bit more centrous. you may not agree.
lazs
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From everything I've found on the web regarding this, Fox News is not allowed on any Canadian Cable. Would one of you that is getting it please post your cable company and channel?
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Originally posted by AKIron
From everything I've found on the web regarding this, Fox News is not allowed on any Canadian Cable. Would one of you that is getting it please post your cable company and channel?
Probably via satellite
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Originally posted by storch
Probably via satellite
Ah, if that's the case then can a Canadian subscribe to an American satellite provider? Are Canadian providers allowed to descramble Fox News? If you're getting it illegally feel free to not respond. ;)
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So, can I assume that Canada does not allow Fox News on their cable? BTW, I just read that Canada will allow Al Jazeera to be transmitted. Al Jazeera but not Fox News? What the hell are you guys doing up there?
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(http://www.gilbertv.com/coppermine/albums/06142004/oldthread.jpg)
Punting your own week old thread....priceless.
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Anyone cares what Canada gets, why?
If I was going to watch fox news - I'd save myself an hour, and drive a corkscrew into my temple.
-SW
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Figured a week was long enough to get an answer to my question. None was forthcoming so I assume that Canada has prohibitted Fox News. Just read about Canada allowing Al Jazeera on their TV. I joke and all but it's really hard for me to believe that the propagandists have taken over in Canada. Maybe we'll need to air Fox News over Radio Free America. ;)
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Anyone cares what Canada gets, why?
If I was going to watch fox news - I'd save myself an hour, and drive a corkscrew into my temple.
-SW
When your neighbor with open borders is training their kids to hate you, you better care.
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Well I guess that really all depends. Fox News is the only one I see reporting this, and they happen to be not allowed to show their drivel in Canada.
Maybe they're just upset they can't get higher ratings.
-SW
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They claim to have higher ratings than CNN and all the other "News" shows combined. I haven't seen anyone refuting that.
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Well, if they aren't allowed to be shown in Canada - I'd think that would mean 0% up there.
-SW
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And as far as our neighbors to the north "training" their kids to hate us, I think our leaders did that just fine.
I could go on and on about why we're in the position we're in, but then I'll be labelled "anti-American" and a "bush hater" because I see things for what they are.
The engines shot out, fuel tanks on fire, canopies stuck - we're going down in flames.
-SW
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No doubt Al Jazeera will be very popular there among some. Glad I live in a country where folks can watch what they want rather than what the government thinks best.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
And as far as our neighbors to the north "training" their kids to hate us, I think our leaders did that just fine.
I could go on and on about why we're in the position we're in, but then I'll be labelled "anti-American" and a "bush hater" because I see things for what they are.
The engines shot out, fuel tanks on fire, canopies stuck - we're going down in flames.
-SW
Now see, that's why you need to watch Fox News. The plane isn't on fire so don't bail just yet.
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I don't watch any news networks, I can't stand reporters. I get all of my news from the papers or news sites on the web.
Regardless of whether Kerry wins in November, or Bush is re-elected, or the elections are put on hold... that fuel tank is burning.
Bush has made us too many enemies of what used to be allies. Just because nothing is out in the open, doesn't mean there isn't anything developing in the background.
-SW
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Those that opposed on us Iraq did so because they either resented us or had their hand in the cookie jar. Bush only exposed their true sentiments.
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I will certainly help you with your research.
here is the list I can get on my satalite.
starchoice (https://secure.starchoice.com/english/store/signup_pr.asp)
here is the list on the competition
bell expressvu (http://www.bell.ca/shop/en/jsp/content/personal/catalog/satellites/includes/pdf/lineup_alpha.pdf)
I dont see Fox News or al gazera on either of them.
Here is the digital Cable offering
rogers (http://www.shoprogers.com/store/cable/digitaltvcontent/digitalchannels.asp?shopperID=FD58R01DVEP18LM08G8VW58CLPUQ90M6&province=ON)
Not there either. Not even in the multi cultural area.
We get lots of fox stations. But not fox news.
So Yes it appears that the CRTC has kept Fox News and Al jazera out of canada.
Is al jazeera allowed in the US?
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From what I read Al Jazeera will be coming to a station near you soon. If there were a demand for Al Jazeera in the US I have little doubt it would be allowed in. Is there no demand for Fox News there? What I've read would seem to suggest otherwise.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Is it true that Fox News is not allowed in Canada?
It's bad enough it's allowed here, we shouldn't be exporting substandard products, unless, of course, it's substandard weapons to 3rd world countries :rolleyes:
Heheh. Yeah we get enough american news channels up here, especially on my digital cable - I get US superstations and tons of US channels, so missing FOX news isn't a big deal.
Let's face it - FOX News has no idea how to do anything but show young blonde girls in bikinis and toilet humor....
... wait, that sounds good to me. Damn.
Supe
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"When your neighbor with open borders is training their kids to hate you, you better care."
How do you think it feels when your much larger neighbor with nukes and the most powerful military in history is brain washing thier children to hate the world, reject democracy and free thought and persue global hegonomy?
I am looking out my office window at CVN 72 right this instance. That the thinking of how and where to use such a weapon comes from people that get thier policy decisions from O Reilly chills me.
But dont you worry. Some lick spittle conservative will get in power next year. Make Fox News manditory viewing, sell our hospitals to american corporations and our pension plans to american banks the whole time borrowing billions to fund some stupid kick back scheme disguised as a defense project or something.
Time is on your side. With such a huge and refined attack propoganda culture the US cant lose here. Fear sells. And fox makes a killing peddling it.
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I'm not entirely sure that the Pope resented us, or had his hands in the cookie jar.
For the other nations, I'm willing to bet it was in part due to a large debt they were owed by Saddam and they wanted their money. Sure, the argument - they supplied weapons etc. We did too, and we propped him up to become who he was. We aren't on the moral highground right there.
In any event, this is all rehashed crap about Iraq that no longer matters. My deal is with the here and now. Bush is continually alienating our allies. Even when they begin to come back to us, he does something else to push them away.
I understand a lot of Americans are all gungho about this "War on Terror" deal, but we will lose if we go it alone. Alienating those who would help by doing a number of careless acts only spells out stupid and dangerous.
Anyway, there are far too many willing to follow the president without questioning any of it. This is why we are here, if it continues - I can only have nightmares about where we will end up.
-SW
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At the risk of being repetitive, Bush didn't alienate anyone that didn't already despise us. Better to have those feelings out in the open so we have no false sense of security should the ship truly hit the sand.
Never really cared much what the Pope thought. He needs to get his ducks in a row if he really wants to be the shining example that he should be.
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I suppose, although he did more to make the populace of those places despise than the leaders who already despised us.
-SW
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Originally posted by Pongo
"When your neighbor with open borders is training their kids to hate you, you better care."
Well if they wanted to take us out, they have enough people in New York City alone to do it heh.
All joking aside, I understand your point. Hopefully the globalization of media and the Internet will contribute to more of a global sharing of ideas, combatting the brainwashing that national media tends to put on people. Things like these forums, or games, etc where people from all over the world join and play, help young people see how other folks from other countries exist. It'll take a while, but I think that we'll get a more global, less ignorant society in the next century.
But what do I know. I live in Toronto, which doesn't feel like a part of Canada at all :)
Supe
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I suppose, although he did more to make the populace of those places despise than the leaders who already despised us.
-SW
Now we're back to Fox News. A more "fair and balanced" view of world events might convince the "populace" of those places that we aren't so bad afterall and are really only doing what so badly needed to be done. Something that they would do themselves if they had a clearer perspective on the situation.
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Originally posted by Pongo
"When your neighbor with open borders is training their kids to hate you, you better care."
How do you think it feels when your much larger neighbor with nukes and the most powerful military in history is brain washing thier children to hate the world, reject democracy and free thought and persue global hegonomy?
I am looking out my office window at CVN 72 right this instance. That the thinking of how and where to use such a weapon comes from people that get thier policy decisions from O Reilly chills me.
But dont you worry. Some lick spittle conservative will get in power next year. Make Fox News manditory viewing, sell our hospitals to american corporations and our pension plans to american banks the whole time borrowing billions to fund some stupid kick back scheme disguised as a defense project or something.
Time is on your side. With such a huge and refined attack propoganda culture the US cant lose here. Fear sells. And fox makes a killing peddling it.
And you get you thoughts from libelous Books and Micheal Moore...
Just be honest, you're simply upset that the current administration has different policy ideas than you. Inventing this fox news conspiracy fantasy might make you feel better about that but it also makes you look like a nut. Fox news does not run the USA, OK pongo?
And if it's not OK then take a loom outised your office windsow and reconsider it... ;)
It really is amazing how shocked liberals are when they see a consitently more conservative viewpoint coming out of their TVs.. Noooo now way how dare the newsrooom betray my values... How did CNN let this happend? Noooo!!!!
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"How do you think it feels when your much larger neighbor with nukes and the most powerful military in history is brain washing thier children to hate the world, reject democracy and free thought and persue global hegonomy?
I am looking out my office window at CVN 72 right this instance. That the thinking of how and where to use such a weapon comes from people that get thier policy decisions from O Reilly chills me. "
ewww... that does sound bad! How is your neighbor brain washing their children to hate the world exactly? How are they rejecting democracy? Free thought? This global hegonomy? how is that being taught?
And... what exactly has O Reilly said that chills you? No socialized medicine? Peple should be responsible for their own acts?
perhaps you are right tho and news sources that don't tow the liberal line are simply too dangerous and people are simply too stupid to be allowed to hear them... or... the liberal arguement is so weak that it can't stand any scrutiny?
My take is that Fox is pretty right leaning but mostly fair... I wouldn't want them to be the only news source but.... for a while there was no "right" view... the right was so unrepresented that when fox came along it slaugteered the communist news network (cnn)..
Cnn has seen the writing on the wall is much less of a rabid liberal station... slightly more centrous... ever since the first couple of sets of ratings came out.
lazs
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I've seen Fox News, and they really aren't fair and balanced.
The closest thing to "Fair and Balanced" is the Daily Show because they make fun of both sides, but that isn't news.
As far as doing what had to be done, not entirely sure about that one. But thats a different topic entirely.
-SW
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Hope you're right Supe. Definitely better to discuss and hash these issues among ourselves than sit back and believe everything we see on TV or read in the papers.
Certainly I know that Fox's motivation for broadcast in Canada isn't altruistic but rather financial. Still, America can use the positive image often presented by them. And if it's false, you can bet there will be plenty frothing to proclaim the lie.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Hope you're right Supe. Definitely better to discuss and hash these issues among ourselves than sit back and believe everything we see on TV or read in the papers.
I hope I'm right too. I think I am, but the problem is these things take so much time. A generation or two to get rid of the "set in the ways" mentality of older people. Flushing the system could take 50-100 years, but hopefully we'll become a bit more "global differences are cool" as opposed to "my country is better".
Supe
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You have to remember that up until a little over a decade ago America was at war with communism and it with us. The "my way of life is better" mentality was necessary in that war. I suspect that so long as Americans perceive injustice and inequality we will always be at war with it. At least that's my hope.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I suspect that so long as Americans perceive injustice and inequality we will always be at war with it. At least that's my hope.
For sure. Of course that brings us full circle, in that right now the news feeds us what is injust and inequal... you get the Bush side of things, then you get the Moore side of things saying how it's all a big manipulation. I just don't like the propaganda, one way or the other. One should ignore this stuff and just interact with people around the globe and share ideas. Too many people form an opinion based on skewed facts, and are fanatic about it. Nothing scares me more than young 20-something people believing in something too strongly... usually backed up with the aggressive nature that 20-somethings have as well. What's worse is when older people, say the government, foster this behavior for their own motivations. Use the media and human nature to drum up support for some "just cause", when really there are ulterior motives. Not pointing out any specific case, but one can see this happening all the time.
I'm not a political person for this reason. Keeping open and "international" in my mind as much as I can. Plus I try to keep a sense of humor, or else life would suck.
Supe
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hmm I got cable
no al-jazeera....got Fox channel....is Fox news like CNN?...on its own channel?
CNN,Fox news, NBC and other alphabet stations.....thats the news you watch....get this...ALL AMERICAN VIEWS.
now....to really be balanced....try watching news from around the world other the Alphabet soup news stations....
BBC World news is cool....actually shows NON-American POV's:aok
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Originally posted by SLO
hmm I got cable
no al-jazeera....got Fox channel....is Fox news like CNN?...on its own channel?
CNN,Fox news, NBC and other alphabet stations.....thats the news you watch....get this...ALL AMERICAN VIEWS.
now....to really be balanced....try watching news from around the world other the Alphabet soup news stations....
BBC World news is cool....actually shows NON-American POV's:aok
n'oubliez pas les stations de qualité au Canada, comme TQS... ahh Blue Nuit. Je t'aime.
That was the best as a teenager, before the internet had lots of porn.
Supe
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Originally posted by SLO
hmm I got cable
no al-jazeera....got Fox channel....is Fox news like CNN?...on its own channel?
Here, it's on it's own channel, like CNN. I haven't watched CNN in months, Fox is much better.
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"For sure. Of course that brings us full circle, in that right now the news feeds us what is injust and inequal... you get the Bush side of things, then you get the Moore side of things saying how it's all a big manipulation. I just don't like the propaganda, one way or the other. One should ignore this stuff and just interact with people around the globe and share ideas. Too many people form an opinion based on skewed facts, and are fanatic about it. Nothing scares me more than young 20-something people believing in something too strongly... usually backed up with the aggressive nature that 20-somethings have as well. What's worse is when older people, say the government, foster this behavior for their own motivations. Use the media and human nature to drum up support for some "just cause", when really there are ulterior motives. Not pointing out any specific case, but one can see this happening all the time.
I'm not a political person for this reason. Keeping open and "international" in my mind as much as I can. Plus I try to keep a sense of humor, or else life would suck. "
How old are you, 12??
C.
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Did you know Al-Jazeera is available in the US?
Dish Network (http://www.international.decentrix.com/)
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When watching only 1 news service don't you thing you are helping the Goebbels wanabe ?
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Originally posted by straffo
When watching only 1 news service don't you thing you are helping the Goebbels wanabe ?
I've watched 'em all, CNN for years, Fox is better. But I do agree with your point. Well, sorta. Not in that what I choose to watch supports propagandists but rather making only one viewpoint available is very similar to what the Nazi's or any other dictatorial government does. Letting your government decide what news is politically acceptable is far along that path.
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Originally posted by Supe
n'oubliez pas les stations de qualité au Canada, comme TQS... ahh Blue Nuit. Je t'aime.
That was the best as a teenager, before the internet had lots of porn.
Supe
Salut Supe...
et oui Blue Nuit et toujours la....
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Originally posted by Cabby44
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How old are you, 12??
C.
Hrmm of course I'm not 12... why would you ask that??
Supe
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've watched 'em all, CNN for years, Fox is better. But I do agree with your point. Well, sorta. Not in that what I choose to watch supports propagandists but rather making only one viewpoint available is very similar to what the Nazi's or any other dictatorial government does. Letting your government decide what news is politically acceptable is far along that path.
ok :) we are on the same wavelenght (if this expression work also in english :p)
Btw my previous post was not complete for an alcoholic reason (hips ! vive le Pomerol and the cognac )
I won't enter a debate tonight I would better go to sleep :D
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Originally posted by straffo
ok :) we are on the same wavelenght (if this expression work also in english :p)
Btw my previous post was not complete for an alcoholic reason (hips ! vive le Pomerol and the cognac )
I won't enter a debate tonight I would better go to sleep :D
Early here, by the time you're sober, I may not be. :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've watched 'em all, CNN for years, Fox is better. But I do agree with your point. Well, sorta. Not in that what I choose to watch supports propagandists but rather making only one viewpoint available is very similar to what the Nazi's or any other dictatorial government does. Letting your government decide what news is politically acceptable is far along that path.
When you say there is only one view point available since there is no Fox News then does that mean that all the other dozens of news channels(including many fox affiliates) present one viewpoint..and fox news presents another?
Do you really believe that there is a valid-constuctive-insightful news viewpoint that you can only get through fox 24hr news?
Do you think the hate that people on that channel direct at my country is worthwhile for the people of canada to see?
I myself am pissed that we cant get NFL sunday ticket on satelite. Fox News has done such ireparable damage to the reasoning power of idiots in america I would just as soon spare idiots in canada the pain. The intellectually challanged are so suspetable to the chants of hate and fear..we really do have to look out for them.
Now. My expectation is that you will ignore my first paragraph that tears your logic to shreads and pick some sentence out of the rest to be outraged about.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Fox News has done such ireparable damage to the reasoning power of idiots in america I would just as soon spare idiots in canada the pain. The intellectually challanged are so suspetable to the chants of hate and fear..
A-shreckin'-men to that.
But I have higher expectations. A Canadian produced version of Fox news would probably last all of 2 days before everyone here started shakin' their heads and sayin' wtf IS this cheese and just who do they think they're tryin' to kid?
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Originally posted by Nash
A-shreckin'-men to that.
But I have higher expectations. A Canadian produced version of Fox news would probably last all of 2 days before everyone here started shakin' their heads and sayin' wtf IS this cheese and just who do they think they're tryin' to kid?
Struth!:D
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Hate for Canada on Fox News? Hardly. The hate seems to be toward the US and based on the polls cited, much of it coming from Canada. And you would know all about Fox News how?
Tell me that the polls citing about half of Canadian teens believe the US to be evil are false. Please.
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Not evil, per say.
Sensitive and insecure about the way they are perceived abroad perhaps.
(mppht... kidding m8).
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In all truthfullness.......I don't think we get clean information from anyone in any media. Be it written or broadcast. We can put a label on any Newspaper or News Channel....and that would depend on your political view......or even on how you felt that day.
As Sargent Friday would say.."just the facts M'am"....that would be good enough for me.
I don't like allowing someone to influence the thinking of my feeble mind. I'd rather make my own decisions.
My view on how News should be reported as follows...
In Atlanta today.....Mr. Conrad Frizzel was awakened by the frantic barking of his dog JoJo in the early morning hours. His Apartment Building was on fire. Visibility was non existant and he crawled following his dog....who led him to an elevator ..... he fell 8 floors to his death.
As I said....just the facts M'am.
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But, the dog is ok right?
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Torque....Dog took the stairs. Is now being trained as a seeing eye dog.
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Originally posted by straffo
ok :) we are on the same wavelenght (if this expression work also in english :p)
Oui, ca marche aussi en anglais :)
My friends from France used the expression in french, and my english friends use it in english. What was odd was that we were all "ingenieur en optique" so it made us losers.
:D
Supe
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Originally posted by Supe
n'oubliez pas les stations de qualité au Canada, comme TQS... ahh Blue Nuit. Je t'aime.
That was the best as a teenager, before the internet had lots of porn.
Supe
Indeed, Blue Nuit was the bomb. :D
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I dunno what Canada's version of Fox news would actually look like. "Loath, please?" perhaps.
But, here's Mexico's version. They must have hired some Fox producers to get it off the ground with that distinctive flair only Fox can provide.
Aaaaghhhhh (http://mileventos.locaweb.com.br/jp/dalborga/dal3.mpeg )
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where'd you get them
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Hate for Canada on Fox News? Hardly. The hate seems to be toward the US and based on the polls cited, much of it coming from Canada. And you would know all about Fox News how?
Akiron, My question for you is: Do you really believe that many Canadians hate America? Do you believe that many Europeans if not most hate America? Do you think most people in western democracies hate America. If so why do you believe that. Does Fox news tell you that?
Based on the stuff written by Bill O'Reilly you might be inclined to think that. His spin on things is so wildly biased, he has no credibility.
If you even begin to believe and see the world or America the way Foxnews sees it. Then you are badly misled.
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Originally posted by SLO
CNN,Fox news, NBC and other alphabet stations.....thats the news you watch....get this...ALL AMERICAN VIEWS.
So watch / listen to ABC... Peter Jennings is a canuck... he is from Tronno.
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cpx... I have listened to Orielly a few times... what is so wildly biased about his views? And... if so... how could youstand to listen to him more than once or twice?
lazs
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Akiron, My question for you is: Do you really believe that many Canadians hate America? Do you believe that many Europeans if not most hate America? Do you think most people in western democracies hate America. If so why do you believe that. Does Fox news tell you that?
Based on the stuff written by Bill O'Reilly you might be inclined to think that. His spin on things is so wildly biased, he has no credibility.
If you even begin to believe and see the world or America the way Foxnews sees it. Then you are badly misled.
I'd like to think that Canadians believe Americans to be much like themselves. However, this poll would seem to indicate otherwise: http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm
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Is this a reliable source? If so I hope your not surprised by the results. They join the club with the rest of the world.
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"What is significant is the high number of teens who used the word "evil" to describe our southern neighbour."
gee... I wonder how that word got so firmly planted into popular lexicon.
Speaking of Canadians and "evil"... Did you know it was a Canadian that came up with and wrote "Axis of Evil" for Bush's SOTU speech? Bush sure took that ball and damn if he didn't start running with it for all it's worth. Suprised a few people, no doubt.
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Originally posted by Jayclark
Is this a reliable source? If so I hope your not surprised by the results. They join the club with the rest of the world.
I am surprised by the results. I didn't think that Canada had succumbed to such hateful anti-American propaganda and I hope the poll isn't accurate. Still, I ask the question, why censor a News channel that I will admit leans toward portraying America in a favorable light if not to further anti-American sentiment?
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It's not censorship. It's quality control.
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A lil off-topic but here what Americans said about declining tourist from the US. Sad part is Canada is a nice place to go but I wouldn't go back if I was treated like that.
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Originally posted by Nash
It's not censorship. It's quality control.
Quality control? I'm sure you're joking. The number one news channel in the US and you guys don't feel deprived? Oh well, at least you'll have Al Jazeera.
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Whoops forgot the link. Apparently the polls are right. Canadians dislike America and its people.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/lettersaa.htm
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Of course another way to look at the polls is from the flip side. How ****ed up is current American policy that 40% of Canada teens think the US is evil.
This isn't an issue about Canada though, polls taken from all over the world are showing this general trend. The issue is current US policy.
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I agree our policy is ****ed up but does that give a right to treat Americans badly just because idiots in the White House can't seem to find there way out of a paper bag?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Of course another way to look at the polls is from the flip side. How ****ed up is current American policy that 40% of Canada teens think the US is evil.
This isn't an issue about Canada though, polls taken from all over the world are showing this general trend. The issue is current US policy.
Actually the issue I raised IS about government censorship in Canada. It appears to me that there are those that would block Fox News simply because of their pro-America stance. How does that appear to you Thrawn?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Quality control? I'm sure you're joking. The number one news channel in the US and you guys don't feel deprived? Oh well, at least you'll have Al Jazeera.
Well yeah, you got me... I was.
I'm not sure what the deal is with Fox in Canada, to be honest. I have always gotten it on my tv... so I had no idea it wasn't already up here. I'm a bit confused.
But "number one news channel"; Har, good one. It may be the number one something, but it's an entertainment show dressed up to look like news.
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i dont think anyone even realized we didnt have fox news up here..there certainly wasn't anyone complaining
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Originally posted by AKIron
Actually the issue I raised IS about government censorship in Canada. It appears to me that there are those that would block Fox News simply because of their pro-America stance. How does that appear to you Thrawn?
First of all I think the CRTC is a bunch of crap. I have enough problems with elected officials telling me what I can and can not due, let along a bunch of damn bureaucrats.
That being said, the CRTC is supposed to promote Canadian content. They probably looked at the crap load of US news media we have already on cable and said we won't allow another one. They proably look at the amount of Arab news media (next to none?) and gave the go ahead to Al-Jazeera.
At the end of the day, **** em. If I want to know what Fox news is saying I have other media I can use to get that info. I think the CRTC's days are numbered. Due to the huge advances in communications technologies.
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Originally posted by lazs2
cpx... I have listened to Orielly a few times... what is so wildly biased about his views? And... if so... how could youstand to listen to him more than once or twice?
lazs
I'll listen to anyone's point of view more than once. You can always learn something. You, for example swayed my opinions on gun control. I could have dismissed your opinion, now while I don't completely agree with you. I got your point and realised you were right about some things.
As for wild bias, well O'Reilly is biased the way Michael Moore is biased, only on the opposite side. Both marshall facts and half truths, pull them together and spin them to suit their point of view. Everybody is biased in some way, some more than others. If you cannot see bias in someon'e arguments then it's because you completely agree with them. Of course I'm biased too.
As for Canadian teenagers thinking America is evil. Actually only 40% do. Apparently the other 60% do not. Just how much credibility you can apply to anything teenagers say. Given the option to call anything evil in a poll and teenagers being teenagers will probably call the Pope, Nelson Mandela, Lassie and Britney Spears evil! Has anyone seen the poll. What was the original question. Do this 40% think the current administration is evil or Americans or some Americans? What makes anyone think Canadian teenagers have more than the marginal grasp of current affairs any teenagers anywhere the world have? Worse still is to extrapolate that poll and to declare that the whole world is anti American, when it clearly is not.
Is Fox banned in Canada, or in fact did someone decide not to bother to provide it Deciding not to run it is not the same as banning it. To right wing eyes it might be the same thing. There is a lot of paranoia it seems to me about anti Americanism. How much of that is real is a moot point. But If often have fun stirring it with the Indymedia crowd by posting on their forums. Talk about bias? Some of them are ridiculous. But one theme on the site I visited is that anti Americanism per se is not what they are about. People making comments like that are often corrected (politically corrected LOL) and it's pointed out their beef is with the current administration not the American people. Even boasting about the number of American tourists who the sign street petitions they set up.
The way some people here talk you'd think you couldn't walk down a street without being attacked for being American. That's just paranoia fostered by people with an axe to grind.
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Ah, well, ok then. You'll understand that when I say your anti-American government sucks that I mean your administration and not the Canadian people who are all actually fond of Americans. Right? ;)
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The Americans seem to be the only ones who keep getting that confused, AKIron. :)
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Before we begin reading this, know that I have many friends that are American, I care for them like brothers, like family.
just some facts and opions here from a Canuck.
Arthur Weinreb is an author, columnist and Associate Editor of Canada Free Press. His work as appeared on Newsmax.com, Men's News Daily, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com and The Rant. He can be reached at cfp@canadafreepress.com
uhmm not to poke a hole in the boat so to speak but...
the author of that article about the 40% of Canadian Teens works for uhmm lets see? Fox NEWS? interesting eh?
so AKIron few questions for you about how many american news channels do I need to see in Canada?
serriously? I get most of the Washington state news channels (local and National affiliates) ei. KIRO (seattle)KOMO(also seattle)KCPQ(seattle FOX channel?)KVOS(Bellingham) as well as MSNBC, CNN, the ABC National one(cant remeber off hand) I also get BBCWORLD NEWS, as well as the AP feed on one of the real high channels.
now, HOW MANY CANADIAN NEWS CHANNELS are offered to you by you cable provider? its a matter of $$, if there was a "real"desire for the FOX news channel by a large Portion of the Canadian people then SHAW or ROGERS cable word probly aproach the CRTC( governing body of telecommunications in Canada) as for AlJazeera, in a post above someone pointed out that it is already offered in the US.DISH NETWORK (http://www.international.decentrix.com/)
As for most canadians Hating the States, I would find you hard pressed to find that many "Hate" or Think of You Americans as EVIL, as for this WAR on Terrorism. Canadains went along with you to the Gulf everytime, Canada has sent troops to Afganastan in support of this. of course this is all forgotten though. but lets look back 60 or so years ago shall we. where was America during the years 1939 - 1941? Unless all our history books are flat out lies then it would seem that during a great crisis of a few "good" Friends and allies, and ahem..Nieghbors. the Americans felt content to remain Neutral in the European and Asian conflicts. until DEC 7 that is. and who the hell do you think helped you all get back ATTU and KISKA Islands?
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Having never even been to Canada I'll trust you guys that this poll is bogus and that almost all Canadians are fond of Americans. Glad to hear that no one there believes us to be "evil" or even bad. Guess the very few Canadians that might happen to despise us or our policies just happen to all post here. I'm glad to be reassured that they are representative of the Candian people by and large in no way. I feel better now. Hey, if you guys aren't interested in what America watches it's no problem for me.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Having never even been to Canada I'll trust you guys that this poll is bogus and that almost all Canadians are fond of Americans. Glad to hear that no one there believes us to be "evil" or even bad. Guess the very few Canadians that might happen to despise us or our policies just happen to all post here. I'm glad to be reassured that they are representative of the Candian people by and large in no way. I feel better now. Hey, if you guys aren't interested in what America watches it's no problem for me.
And the 2004 Putz award goes to.......M'kay.:aok
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Originally posted by Torque
And the 2004 Putz award goes to.......M'kay.:aok
I take it you are one of the Canadian vocal minorities? We have those in the US too. Here though, we don't let them dictate our liberties, at least not yet. Controlling the media is a big step in that direction and certainly begins with influencing the youth. Is kinda why I was asking about these things. You guys have set my mind at ease. Oh, and thanks for the award. ;)
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you ARE the vocal minority the moment you log off the AH BBS.
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Originally posted by Nash
you ARE the vocal minority the moment you log off the AH BBS.
Not sure what you mean. I'm not all that vocal and my views tend to coincide with mainstream America.
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Always remeber that this being the anonymous play ground that it is, and that many folks like to see strife and conflict and general mayhem. many more will likely engage in an agument just to get ones perverbial goat.
as for censorship of our media, it is no more and no less then what you get in the states.we may or may not get one or two channels, but that is more of an economic thing. like i said, if there was more interest in it we would have it, and if I really want it i can go out and get hooked up with a "dish"network and get what 4 - 600 channels? hell i got digital cable right now and have nearly 200 channels of wich i watch 7 (history,TLC,Discovery,Space,MTV(rarely)MUCHMUSIC(also rare)SPEED,SPIKE(old TNN)and a few shows on the lower channels)
I occasionaly stop on MSNBC and CNN if I want entertainment news headlines, then i'll head over the BBC world news and see if anything is "really" happening.
as for Michael Moore, He is a definatly genious movie director,thats right I said genious,and I also said MOVIE as in ENTERTAINMENT do I believe that everything he has shown or said is the TRUTH Absolutely not. He Spins the Truths to say what it is he wishes to say. as for unbiased objective Documentarian, well I'd say he fall's short but what do I know? I would also hazard a guess that if you were to ask every american about wheather or not they 100% believe what Mike Moore says is true, that at the least the number that said yes would equal if not exceed the population of canada, think about that a second, the United States at this moment has what 293 Million persons? vs 32 Million Canadian. only 11% of your population needs to think that Bush is an Idiot and that Micheal Moore is a saint. not a big number eh. anyways big long diatribe, bleh back to whining about not being able to fly.